European Court of Human Rights bans crucifixes in classrooms in Italy

I would support this as long as they also ban the moslema headscarf and variations. No crosses, no bank robbing outfits either. Fair?

"The case was brought by an Italian mother, Soile Lautsi, who wants to give her children a secular education." Actually the woman is Finnish and a naturalized Italian citizen. It's a great thing that one can insert themselves into your home and then set about changing the furniture to suit themselves.

Banning the hijab or burka as well? Probably not.
We have double standards to maintain.

Human Rights?
Is a cross on the wall actually hurting anyone?
I love my holidays in Italy and I can't imagine it without it's Catholic identity. I am not Catholic myself but ITS ITALY for heavens sake! It is a big part of their identity.

This is not a religious matter but a cultural one, as that famously anti-clerical Oriana Fallaci, who famously never cared for Catholicism or the Vatican until she realized that European civilization was under assault from Islam, and recognized the need for such allies, understood. Italy should ignore the E.U. ruling. Just ignore it. End of story.

As long as religion isn't being taught in the classroom that mother had no case. This is world government in action. Get rid of the UN while we still have time.

On the same lousy day (why does November already seem to last forever?), the Lisbon Treaty finally passed, surrendering more suvereignty to the bureaucrats in Brussels, further dismantling our nation-states and diluting our constitutions.

Apart from this, we have Islam to deal with, too...

Any outrage against Christians is allowed and even encouraged with no reaction from the faithful tolerated. Any slight no matter how contrived or manufactured against the islamist scum results in riots and cowering by western countries. To hell with islam and all who follow it.

Not quite a done deal, but the biatch is richer for her bitching..

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European Court of Human Rights - A made up court judging made up cases in a made up government.

I'm with Hugh. Just ignore them Italy...and, ok, feel free to giggle at little at these small self important blowhards.

The EU is a monster which no-one except the treacherous politicians actually want. Every sovereign Nation State in Europe is being destroyed bit by bit.

fairness is Un-Islamic.

Crucifixes are bad, but Anjem Choudary calling for Buckingham Palace to be placed under shari'ah is just dandy to the self-hating, anti-Christian European elites.

Isn't the European Union wonderful? Countries are not longer countries, but quaint ethnic amusement parks run for the benefit of all by those far seeing guardians in Brussels and Strasbourg. Germans, Italians, and so many others, without their knowledge, have given up their respective nation-states in exchange for the supranational identity of European. The old national legislative bodies still go through the motions of representing their people, even as more and more of their enactments are pro forma or subject to challenge by distant authorities at the Hague, Strasbourg, or Brussels. Europe is becoming a decrepit empire that bullies its own subjects, while cowering before those who would endanger it from within and without. It is the crypt for a dying civilization.

At the start of this new school I put up 3 small
posters up in the back of my public school class room.
One was a red cross on a white background the other
was a poster of the Knights Templar and the third was
a poster of the Israeli flag. So far its been 11 weeks
and they are still there.

This Lautsi woman is a fool, a useful idiot. And I'd bet a case of Peroni beer that she wouldn't publicly object to anything Muslims in Italy might want in the national school system related to their faith.

From Brian Boru's article:

Mariastella Gelmini, the Italian Minister for Education, said that the ruling was "an offence against our traditions. The presence of a crucifix in the classroom does not signify adherence to Roman Catholicism, it is a a traditional symbol. In our country nobody wants to impose the Catholic religion, let alone with a crucifix. But no-one can cancel out our identity."

But that's what Islam is all about, sweetheart.

Censorship = Political correctness

It's really a shame that the unelected, elitist despots in the EU managed to shove the Lisbon Treaty down the throats of Europeans. Now it will only get worse. I've been hoping for a revolution in Europe to dissolve the EU but it keeps getting bigger and more undemocratic. I see some more "one size fits all" edicts coming from those omnipotent elites in Brussels, sure to please very "European" citizen. I kind of liked it when England was England, Germany was Germany, etc.

They even sent Ms. Merkel to the U.S. to encourage our despicable Congress to cooperate with the E.U. on the climate change treaty; nothing like a little gentle pressure from the ultra-sophisticated Europeans to pressure the U.S. to engage in the biggest scam in the history of mankind, perfectly timed with the imminent vote on their economy-crippling, impoverishing cap and trade bill. One thing the Europeans are still very good at is mind-bending propaganda but not to worry, Obama has the NEA working on his campaign to brainwash the masses and I'm sure the messiah won't be outdone.

