Obama adminstration appoints Muslims to key Homeland Security posts -- but... they're "moderates," aren't they?

Hasan won't be "walking" anywhere, remember? Instead of 72 virgins he got 72 spokes....36 on each wheel.

sorry, couldn't resist!

Jewdog wrote:

There's a news item today that the 911 terrorists will all plead innocent so that they can explain why they acted, thereby reinforcing the fear that the NYC trial will be a propaganda windfall for them.
Obama must be pleased.
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Ever since I heard about the plan to try Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and the others in New York City, I knew this trial would become a platform for Da'wa—that, and an indictment of the Bush administration's policies. Expect those to be on trial to a much greater extent than the Jihad terrorists themselves.

Taqiya is alive and well with statements like this: "Making peace between muslims and non-muslims is important because that helps both communities fight the real enemies, the terrorists." Part of that involves not being so insecure about islam and allowing kaffirs their own places of worship. Does your wonderful shitty arabia allow that? While muslims incessantly put up mosques in kaffir lands, they don't have the decency to reciprocate.

al-Kidya,
You seem to have the quotation from Obama's book wrong. It seems Obama never uses the word "Muslim." Isn't this the correct quote?:

"Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific reassurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

You can find that on page 309 of Obama's book. Just go here, and go to the "look inside" option, then search for the word "Arab" to find the passage.

We have to do our best to be accurate in detail, or we'll discredit ourselves.

That said, I find it disgusting that Obama has appointed Muslims to Homeland Security positions.

Muhammad said, "Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him."

Hesperado, useful post.

From a very long time ago, before I read up on Islam and took courses in college on Middle Eastern history, I thought it very odd that anyone would want to pray in the position that Muslims do. Even as a teenager I thought the Muslim position when praying looked so undignified. Why would anyone in their right mind want to pray with their butt in the air?

P.S. Don't know if this one will get through. It is derogatory of Muslims at large but I have no choice but to tell the truth as I best can determine it. What the hell, I'm going to give this one a shot.

Yes, Hesperado, that was how I understood Muhammad's rule. One must be perpendicular to Mecca. Else crapping might seem a gesture directed at Mecca.

My comments were meant to express how funny I found it that crapping would be defined at all in relation to praying. Because that seems in turn to entail that praying is defined in relation to crapping.

Visualize it as though you are high above the earth, but with some special form of vision that allows you to look down and see all the Muslims praying and all the other Muslims crapping, the crappers forming concentric rings around Mecca, the prayers forming radii extending out from Mecca.

Muslims at the Kaaba are supposed to walk around it a number of times, are they not?...The crappers too, if they obey the defecation rules, are oriented around the Kaaba, and in moving from toilet to toilet, move around the Kaaba.

Does Saudi Arabia follow the hadith in question, and build all the toilets in concentric rings around the Kaaba? Just visualize it. Mighty rings of toilets all around the Kaaba.

I'll sign off with a little quote from Muhammad, who said, in Qur'an Chapter 9, Verse 123: O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him).

Hey guys I found an Islamic site which will send you free Islamic toilet paper!

http://www.freekoran.com/form.php

By the way, this PC crap is no joke. Just imagine how many Muslims might be working at the CDC. Horror.

I have also long felt that there is something demeaning, absurd and offensive about sticking one's butt in the air to pray.

It is very hard to shake the impression that the person performing the abasement is, um, well ... presenting themselves.

It is quite distinct visually, and I think emotionally from the other forms of humility.

You have your full face-and-belly-on-the-floor prostration, kneeling, and the bow, which at its lowest presents the back of the neck (traditionally intentional) in mortal vulnerability.

And then you have your head-on-the-floor/butt-in-the-air variety, which quite frankly puts me in mind of distinctly vulgar and profane matters.

I don't recommend it to young women.

And I really don't think it should be done in the presence of children, ever.

Uh, yes, I doubt that, too solemnman!

Hussein does not consider Muslims to be his enemies. And, what did he say in his book? - "I'll side with the Muslims."

Well, there you have it.

Hesperado, you stated :

45ch cited some fool praising Saudi Arabians. In fact, Saudi Arabians support one of the most grotesquely ghoulish regimes on earth

Comment :

Those Saudis in the video should not be indicted for what their govt. does , should they ?

When slavery was a US institution and when right wing mobs lynched blacks in the US in the 19 th and even 20th centuries, does that mean all Americans were evil at that time ?

Hitler indicted an entire race for what a tiny minority did, but is that fair and does that not lead to fear mongering and eventually hate and acts of violence against the innocent ?

There is still slavery in Mohammedan countries.

End of story.

Shep5554,

How many American muslim soldiers since 1776 through 2009 have killed their fellow soldiers ?

Out of 3500 American muslim soldiers, how many have killed their fellow soldiers ?

The acts of one criminal American muslim soldier should not be taken to mean all American muslims are criminals

just as the actions of the US govt during slavery and right wing mobs that lynched thousands of blacks during the 19 and even 20th centuries, should not be taken to mean all Americans were evil at that time.

Guilt by association is what murderers like Hitler do in order to give excuse to their genocidal agendas and in the end, innocent muslim children lose their lives due to hate that breeds violence

Hugh,

Its a fact that over a hundred million people have died under genocide in non-muslim countries, as compared to muslim countries these past 100 years.

Its a fact that non-muslim countries have waged more war beyond their borders these past 100 years compared to wars waged by muslim countries.

Its a fact that in the US alone there have been about 2000 annual murders of intimate partners by jealous boyfriends or husbands as compared to a world wide total of 5000 honor killings per year

Its a fact that you have heard of stories or read the news about your town's murders etc and most of them were done by non-muslims and probably non by Al-Qaeda so you are more in danger from your fellow citizens.

If you were living in a muslim country, there is a good chance you could be a victim of a muslim but at the same time, the murder rates in a place like Saudi Arabia (rank : 61) is much lower than in the US ( rank : 24) and several muslim countries have lower murder rates than the US.

In fact, the countries with the most murder rates, the top 12 are non-muslim.

ref : http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita

ref : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

I can assure you, you are more in danger from your fellow citizens than any muslim terrorist

And you are more in danger from everyday household items or foods that you eat that can have deadly consequences either in the short term or long term.

And you are more in danger of getting cancer because cancer is the result of hate that consumes the soul.

So you would be better off concentrating on the true dangers to your health and safety and not "cooked up dangers from Islam" that only benefit the profit agenda of the bloated, greedy, corrupt military/industrial pork laden corporate welfare entitlement complex where here in the US the complex is looting the US govt of 68 cents of every hard earned tax dollar amounting to over a trillion dollars a year

Well argued.

Entirely agree.

Right now our governments are playing not Russian roulette, but "Muslim roulette". And the more Muslims we let in, to the military or anywhere else, the higher the probability becomes of more 'Fort Hoods', or worse.

There are those Muslims-in-name-only who will truly and permanently apostasise, and leave the Ummah forever.

There are those Muslims-in-name-only who are and will remain harmless...but among their children or grandchildren *are* those who will suddenly, unpredictably, become dangerous, and wage Jihad.

There are those Muslims who are harmless at the moment...but who will themselves, unpredictably, suddenly, at some unknown time in the future, 'get religion' and go Jihad on us.

There are those Muslims who *appear* harmless and 'moderate' but are NOT - they are smiling outwardly and cursing inwardly and biding their time.

There are those Muslims who don't bother to hide their hate, and engage in all kinds of small and great acts of verbal and physical aggression against non-Muslims.

Only the last sort are relatively easy to spot and to deal with.

The openly-declared apostates - many of them on the run from the sharia assassins seeking to punish them for their apostasy - also present few problems; they are to be welcomed (though also, prudently, checked and double-checked).

But it is impossible for the average non-Muslim, at a glance, to distinguish among the mass of Muslims, in order to sort out the permanently-harmless from the harmless-now-but-deadly-later or from the seems-harmless-but-AREN'T varieties.

