The three men in this clip fall over themselves to make sure that nobody thinks the Fort Hood massacre has anything to Islam. So Nidal Hasan passed out Korans on the morning of his mass murders! So what? Tim McVeigh!
Here is a good summary of how this attack had nothing to do with Islam.
Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC) also says: "Let's don't accuse people of basically giving him a pass cause he's a Muslim, cause I don't think there's any evidence of that."
Senator Jack Reed (D-RI): Muslims have served selflessly in the U.S. Military, and therefore, "this is not about theology, this is about doing your duty as a soldier."
Yet theology keeps coming up. The problem, of course, is that so many Muslims point to Islamic texts and teachings to justify violence and supremacism. But that, of course, is never mentioned here.
In March 2009, five Muslims accused of helping plot the September 11 attacks, including the notorious Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, wrote an "Islamic Response to the Government's Nine Accusations." In it they quote the Koran to justify their jihad war against the American Infidels. "In God's book," asserts the letter, "he ordered us to fight you everywhere we find you, even if you were inside the holiest of all holy cities, The Mosque in Mecca, and the holy city of Mecca, and even during sacred months. In God's book, verse 9 [actually verse 5], Al-Tawbah [the Koran's 9th chapter]: Then fight and slay the pagans wherever you find them, and seize them, and besiege them and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush."
Osama bin Laden's communiqués have also quoted the Koran copiously. In his 1996 "Declaration of War against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places," he quotes seven Koran verses: 3:145; 47:4-6; 2:154; 9:14; 47:19; 8:72; and the notorious "Verse of the Sword," 9:5. Bin Laden began his October 6, 2002, letter to the American people with two Koran quotations, both of a martial bent: "Permission to fight (against disbelievers) is given to those (believers) who are fought against, because they have been wronged and surely, Allah is Able to give them (believers) victory" (22:39) and "Those who believe, fight in the Cause of Allah, and those who disbelieve, fight in the cause of Taghut (anything worshipped other than Allah e.g. Satan). So fight you against the friends of Satan; ever feeble is indeed the plot of Satan" (4:76)."
In a sermon broadcast in 2003, bin Laden rejoiced in a Koranic exhortation to violence as being a means to establish the truth: "Praise be to Allah who revealed the verse of the Sword to his servant and messenger [the Islamic Prophet Muhammad], in order to establish truth and abolish falsehood." The "Verse of the Sword" is Koran 9:5: "Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."
The idea that the Koran commands them to do violence to unbelievers runs from the very top of the international jihadist movement - Osama bin Laden - down to the rank and file. Overall, it is extremely rare - if not impossible - to find a jihadist who does not cite the Koran to justify his actions. Britain-based jihadist preacher, Abu Yahya, asserts simply, "It says in the Koran that we must try as much as we can to terrorise the enemy." And Pakistani jihad leader Beitullah Mehsud claims that "Allah on 480 occasions in the Holy Koran extols Muslims to wage jihad. We only fulfill God's orders. Only jihad can bring peace to the world." He specified that his jihad - struggle in Arabic - was an offensive military operation: "We will continue our struggle until foreign troops are thrown out. Then we will attack them in the US and Britain until they either accept Islam or agree to pay jazia." The "jazia," or jizya, is a tax that the Koran (9:29) specifies must be levied on Jews, Christians, and some other non-Muslim faiths as a sign of their subjugation under the Islamic social order.
One pro-Osama website put it this way: "The truth is that a Muslim who reads the Koran with devotion is determined to reach the battlefield in order to attain the reality of Jihad. It is solely for this reason that the Kufaar [unbelievers] conspire to keep the Muslims far away from understanding the Koran, knowing that Muslims who understand the Koran will not distance themselves from Jihad."
(Video thanks to Christopher.)
What kind of environment do we need to have them discuss the truth? More jihad murders?
Do any of those in the government, any of those in the mass media who interview those in the government, feel they have, in late 2009, any responsibility at all, however eensy-weensy, to find out about Islam, to study the texts and tenets of Islam, before making pronouncements about Islam and about Muslims? Anyone at all? Anywhere?
Graham is an idiot...What does he really know about Islam?
These mental midgets are getting more people killed by their irresponsible defense of anything Islam.
If Graham likes Islam so much, I'm sure there's a mosque near him, he can go there and make his conversion official...
NPR did a long write-up this morning that was just as obfuscating. At the end, the article cites "a series of unrelated factors" that precluded a proper investigation of Hasan at Walter Reed.
Among the "unrelated factors" was...
a) pushing a board of inquiry was too bureaucratically cumbersome
b) he was to be transferred to Fort Hood anyway
c) fears of accusations of discrimination
Examine the three factors and determine for yourself if A or B make any real sense. Of course they don't, but they allowed NPR to dilute for its readers the ACTUAL factor involved.