Ive been watching the Italian television -- the RAI. Everyone in Italy, of every political persuasion, is flabbergasted and outraged. There is no chance that Italy, or more importantly, Italians, will accept being dictated to by the E.U. Court. It has, like so many other organizations -- the U.N. with its atrocious Goldstone Report and the nonsense of its Human Rights Council or Committee or Commission or whatever the hell it is called, the blob or thingamagob that meets in Geneva -- been so outrageous that it has finally crossed some kind of line. How and why not just the U.N., but so many organizations said to represent something, a non-existent something, called "the internastional community," and how and why all of those so-called human rights groups -- from Amnesty under Irene Khan, who blandly denies that the mistreatment of women in Islam has anything to do with Islam, to Human Rights Watch, with its full-time denunciators of Israel that include such people as Joe Stark (whom google) and the inimitable Gerlasco, the man who is an obsessive collector of Nazi memorabilia, himself possessing thousands upon thousands of pieces of stuff from the Third Reich -- quite a hobby for someone fascinated by the
"crimes" of Israel he is so intent on smoothly fabricating, to others of that dismal ilk. What happened to those who were neither antisemites nor defenders of Islam, the people who founded these organizations, only to discover that usurpers took them over, and proceeded to distort and twist and vitiate their original purpose.

"I kind of liked it when England was England, Germany was Germany, etc." - SusanP

Oh yes. The Muslim invasion, which the Europeans allowed to happen, is ruining and destroying their individual charming cultures. They're going to be very, very very, very very very, sorry, in about 20 years.

That Melanie Phillips was inspired to write a book called "Londonistan" is a crying shame. It should never have occurred to her, which would mean that England was still England. But, it's not.

Actually, Italy has a rather vibrant tradition going back over 150 years of anti-clericalism and practically speaking anti-Catholicism, among even many rural villagers, not just urban intellectuals. This is part of the strength of modernity, when you compare it to its near impossibility in the Muslim world. Where it errs is not in its secularism per se, but in its multi-culturalism that would see no threat in Muslims because they are perceived to be an ethnic minority who must be protected at all costs from real, or rather mostly imagined, "bigotry" by the West.

I think Italy should consider rebelling against this imposition. The European Court of Human Rights has become absurdly intrusive into matters best left to member states. It blandly prevents the deportation of dangerous persons, while taking a strong stand against crucifixes. I wish the people in Strasbourg, who supposedly have a conservative majority, would enact legislation to restrict the jurisdiction of this runaway court.

Maybe the EU is right. If you want crucifixes, go to Saudi Arabia!

This frivolous EU court ruling against Italy's heritage should have no traction, and as Hugh said, simply ignored by Italy. On the other hand, the fact that such a ruling exists shows another fundamental weakness in how the EU is structured, and that should stimulate debate to lighten up on central control, especially by the EU Council, and give more autonomy for internal domestic affairs of the member states.

The cultural heritage of Italy is to be protected by Italians, and all nations, same as we strive to protect the cultural heritage of any people around the world, as much for Australia's Aboriginal cultures or American Indian cultures, or Inuit and Sarawak cultures, as for Europe's cultures. Europeans have a very rich cultural history, and it should not be up to some central imperial EU powers to begin erasing that rich culture from its history, or future, in the stealth mode to denigrate our personal rights of thought and beliefs. Each people has a right to its rich cultural history and heritage, including and especially the beautiful culture of Italy.

The Italians to the European Court (and Muslims)

What's-a matter you? Hey! Gotta no respect. What-a you t'ink you do? Why you look-a so sad? It's-a not so bad, it's-a nice-a place. Ah, shaddap-a you face!

Of course, this is no different from what courts in this country would rule.

(Back before the fall of the Soviet bloc, I remember reading that there were crucifixes in the classrooms in Polish schools, and thinking how bad it was that Communist countries were more receptive than the United States was to religious symbols in public buildings.)

Of course, this is no different from what courts in this country would rule.

(Back before the fall of the Soviet bloc, I remember reading that there were crucifixes in the classrooms in Polish schools, and thinking how bad it was that Communist countries were more receptive than the United States was to religious symbols in public buildings.)

According to Chandler (Shadow World), The Italian Marxist Antonio Gramsci (1930s) planted the concept with the EU Left that Christianity was the only institution blocking the road to Communist Utopia, since it had a firm hold on the worker class. Debunk Christianity -or more generally Judo-Christianity and destruction of the nuclear family - and the way will be open to the worker's paradise. Fits in perfectly with the EU plan for secularizing Europe, at least with respect to Judo-Christianity. The EU Elites are thus following Gramsci on the one hand and blindly following the Muslim Brotherhood on the other.

The Euro future may not be Big Brother (1984) in this scenario, but instead Big Caliph! Sharia anyone? And where will all the EU Elites go? To Obama's Gramsci-Sharia America? We are on two parallel trains to hell, the Euros are just ahead of us by a bit.