I don't fancy gambling the lives of our soldiers or the lives of our police or the lives of hospital patients or public transport passengers, et cetera, on the putative harmlessness of a large number of apparently-harmless Muslims who may turn out to be, not harmless at all, but rather, actively malevolent.

Ockham's Razor and the precautionary principle say: no Muslims in the military, no Muslims in the police force, no Muslims in Homeland Security, and for that matter, given a whole slew of cases of Muslims (in the UK, Canada, Israel, USA) caught deliberately contaminating or plotting to contaminate food items intended for kafir, no Muslims in the food industry (at any point from field to table), and I wouldn't feel safe with Muslims in any area of health care, either. Or mass transit. Or the power industry.

I'm afraid that knowing what I know now, about the doctrine of al-wala we al-baraa, I would not eat at a Muslim-owned restaurant; I would not visit a Muslim doctor; I would avoid a Muslim taxi driver; and I do not buy food exported from Muslim countries. Why should I play 'Muslim roulette'?

The potential for *just one* malevolent and clever saboteur to cause mass deaths, once embedded in any of these areas of our society, is just too great.

Better safe than sorry.

DDA,

Here is a discussion that might interest you :

Hesperado, you stated :

45ch seems to think that we think the problem is that Muslims are actually going to conquer the world. If a maniac has the intention to burn down a skyscraper, does it matter if he is unable to achieve the full realization of his intent, but only manages to burn a few offices and kill about 30 or 40 people in the process of failing his ultimate objective?

Comment :

I deal in facts, numbers and the reality on the ground and that is why I am for the US rendition program that does apprehend truly dangerous criminals anywhere in the world, whether they are muslims or non-muslims who want to cause harm to Americans.

If you look at just the facts :

The only muslim organization that wants to punish Americans for the adverse and cruel foreign policies of the US govt is Al-Qaeda but other than Al-Qaeda, which is a very tiny organization, I don't see any major muslim organization wanting to cause harm to Americans on American soil.

As for causing harm to Americans in war zones, that is human nature to be murderous when their countries are occupied by a foreign military as was seen in the American revolutionary war.

We have read about numerous cases in the US in which loving fathers in our non-war zone and trauma-less America have nonetheless terrorized, tortured and killed their own children or pregnant wives, either through suffocation, drowning, hanging, beheading, stabbings or shootings,

so is it surprising that in Iraq or Afghanistan today, in the trauma of a war zone, where numerous victims see their loved ones being killed or blinded, maimed, deformed or paralyzed or disfigured for life due to either US bombings or sectarian violence, that those victims are vulnerable to Al-Qaida's propaganda which is able to influence the victims to take revenge and kill Muslims allied with the US or collaterally/accidentally kill Muslim children in the process of attacking US forces or Shia militias ?

If you were in a war zone and you see your family murdered by rebels or collaterally killed by the occupying force, knowing that you do not compromise with injustice , what would you do ?

When a foreign power occupies another country or when separatist movements reject the govt., it tends to result in terrorism, as was seen by the torture that many loyalist Americans/British went through by being tarred ( boiling tar being poured on them) because they were seen as loyal to the occupying British forces by the American rebels.

Another form of terrorism was the killing of british troops by the American rebels, after the British troops had surrendered.

ref : http://home.golden.net/~marg/bansite/banecdotes/96quarter.html

Lynchings were ordered by American Patriot Judge Charles Lynch on the terrorized American loyalists who were loyal to the British Crown.

So terrorism can be the result of being in a war zone and its either terrorism from the occupying force through collateral actions or the terrorism of the rebels against those loyal to the occupying force.

The fact that most American loyalists, who were loyal to Britain, fled the US, shows the terror they faced, not only from being tarred or properties confiscated but being lynched to death.

ref : http://www.redcoat.me.uk/

Hesperado, you stated :

There are too many Muslims in various places all over the world trying to concretize the supremacist madness of their religious blueprint, and in the process they are causing mayhem, and they need to be stopped.

Comment :

Too many muslims ?

As I said, I deal in facts and sadly :

Its a fact that over a hundred million people have died under genocide in non-muslim countries, as compared to muslim countries these past 100 years.

Its a fact that non-muslim countries have waged more war beyond their borders these past 100 years compared to wars waged by muslim countries.

Its a fact that in the US alone there have been about 2000 annual murders of intimate partners by jealous boyfriends or husbands as compared to a world wide total of 5000 honor killings per year

Its a fact that you have heard of stories or read the news about your town's murders etc and most of them were done by non-muslims and probably non by Al-Qaeda so you are more in danger from your fellow citizens.

If you were living in a muslim country, there is a good chance you could be a victim of a muslim but at the same time, the murder rates in a place like Saudi Arabia (rank : 61) is much lower than in the US ( rank : 24) and several muslim countries have lower murder rates than the US.

In fact, the countries with the most murder rates, the top 12 are non-muslim.

ref : http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita

ref : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

I can assure you, you are more in danger from your fellow citizens than any muslim terrorist

And you are more in danger from everyday household items or foods that you eat that can have deadly consequences either in the short term or long term.

And you are more in danger of getting cancer because cancer is the result of hate that consumes the soul.

Hesperado, you stated :

The problem is not a "tiny minority" who are easily identifiable. The problem is a much larger, difficult to identify and ennumerate number of Muslims who furthermore are enabled in a variety of ways by other Muslims who are not actively killing anybody.

Comment :

I deal in facts and if the facts show that a majority of the muslim population are dangerous, I will be the first one to be on your side.

But the facts point clearly that muslims on the whole are less dangerous than non-muslims.

Does that mean that any particular non-muslim is more dangerous than any particular muslim ? off course not.

In aggregate, the facts do not support the idea of a dangerous muslim majority.

Hesperado, you stated :

The problem of enablement of violent and supremacist jihad in Muslim societies is a much larger more amorphous problem than 45ch claims.

Comment :

Here is a video where a militant muslim is accusing muslims outside a mosque of not going to jihad:

http://www.blip.tv/file/2760905

Islam is not more powerful than Christianity and since christians do not follow the pacifism of Christ, almost all muslims do not go to jihad because both Christianity and Islam are not able to override the free will of their followers.

Just as almost all christians do not follow Christ's pacifism, almost all muslims do not follow the call to jihad.

Jihad is a religious obligation that almost no muslims obey unless they do find their countries occupied by a foreign power.

If you can site any comprehensive study that shows that muslims are more dangerous than non-muslims, let me know and I will give it considerable thought.

Hesperado, you stated :

The same fanaticism that drives the violent jihadists is psychologically and culturally contiguous with the obsessive fanaticism by which multitudes of Muslims slavishly follow their religious rules and beliefs, and chief among those beliefs is the division of Mankind into Believer and Unbeliever, and the hatred of the latter and the exclusive loyalty to the former.

Comment :

Exclusive loyalty to the former ? when muslims have been disunited and muslim armies have waged war with each other ?

I do not see the exclusive loyalty you are talking about.

Christians also believe that unbelievers will go to hell but that does not mean that Christians are bad in anyway, does it ?

Muslims have opinions, just as christians have opinions but having an opinion does not constitute a conspiracy to do harm in anyway.

Now, if the facts point in the direction you are going, I will be the first one to be on your side, but the facts do not support any kind of conspiracy.

Hesperado, you stated :

Then add the prevalent culture of lying to protect Islam and we begin to have a problem of formidable proportions.

Comment :

Lying to protect Islam ? Do you have any comprehensive studies to back that up ?

I am going to give you a quote here and let me know which group the quote refers to :

We must realize that our party's most powerful weapon is racial tension. By propounding into the consciousness of the dark races that for centuries they have been oppressed by the whites, we can mould them to the program of the .........Party. In America we will aim for subtle victory. While inflaming the Negro minority against the whites, we will endeavor to install in the whites a guilt complex for their exploitation of the Negroes. We will aid the Negroes to rise in prominence in every walk of life, in the professions and in the world of sports and entertainment. With this prestige, the Negro will be able to intermarry with the whites and begin a process which will deliver America to our cause.(end of quote)

What group does the above quote refer to ?

