Fort Hood shooter frequented strip club

He had 72 Virgins on his mind.

Just as with the 9/11 terrorists, this makes me wonder if he *really* believed in the Koranic promise of the 72 beauties waiting for him. If he thought an eternity of sex with dozens of gorgeous women was just around the corner, why waste time going to a strip club?

Lets see in the club from 6:30 PM to 2:30 AM. That is a second home away from home, not just a "normal" visit to a strip club. Makes one wonder how many times he got on his knees to face Mecca in that time period.

I heard the girl from the club interviewed on the radio, her professional name is Page. She said he was a big tipper.

All joking aside, Hasan cleared a tidy salary for his position as an army psychiatrist. Considering all benefits he cleared well in excess of $100,000. The amount I have heard in a report was 6 figures.

He lived in a home that was described as a rat hole, that cost $350 a month and had no wife and no children. And other than dropping some good money on strippers, the question remains

Where did his money go????!!!

Like any good investigator I would follow the Money! You might well find others that shared his beliefs or another link to terrorism funding.

It's likely that the purpose of the visits to the strip clubs by Atta, Hasan, and the others was to strengthen their resolve to carry out their jihad-murders by giving them a foretaste of the delights they would soon enjoy in Paradise.

Robert; I heard you on the Michael Medved show yesterday and this was mentioned. Mike opined that maybe Hasan ~ and the 9-11-01 crew ~ went to strip clubs and engaged in "sinful" western behavior in order to create guilt that could only be forgiven by a bloody act of jihad. Could be.

I think, though, the takfir explanation is more likely: they live as westerners to throw off suspicions about their motives and actions. I believe Hasan "debauched" himself and sullied his "holiness", as it were, in the weeks prior to his attack in order to mislead anyone on his trail.

I recall that some of the 9/11 hijackers visited Western dens of iniquity as well and drank alcohol and watched porn.
As Robert points out, belief and jihad are the top two sacred obligations. Hell, Islamic paradise is a brothel.

"..but mostly he wanted to ask us questions."

See, you cynics, like his contact with al-Qaeda, purely for research purposes...

off the point but informative reading for this site

Indymedia, a site much like a liberal form of the Drudge Report, received a subpoena from the Justice Dept demanding all the IP addresses, identities, addresses, social security numbers etc for all persons that visited the Indymedia site on a particular day. the DOJ did not provide any other information to support the overly broad subpoena and when faced by Indymedia's refusal to cooperate with the fishing expedition, the DOJ dropped the subpoena.

This is to the point for a site such as Jihad Watch, which may not views expressed in the commentary and postings that are not in concurrence with or may be in opposition to administration policy. It is quite clear that the current administration is expanding the collection of electronic data. Indymedia's advice on the subject is that sites should not collect and store unnecessary IP logs and collect other data.

see the link here for this discussion and copies of the subpoenas, this should be mandatory reading for Robert and others that run this site.

http://www.eff.org/wp/anatomy-bogus-subpoena-indymedia

This story is indicative of our cultural naivety in the West; we tend to look at everything non-Western in juvenile, absolutist terms. If Hasan went to a strip-club, then it goes that the entire edifice of the 'devout Muslim' motive crumbles? To believe so is childishly absurd.

It reminds me of those who claim to have good friendships with Muslims and that therefore, Islam is peace. If one had a German friend back in the 30s, would this somehow validate Nazism?

Meanwhile, Muslims themselves have picked up on this Western naivety. Many have become adept at sliding in and out of the cultural milieu of those around them...so that among Westerners, they come across as absolutely post-modern...but back at the mosque (or in the privacy of their own home), they rant like their fanatical brethren in Darul Islam.

"took only a few sips from one can"

Well, "only a few sips" of beer is quite enough to prove incontrovertibly that he was not a Muslim. Must have been a C.I.A. agent, asked to sacrifice himself in order to Wake Up America. Case closed.

Frequenting the strip club is not against Islam at all, in any way, unless the strippers are Muslim women. The Quran and Hadith permit the Muslim man to have sex not only with his four wives, but also with an unlimited number of "slave girls" or "right hand possessions" (4:3, 23:1-6, 4:24, 70:29-30; also see Muhammad's example, 33:50). The Hedaya (Hanafi fiqh) states that a Muslim man will not be punished even if he "commits whoredom" in the lands of the infidels (i.e., house of war, or the place where Islamic law is not implemented and where there is no treaty with Muslims).