Hugh wrote:
Do any of those in the government, any of those in the mass media who interview those in the government, feel they have, in late 2009, any responsibility at all, however eensy-weensy, to find out about Islam, to study the texts and tenets of Islam, before making pronouncements about Islam and about Muslims? Anyone at all? Anywhere?
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Well, there does seem to be one, at least:
"Rep. Pete Hoekstra, the top Republican on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, tells Newsmax that the White House intervened to keep him from obtaining critical information regarding the Fort Hood murders.
The Michigan legislator also warned that "homegrown jihadism" is a real threat to the U.S., and said a thorough investigation of Major Nidal Hasan, the Army psychiatrist accused of the Fort Hood massacre, would help authorities learn how to deal with it."
Hoekstra actually *uses the term "Jihad"*.
http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/hoekstra_obama_fort_hood/2009/11/10/284539.html
I fail to see why Islamaniacs would want to convert "infidels" at all given the sheer stupidity and ignorance displayed by the likes of Graham and other ostriches like him. How would converting such morons enhance their ranks other than to let them gloat about expanding their numbers? Maybe those of us who know jihad when we see it would benefit from a mass conversion to the Koran by the Grahams in our midst-they could only weaken the jihadist movement with their mindless idiocy and leave the rest of us unfettered in combatting the jihadist menace.
When he fires his lawyer because he's not a muslim.....when he shouts allahu akbar from the defense table... and when he looks them in the eye and tells them that islam compelled him to committ the murders...the government and msm will still say it's not about his faith.
JLP
I am truly embarrased that this tool is from my state...
I wonder how many of us are aware of this? and apparently it was done under the radar at the same time NadaL Hasan was committing his massacre.
This is from a piece written by Cal Thomas today on Fox News entitled " JIHADIST IN MILITARY PLAYING U.S. FOR SUCKERS"
." Last week, the House Judiciary Committee, dominated by liberal Democrats, defied the White House and removed from the USA Patriot Act a tool for tracking non-U.S. citizens in anti-terrorism investigations"
We are being lead by politicians who live by the strange illusion that there is not a problem within.
"What kind of environment do we need to have them discuss the truth? More jihad murders?"
I have become convinced that those traitors in the white house have a started a jihad of there own, on the American people.
"A crisis is to big of an opportunity to miss it allows you to do things that you usually could not do."
Rahm Emanuel.
Jihad is a perfect way to create "a crisis" with out actually doing anything other than allowing it to happen.
Why try to stop something that creates the atmosphere of "change" allowing these traitors to dispose of American sovereignty, the constitution, and civil liberties?
I don't know if Barack Hussein Obama, is a muslem, what I do know is that he is a traitor, who funds terrorism. At the expense of the American people.
Jihad IS the "hope, and change" that Obama was talking about during his campaign for the POTUS.
"Abolishing the Constitution? Yes we can."
"Destroying American sovereignty? Yes we can."
"Murdering Jews, and Christians? Yes we can."
"All fired up. Ready to go."
Nice post Graven.
We all know that Republicans are also inured with political-correctness, but some commentators here draw an equivalency between the parties on this issue that is hardly fair-minded. Hoekstra, Santorum, Tancredo and several other Republicans see Islam much the way we do. One would be hard-pressed to find a single Democrat who does.
Graham has his moments of clarity and once in a while I wonder if his heart might not be in the right place after all.
But by and large he strikes me as a silly bugger. FAR too concerned with being nice.
And FAR too casual about the defense of our rights ... and I'm referring to ALL our rights, in this particular case I mean our right to walk around alive. It's, um ... uh, basic.
The bleeding hearts of political correctness is alive and well in America.
While these old boys bounce their obsolete unclarified ideas off each other, this is THE WAY I AM HEARING them:
Those who are fighting against Islamic supremacism, those trying to protect their culture, religion, family and traditions now and for future generations from the inevitably destructive and oppressive blackstonianism. Those who patiently are learning the truth of its convoluted tenets and violent history and are thus teaching others are just WRONG.
Without discussion, though logic, study and experience have taught otherwise-they are saying-you are WRONG.
My reaction to them is simply-YOU ARE IRRELEVANT.
ITS POLITICAL CORRECTNESS RUN A MOCK as it has for many years now. So fearful are they in not labeling Muslims that they choose to take the factual realities off the table that drive Muslims like the jihadist Major Nidal Hasan. They choose to ignore,and dismiss the 164 jihadist versus that Nidal Hasan was following in the Qu'ran on his murderous rampage.
We can no longer look to our media,our politicians for true leadership on this extremely serious matter anymore. The PC media is deeply at fault since they continue to take the obvious facts that are in the Qu'ran off the table as well.
We have seen very few experts over the past several days on the media; why is that? There is clearly an intrinsic fear among media,politicians,as well as military to address the real factual truth about Hasan's jihadist massacre in the name of allah..
