Ali Gomaa is the statue-hatin', wife-beatin', Hizballah-supportin', Muhammad's-urine-drinkin' Mufti of Egypt, who some time ago denied reports that he had rejected the traditional Islamic death sentence for apostates. The delirious Dinesh D'Souza has praised him as a "traditional Muslim" with whom American conservatives should cultivate an alliance.
And now Ali Gomaa's poor little feelings are hurt. "This proposal...is not considered just an attack on freedom of beliefs, but also an attempt to insult the feelings of the Muslim community in and outside Switzerland."
"Egypt mufti says Swiss minaret ban insults Muslims," from AFP, November 29 (thanks to Maxwell):
CAIRO -- Egypt's Mufti Ali Gomaa denounced a vote to ban new minarets in Switzerland on Sunday as an "insult" to Muslims across the world, while calling on Muslims not to be provoked by the move.A solid majority of Swiss voters chose in a referendum to ban the construction of new minarets, the towers attached to mosques from which the call to prayers is announced.
"This proposal...is not considered just an attack on freedom of beliefs, but also an attempt to insult the feelings of the Muslim community in and outside Switzerland," Gomaa, the Egyptian government's official interpreter of Islamic law, told the state-run news agency MENA.
He encouraged Switzerland's 400,000-strong Muslim community to use "dialogue" and legal means to contest the ban, which he described as "provocative behaviour."
The rightist Swiss People's Party (SVP) -- Switzerland's biggest party -- had forced the referendum after collecting a mandatory 100,000 signatures from eligible voters within 18 months.
Gomaa also called on Muslims not to be affected "by this provocation," adding that Islam "considers humanity a single family."
Provocation.
Like the world needs more phallic symbols.
tanstaafl: agreed. Tear down all those church steeples too.
Also the Washington Monument.
All I can say or rather make the noise of HAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAH
Finally someone got it right
Gomaa considers all of humanity a single family, except for the Zionist dogs, the Crusaders, the idolators, the unbelievers and those who don't tipple camel piss.
Insult Muslims! Insult, ridicule and mock Muslims as much as you like and as much as Jews and Christians get insulted and mocked.
Oh, and Brava Switzerland! I'm so proud of you! You did great! Good God - that many Mohammedans in Suisse? Horrifying.
No more minarets dominating the beautiful landscape! C'est fantastique!
Having lived near 2 mosques, I can tell you that minarets, or more to the point, what they broadcast, are an annoyance at best and a true provocation much of the time.
I can't blame them for passing this law. There is something very creepy about being woken up by the call to prayer.
A solid majority of Swiss voters chose in a referendum to ban the construction of new minarets, the towers attached to mosques from which the call to prayers is announced.
Tiny Switzerland has shown the free world the way.
Will we be brave enough to follow?
Hopefully the rest of Europe will follow.
Can you imagine the mass-riotings from the "religion of peace?" That's why Gomaa has put the word out that Mohammedans not react to this ban - before the bloodbaths begin.
This minaret-ban is such a step in the right direction it's not funny.
What about all those Christians in muslim countries who are persecuted, murdered by maniacal muslim mobs, their homes, churches, and shops burned to the ground? Should they and their fellow Christians around the world be "insulted"? What good would it do? What good would it do to tell the despicable, slimy Saudis to mind their own damn business and keep their radical imams and citizens out of our infidel country, where they flock to attend our universities because they are too lazy, stupid, and islamic to build decent schools in their own country. Yeah, they're far, far superior to Jews and Christians, those amazing Saudis. That must be why they forbid religious freedom in the KSA but demand it in the U.S. and Europe. I will never understand why we tolerate those primitive hypocrites.
Muslims should be thankful they are still allowed to migrate to non-islamic countries considering the security threats they pose, not to mention the endless problems they create with incessant, outrageous demands and fraudulent accusations against their host nations. The indigenous Christians in the Middle East, who were there long before the cursed advent of islam and the first crazed muslim, are treated like second-class (or worse) citizens but muslims want to invade our countries and impose their vile culture, religion, and political system on us. This is a welcome set-back for islamic imperialism and I don't think less of the Swiss people, I applaud them!