It seems that the surprise about pious Muslims attending strip joints is a projection of Westerners onto Islam. Attending a strip joint is not at all impious for a Muslim male if the strippers are non-Muslims. It seems our media is assuming that the strands of puritanism and other moral objections to strip joints within our culture are also held by pious Muslims, when the basis for this assumption is lacking.

The alcohol, on the other hand, is forbidden, except if consuming it or appearing to consume it furthers the cause of Islam, i.e., deception in jihad.

Frequenting the strip club is not against Islam at all, in any way, unless the strippers are Muslim women. The Quran and Hadith permit the Muslim man to have sex not only with his four wives, but also with an unlimited number of "slave girls" or "right hand possessions" (4:3, 23:1-6, 4:24, 70:29-30; also see Muhammad's example, 33:50). The Hedaya (Hanafi fiqh) states that a Muslim man will not be punished even if he "commits whoredom" in the lands of the infidels (i.e., house of war, or the place where Islamic law is not implemented and where there is no treaty with Muslims).

It seems that the surprise about pious Muslims attending strip joints is a projection of Westerners onto Islam. Attending a strip joint is not at all impious for a Muslim male if the strippers are non-Muslims. It seems our media is assuming that the strands of puritanism and other moral objections to strip joints within our culture are also held by pious Muslims, when the basis for this assumption is lacking.

The alcohol, on the other hand, is forbidden, except if consuming it or appearing to consume it furthers the cause of Islam, i.e., deception in jihad.

sorry about the double post.

He only took a few sips, and probably didn't even swallow.

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A premeditating, mass-murdering, treasonous Islamic jihadist enroute to eternal kitty city would frequent a strip club solely for motivation:

INCITEMENT to follow-through on Allah's orders.

Hey AM, still awaiting an answer to my question, which I'll repeat just in case you missd it the last 7 or 8 times:

Abdullah Mikail, are you an advocate of child molestation as your 'Perfect Man', mohammed (Pedophile, misogynist, murderer, liar, maniac, thief, parasite etc) was?

Yes or no?

Slave; you're back. Ick.

I'm still calling you a liar for, among other things, claiming to be an Army boxer here and writing threats to kick my ass. As if.

So, your credibility sweeps you along to infamy, dirtbag.

if one's good deeds outweigh one's evil deeds, one will go to Paradise, but if one's evil deeds outweigh one's good deeds, one will go to hell.

Wait until he finds out mass murder isn't on the side of the scale he thought it was -- hopefully after he's brought to justice in a military court.

He must be a little miffed at Allah for letting him live.

Nice try, Abdullah. I believe as much as ever that Islam had everything to do with this attack.

And I'm engaging in some justifiable schadenfreude that his god hung him out to dry for all his trouble.

"...who have described him as a devout Muslim, and one who had difficulty finding a wife who would wear a head scarf and would pray five times a day."

Since when is this a problem?? It's not like Muslim men the world over are sweeping breathless young things off their feet with their Casanova-like women-slaying charm. Why didn't he just place an order for a cousin like the rest of them?? And if she turns out to be uppity and won't hijab-up, well, any Muslim man worth his salt knows how to deal with that (4:34).

Hmm - it just occurred to me that if Muslim men stock their harams, then some guys will be iced out of the game. Maybe that's what happened to the Major.

" More people need to learn what is and is not islam..."
posted above

That seems to be the purpose of this site and I think many people are learning what is and is not islam as a result....but that isn't exactly what you meant..is it?

I posted this the other day on a related thread, and will re-post it here since I believe it to be accurate, namely, that Nihal Hasan had conflicted sexuality issues that he could never reconcile with Islam other than expiating his sin through jihad. Stories of him visiting strip clubs further support my initial character assessment:

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I propose that Nidal Malik Hasan was a conflicted homosexual who undertook jihad to expiate his sin and gain grace with Allah in preparation for his attempt to enter Heaven.