The point I am getting at is any group that does not look like you and has a religion that is different from you, can be targets of conspiracy theories based more on beliefs than actual facts on the ground.

Here is another quote and let me know which group the quote refers to :

................ is the destiny of mankind.

The ...... are the highest and most cultured people on earth . . . The..... have a right to subordinate to themselves the rest of mankind and to be the masters over the whole earth. The......will become masters over the whole earth, and they will subordinate to themselves all nations, not by material power, not by brute force, but by light, knowledge, understanding, humanity, peace, justice and progress. . . .

The ...... shall inherit the earth, and . . . all other races will either disappear altogether or they will become (fill in the blank).(end of quote)

Which group does the above quote refer to ?

Conspiracy theories make the authors of those theories feel good about themselves because they want to see the world as black and white and they want to see their race as perfect and every other race as imperfect or even evil.

But life is not black and white and there are innumerable variations and colors and nuances and beliefs even within the same religion as can be seen in the innumerable denominations within christianity, islam and other religions.

I recall a muslim saying that there are a hundred different sects within sunni islam and each sect thinks the other is not following islam properly.

Hesperado, you stated :

Nevertheless, these innumerable and difficult to ennumerate numbers of Muslims all over the world don't have to be actually capable of their ultimate goal of a world dominated by Islam, for them to cause untold misery and mayhem merely in trying, yet failing, to succeed. We must stop them from trying -- never mind the red herring of their succeeding.

Comment :

As I said before, other than groups in muslim countries occupied by foreign armies and groups in countries with separatist movements ( eg the tamil tigers, Chechen rebels, the IRA etc)

the only group that wants to harm Americans on American soil is Al-Qaeda and its affiliates which constitute about a few hundred militant muslims, not enough to cause a change in any govt, anywhere in the world.

Hesperado, you stated :

Secondly, there is another factor here at work, other than mere conquest. Conquest is not the only ultimate desideratum encoded in the blueprint of Islam.

Comment :

Even at the height of Islamic power, the muslim empire started to break up and eventually there are about 57 muslim countries today with differing agendas and goals.

The thought of muslims united to conquer the world is not based on fact but emotions.

Hesperado, you stated :

In fact, Muslims would not be happy merely to conquer the world, even if they could: not because they don't want to -- but because it's not in the blueprint of the Sunnah. The ultimate goal is not conquest of this world: the ultimate goal is bringing this world to the threshhold of the eschaton, to prepare it for the Last Days and Allah's final cleansing of Earth, damning all Unbelievers to Hell and giving Paradise to all worthy Believers.

Comment :

You mean that Pakistan will use nuclear weapons ? and if so, what are they waiting for ?

If muslim countries are suicidal, Iran would not have had a cease fire with Iraq in the long war with Iraq and Iran would have told its entire population to go to war with Iraq but that never happened.

People keep waiting for a muslim country to be truly suicidal and if it has not happened in 1400 years, there is a good chance, it will not ever happen because people might like their religious texts but more often than not, they are not following everything those religious texts dictate, just as almost all christians do not follow the pacifism of Christ even though they admire Christ.

Hesperado, you stated :

And this, according to the blueprint which must be slavishly followed, will not happen without worldwide wars and disorder and chaos and bloodshed. That is ultimately what Muslims must work for -- not so much because they want it, but because it's in the divine blueprint: worldwide Fitna, to instigate global wars of unprecedented chaos and bloodshed, in order to pave the way for the Last Days.

Comment :

Instigation of wars is not only confined to muslim govts., but non-muslim govts. like the US govt is also in the business of instigation , for example:

Stimson, the Secretary of War confided in his diary after a meeting of the war cabinet on November 25, 1941 : “The question was how we should maneuver them [the Japanese] into firing the first shot without allowing too much danger to ourselves".

After the Pearl Harbor attack, Stimson confessed : “my first feeling was of relief ... that a crisis had come in a way which would unite all our people."


The military/industrial complex would rather make money through the corporate welfare system without war,

but war is too much of a temptation and too lucrative for war profits to be abandoned completely, so the rich and powerful in the military/industrial complex thrive on conflict and its in their interest to keep the conflict going and that is why you will find instigation policies of the US and Israeli govts in keeping the terrorists agitated enough so that they will keep causing problems and in turn the fear that is generated among the public due to terrorism will enable politicians to keep expanding the "defense" budget because a fearful public will not question the ever expanding "defense" budget and in turn the ever expanding "defense" budget keeps the rich and powerful in the military/industrial complex happy and pave the way for support and re-elections of the military/industrial complex's puppet politicians.

And the people who pay the price for all the instigated conflicts are the poor, the sick, the handicapped, the children and the babies, while the so-called adults send our young and beloved soldiers to their deaths, all in the name of honor, duty and patriotism while the rich and powerful in the military/industrial complex "laugh all the way to the bank ".

Here are two examples of instigation policies that resulted in war or prolonged the conflict :

(1) The US govt instigated Japan by freezing Japanese assets, helping the Chinese military against Japan and as the McCollum Memo from US naval intelligence and Stimson, the Secretary of War admitted that the US govt did everything short of all out war, to instigate the Japanese govt to attack, since only if the Japanese attacked first would that unite the American people for war, since the American people did not want another world war since WW1.

(2) Instead of using pragmatic, diplomatic and covert initiatives, the US govt demanded that the Taliban hand over Osama Bin Laden to the US, knowing fully well that that kind of belligerent rude approach will not make the Taliban concede to the demands of the US govt and thus pave the way for a "profitable" war.

The Taliban tried to save face by saying that Osama bin Laden (if found , since he fled to the mountains after the 9/11 attack) would be put on trial in a muslim country , but the US govt. was more interested in the prospects of a "profitable" war then trying to negotiate with the Taliban.

As for multiple muslim govts. instigating wars at the same time, even though muslims have always been disunited, here again, conspiracy theories can be applied to any group different in looks and religion.

Who is the infamous person who said that a certain group was responsible for all the wars ? do you know the name of the person ?

Hesperado, you stated :

And again, we are not worried that Muslims will actually succeed in ushering in the Last Days: we are only concerned about what too many Muslims in various places all around the world -- most of whom we cannot identify, locate nor predict -- will do in merely trying to bring this about.

Comment :

If western govts will leave muslim lands, you will see a dramatic decrease in attacks against westerners.

In fact the The Center Party of Egypt (Hizb ul-Wasat ), Turkey's ruling AKP Party, Tehreek i Insaf Party of Pakistan and Iran's Defenders of Human Rights Center are four of numerous muslim organizations and muslim reformers who don't hate muslims but want reformation in the muslim world

and we can help reformers in the muslim world by drastically changing US foreign policy which right now motivates Al-Qaeda to recruit among the victims of US foreign policy.

Now to ensure total and long lasting peace between the west and Al-Qaeda and its affiliates, we have to implement the 28 point peace plan :

http://www.bernardgoldberg.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=30488&p=83949#p83949

Insulting Islam is not going to help matters as it is important to get 1.5 billion muslims on our side so that we can prevent the next terrorist attack and the way to prevent the next terrorist attack is to co-opt the muslim world by drastically changing US foreign policy which is now catered solely to enrich the rich and powerful in the bloated, corrupt, greedy military/industrial pork laden corporate welfare entitlement complex while the so called adults send our young and beloved soldiers to their deaths all in the name of patriotism, honor and duty, during which time, the rich and powerful in the military/industrial complex laugh all the way to the bank.