So the poor Moslems' feelings are being hurt. What feelings? The ones they demonstrate when they celebrate in the streets whenever one of their cult-brothers murders a group of non-believers? Or maybe the ones they show when they murder an apostate? Or is it the ones they illustrate when they stone a woman whom their cult-brothers have raped?
Whenever I hear Muslims make political statements it reminds me of this scene in The Fly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePryCpQBrX4
"This proposal...is not considered just an attack on freedom of beliefs, but also an attempt to insult the feelings of the Muslim community in and outside Switzerland..."
Islam does not believe in freedom of beliefs, but only that everyone in the world should be a slave of allah or live under the yoke of Islam. Islam insults itself every single day with its actions of killing, murder, rape, and the denigration of all who are not Muslim.
The Swiss have spoken and good for them. It is an indication that more and more people are beginning to sit up and take notice of the threat that Islam poses inside their cultures.
You mean, the "insect politics" of the Mohammedans?
Let me just congratulate Switzerland again for their strong stance of anti-Dhimmitude! Felicitations!
All minarets worldwide should be targets of pinpoint aerial attack by a single bomb of no more power than is necessary to take the minaret out. And while this project would likely take many years to complete it would take a great toll on Muslims who would end up constantly wondering which minaret would be the next to go. And they could even film them sort of like the grainy video of the bomb going through the window of a targeted building. And then post them on youtube with musical accompaniment.
"This proposal...[is]an attempt to insult the feelings of the Muslim community in and outside Switzerland..."
What kind of thinking is that? Boo hoo, you tried to hurt my feelings. Oh and the Muslims are just so precious, their tender little feelings are just so fragile. It is freaking crazy how on the one hand they claim to be the champions of the world conquering the entire world for Allah and killing all those who get in their way but then they fall apart in a puddle of tears at someone hurting their precious feelings. These people are just too much drama, it isn't worth dealing with them, end all Muslim expansion in the West, no good can come of it.
"Whaaaaaah! Stop it! You hurt my feelings!" - Muhammed
Switzerland's "400,000" Muslims should leave in protest to this "attack on their dignity." If that happens, look for the rest of Europe to pass similar measures. Well, it's fun to dream....
...they're far, far superior to Jews and Christians, those amazing Saudis. That must be why they forbid religious freedom in the KSA but demand it in the U.S. and Europe. I will never understand why we tolerate those primitive hypocrites.
It's our government which tolerates them, because their duplicitous arses are sitting on a quarter of the worlds petroleum reserves, and they've been allowed to buy hundreds of billions of dollars worth of western assets and securities. That's probably the elephant in the living room in regard to all the obfuscation that's happened since 9/11. "Of course we don't condone gratuitous violence, but you must give islam a fair hearing in your country, and allow us to fund study centers on your college campuses, and allow us to fund mosques in your cities, and allow immigration from muslim lands, and ensure favorable litigation for islamic groups. Otherwise, we might have to rethink the favorable terms we give you for oil contracts."
We are economically joined at the hip to a government whose subjects want desperately to cut our heads off (several of which already managed to fly airliners into our buildings). Can we really expect a realistic response to the global jihad under the circumstances?
Totally Islamophobic, that's my opinion that I talked about on the forum on http://www.ourislamic.com .
In a statement 'til now underrated,
Prime Minister Erdogan stated
That he sees minarets
As Islam's bayonets,
And that's why the Swiss ban is dictated.
Europe's in Switzerland's debt
For voting for no minaret.
Now Swiss ministers say
There will be hell to pay
Because it'll get Muslims upset.
Good for the Swiss!
Until there is true religious freedom in all Muslim dominated countries, Islam needs to be restricted just like other beliefs are in SA and its ilk.
Now to eliminate Muslim arrogance and their self imposed mandate to rule the world.
Hmm - I wonder whether I should create a file entitled 'Minaret Rage' to go with the ones I've already got, labelled 'Cartoon Rage' and 'Pope Rage'?
Then there is, of course, the other fascinating file, labelled "Religion of Perpetual Outrage". That's getting pretty fat by now.
Because *everything* non-Islamic insults Muslims.