The truth of the matter and the truth of the source must be fully vetted whether it offends Muslims or not. We need Muslims to be held accountable for what is promoted in the Qu'ran, we need to stop cowering as we did with the Mohammed cartoon, as we do with GTMO,and the handling of the Quran, we need to demand that Muslim leaders be held accountable for what is promoted in this dangerous and unchanging archaic book.
Remember these guys at election time.
Good point re. Hoekstra.
I hope all American jihadwatchers here - especially and most particularly those of you who reside within Rep. Hoekstra's district (is that the right word? in Australia we say 'electorate') will be writing to him to express support.
You could always send him, just for inspiration, a copy of the statement by Australian politican Mr Fred Nile, Member of the Legislative Council of the State of New South Wales, which Mr Nile, a former army officer, made almost as soon as it became known that the Ft Hood massacre had been carried out by a Muslim:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/11/09/2737866.htm?section=justin
'Muslims in ranks a recipe for disaster: Nile
'Christian Democrat MP Fred Nile has warned of the risks of allowing Muslims to serve in Australia's armed forces.
'Reverend Nile says last week's killing spree in the United States in which an army officer shot dead 13 people should cause "all associated with the free world's military forces to feel serious concern".
'The NSW MP and former army officer said the Australian Defence Force could already harbour Muslim personnel who may be a threat to their comrades in arms.
"Australians would like to be assured that our defence forces have in place a system of assessment and review which would identify any person whose adherence to any alien ideology might one day override loyalty to mates and loyalty to the Crown," Mr Nile said.
"There is an argument for suggesting that the safety and morale of our troops may warrant a ban on dedicated Muslims joining the armed forces, who may be influenced by Islamic fundamentalism."
Here's how The Australian, our only 'national' newspaper, headlined the same report:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/breaking-news/forces-at-risk-with-muslims-in-ranks/story-fn3dxity-1225795879707
"Forces 'at risk' with Muslims in ranks".
Maybe Rep Hoekstra might like to pick up on Mr Nile's plainly-stated words of warning.
I *think*, though I am not sure, that Mr Nile is the only politician in the entire Western world who has come right out and said what so many in the various kafir militaries may be thinking while they lie awake in their beds o' nights, after Fort Hood.
Maybe Geert Wilders will take it up, too, and run with it.
My only quibble with Mr Nile is that he spoke of '*dedicated* Muslims' who 'may be influenced by Islamic fundamentalism'...but if while excluding the 'dedicated' Muslims one continues to let into the Infidel army and police force the *apparently* 'non-dedicated' or 'slack' or 'MINO' Muslims, how can know that all of these 'non-dedicated' Muslims in fact...are what they seem? How does one distinguish the genuinely non-zealous who will permanently remain so, from the non-zealous who will suddenly at some point *become* zealous (and pull a 'Major Hasan'), and from the zealous-pretending-not-to-be, who are smiling and hiding their zeal and biding their time till they get an opportunity for deadly treachery or spectacular mass-murder, far more propitious than that which was seized by Major Hasan?
One pro-Osama website put it this way: "The truth is that a Muslim who reads the Koran with devotion is determined to reach the battlefield in order to attain the reality of Jihad. It is solely for this reason that the Kufaar [unbelievers] conspire to keep the Muslims far away from understanding the Koran, knowing that Muslims who understand the Koran will not distance themselves from Jihad."
I think these ignorant "experts" on islam are simply spewing the requisite PC bullshit but maybe they actually believe if they continue to insist islam is not a pernicious death cult, they will eventually convince muslims. Bin Laden seems to think that the kufars "conspire to keep the muslims from understanding the qur'an".
Lindsay Graham is a paradox. He is strong on national defense and opposed to the horrendous health care reform bill, but supports the cap and trade debacle and amnesty for illegals. The "erudite" talking heads are either consummate actors or arrogant, ignorant fools. I can just picture muslims laughing with glee at their pathetic ignorance about islam and hoping all Americans are equally deluded. They have worked so hard to hide the truth about islam from non-muslims, especially in the countries they have invaded. And sadly, those of us who do know the truth are powerless beyond begging our elected representatives to edify themselves on the subject.
Graham probably found out that effeminates like him would enjoy an endless stream of butch tops if Islam takes over. You can see it in his effeminate face and voice that he never had much testosterone and in his age he probably could not get it up to save his miserable hide, and therefore direct prostate stimulation is his only option. The Muslims would keep her endlessly stimulated. Sure they prefer boys, but they would never turn away an old White closeted queer. Lope up well there Lindsey, you old fruit.
I can't believe these imbeciles represent any of us. Political correctness is forcing them to be blind to the obvious and I guess they're also afraid of repercussions from the pro Jihadi Islamic organizations like CAIR.
Let's get rid of all these jokers including B Hussein and all of his regime. Until that's done we'll be seeing more of the same in the future including jihadi terrorist attacks in the USA by American born Islamic terrorists.