IN CLOSING :

Instead of complaining about a tiny minority of muslims who will never pose a threat to western civilization, how about discussing the real threats to our security

Here is a partial list :

(1) American foreign policy

(2) poisons in everyday household items that can produce cancer

(3) Govt corruption in spending 68 cents of every tax dollar on the bloated, greedy, wasteful military/industrial pork laden, corporate welfare entitlement complex

(4) gang violence

(5) gun violence

(6) only 2% of imported food being inspected right now

(7) dangerous bridges

(8) Millions of consumers are being made ill, hundreds of thousands hospitalized and thousands are dying each year from preventable food borne illnesses," according to The Center for Science in the Public Interest. "Unfortunately, the FDA is saddled with outdated laws, and lacks the authority, tools and resources to fight unsafe food."

I can assure you, you are more in danger from your fellow citizens than any muslim terrorist

And you are more in danger from everyday household items or foods that you eat that can have deadly consequences either in the short term or long term.

And you are more in danger of getting cancer because cancer is the result of hate that consumes the soul.

So you would be better off concentrating on the true dangers to your health and safety and not "cooked up dangers from Islam" that only benefit the profit agenda of the bloated, greedy, corrupt military/industrial pork laden corporate welfare entitlement complex where here in the US the complex is looting the US govt of 68 cents of every hard earned tax dollar amounting to over a trillion dollars a year

I am prosperous in my life because I have been blessed by God in being a peacemaker.

So be a peacemaker, and you will be blessed and no terrible thing will befall you because hate is like a cancer that can consume your soul and that is one reason people get cancer because their hate consumes them and they are vulnerable to all kinds of deadly diseases.

DDA,

Since 1776 through 2009, how many American muslim soliders have killed their fellow soldiers ?

Since 1776 through 2009, how many non-muslim American soldiers have killed their fellow soldiers ?

ref : http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/1106/p02s10-usmi.html

Out of the 3500 American muslim soldiers, how many killed their fellow soldiers ?

Blaming all muslims for the criminal acts of one muslim is what Hitler did when he condemned all jews for the assassination of German diplomat Ernst vom Rathby by a Jew on November 7, 1938.

"Muslim roulette". LOL.

Too true though. I'm stealing the line. :-P

You're absolutely right.

I believe it is Hugh who points out elsewhere that during WWII there were battle groups (battalions? I forget the military term) of Americans from Japanese families, and others of fellows from Italian or German families that were notable for their success on the battlefield, their fervent ardor to prove their patriotism, and the loud and conspicuous popularity showered on them by their hometown ethnic communities.

We see no similar phenomenon among America's mohammedans, or any other non-mohammedan country's mohammedans for that matter.

And I'm quite certain that it means exactly what it appears to mean. The fact speaks for itself.

In any case your central point is uncontestable, until this war is over, or at least until the better folk among the mohammedans definitively gain the upper hand, it is a gamble to place any mohammedan into a position where they can do harm until they have been inspected down to the roots of their hair, and even then, kept where they can be watched carefully anyway.

How is an outsider to distinguish, as you concisely put it, the "permanently-harmless from the harmless-now-but-deadly-later or from the seems-harmless-but-AREN'T".

Jihaddis are not a variety of food poisoning or mechanical failure. I might get food poisoning, but I can be confident that the sandwich I am biting into is not a member of an international conspiracy of sandwiches out to kill sandwich eaters. The brakes in my car may fail, but my car is not going to turn on me and release its brakes because I'm driving to a church. Neither is my car a member of an international movement of cars that have all been taught to hate drivers.

It's not just a matter of betting odds.

But even taken as a matter of betting odds, as GWB once put it, when we're playing defense against jihaddis, we have to be right every time, whereas they only have to be right once.

Which means we had better lock them ALL out and/or keep them ALL under surveillance. Because the bad guys only have to sneak ONE through the defense line to make a score.

And when they can manage a mere 19, well ...

Joe,

Instead of hating, how about pushing the US govt to implementing the 28 point peace plan which will bring true and lasting peace, even with Al-Qaeda :

28 POINT PEACE PLAN TO PREVENT ALL FUTURE WARS AND TERRORISM:

(1) MAKE PEACE WITH THE ENEMY including all enemy nation states BY ISSUING A STATEMENT THAT WE ARE WILLING TO NEGOTIATE A PEACE SETTLEMENT WITH THE LEADERS OF THE POLITICAL WING WHO ARE NOT DIRECTLY INVOLVED WITH TERRORIST ACTIVITY BUT WHO HAVE POLITICAL TIES TO THE TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS THEY REPRESENT...........a peace conference in a neutral country like Switzerland and sponsored by the US should bring all warring parties together to allow a platform in which all terrorist organizations through their political wing that can bring up issues..........JUST HEARING THEM OUT IN A SETTING LIKE A PEACE CONFERENCE WOULD MAKE A CEASEFIRE POSSIBLE......A LOT OF THE VIOLENCE IS BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE A US/UN SPONSORED PLATFORM THROUGH WHICH THEY CAN VENT THEIR FRUSTRATIONS.

(2) HELP ALL THOSE IN THE MIDDLE EAST FINANCIALLY WHO HAVE BEEN KILLED BY WEAPONS MADE IN THE US (THIS INCLUDES FAMILIES OF PALESTINIANS WHO HAVE DIED DUE TO COLLATERAL DAMAGE BECAUSE OF AMERICAN MADE WEAPONS) Sometimes our weapons cause collateral damage that kill innocent children and others and sometimes they are stolen by the enemy and used against us.
for example, Muslim babies and children dying or being deformed and maimed for life due to collateral damage from US made weapons fuels the anger towards the US and radicalizes a minority of Muslims to commit terrorist acts

(3) TELL THE POLITICAL WING OF THE TERRORISTS and all enemy nation states THAT WE WILL PULL OUT OUR ENTIRE ARMED FORCES FROM THE ENTIRE MIDDLE EAST and the rest of the world AS SOON AS IT IS PRACTICAL

(4) COVERTLY BE VERY ACTIVE IN THE MIDDLE EAST and all enemy nation states ( THE CIA'S BUDGET SHOULD BE GREATLY ENLARGED AND THE CIA SHOULD BE EMBEDDED IN EVERY MOSQUE, RELIGIOUS SCHOOL AND HOT SPOT IN THE MIDDLE EAST) AND INVITE ANY POTENTIAL ENEMY TO THE US OR INVITE THEM TO A "SAFE" COUNTRY WITH THE PRETENSE OF GIVING THEM HELP.. A "SAFE" COUNTRY IS A COUNTRY THAT IS COVERTLY HELPING US ON TERRORISM BUT LOOKS SAFE TO TERRORISTS......AN EXAMPLE OF A SAFE COUNTRY COULD BE PAKISTAN...... ..ONCE THE ENEMY AND HIS THUGS ARE COVERTLY APPREHENDED IN THE "SAFE" COUNTRY AND BROUGHT TO THE US, CONFINE THEM UNTIL WE ARE CONVINCED THAT THEY ARE NO LONGER A HARM TO ANYBODY.....AFTER HITLER WAS RELEASED FROM PRISON WHERE HE WROTE MEIN KAMPF, WE SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT HIM TO THE US, WITH THE PRETENSE OF HELPING HIS CAUSE AND ONCE IN THE US, AFTER A SECRET TRIAL, THE US COULD HAVE CONFINED HIM AND HIS THUGS UNTIL REHABILITATED OR IMPRISONED FOR LIFE...ALL THE ABOVE SHOULD BE DONE SECRETLY BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT FUTURE TERRORISTS TO KNOW WHAT OUR INTENTIONS ARE.

(5) GIVE AS MUCH HUMANITARIAN AID TO THE MIDDLE EAST and all enemy nation states, AND ALL THOSE ISRAELIS AND OTHERS WHO ARE VICTIMS OF TERRORISM AND ALL VICTIMS OF COLLATERAL DAMAGE DUE TO AMERICAN MADE WEAPONS.