*I* insult all Muslims everywhere just by sitting here with my hair uncovered, wearing my little wooden cross pendant, and breathing-while-Infidel.
Time to revisit a few classics from the collection.
Mr Fitzgerald's marvellously sarcastic '95 Things that Fuel Muslim Extremism':
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2006/10/fitzgerald-95-things-that-fuel-muslim-extremism.html
Apostate Abul Kasem's hilarious online essay - "When Is Islam Oppressed?" -
http://www.islam-watch.org/AbulKasem/IslamOppressed.htm
A couple of choice excerpts:
"Below, I have listed a few innocuous activities, manners, social customs, traditions and the daily way of life, which the Kafirs blithely take for granted but which are extremely un-Islamic.
According to Islamic morals, customs and laws, these offensive activities/practices might be construed as oppressive to Islam and, therefore, they are legitimate targets for eradication, or they must be replaced by Islamic practices or Islamic purification."...
and
"Here is how Islam is oppressed by the unbelievers:
"The infidels do not submit to Allah despite repeated warnings to them. This is the highest form [of] rebellion by the Kafirs and an extreme type of oppression to Islam.
"The infidel women go to swim in the beaches wearing bikini. Allah is greatly offended by such outrageous conduct of infidel women." Etc.
And finally - the truly extraordinary List of Things That Offend Muslims:
http://amboytimes.typepad.com/the_amboy_times/2007/02/the_list_of_thi.html
Church steeples belong in European countries, minarets and mosques do not.
Of course Europeans are 'Islamophobic' - whatever that's supposed to mean. Ordinary Europeans did not ask for Muslims en masse or consent to the importation of millions of Muslims into their societies. Muslims would never consent to or tolerate millions of Europeans invading their countries and bringing alien customs, beliefs and values with them - so please tell us, why should Europeans?
Muslims in Europe have rioted over perceived 'insults to Islam', done damage to property costing out millions of dollars and driven up crime in every country where they have settled. Muslim behaviour is a byword for arrogance (one wonders why..) and intolerance, why would Muslims be welcome anywhere outside the Islamic world?
Thank you for your canned and repetitive response. If you have anything of substance to state, state it here.
Here in the MIddle East, we Catholics have been allowed to build one Church only but FORBID US TO PUT UP CROSS ON TOP OF THE CHURCH. We are not even allowed to have bells in it. We've never humiliated Muslims like this.
Mufti Ali Gomaa(aka: "Piss Boy")is giving us advice on Muslim feelings. This is so touching.
"Swiss say No to Bayonets of Islam"
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2009/11/switzerland-says-no-to-bayonets-of.html#readfurther
Gomaa also called on Muslims not to be affected "by this provocation," adding that Islam "considers humanity a single family."
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That's a very a very interesting statement that needs some pondering. Are we, the infidels, part of humanity of that "single family"? I've always been told that infidels have to be killed or subdued, we have to pay jaziyya, if we want to survive. And now as we don't want the symbols of Islamic supremacism in our midst, we're doomed. Fortunately Allh, the petty moon deity doesn't exist.
Does this mark the first wave of the turning of the tide?
I am delightfully taken aback by the avalanche of support for the Swiss in readers ' comments in mainline papers, including the Times! Europe must act to support the Swiss and not leave them in the lurch at this crucial moment.
The Swiss have chosen to do the right thing, knowing fully well they will earn the hostility of the powerful Islamic bloc and the opprobrium of the Leftist PC-rati. Now it is Europe's turn to stand firm behind the Swiss Guard! The European people are willing, but are their leaders able to discern the groundswell of democratic sentiment? Are they still capable of listening to the voice of commonsense of their own people?
That's customary islamic Taqqiya - leaves the Kafirs thoroughly confused. But the Muslims know exactly what he means. The word Humans or Innocents in Islamic code means the Momin - Muslims and never includes the Untermenschen Kuffar.
I've nearly finished reading Ali Sina's excellent book 'Understanding Muhammad'. Towards the end of the book he states that "Islam is not just a false belief but also a mental disorder. It is a disorder that reduces sane people into insane people."