Cases in point:

1. His profile: 39 year old, single, never married, childless "pious" Muslim male of Arab/Palestinian/Jordanian ancestry. Within a modern American cultural context, that wouldn't be too out of the ordinary, or at least most modern Americans wouldn't give much thought to a childless, unmarried 39-year old male. From a Muslim perspective, however, that status would be highly unusual and considered rather freakish. The pressure in Arab/Muslim communities is so great to get married - and the institutions to arrange marriages so well developed - that it is extremely bizarre for this guy to be childless, unmarried and 39 years old. This might be the case because:

A. He was for all intents and purposes an American, in terms of citizenship, culture and psychology. He was born and raised in the US after all so it would have been nearly impossible to totally divorce himself from the American culture he grew up in. Therefore getting through his 30s without being married or with children is totally possible from an American perspective. Either he did this because he was heterosexual and just wasn't into marriage, or didn't like the concept of children, or didn't get along well with women, didn't want to be tied down, or whatever. This issue is quite common with many heterosexual American men and could technically be disregarded.

B. What I think is much more likely, from a perspective which takes Islam into account, is that he had sexuality issues which were never surmounted during his life. According to reports, Nidal Malik Hasan was "pious" which on one hand meant that he should have been married and had children by now, but on the other hand he may have fundamentally not liked women, sexually, socially or otherwise. As a "pious" Muslim with advanced degrees and a good job, he would have been a very attractive catch, either for other pious American Muslim women or for an arranged marriage with a migrant woman from the Arab/Islamic world. Being married could have been taken care of in less than 30 minutes with a burqa wearing Islamic bride if he really wanted it. But he didn't, and that is very odd, hence my assertion that the guy probably was a homosexual, or at least had homosexual tendencies that he wasn't able to reconcile.

2. As you might know, sodomy and Islam officially don't mix. (Do they officially mix in any religion??) So if the guy was in fact homosexual, either in thought or deed, then this would have created a serious conflict within him. An interesting point about Islam and homosexuality:

A. While "sodomy" is banned in Islam and is considered one of the highest crimes, Islam requires four male witnesses to secure a conviction, therefore by default Islam often promotes homosexuality because of the this high number of witnesses required for a conviction of sodomy - and more importantly - the total gender segregation in Islamic societies which ultimately forces boys/men to have sex with other boys/men since women are simply unavailable (which is also the case in prison when women aren't available, i.e. the establishment of Islam is like forcing everyone to live in jail).

B. As an Islamic legal technicality, as long as you don't have four witnesses for a sex act, then you'll never officially get into trouble with Islamic authorities for the crime of sodomy, so many Muslim men participate in it because they have no access to women. Of course, Islamic authorities don't run America so this technically is a non-issue in this case; but this forced homosexuality does manifest itself VERY OFTEN within Islam-dominated cultures. I.e. guys are gay until they get married then they revert to heterosexual behavior, much like ancient Greece.

3. Important background information about getting into heaven in Islam:

A. Unlike Christianity, getting into heaven in Islam is not allowed because of one's faith in God or one's faith in the messenger Muhammad, but rather, because when you die you go up to heaven and the angels tally your good deeds and your bad deeds, and as long as your good deeds are just slightly higher than your bad deeds, then you get let in.

B. Merits and demerits are tracked by these angels in Islamic heaven almost as if the Muslim in question is living in a game show: Do one bad thing and you get X demerit points and do one good thing and you get Y merit points. I personally refer to this system of Islamic heaven deed tracking as "Islamic Religious Points".

C. Therefore, the ultimate goal of a Muslim is not necessarily to be completely good or completely bad, but rather, just to make sure that he has the highest number of Islamic Religious Points by the end of his life in order to increase the chances that he'll get into Islamic heaven with enough positive religious points.

D. In order to get these Islamic religious points, there is a number of things you can do to qualify which are spelled out in the Quran as well as the Sunnah and Hadeeth texts about Muhammad's life. These range from "being a good Muslim", doing things to promote Islam, and generally living an Islamic lifestyle. Primarily, this means praying five times a day and fulfilling the other 4 "Pillars of Islam" (profession of Islamic faith, giving charity only to other Muslims, fasting during Ramadan, and pilgrimage to Mecca). For the most part, if you pray five times a day and fulfill the other four pillars of Islam you get your standard Islamic Religious Points and the angels track this and you're likely to get into heaven.