The world should be divided into a grid system with each unit being about one square mile and within each unit, the US government should , according to the population density, place community heatlh centers which cater to the physical, emotional and psychological needs of the community which should include a health foods program, an exercise program, job training programs, a mental health program and a diseases prevention program

ALL AID SHOULD NOT BE GIVEN THROUGH THE CORRUPT AUTHORITIES IN THE MIDDLE EAST.....AID SHOULD ONLY BE GIVEN DIRECTLY TO THE CITIZENS THROUGH US AGENCIES OR OTHER AID AGENCIES WHO pass rigorous audits.

This aid should be directly related to giving every major US corporation the financial incentives to help in the economic development of all enemy nation states and other poor countries.

(6) WE SHOULD BE EVEN HANDED IN THE ISRAELI-PALESTINIAN SITUATION.....HAVE A PEACE CONFERENCE OF ALL PARTIES INVOLVED INCLUDING THE POLITICAL WING OF HAMAS, ISLAMIC JIHAD, THE AL-AQSA BRIGADE, THE PALESTINIAN AUTHORITY AND THE ISRAELIS.... GIVE THE NECESSARY FINANCIAL AND POWER SHARING INCENTIVES TO ALL POLITICAL LEADERS INVOLVED, SO THAT ALL PARTIES WOULD COME TO AGREEMENT...

..AS FOR THE TERRORISTS WHO ARE INVOLVED IN THE ACTUAL MURDERS OF ISRAELIS, COVERTLY APPREHEND THEM AT A LATER DATE FOR A SECRET TRIAL.......

..THE FOLLOWING SHOULD BE A SUBSTANTIAL PART OF THE ISRAELI-PALESTINIAN SOLUTION.

..(a) the complete withdrawal by Israel from all occupied territories including East Jerusalem

(b) compensate all Israelis for settlements vacated

(c) compensate all Israeli victims of terrorism

(d) compensate all Palestinian victims of collateral damage

(e) compensate all Palestinian refugees for land confiscated by Israel as a result of previous wars

(f) Give a gift to the Palestinians by building them a four lane expressway that connects the Gaza strip to the West Bank........underpasses will connect the north side of Israel to the south side of Israel on either side of the expressway

(g) build an all encompassing electronic fence that completely separates Israel from the West Bank, the Gaza strip and the GS-WB Expressway

(h) directly aid the Palestinians to improve their economy.....aid should not go through the Palestinian government

(i) give incentives to American and Israeli corporations to help the Palestinian economy by creating jobs in Palestine

(j) the leaders of Israel, the Palestinian Authority, the political leaders of Hamas, Al-Aqsa Brigade and Islamic Jihad should be financially compensated in order to expedite the Israeli-Palestinian solution as soon as possible.......terrorists who are murderers would be covertly apprehended at a later date for a secret trial and secret detention.......if the well compensated political leaders of Hamas, Al-Aqsa Brigade and Islamic Jihad (who do not have blood on their hands) prove to be truly peaceful in the post-solution era than any secret US tribunal would consider the future peaceful actions of secretly indicted leaders as mitigating facts that might postpone the execution of any covert operations to apprehend those leaders.

(7) MAKING PEACE WITH ALL OUR ENEMIES IS THE KEY TO SUCCESS.....REMEMBER THESE PEOPLE, WHETHER RIGHTLY OR WRONGLY, FEEL THAT WE HAVE HUMILIATED THEM ENOUGH, SO THEY ARE FIGHTING BACK.....for example, the humiliation and anger the Muslims felt when "infidel" US troops were stationed in "holy" Saudi Arabia is what led to the attacks on September 11, 2001.........AFTER THE US WITHDRAWS MILITARILY FROM THE MIDDLE EAST, THE CIA THROUGH ITS MASSIVE COVERT OPERATIONS WOULD PREVENT TRULY DANGEROUS CHARACTERS FROM ASSUMING TOO MUCH POWER......PEOPLE LIKE HITLER WOULD HAVE NO CHANCE TO GAIN POWER IF APPREHENDED EARLY THROUGH COVERT CIA OPERATIONS.

(8) COVERTLY AT A MUCH LATER DATE WHEN OSAMA BIN LADEN IS NOT HIDING FROM US BECAUSE HE THINKS HE IS FREE TO ROAM ABOUT THE MIDDLE EAST, BRING HIM TO JUSTICE THROUGH CIA COVERT OPERATIONS TO A SECRET TRIAL IN THE US........covert operations should be used for all potential "Hitlers" .........truly dangerous people who incite violence, violate democratic principles, are very influential and advocate the overthrow of the government........this would have included Lenin, Tojo, Mao, Saddam, Charles Manson etc..for example, when Saddam Hussein fled to Egypt because the coup in Iraq failed, we could have sent our intelligence operatives to Egypt to lure Saddam and his thugs to a "safe" country where we could have arrested him

(9) MEDIA IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND ALL ENEMY NATION STATES INCLUDING THE MOSQUES AND RELIGIOUS SCHOOLS SHOULD BE INFLUENCED AND FINANCIALLY CONTROLLED BY THE US THROUGH THE CIA COVERTLY .......WE BASICALLY SHOULD financially compensate THE LEADERS IN ENEMY NATION STATES TO ALLOW US TO INFLUENCE THEIR MEDIA AND INSTITUTIONS OF POWER AND INFLUENCE

(10) COMPENSATE ALL AMERICAN FAMILIES AND FAMILIES IN THE MIDDLE EAST WHO HAVE HAD LOVED ONES KILLED BY TERRORISTS....EXPLAIN THROUGH THE AMERICAN MEDIA THAT WE ARE NOT SOFT ON TERRORISM BUT WE ARE COVERTLY SOLVING THE PROBLEM OF TERRORISM....THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WILL UNDERSTAND THAT TERRORISM NEEDS TO BE FOUGHT COVERTLY TO PREVENT THE SPREAD OF TERRORISM.

(11) the US president will only meet with a head of a terrorist state (eg the former Soviet Union) only after US government officials meets with the political wing of the dictator (who do not have blood on their hands) without pre-conditions and then at the meeting, the US government will set forth the conditions under which US financial, non-military security and economic support will flow and if it is accepted by the political wing, our support will only be towards the political wing until the dictator takes concrete steps towards democracy and human rights reforms and only then will the US President meet face to face with the reformed dictator in order to push for further democratic and human rights reforms while CIA covert operatives make sure that the dictator's life is protected from rebels further giving proof that the US is on the side of the reformed dictator while CIA psychiatrists put the dictator through various psychological therapies in order to further facilitate democratic and human rights reforms

TERRORISTS WITH ENORMOUS POWER LIKE KIM JONG IL SHOULD BE BASICALLY COMPENSATED FINANCIALLY AND IN RETURN HE WILL ALLOW OUR CIA TO BE EMBEDDED WITH HIS INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES TO ASSURE HIS SECURITY AND THAT NO HUMAN RIGHTS ARE VIOLATED....

...AT THE SAME TIME THE CIA WILL ALSO BE COVERTLY IN HIS COUNTRY MONITORING ANY INSURGENCY ACTIVITY AND IF AN INSURGENT IS POWERFUL AND VIOLENT ENOUGH, COVERT CIA OPERATIONS WILL TAKE CARE OF THE INSURGENCY AND FURTHER GIVE PROOF TO KIM JONG IL THAT WE ARE ON HIS SIDE AND HE DOES NOT HAVE TO TAKE DRASTIC AND CRUEL MEASURES TO STAY IN POWER....