This can be seen once again here with this mufti. In fact, anytime a mufti around the world opens his mouth expressing hatred for non-believers or women and anytime a Muslim mob runs a riot because they are "insulted" or their feelings are "hurt", Ali Sina's words continue to ring true.
""This proposal...is not considered just an attack on freedom of beliefs, but also an attempt to insult the feelings of the Muslim community in and outside Switzerland," Gomaa, the Egyptian government's official interpreter of Islamic law, told the state-run news agency MENA."
GOOD
There are many Muslim countries where Christian churches are not permitted to be built...In many Muslim countries Christian churches are actually being destroyed, Christian cemetaries are desecrated, the Christian people and other Non Muslims tormented, harrassed, evicted, tortured , raped, executed....Young Christian girls are kidnapped and forced to convert to Islam and marry Muslim men.
This is the future of those countries who allow Muslims to build minarets within eyesight of each other....It is why the Swiss do not want minarets to be built....maybe the Swiss can read the handwriting on the wall...
And after the occupations of Iraq, Afghanistan and "Palestine" are finally ended in the not-too-distant future, Muslims will be using this Swiss ban on minarets and other perceived slights to justify the religiously-motivated violence of tomorrow.
Chalk one up for the cause of freedom. Banning symbols (like minarets) of ideologies that would end freedom were they given the chance is the kind of move that does not set the cause of freedom back but rather preserves it. Of course, here in America the First Amendment would prevent such a ban under current judicial interpretation of the First and so the path for one free country in dealing with Islam may not always be the path another country can take.
But whatever path is taken, all free nations can engage in the unremitting discrediting of Islam which is a key factor as we move into an uncertain future with the preservation of liberty in the West a paramount concern. The bottom line should be a realization that Islam and real freedom are not compatible. After such a realiztion occurs, it's just a matter of working out the details to marginalize Islam in every Western country.
The dichotomy of his statements:
To Muslims: Islam has been attacked and insulted by this provocative act.
To non-Muslims: If anything bad happens don't blame me; I told them not to be affected.
What he doesn't explain is how a Muslim is not to allow himself to be affected by an act he clearly states is insulting to Islam. He knows full well what the obligation of Muslims is to insults and attacks. This means he is either a liar or an apostate.
Some people, liberals usually, argue that just because Muslim countries persecute Christians, does not mean that we should put restrictions on Islamic ideology and practice. In other words, we should not behave like barbarians, just because barbarians do.
This proposition, if allowed to go unchallenged, means that Muslims can demand tolerance in Western countries, but when they become the majority, tolerance for non-Muslims ceases, becomes acceptable behaviour for Muslims and Islam.
Given the very high demographic rate of Muslims, this virtually ensures the death of civilisation, and replacement by Islam, or the replacement of civilisation with barbarism.
To deny Mahoundians their phallic minaret is similar to denying a 60 year old sex fiend his Viagra.
'The Religion of Limp'...
Banning the minaret is a huge turn off for Mahoundians...It emasculates Islam, and turns Mahoundians into 'girly men'...This 'limp impotence' is caused by kufr...
So Ali Gomaa is right, it does hurt the feelings of Mahoundian men who think of themselves as sexual giants...
This calls for jihad...no kufr is going to take away Mahoundian Viagra, turning them into 'girly men' and get away with it...
"Forced Islamization of Christian Conscripts in the Egyptian Army"
http://www.coptsunited.com/Details.php?I=21&A=183
Chruch bells peeling out Christmas carols in Switzerland is more in line with Swiss tradition than the calls to Islamic prayer. And as far as phallic symbols like the Washington monument...it was built in honor of George Washington, who led the country to independence and then became its first President. The Monument is shaped like an Egyptian obelisk, yes, a phalli symbol, but it represents freedom from tyranny. The minarets are representations of the opposite.
I am with the Swiss and I hope it spreads to other countries...ours soon, as well.
How about a new petition to remove all minarets?
you can expect these outburst from the pious muslims, seems
they forget about the minority Christians, Jews,Hindu, Buddists who get killed while just living in muslim lands.