E. This can become problematic for religiously lazy or sinful Muslim because what happens if a Muslim falls off the Islamic bandwagon so often that he skips so many prayers and does so much sinful stuff (extramarital sex, doesn't believe in Allah, talks to women, drinks beer, etc.) that the Muslim realizes, "I've been so bad that there's no way I can possibly get into heaven!" If a Muslim has this thought, then the natural next thought is: "I might as well give up on Islam because I'm just going to lose." BUT, one of the "brilliant" elements of Islam is that it offers these losers and sinners numerous chances to earn BONUS points. Islam allows you to double up on prayers to make up for skipped prayers, it allows you to give extra prayers during certain holy months and on super holy evenings that you can actually earn SUPER BONUS points. Of course, Islam and Muslims don't refer to them as such and would be offended by the suggestion that their religion offers game show-like super bonus points, but so it is.

F. Lastly, the ultimate source of super bonus points is dying in defense/promotion of Islam as a martyr, i.e. jihad.

So if you look at the profiles of many suicide murderers in Islam, you will see one of several patterns:

A. Muslim X is a sinful Muslim and "no-one would suspect" this Muslim of ever falling into jihad because their sinful behavior was so unIslamic that people would possibly even view him as "not being a Muslim".

B. Muslim X has experienced something so shameful that the Islamic community totally ostracizes the man/woman and this person lives a life of despair: this is often the case for female suicide bombers who have often been raped because Islam usually believes in shared-fault with rape and blames the woman for her rape and punishes her accordingly. At a minimum, a woman who is raped - and the community finds out about this - her life is basically over because no "pious" Muslim is going to marry a filthy whore who has had extramarital sex, rape or not. (Whether or not the man has hypocritically had extramarital sex is a non-issue here because men are held to a different standard.)

C. Muslim X lives a life of mental torment and conflict because he is something that Islam inherently rejects, or he does something which will never be reconciled with Islam and/or forgiven under normal circumstances by Allah. Often this is the case with suicide murderers who are single, unmarried and childless, and most probably either gay or otherwise socially unacceptable to the Islamic community.

Yet for these people living a life of despair who cannot tolerate life on Earth - and who are not tolerated by Muslims on this Earth - there is one possible way out: get into good graces with Allah by fighting jihad for Islam. If Allah is graceful enough and pleased enough with your jihad, he might just forgive your plethora of sin and let you into Islamic heaven.

Therefore, it is my view that Nidal Malik Hasan undertook his jihad against the infidel soldiers and great "enemy of Islam" - the American military - in order to gain favor with Allah.

NOTE: Islam is a religion of violence which promotes lying to infidels and the murder of all of those who stand in Islam's way. When the media reports on a person being a "pious Muslim" this MUST start sending up red flags in the minds of all of us. Unlike a pious believer in Jesus Christ, who most likely would attempt to emulate Jesus' pacifistic, non-violent and charitable lifestyle, the "pious Muslim" seeks to emulate the life of Muhammad, a pedophile who married and raped 9-year old girls, a man who tortured and murdered anyone who disagreed with him, a man who employed genocide and ethnic cleansing against the Jews and infidels of Arabia in the 7th Century, and a man who sought to dominate and destroy every non-Islamic society and individual on Earth.

If we were to look at religion as a computer operating system, then we need to be extremely concerned whenever the Islamic mental operating system gets fired up in someone's mind because the first lines of code that get executed during boot-up are the destruction of democracy, the subordination of women, and the eventual destruction of all non-Muslims through one-on-one violence or global Islamic jihad. Yes, Nidal Malik Hasan was a pious Muslim, and by all accounts rapidly getting more pious. What was the ultimate consequence of his increasing Islamic piety?

The mass murder of non-Islamic Americans whom he viewed - as a Muslim - to be the enemies of Allah.

The Hollow Men
T. S. Eliot
Mistah Kurtz—he dead.

A penny for the Old Guy

I

We are the hollow men
We are the stuffed men
Leaning together
Headpiece filled with straw. Alas!
Our dried voices, when
We whisper together
Are quiet and meaningless
As wind in dry grass
Or rats’ feet over broken glass
In our dry cellar

Shape without form, shade without colour,
Paralysed force, gesture without motion;

Those who have crossed
With direct eyes, to death’s other Kingdom
Remember us—if at all—not as lost
Violent souls, but only
As the hollow men
The stuffed men.

II

Eyes I dare not meet in dreams
In death’s dream kingdom
These do not appear:
There, the eyes are
Sunlight on a broken column
There, is a tree swinging
And voices are
In the wind’s singing
More distant and more solemn
Than a fading star.