..for example a little diplomacy that Madeline Albright did by visiting Kim Jong Il impressed him so much that he even invited President Clinton to visit North Korea.........if a little diplomacy bears fruit, can you imagine what an intensive and thorough form of diplomatic initiatives can produce ?...
...........THESE MEASURES SHOULD BE ADOPTED IN EVERY ENEMY NATION STATE...........WHICH ARE....SECURITY ASSURANCES, FINANCIAL INCENTIVES, COVERT AND OVERT CIA OPERATIONS AND VIGOROUS AND CONSTANT DIPLOMACY...........BASICALLY EVERY TERRORIST LEADER WHO IS RULING A COUNTRY WILL UNDERGO LONG TERM DIPLOMATIC AND PSYCHOLOGICAL THERAPY UNDER THE SPONSORSHIP OF THE CIA WHILE THE CIA CONTINUES VIGOROUS COVERT AND OVERT OPERATIONS TO MAINTAIN SECURITY IN THE ENEMY NATION.........REMEMBER, WE NEED TO KEEP OUR FRIENDS CLOSE BUT OUR ENEMIES CLOSER......

While each powerful dictator has been co-opted and on the CIA payroll, the US government should give the dictator every kind of incentive to push for democratic and human rights reforms in his country

....ALL AREAS THAT HAVE BIOLOGICAL, CHEMICAL AND NUCLEAR WEAPONS WILL BE SATURATED WITH OUR CIA OPERATIONS.....

....WHILE CONVINCING THE LEADERS THROUGH FINANCIAL AND SECURITY ASSURANCES THAT THEY DO NOT NEED TO PURSUE CHEMICAL, BIOLOGICAL AND NUCLEAR PROGRAMS

(12) The US government should have a comprehensive whistleblower program whereby whistleblowers in the military/industrial/security complex will be protected from backlash just like US spies are protected as to source and methods.

For example, the whistleblower in the Abu Ghraib scandal had to relocate himself to a secret location due to fear of being killed due to the fact that his name was released by Defense Secretary Rumsfeld. The practice of the releasing of names of whistleblowers in order to prevent future whistleblowers from coming forward; that practise should be stopped.

Whistle blowers in the military/industrial/security complex should be encouraged to come forward and rewarded for their actions whenever they can prove any wrong doing between the military/industrial complex and politicians

(13) Payments to victims of collateral damage should be increased from the present $2500 to at least $100,000 per victim so that politcians will realize the enormous cost of war and its effects.

In this iraq war, as of 2006, its been estimated that as many as 655000 civilians have lost their lives and even though most of the victims are victims of terrorists, nevertheless, if the US was not in Iraq, Saddam in the whole of 1998 killed 2000 political dissidents and there is no reason to believe Saddam could have killed any number more than 2000 in 2006 if he was still in power.

The US paid victims of the attacks on September 11, 2001 about 1.3 million each, even though the US did not cause the deaths of the victims on September 11, 2001, so likewise, the US is responsible in paying the $100,000 for every victim of this unecessary Iraq war and payments could total to $65.5 billion dollars and this kind of cost will make politicians think twice about starting wars.

(14) Ban the sale of weapons and weapons systems to any country. The collateral damage caused by US made weapons further enrages people whose families are victims of collateral damage due to US made weapons and terrorists use collateral damage as a recruiting tool for more terrorists.

(15) Curriculum in schools should have compulsory subjects talking about blow back, post traumatic disorders experienced by both soldiers and innocent kids in war zones plus the importance of making sure that both the security cleared staff of the intelligence committees in the house and senate are able to see everything the president sees from the CIA in real time .

wounded veterans should be allowed to talk to school kids about their lives after being discharged from the military.

Families of those soldiers deployed overseas should be allowed to talk to school kids about life in the states while their loved ones are deployed overseas.

(16) Both the security cleared staff of the members of the intelligence committees in the house and senate should be able to see everything the president sees from the CIA in real time in order to prevent another gulf of tonkin resolution where the president is able to spin intelligence for his own political ambitions

(17) Liberal immigration policies to allow war zone refugees to enter the US. By allowing all war refugees to enter the US, politicians will realize the enormous costs of waging a war.

As of 2008. millions of Iraqis are either displaced within the country or in neighboring countries and the US government should be supporting all of them on a monthly basis, giving them a basic allowance and promises of rebuilding their homes and finding them jobs after the conflict has been resolved and matching their salaries dollar for dollar up to an amount that gives them a decent standard of living.

Refugees are prime candidates for recruitment by terrorists, so the above incentives will make the refugees think that the US government is on their side and cares about their pitiful plight

(18) All those politicians who are in favor of war; those politicians' kids who are eligible to enrol in the military will be asked to volunteer for the front lines and all those who refuse, their parents' names will be published in newspapers telling people which war mongering poitician kids volunteered for the front lines and which did not; further giving poiticians the incentive not to start wars in the first place.

(19) For soldiers to be truly in a voluntary role, the following should be done by the US government :

(a) stop the massive advertising budget and signing bonuses employed by the US government; if its truly a voluntary service, why entice people to join since people are waiting in line to join the military or at least the politicians will have you believe that

(b) stop giving the impression that the US government is bribing people to join and recruiting stations should not be enticing impressionable high schoolers with promises of tens of thousands of dollars in signing bonuses, school scholarships and grants, glamor and glitz and shiny uniforms and travel and vacations to exotic locations and money and power trips and career advancements and opportunities to play with war "toys"...

High school kids almost always think they are invincible; so it is up to the recruiting station to tell the impressionable high schoolers the reality of being on the front lines and to give them the correct statistics regarding bodily injury or worse at various positions in the military.

(c) before anybody can enrol in the armed forces, they would be required to look at a one hour video at home about the horrors of front line action where they could witness their friends being blown apart or maimed for life and the subsequent collateral damage where the recruit might potentially have to face the families of children killed or maimed for life due to collateral damage and after viewing the video, both the parents and the potential recruit will come to a decision that can be called truly voluntary. Also, the video will contain unedited and frank interviews with severely deformed, maimed and paralyzed soldiers who tell about their experiences in life after having been discharged in order to give volunteers an accurate picture of life after being severely maimed, deformed or paralyzed for life.

(d) Also the recruit will be shown videos of families of soldiers and the hardships they face at home because of their loved ones being deployed overseas and the psychological turmoil of children with dads on the front lines

(e) Before any war or mission is declared, front line soldiers should vote in a secret ballot whether they will be willing to go and die for that particular war

(f) lastly, the paper the recruit finally signs should read that the President will send the recruit into harm's way into wars of choice or necessity

To make sure that those who volunteer in the military, do not allow the recruiters to make the potential recruiters think that the armed forces is just about school scholarships and grants, glamor and glitz and shiny uniforms and travel and vacations to exotic locations and money and power trips and career advancements and opportunities to play with war "toys"...

High school kids almost always think they are invincible; so it is up to the recruiting station to tell the impressionable high schoolers the reality of being on the front lines and to give them the correct statistics regarding bodily injury or worse at various positions in the military.

.. before anybody can enrol in the armed forces, they would be required to look at a one hour video at home about the horrors of front line action where they could witness their friends being blown apart or maimed for life and the subsequent collateral damage where the recruit might potentially have to face the families of children killed or maimed for life due to collateral damage and after viewing the video, both the parents and the potential recruit will come to a decision that can be called truly voluntary. Also, the video will contain unedited and frank interviews with severely deformed, maimed and paralyzed soldiers who tell about their experiences in life after having been discharged in order to give volunteers an accurate picture of life after being severely maimed, deformed or paralyzed for life.

(20) To have a reasonable advertising budget and no signing bonuses. Since the military says that Americans are patriotic, why have signing bonuses ?

Why is it that the military is probably the only US organization that spends vast amounts of money on advertising on tv for jobs and recruiting bonuses when they keep telling us that Americans are patriotic and are eager to join and if Americans are truly eager to join, why the huge advertising budget and the massive signing bonuses ?

Does it not give the impression that Americans join because of enticements and if the military wants the public to think otherwise and wants the public to think that Americans join due to patriotism, duty and honor, should they not get rid of massive advertising for jobs and get rid of huge signing bonuses ?