In a way, "hurt feelings" are at the very origin of Islam. Mohammed at first presented himself to the extensive Jewish population in the Mecca area as a new Hebrew prophet, the new Moses, and expected to be accepted as such. But they rejected him, and ridiculed him. They "hurt his feelings". Hence his, and Islam's, undying hatred for the Jews.
Thanks and salute to you, Swiss!! Hope this is the beginning of the domino effect. Kafirs say Allah is greatest and may Allah continue to pray for the peace of the tormented Mu ham mad.
Thanks and salute to you, Swiss!! Hope this is the beginning of the domino effect. Kafirs say Allah is greatest.
Pro 27:14 He who blesses his friend with a loud voice early in the morning, It will be reckoned a curse to him.
An excellent result - well done Switzerland ! Of course it is reported on the news that the SVP are "extreme right wing" . The idiots don't see that by making this sort of statement they are in fact saying that 57% of the Swiss are "extreme right wing" and a lot of the Swiss will take this as an insult.This includes the huge amount of women who voted against the Phallic Symbol of Islum. The other noteworthy fact is that the incumbent government said that this initiative would be rejected by 53% of the voters. How wrong can you be ! It also goes to show how out of touch the ruling elite in that country and many others are. Now we will have the backlash from the Mools. First claiming victimhood, Islamophobia etc etc. Then vieled threats, then marches all over Europe, backed by the Left. Then actual physical action. Then of course, boycotts of Swiss goods and services. On the other hand, if what I predicted comes to pass then this will confirm to a lot of the Europeans just what a threat Islum is. Sorry to spoil the party and I am as happy as anyone else on this site about this momentous event
Minarets in non-Muslim countries, like all Islamic symbols, are expressions of utter contempt for the surrounding society. Minarets are a deliberate "in-your-face" insult to us personally, to our families, to our history, and to our national heritage.
Minarets in non-Muslim countries are also a clear and hightly visible (and audible) threat, and a sure promise, that the local Muslims, with help from the international Islamic conspiracy (the Ummah), plan on subjugating us under their draconian 7th century law, which is based on piracy and murderous bigotry.
Slaves of Allah do not belong in the free world. They come to our territory only to impose their phenominally wretched form of slavery on our population. Our forbears fought long and hard to end slavery forever. The Muslims come now determined to re-impose it. Minarets advertise this perverted and ugly quest.
The Swiss are banning minarets for the exact reason that they like freedom of belief.
"If you build them (mosques), they (Muslims) will come."
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The first step in eradicating the unworthy immigrant is removing his base of operations.
The disallowance of the minaret is the initial job in such a dismantling.
The Suisse should brace themselves, for the Mohammedans will see this move as nothing less.
Muslims love this kind of opposition. It gives them an excuse to blow things up. And if you let them have their way they kill you anyway eventually. Even if you become a Muslim. Muslims kill more Muslims than anyone else. So go get 'em Switzerland, you fight 'em they blow things up, you dont fight 'em they blow things up. Might as well fight 'em.
We are economically joined at the hip to a government whose subjects want desperately to cut our heads off (several of which already managed to fly airliners into our buildings). Can we really expect a realistic response to the global jihad under the circumstances?
That's probably the elephant in the living room in regard to all the obfuscation that's happened since 9/11.
This poster thinks economics -- i.e., that Esdrujula Elf of Hugh's named Cupidity -- is the primary explanation for why America (and the entire West) remains largely -- one brave but postage-stamp-sized country (and let us not forget only with regard to one tiny cheese wedge of the massive problem) notwithstanding -- irrationally deferential in the face of Muslims. But a simple imaginative exercise of the intellect will reveal the fundamental flaw with this explanation: Imagine that Saudi Arabia were a racist white country like -- no, to make the analogy appropriate it would have to be much, much worse than -- that evil white Apartheid regime of South Africa that the entire West by the 1980s, when PC MC had kicked into full mainstream dominance, had condemned and in effect forced out of existence. In that case, there would be no question what would happen: the pressure of PC MC from all quarters -- popular culture, the arts, Academe, the news media, and the majority of representative politicians in all Western democratic polities -- would gang up on Saudi Arabia and force it to comply with our demands.