Let me be no nearer
In death’s dream kingdom
Let me also wear
Such deliberate disguises
Rat’s coat, crowskin, crossed staves
In a field
Behaving as the wind behaves
No nearer—

Not that final meeting
In the twilight kingdom

III

This is the dead land
This is cactus land
Here the stone images
Are raised, here they receive
The supplication of a dead man’s hand
Under the twinkle of a fading star.

Is it like this
In death’s other kingdom
Waking alone
At the hour when we are
Trembling with tenderness
Lips that would kiss
Form prayers to broken stone.

IV

The eyes are not here
There are no eyes here
In this valley of dying stars
In this hollow valley
This broken jaw of our lost kingdoms

In this last of meeting places
We grope together
And avoid speech
Gathered on this beach of the tumid river

Sightless, unless
The eyes reappear
As the perpetual star
Multifoliate rose
Of death’s twilight kingdom
The hope only
Of empty men.

V

Here we go round the prickly pear
Prickly pear prickly pear
Here we go round the prickly pear
At five o’clock in the morning.

Between the idea
And the reality
Between the motion
And the act
Falls the Shadow
For Thine is the Kingdom

Between the conception
And the creation
Between the emotion
And the response
Falls the Shadow
Life is very long

Between the desire
And the spasm
Between the potency
And the existence
Between the essence
And the descent
Falls the Shadow
For Thine is the Kingdom

For Thine is
Life is
For Thine is the

This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.

"We shall set up scales of justice for the Day of Judgment," says the Koran (21:47): if one's good deeds outweigh one's evil deeds, one will go to Paradise...
......................

Whatever wrong a Muslim may have done, once he kills an infidel the Muslim ensures that he shall never be in Hell, for in the hadith entitled, “Excellence of killing an infidel,” the Prophet says, “An infidel and the one who killed him will never be brought together in Hell.” (Sunan Abu Dawud, Volume II, pp. 690) The one who dies while waging Jihad or subsequently of an injury sustained in Jihad is a martyr and is guaranteed Paradise. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Volume II, pp. 690, 698-99)

Yup—killing an Infidel covers a myriad of peccadillos such as the occasional drink of alcohol. And, as many here have noted, patronizing a strip club full of 'Infidel whores' is not considered a sin in Islam, in any case.

Note the twisted inversion of morality here, where an act of brutal violence and treachery is the only thing that truly guarantees a Muslim a place in paradise.

With evidence rapidly mounting toward Hasan’s pure terrorist motives, along with the government’s withholding of key evidence, this is a real mess. Our government’s withholding of evidence is indicative of a conspiracy within our government. This conspiracy has it roots in ignorance, political correctness, and crass politics. But then all politics is some sort of conspiracy, isn’t it. It is a conspiracy to win an election. Therefore, the Democratic party and Obama et al are willing to risk death and destruction to our decent soldiers and to all of us along with their own constituents just to win an election. They will try to win any way they can with the help of the corrupt MSM.

It is obvious from the evidence that Hasan is on the same track as the 9/11 bombers and all the rest of the terrorists in the Mideast. It is further obvious that our intelligence agencies tried to hide and overlook key evidence of Hasan’s activities. Hasan and the 9/11 attackers are all devout Muslims trying to live their lives with great dedication to Islam and the Koran. They see us as infidels and the enemy. They refuse to compromise their “religion” as defined in the 7th century by Mohammed. Their goal in life is to strike back at the infidels and to attempt to conquer all non-Muslims throughout the world, just as Mohammad had done. They seek nothing less and they are encouraged by the weakness that we have shown in fighting them in a very weak way. They further see us as stupid for not understanding their methods and beliefs.

Frankly, I do not know what it will take to convince liberals of this situation. With our military now infiltrated with militant Muslims (I cannot believe that Hasan is the only one), this puts us all in danger. Our military MUST root out any militant Muslim infiltrators. We don’t want our military to go the way of Iraq and Afghanistan’s military.

When did it become illegal to hate a vile and despicable ideology? One that was started by a warmomgering, looting, lying, murdering, child molester sack of garbage.

When?

Abdullah,

You write:
"[...]However, you could not be more wrong in your comment.
Well, I take that back...you probably could, but nothing you stated is true, sorry...hit the books again with a desire to learn the truth, you have not yet achieved that.[...]"

In that case, please enlighten me by citing the evidence from the Quran, Hadith, Sira, and Islamic law that indicates that Muslim men in the lands of the infidels are not permitted to view naked non-Muslim women. (And how do they follow this rule, when they are permitted to have sex with the non-Muslim female captives and slaves?)