All major companies in the US do not advertise for jobs on tv and they do not have massive signing bonuses and one would think that Americans are more patriotic in joining regular corporations than joining the military.

(21) Before any war is declared, front line soldiers should be given an opportunity to voice their opinions through a secret ballot (since they are the ones who will bear the brunt of any war)

Before any war, permanently disabled veterans who have experienced front line action should be allowed to vote by secret ballot in order to voice their opinion about any decision to go to war because politicians need to know the realities of war and whether they are willing deliberately put into harm's way soldiers who will be the future badly wounded veterans

Conducting regular surveys in war zones to find out the effects of war on the soldiers and the children in war zones and also long term surveys of veterans of war to find out why so many veterans end up either getting divorced, committing suicide, drug addicted or homeless. These surveys will help politicians realize the enormous physical, emotional and mental costs that war inflicts on all those in the war zones.

soldiers in a war zone are constantly under stress and many shoot first and then ask questions later. for example, soldiers have been known to clear houses by throwing grenades into them, not knowing who is inside and deaths of unarmed men, women, children and babies have been reported .

Collateral killings only serve as recruiting propaganda for terrorists and the enemies of the US; so sending our troops overseas should be avoided at all costs

(22) Greatly expanding the veterans budget will help reduce the backlog of 600000 claims and also make politicians realize the enormous cost of war and the resulting hundreds of thousands of veterans who need help with post-traumatic disorders and being maimed for life and having to take care of veterans throughout their lives so they do not end up homeless or committing suicide.

As of 2007, its estimated that it will take about 500 billion to adequately take care of veterans including lifetime treatment for posttraumatic disorders. Expanding the veterans budget will also make politicians think twice about going to war.

(23) CONVINCE ALL THOSE WHO BENEFIT FROM PERPETUAL WAR INCLUDING THINK TANKS AND NATION BUILDING RECONSTRUCTION COMPANIES THAT PEACE BRINGS MORE PROSPERITY AND RAISES THE STANDARD OF LIVING FOR EVERYBODY AND THEY NEED TO CONCENTRATE ON PROJECTS AND BUSINESSES THAT DO NOT ENGAGE IN THE BUSINESS OF PERPETUAL WAR AND THEY SHOULD DIVERSIFY THEIR INTERESTS AND NOT JUST CONCENTRATE ON ALLOWING CONDITIONS TO PREVAIL THAT LEAD TO WAR........ONE GOOD EXAMPLE OF THINK TANKS THAT BENEFIT FROM PERPETUAL WAR COULD BE SEEN IN THE ANSWER THAT 1500 EXPERTS GAVE THE 911 COMMISSION ON TERRORIST ATTACKS.........ALL 1500 EXPERTS TOLD THE COMMISSION THAT WE CANNOT DO ANYTHING THAT WOULD CAUSE THE TERRORISTS NOT TO WANT TO ATTACK US

ALSO CONVINCE THE AMERICAN INDUSTRIAL DEFENSE COMPLEX TO CONCENTRATE ON MAKING EQUIPMENT FOR COVERT CIA OPERATIONS AND NOT WASTE TIME AND MONEY ON COSTLY WEAPONS SYSTEMS THAT CAN ONLY BE GEARED TOWARDS A MAJOR WAR

CONVINCE ALL DEFENSE CONTRACTORS THAT WAR IS NOT THE ANSWER AND IF WE HAVE A LONG TERM PEACE, EVERYBODY BENEFITS AND THAT THE WORLD WOULD BE A MUCH MORE PROSPEROUS AND HAPPIER PLACE WITHOUT WAR OR THE THREAT OF WAR.
IF WE CAN REDUCE THE INFLUENCE OF THE INDUSTRIAL DEFENSE COMPLEX LOBBY , THE NATION BUILDING RECONSTRUCTION COMPANIES AND ALL THOSE WHO BENEFIT FROM PERPETUAL WAR AND THEIR LOBBYISTS IN CONGRESS, WE WILL GO A LONG WAY TO AVERTING ALL OUT WAR

(24) We should concentrate on making sure that terrorists do not get a hold of radiological material in order to make a dirty bomb. The CIA has prevented transit of nuclear material from the former Soviet republics and from Pakistan. We should make sure that all fissile material and nuclear material be secured instead of spending our precious time in going to war.

(25) Before implementing point 25, the US should adopt the foreign policy of Switzerland which showed its expertise in making peace and was not invaded by Germany in World War Two and even has an embassy in Iran today.

A neutral US would benefit everybody and make possible the role of the US as a true peacemaker and an honest broker in making peace between enemies and allow for the free access of US goods and services throughout the world including enemy states which in turn will improve the living standards of all Americans in the long run.

Following the model of Switzerland, the US government, instead of spending $500 on unnecessary defense, the US government should spend between 50 and 100 billion on equipping and training state militias along the lines of Switzerland to concetrate on true defense and not be able to employ our troops overseas because overseas deployment actually creates too much collateral damage since the military is geared mostly for war.

(26) While the defense/industrial/security complex enjoys the profits that come from war, the larger economy suffers as resources are directed towards the military/industrial/security complex ;

so the US government should redirect wasteful defense dollars to areas of research in various sectors that will lead to cheaper gas, more sophisticated technology that is demanded world wide, medical breakthroughs in curing cancer and other deadly diseases, safer and cleaner air, water, food etc

The US should give financial incentives to US corporations to develop and create jobs in all areas of the world that are prone to being influenced by terrorists or potential dictators

(27) Not a single sanction against any country because sanctions only hurt the people but not the regime. This includes embargoes, boycotts of goods and services.

Example : The Olympics in China should not be boycotted but particpants can wear tibetan arm bands showing solidarity with the Tibetan people

(28) In the long run, just like we have banned the proliferation of nuclear weapons, the major powers should agree to ban all weapons of all kinds, from missiles to bombs. from tanks to fighter planes, from every country on earth.

All dual use facilities that can be used to produce weapons will be internationalized and secured by the US/UN armed police. Only the US/UN armed police will have more firepower than the regular police in each country.

The US ,in March 2007, warned China not to produce an offensive capability but the US has to go one step further in abolishing all weapons and weapons systems on the face of the earth including all US weapons and weapons systems.

A FEW EXAMPLES OF THE NUMEROUS BENEFITS OF PEACE INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING:

(a) Not living in fear anymore is a great
dividend that peace will bring. Not having to
look over our shoulders every time we visit the
Middle East or any area where terrorists are
known to operate in (which is basically now
everywhere including Europe ). Not living in
fear anymore would result in a happier and
healthier life for everybody including little
children who have been always traumatized for
life due to constant conflict or war. During
the bombing of Baghdad, the shock and awe
resulted in children having to be medicated due
to the trauma of constant bombings.

(b) Better lasting and expanded roads, bridges (a research report in 2007 stated that one in four bridges are structurally deficient)
tunnels and utility infrastructure that does
not break down easily, greatly eases traffic
congestion ( no more frustration in waiting in
stop and go traffic ) and far fewer
electricity blackouts
(no spoiled food in the refrigerator because of
a electricity black out)

(c) Better health care for everybody

(d) Lower taxes

(e) Better distribution of wealth which raises the standard of living for everybody

(f) Cheaper gas and utility bills

(g) greater funding at the local level so that police do not have to be overzealous in giving out traffic tickets for minor infractions to supplement the local budget

(h) Healthier environment because of greater research dollars resulting in breakthroughs in the areas of pollution control of the air, water and environment we live in

(i) the more spent on medical research might result in greater breakthroughs in medicine. An example in breakthroughs can be seen in the Christopher Reeves Foundation for spinal cord injuries. BECAUSE OF EXTRA FUNDING FROM THE REEVES FAMILY IN THE AREA OF SPINAL CORD INJURIES, MANY PARALYZED PEOPLE ARE BEGINNING TO ACTUALLY WALK. BY DIVERTING VALUABLE RESOURCES FROM DEFENSE APPROPRIATIONS TO MEDICINE, WE CAN HOPE TO SEE MANY MORE BREAKTHROUGHS and happier lives.