Or, employing a more elementary exercise of reason: good people, as the vast majority in the West are including our dastardly "Elites" would not countenance evil -- which Saudi Arabia assuredly is -- for money. To accuse the vast majority of our representatives and our businessmen in the West of such a monstrous charge bespeaks a strange Gnostic alienation in the accuser. It might explain a tiny minority among our representatives and businessmen-- the exception, but not the rule.
No, Cupidity does not explain this massive irrationality throughout the West. Nor do any of the other idiotic Idities.
dumbledoresarmy quoted Abul Kasem:
"The infidels do not submit to Allah despite repeated warnings to them. This is the highest form [of] rebellion by the Kafirs and an extreme type of oppression to Islam."
Three things to add to fully explicate what is being said there:
1) This refusal by Infidels to submit to Allah subsists for the majority by simply choosing to continue to live as non-Muslims, not as a demonstration of outright rejection of, much less disdain or contempt for, Islam (since PC MC, I contend, remains the norm among the majority of ordinary people throughout the West)
2) This non-compliance, among Infidels, with the demands of submission to Allah has become that much more egregious, insulting and offensive to Muslims in the last 200 years with the stupendously spectacular rise to global ascendancy and influence of the West, with America at the vanguard, on all levels -- economic, geopolitical, and pop cultural
3) And finally, this non-compliance, among Infidels, with the demands of submission to Allah constitutes not only oppression, in the minds of Muslims, but also a capital offense -- a casus belli against which Muslims are obliged to "defend" Islam, with the bellum, particularly as Muslims have at least enough intelligence to perceive themselves as insufficiently strong to wage frontal military assault on us, being pursued in a wonderfully diverse way short of frontal military assault.
Mick_n_NYC alluded to the "dichotomy of [Gomaa's] statements" -- namely:
To Muslims: Islam has been attacked and insulted by this provocative act.
To non-Muslims: If anything bad happens don't blame me; I told them not to be affected.
This hits the crucial nail on the head. This is a formal expression by a major Islamic religious leader of the plausible deniability that will serve to keep intact the Good Cop / Bad Cop mechanism by which Muslims have been playing the PC MC-addled West for decades, and most outrageously post-911 and post-all-the-other-outrageous-behaviors-and-expressions-of-Muslims since 911. Gomaa's formal message simultaneously
1) telegraphs to Muslims a reminder to wage tangential, not frontal, jihad through any means they might like -- mass protests, violent riots, death threats, killing Infidels at random
2) communicates to the non-Muslim West that the majority of decent international-law-abiding Muslims like himself remain absolved of the actions of a few "extremists" who might misconstrue his words.
It is acutely apposite to note that this plausible deniability that will serve to keep intact the Good Cop / Bad Cop mechanism only works to the extent that the West remains specially stupid -- and Gomaa is counting on that. And who can blame him?
The people have spoken.
F R E E D O M !!!
"mufti says Swiss minaret ban insults Muslims"
My response to this mufti is, so what! Everything insults Muslims. Even Muslims insult Muslims. How can anyone NOT insult a Muslim and go on living is the real question.
Uh huh ...
A single wildly dysfunctional family, of which mohammedanism considers itself to be the daddy.
To accuse the vast majority of our representatives and our businessmen in the West of such a monstrous charge bespeaks a strange Gnostic alienation in the accuser.
First of all thanks for responding to my plebeian comments, in spite of my gnostic alienation (googling for support groups). I too shrink from the idea of duplicity on such a massive scale and its implications for the character of the political and business communities in the west. The alternative, though, is to accept the idea that, among the most powerful and educated people western civilization can produce, there is not enough knowledge of history or deductive reasoning to know perfectly well the tenets of the koran are driving the global jihad. I don't see how questioning their intellect is so much less objectionable than questioning their integrity.
a simple imaginative exercise of the intellect will reveal the fundamental flaw with this explanation: Imagine that Saudi Arabia were a racist white country...the pressure of PC MC from all quarters -- popular culture, the arts, Academe, the news media...would gang up on Saudi Arabia and force it to comply with our demands.
So reverse discrimination is so rampant among our decision makers that they are countenancing islamic evil because the perps are non-white? How would is that a less stinging charge than that of greed or economic expedience?