I see Abdullah Mikhail is once again misunderstanding the First Amendment with his threats of possible subpoenas from the Justice Department. You see, old AM doesn't like, nor understand, the First Amendment which allows not only for criticism, but severe criticism, of any religion. Under the First Amendment I can say, and I am most definitely saying here, that Mohammed was a fraud, a brutal man and sexually perverse and that Islam is the one major religion which is rotten throughout. The AMs out there can't stand this and they flail around with bogus threats and manifest great ignorance about what true liberty really means. But, of course, there's nothing about Islam which bespeaks of true liberty and so no one should be surprised by AM's pathetic threats, threats being something many, many Muslims are quite good at.

To quote an old ex-Muslim sage, when commenting on translations of the Quran:

"Some of the poetry gets lost in translation, but NOT THE MATH."

Spot on:

Ignoring or disallowing public discussion of the violent and harmful nature of Islam was put into full swing by the Republican Bush Administration after 9/11, as you recall. "Islam is a Religion of Peace!" was advocated by the Bush Administration ad nauseum, so to portray this as an issue somehow invented and propagated by the Obama Administration is both inaccurate, divisive and extremely unhelpful to the cause of educating Americans/Westerners/the World - regardless of political affiliation - on the violent, oppressive and destructive nature of Islam.

This denial of *anything* being fundamentally wrong with Islam is promoted by ALL American Administrations (Democrat or Republican) and by virtually all major media outlets and therefore it should not be portrayed as a partisan issue, since it is not.

The key is for the rest of us to confront this naivete and/or deception one by one, person by person, until The People themselves start demanding that their elected Representatives reflect the growing awareness that the real problem here is Islam itself.

Qur'an 33:51 "You may have whomever you desire; there is no blame."

IMO, going to strip clubs makes sense for a pious Muslim, in the usual bizarre Islamic way things make 'sense.'

Women must be covered in order to protect men and women from their uncontrollable Islamic masculine desire. So the mere presence of naked women overwhelms the brother's (no) ability to resist the temptation. This fits with the "uncovered meat" sheik in Australia among many other scholarly Islamic opinions. Muslim men are not responsible for anything they do unless women are covered from head to toe, and then only if you have four witnesses. So the only responsible parties for Muslims in strip clubs are the strippers themselves. Islam: the religion of convenience, for men anyway.

Al Kaafir Al Amriikii

When Bush was in power, I said much the same about him. The problem is that many "conservatives" are not really conservative. Bush was a "progressive" and as PC MC as most liberals. Your point is well taken that all should get together and work this problem. Obama is in the spotlight now and he is a liberal progressive PC MC individual. He leads his party and they have total control of our government right now. Since they are in power, I complain about them as I did when Bush was in power when they did wrong. We all must complain when our leaders do wrong, whomever they are.

AM

When an auto manufacturer makes an automobile, they give it a name and mean for it to perform so that they may hopefully sell many of them by convincing people that it is a marvelous auto. When the reality is that the car is unattractive, unreliable and most of the time dangerous to both the operator and the people who also share the road with it. That particular auto..whatever the name given it by the company..becomes something entirely different from that desired and hoped for. The auto becomes a hoax, a bad joke and dangerous and nobody with half a brain is buying it, not even from a determined slick salesman.

Abdullah,

I appreciate your opinion, but I note that you don't cite the Quran, Hadith, etc. I'm talking about Hasan's situation. He is a Muslim man in an infidel land, who regards himself as a jihadist in the land of war, viewing naked non-Muslim women (i.e., from the his perspective, they are slaves and captives). As Abul Kasem notes, citing the Hedaya

"A man may view his wife or his slave in any part. IT is lawful for a man to look at his slave girl in any part, provided he be not related him within the prohibited degrees; and also at his wife in any part, even in the pudenda, if he pleases; because the Prophet said, "shut your eyes from all excepting your wives and female slaves." Nevertheless, it is most becoming that a husband and wife should neither of them look at the genital parts of the other, as the Prophet gas said, "when ye copulate with women of your own tribe, you must conceal as much s possible; and be not then naked, as that savours too much of the custom of asses."