(j) the more money spent on technological research will result in products that could raise the standards of living of everybody

(k) the more money spent on Internet and computer technology would result in a greater number of people benefiting from breakthroughs that result in a much faster and efficient Internet and much faster speeds in downloading, viewing pages and far fewer crashes and congestion problems on the Internet

(L) THE WORLD WOULD TRULY BE ASTOUNDED THAT WE
ARE WILLING TO BE TRULY ANTI-WAR AND A PEACE
LOVING EMPIRE WHICH NO EMPIRE IN HISTORY HAS
EVER DONE..........THE ADMIRATION FOR THE US
WOULD INCREASE TREMENDOUSLY AROUND THE WORLD IF
WE HAVE THE SKILLS TO KEEP THE PEACE WITHOUT
WAR AND DO EVERYTHING WITHIN OUR POWER TO
PREVENT THE ABORTION OF OUR BABIES........SO
MANKIND CAN TRULY ACCOMPLISH THINGS THAT NO
PREVIOUS GENERATION COULD ACCOMPLISH IN EVERY
AREA OF SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY

(m) Our soldiers would thank us if we have the
skills to maintain the peace without war
because its cruel sending our soldiers
deliberately into harm's way because war brings
post traumatic disorders to numerous soldiers
who end up addicted to drugs or dying from
suicide or suicide by cop or divorced or having
sweat drenched nightmares or being depressed or
becoming homeless. One-third of homeless people
are veterans of previous wars including the
gulf war

(n) War corrupts even the best of people. war can bring out the worst in even good people. Good US soldiers have been known to torture and rape innocent girls in war zones and if we want to keep bringing out the best in our soldiers, we need to prevent war

(o) World wide peace will result in good will
towards America and an increase in American
goods and services being consumed by those who
are thankful to America for bringing peace to
the world without war.

(p) The more people who are saved due to peace
throughout the world, the greater the number of
people who need goods and services and this
will benefit American companies in selling
their goods and services to the third world

IN CLOSING :

Even though the rich and powerful are clamoring

and persuading their politician friends to

eventually spend trillions of dollars like they

spent wastefully on the cold war in order to

enrich their political supporters who are

owners of the defense/industrial/security

complex, but the wasteful spending cannot

adequately protect every railroad, power

station, power grid, nuclear reactor, cargo

container, school, university, mall, bridge,

tunnel ,dam , air plane , ship , multi-storey

building, theme park or a location where

thousands of people gather..

On 4/16/07 at Virginia Tech University, 32 people died

from gun shot wounds suffered at the hands of one

gun man. Can we protect the thousands of colleges in

the US if terrorists targeted US colleges ?

......IN ORDER TO ADEQUATELY PROTECT ALL THE

ABOVE....WE NEED TO IMPLEMENT THE 28 POINT PLAN

AND IN SO DOING, WE CAN RELEASE VALUABLE

RESOURCES TO PROJECTS THAT WILL TRULY BENEFIT A

MUCH LARGER SEGMENT OF THE POPULATION THAN WHAT

IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW..

During World War One on christmas day,

the "evil" german soldiers

came out of their trenches risking their lives

and defying orders in order shake hands with

the "enemy" the british soldiers who could have

easily shot them out of fear, but both sides

emerged from their trenches to shake hands

during christmas day

the "evil" german soldiers had hands just as

warm and just as much made of flesh and blood

hands that used to hold their children close

not evil hands but hands reaching out in friendship

.....it goes to show that if only we can for one

moment think about situations from the "enemies"

point of view we will be able to see them also as human beings with

the same aspirations and goals that we have

but the rich and powerful on both sides will never let this happen

because they know that war will bring about the spoils of war and

allowing the soldiers to see that their enemy is not evil but

actually just as human as they are and probably the enemy

soldiers were in the war due to being forced to fight or due to the

stockholm syndrome that developed a connection to the dictatorship

due to propaganda and brainwashing techniques that even the US

military uses on recruits and so one can see why the rich and

powerful on either side do not want their soldiers to think of the

other side as human.

the rich and powerful will never let this happen because the rich

and powerful who own the defense/industrial/security complex know

that through war can they keep getting richer and more powerful.

Every time you see a child weeping and crying

uncontrollably and visibly traumatized by war or

terrorism because of either her parents being

killed or maimed and deformed for life due to a

bomb, your heart goes out to that child and all

the thousands of children affected by war and

If the chicken hawks, before sending our

soldiers deliberately into harm's way, would

just look into the eyes of the children of the

country they were going to bomb and think of

those children as one of their own children,

they just might reverse their position and do

everything within their power to prevent war.

IF YOU KNEW THAT YOUR ACTIONS WOULD GUARANTEE

THE DEATH OF AT LEAST ONE INNOCENT CHILD,

WOULD YOU CONTINUE WITH YOUR ACTIONS OR WOULD

YOU DO EVERYTHING WITHIN YOUR POWER TO LOOK FOR

ALTERNATIVE SOLUTIONS ?

WAR GUARANTEES THE DEATH OF JUST NOT ONE

INNOCENT CHILD BUT THOUSANDS AND EVEN TENS OF

THOUSANDS OR MORE INNOCENT CHILDREN AND BABIES.

WAR IS NOT THE SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEM.....

.........WAR IS THE PROBLEM.

DDA,

You really have nothing to worry about if the US govt implements the following steps :

(1) Co-opt all muslim leaders and have them on the CIA payroll

(2) Use the US rendition program to go after truly dangerous individuals and the next "hitler"

(3) Drastically change the US govt's foreign policy to approximate that of Switzerland's foreign policy where no terrorist attacks take place

(4) Push for reforms in the muslim world to approximate the numerous muslim countries that do not have sharia as the law

(5) Implement the 28 point peace plan :

http://www.bernardgoldberg.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=30488&p=83949#p83949

The fact is that American Presidents, including President Reagan, have been informed by the CIA that Saudi Arabia is not dangerous to world peace and that is why the US govt has ties to Saudi Arabia and numerous other muslim countries that are not a danger to world peace.

I can assure you, you are more in danger from your fellow citizens than any muslim terrorist

And you are more in danger from everyday household items or foods that you eat that can have deadly consequences either in the short term or long term.

And you are more in danger of getting cancer because cancer is the result of hate that consumes the soul.

So you would be better off concentrating on the true dangers to your health and safety and not "cooked up dangers from Islam" that only benefit the profit agenda of the bloated, greedy, corrupt military/industrial pork laden corporate welfare entitlement complex where here in the US the complex is looting the US govt of 68 cents of every hard earned tax dollar amounting to over a trillion dollars a year.

As I have been blessed by God and I am prosperous, you too can be blessed by God if you become a peacemaker

DDA,

Hitler assumed that all jews thought alike.

You cannot assume that all muslims think alike and in fact one muslim told me that within sunni islam there are like 100 different sects, just as the numerous denominations in Christianity.

The reason Hitler was able to hijack German democracy is by convincing the Germans that all Jews thought alike and that Jews were going to annihilate the German nation but even if some jews did want to control Germany and subjugate the German people, that is not what most Jews are like.

Indicting an entire race or religion for the crimes of a few is what leads to fear mongering, hate and eventual genocide as what happened in Germany where innocent jewish children were murdered because of what a tiny minority of jews might be plotting against the German people

DDA,

Numerous non-muslim soldiers have killed their fellow soldiers in the US military compared to muslim soldiers killing their fellow American soldiers

ref : http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/1106/p02s10-usmi.html

Indicting all 3500 American muslim soldiers for the crimes of one soldier is what Hitler did when he indicted all jews for the crimes one jew who was involved in an assassination of a German diplomat

DDA,

How do you explain the existence of non-Sharia states ?