I will do my best to find Hugh's Cupidity piece and grasp the Esdrujula Elf reference. In the meantime, I see no reason to dismiss economics as a major, underlying raison d'être of the cognitive dissonance and intentional disinformation being proffered on behalf of islam by western government and media outlets.
Its you Christians who are attacking Muslim countries left and right, Its you Christians who destroyed thousands of Masques in Bosnia, Iraq, Afghanistan and killed millions of innocent people, and you are talking about Morality. Good Job.
Attorney
Moremony
I think the best thing that could happen would be an attack by Muslims in response to the Swiss majority voting no on minarets in their homeland. It would certainly reinforce what everybody is talking about regarding the subject.
Go ahead you guys, do your damnedest. Reaffirm what Robert has been saying here for years. Then let the response to such an attack be swift and without any consideration for Muslim sensibilities. If you want to live by the sword you will certainly die by it; I'm sure the Swiss will be happy to assist.
Moremony: Don't tempt us.
gozan,
"The alternative, though, is to accept the idea that, among the most powerful and educated people western civilization can produce, there is not enough knowledge of history or deductive reasoning to know perfectly well the tenets of the koran are driving the global jihad. I don't see how questioning their intellect is so much less objectionable than questioning their integrity."
It's not much less objectionable -- that's why I also reject another of Hugh's Esdrujula Elves, Stupidity. While it often helps to relieve our frustration to call PC MC people "stupid" and "idiots", it doesn't really explain the phenomenon, since there are hundreds of thousands of reasonably intelligent and educated people among them -- some of them quite intelligent, in fact.
"So reverse discrimination is so rampant among our decision makers that they are countenancing islamic evil because the perps are non-white? How would is that a less stinging charge than that of greed or economic expedience?"
We have to explain the phenomenon by doing all its features justice. The explanation that comes closest to doing so can accomodate a rampant reverse racism. Here are the features of the phenomenon:
1) The vast majority of Westerners -- including the vast majority of our "Elites" -- are good decent people (obviously not without the usual flaws that all humans are prone to).
2) The vast majority, or at least the majority, are ignoring the problem of Islam.
3) Being good decent people, they wouldn't ignore such a major evil, such a major system of injustice, and such a major danger if they allowed themselves to know the facts.
4) Thus, if they knew the facts, they wouldn't opt for greed or economic considerations over such a major evil/injustice/danger.
5) The facts are out there and available, and being communicated by a tiny minority of people.
6) The vast majority, or at least the majority, refuse to listen, and instead respond whenever the facts come up, with tendencies to whitewash Islam.
Now what? How can we explain this strange phenomenon?
We can't explain it by recourse to any theory that assumes that the vast majority, or at least the majority, actually knows the evil/injustice/danger of Islam, but is for lesser reasons ignoring what they know.
Nor can we explain it by some theory that asserts that the facts are not getting through.
Nor can we explain it by saying they don't know -- because the facts are available and out there, and most Westerners aren't slobbering retards who can't do a little research.
The only explanation left has to be that the facts are becoming communicated -- but there must be some complex filter in the way: a paradigm by which facts are re-routed from their normal effects.
The only alternative explanation that does justice to all these features of the phenomenon must develop an explanation that describes the paradox of an intelligent stupidity.
The way this intelligent stupidity becomes dominant and mainstream is by a worldview or paradigm that incorporates many good things -- liberal values: a rejection of xenophobia, open-mindedness, tolerance, transcending tribalism, cultivating universalism, eschewing bigotry and racism; etc. And this paradigm absorbs the facts of Muslims, but runs those facts through a process that whitewashes them. I have analyzed this process in dozens of essays on my blog. It is very complex and there are many ways by which the apparently damnable facts of Muslims can be finessed such that Islam and most Muslims come out smelling like a rose -- relegating all the negativity to that "tiny minority of extremists".