11. THE HEDAYA COMMENTARY ON THE ISLAMIC LAWS (reprint 1994) Translated by Charles Hamilton, Published by Kitab Bhaban , 1784 Kalan Mahal, Darya Ganj, New Delhi 110002 [India]
p.599
http://www.sex-in-islam.com/abul.kasem/sex-sexuality-islam.htm

This is the strength of character the muslim god gives to his followers. The ability to go to strip clubs and lust after non-muslim women while whining about how "decadent" the "west" is. Note that islamic spokespeople will say "this is against islam", just like how mass murder is against islam, except when it isn't.

I somehow doubt that a religion that encourages rape of captive (read: non-muslim) women will count Major Hasan as a sinner for going to a strip club. I'm sure the wimpy 19 found living in infidel lands a convenient excuse for doing that too.

So some muslims may condemn this for a surface level, taqqiya-like camaraderie with non-muslims. Meanwhile, orthodox muslims whore are openly criminals will continue to behave this way.

Well, Muslims are very devout, except when they're not. ; )

War,
Isabella

I second the gay theory. That was my first thought (other than jihad) when I heard his stats. If so, he and his victims are casualties of homophobia as well as jihad.

"I believe Hasan "debauched" himself and sullied his "holiness", as it were, in the weeks prior to his attack in order to mislead anyone on his trail."

Given the near universal cluelessness even after all the evidence his behavior otherwise broadcast with megaphones in the weeks, months and years before he did his deed, Hasan needn't have bothered. These days, with PC MC in full gear, a Muslim can stand on a rooftop screaming bloody murder for 30 days straight, then will be perfectly free to go to a public place and start massacring us. No need for any jihadist to dissemble one whit, it seems.

Wow! He was trying to convert the strippers!?

What a pious man. Obviously with great risk to himself being corrupted he still went ahead and Dawa'd!

Time and time again we misjudge the misjudgers of Islam...

"Wow! He was trying to convert the strippers!?"

Yes, that's a special subcategory of Jihad, to add to the Jihad of the Pen, the Jihad of the Tongue, the Jihad of the Sword, etc.:

the Jihad al-Lapdance (derived historically from the pleasantly rocking motion Arabs felt perched between the humps of a gently undulating camel)

Abdullah,

Thanks for citing some references from the Quran and Hadith. Most of these do convey the general Islamic taboo about public or out-in-the-open nudity--a taboo of course in the general sense which is shared in non-Islamic and indeed non-religious societies. But this is getting off the point. My claim applies to the situation where a Muslim jihadist is in the land of the infidels and views naked non-Muslim women. None of the quotes you cite are contrary to that specific claim.

For those who want the summary of Abdullah's citations, as regards to assessing their relevance to Hasan's viewing of non-Muslim strippers in the land of the infidels:

20:121 - about Adam and Eve being ashamed presumably of their nudity

27:44 -says a woman wronged herself by previously submitting to other than Allah, but does not state that her briefly exposing her legs was un-Islamic

Sahih Bukhari references
-these refer to Muhammad's forbidding of some polytheists (or anyone else) practice of being naked while ceremonially moving around the Ka'ba during the Hajj.

Sahih Muslim
-some of these are essentially the same as the Sahih Bukhari references above

-men and women (Muslims) forbidden from seeing genitals/private parts, but nothing is mentioned here about slave girls

-set up veil/ don't be exposed during bath

-a vague ambiguous reference warning of women who are "dressed but appear naked" and that they will be punished on the last day. Taken together with the Malik's Muwatta reference, this appears to be a warning to Muslim women about how they should dress, or it could be a metaphor of some sort, but it also may simply be a prophesy that merely happens (incidentally) to mention the dress of such women, and such would be a sign of the end times.

Sunan of Abu Dawud refs
-1678-praises those who clothe a Muslim
-3109 -not relevant to clothing or nakedness
-2741 refers to Allah providing items for Muslims in battle, list happens to include clothing

Malik's Muwatta
-again reference to women who are "naked in spite of their being dressed"

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Given that the Quran, Hadith, and Islamic law all permit the Muslim man to have sex with his non-Muslim female captives and slaves/concubines, one can deduce that he is permitted to view these women naked. More than that, though, Islamic law explicitly states that a Muslim man may view "any part" of the bodies of his (non-Muslim) female captives, slaves/servants/concubines.

Abdullah,

The statements about Muslim men being permitted to view "any part" of the non-Muslim female slaves/servants/concubines/captives is clear. None of what you cited contradicts that.

Islam has general restrictions (e.g., no killing) but then exceptions to the restrictions (e.g., killing is considered okay in jihad fighting and in administering death penalties under sharia). This issue of viewing "any part" of the female slaves appears to be an exception.

I did make a notation error re 3409 in Sunan Abu Dawud (I mistakenly noted 3109). I checked 3409 at the USC site, and that hadith has nothing to do with clothing. There is probably a discrepancy in the numbering systems. Anyways, taking the Solomon example, that still doesn't apply to the circumstance at issue: Muslim man in the land of infidels during jihad viewing naked non-Muslim women.

I'm not saying your interpretation is "wrong." I suspect many Muslims may share your interpretation. What I'm saying is that in the Quran, Hadith, and Islamic law, Hasan can find plenty of justification for his viewing and interactions with the strippers, and that there is nothing specifically prohibiting this particular behavior in this particular circumstance.

Abdullah,

You wrote: "Surah An-Naml #27, Verse #44 - The reaction of Solomon was the point. What did he do? He covered his sight from seeing her nakedness, and it was just her leg she exposed....got it?"

There's nothing in the verse that says he covered his sight, and nothing there says her exposing of her leg was un-Islamic. (This is not to deny that Islam has rules regulating Muslim women's dress; but the verse you cite doesn't support what you are saying). Here's the verse:

27:44 (Pickthall) "It was said unto her: Enter the hall. And when she saw it she deemed it a pool and bared her legs. (Solomon) said: Lo! it is a hall, made smooth, of glass. She said: My Lord! Lo! I have wronged myself, and I surrender with Solomon unto Allah, the Lord of the Worlds."

Commentators indicate she had wronged herself in her previous worship of other than Allah:

Al-Jalalayn:
"It was, also, said to her, ‘Enter the palace [hallway]’ — this was a transparent white glass floor underneath which flowed sweet water that contained fish. Solomon had it made when he was told that her legs and feet resembled the shanks of a mule. And when she saw it, she supposed it to be a pool, of water, and so she bared her legs, to wade through it. Meanwhile Solomon was seated on his throne at the front part of the palace [hallway], and he saw that her legs and feet were [in fact] fair. He said, to her: ‘It is a hallway paved [smooth] with crystal’, and thereafter he called her to submit [to God]. She said, ‘My Lord, indeed I have wronged myself, by worshipping other than You, and I submit with Solomon to God, the Lord of the Worlds’. He wanted to marry her but disliked the hair on her legs. So the devils made a [depilatory] lime mixture (nūra) and she removed it therewith. He married her and had [great] love for her. And he let her remain as ruler of her kingdom and would visit her once a month, staying for three days [every time]. Her reign came to an end at the same time as that of Solomon. It is reported that he became king at the age of 13 and died at the age of 53 — Glory be to the One whose enduring sovereignty will never end!"

Ibn Abbas:
"(It was said unto her: Enter the hall) enter the castle. (And when she saw it she deemed it a pool and bared her legs) she lifted her dress above her legs. ((Solomon) said: Lo! it is a hall, made smooth, of glass) beneath which there is water, so do not be afraid of getting wet. (She said: My Lord! Lo! I have wronged myself) by worshipping the sun, (and I surrender with Solomon) at the hand of Solomon (unto Allah, the Lord of the Worlds) the master of the jinn and human beings."

Abdullah,

The Yusuf Ali translation you quote does not indicate that the woman (queen in this case) did anything Islamically wrong at the time by lifting her skirt to wade into what she perceived initially to be water. Nor does Solomon complain about any violations of dress codes. I've examined numerous translations at Open Burhan, and none of them support your reading.

I've cited al-Jalalayn and Ibn Abbas commentaries, and I will now quote from Ibn Kathir: “…so she submitted to Allah and said: (My Lord! Verily, I have wronged myself,) meaning, by her previous disbelief and Shirk and by the fact that she and her people had worshipped the sun instead of Allah. […]”

The Aqa Mahdi Puya (Shia) commentary also does not indicate anything about her lifting of the skirt as being Islamically improper.

The above commentaries interpret that she had (previously) "wronged" herself by worshipping other than Allah; nothing about violating dress codes.

My understanding is that Muhammad implemented a dress code for the "believing women" in Medina (e.g., see the context of 33:58-59), in response to circumstances, and for among other things to distinguish the free believing women from the non-Muslim slave girls.