Part of this worldview that develops these values involves an irrational excess: Valuing tolerance so much, shying away so much from bigotry against non-whites, that we bend over backwards and go overboard when suddenly on the radar comes this worldwide culture of Brown People, the Muslims, who are being accused of so many bad things. The good liberal values are taken to irrational excess -- we are so afraid of being "bigoted" and "racist", we don't want to go down the road of accusing so many Brown People of bad things, and we dig in our heels stubbornly, even when the evidence starts mounting up that yes, this Third World culture, Islam, is bad, unjust and dangerous, and we'll just have to accuse all these Brown People of bad things -- even if that breaks the code of our PC MC script by which only White People can be guilty of systemic evil -- that is, if we want to protect ourselves from their dangerous supremacism.
It is better to STOP NOW......
BAN THAT DAM MINARETS THING before it...
is to late...
The mohammmdan muslims try to
create problems where ever they
go....even the Prince of Hell
having problems with the mohammadan
muslims....in Hell..
Yes, that is funny. Even in Hell, Satan himself, and Muhammad are at this point sick and tired of all the whining and complaining about where all the virgins are and the rivers of wine and whatever other debaucheries the jihadists thought they would be getting in payment for their hateful and evil acts on earth.
My heartfelt congratulations to all Swiss people.
Passing of this ban required courage and you all showed courage.
Now.........please, please, don't go back on this and allow your legislators to pass a law invalidating this ban on minarets.
Show your 'leaders' that you mean business and you will not allow minarets regardless of any laws they pass to overrule the wishes of the Swiss people.
If anyone (including any muslims) complains of your being non-secular, tell them:
'As soon as muslim-majority countries show their secular nature, we shall allow minarets in our country".
God Bless.
“The most painful for us is not the minaret ban, but the symbol sent by this vote. Muslims do not feel accepted as a religious community,” said Farhad Afshar, who heads the Coordination of Islamic Organisations in Switzerland.
Mr Afshar should be told what one blogger said here:
If you feel traumatised in any way by this ban, please feel free to leave Switzerland anytime you want ;)
Why did the Swiss ban the building of more minarets?.....
Well, aside from the atheistics (that is, minarets,are designed for flat open spaces, like a desert. Perhaps speeches, like the following, had something to do with it....
"The domes are our helmets, the minarets our bayonets,the mosques our barracks and the believers our soldiers."---Prime Minister Erdogan of Turkey
Oophs! The prime minister forget his "Al Taqiyya" ("deception") lessons!
Why do millions of Muslims insist on living in the countries of people they regard as enemies? Why do Muslims insist on living in countries where they will be forever foreign to the mores and values of the majority? The answer is obvious - they regard Western countries as a soft touch, with our generous welfare laws, religious tolerance and freedom of speech, we are perfect targets for infiltration by primitive invaders who believe in none of those concepts. Muslims have caused nothing but trouble and social upheaval in every country where they have been allowed to settle - Europe, the UK, Canada, Australia, there is not one country where Muslims have behaved like civilised human beings.
You don't even behave like civilised human beings in your own countries, so it never ceases to amaze me that stupid Muslim apologists believe you could change when you come to Western countries. Good thing that not all Western people are as gullible as you would like. Banning minarets offends you? Good. The fact that minarets and mosques are allowed to be built in our countries offends me - and millions like me.
My own thoughts have been pretty well expressed by most of the posters already - YEA to the Swiss! and may their will prevail (their leftist gov't notwithstanding). I hope & pray, however - contrary to a few dare-devils with a sort of "bring-it-on" attitude - that Musselmen do NOT try to retaliate by violence in peaceful Switzerland. There will undoubtedly be the usual "o woe is me!" moaning & groaing from the "hurt Muslim feelings" crowd, but let it end at that. I think a docile reaction (am I dreaming?) on the part of the Muslim communities might ENCOURAGE similar action on the part of European communities in other parts of the Continent - i.e., put limits on Islamic expansion in their respective communities. Minarets, as already mentioned, are particularly egregious symbols of an unwelcome Islamic community: In particular, those five daily calls to prayer constitute, IMO, true "noise pollution!"
While showing admirable spirit, my guess is that the Swiss will fold after Muslim depositors threaten to withdraw their money from their Swiss bank accounts unless this vote is overturned. Remember, the Swiss bankers are the same people who funded Hitler. Bets anyone?