A few years ago when the Muslim cabdrivers at the Minneapolis airport were refusing to carry passengers who had alcohol, several people pointed out that it would set a dangerous precedent to allow cabbies to select passengers according to Sharia rules. If a cabdriver could reject a passenger who was holding a bottle of whiskey, he could reject a passenger who was eating a ham sandwich, or an unmarried couple, or, as here, a gay couple. And the American principle of equality of access would be overthrown in favor of a religious discrimination that would enshrine Islamic law as a higher law than the law of the land.
And that's why Medhat Mohamed needs to lose his job. As long as the law of the U.S. disallows religious discrimination, his action ought to be seen as such and authorities should act accordingly.
"Crabby cabby boots same-sex lovebirds," by Kirsten Fleming, Tom Namako and Reuven Fenton in the New York Post, November 4 (thanks to John):
An overzealous cabby allegedly booted a gay couple when he spotted the duo sharing a warm embrace in the back of his cold car.Paul Bruno and his partner hailed the yellow cab Monday night at 13th Street and First Avenue and sat close, Bruno told The Post.
But the driver, identified by Bruno and city records as Medhat Mohamed, was apparently appalled by their shows of affection -- and pulled the cab over two blocks into the trip.
"You guys have to get out of the taxi! Hugging is not allowed in here!" the driver said, according to Bruno.
Stunned, the lovebirds exited and watched the taxi peel away.
"I was shocked," said Bruno, 27, who called the act "discrimination against homosexuals."
The encounter took place at 10:20 p.m. after the couple attended a birthday dinner and hailed a ride to East Harlem.
"To pull over after two blocks and be so blatantly intolerant is outrageous," Bruno said.
"He needs to exercise the rules in which he was employed a little more closely."
Both men said they hoped other cabbies didn't share the same views on an innocent act.
"I don't know if it was a personal or religious thing. But it's never OK to deny anyone a ride, especially when it's such blatant and direct discrimination," added Bruno, a lifelong city resident....
Salam,
Homosexuality is banned in Islam...thus as a result there are no muslim gays. If this driver is for example came from Pak...he will never have seen two men having a disgusting cuddle.
In his mind's eye, such retinal images are forbidden...he had the intestinal fortitude to drop them off.....Note that he needs every taxi fare going...but money is less important to him than Islam. Hopefully this will go some way to start to have a gay free society.
What a bonzer driver
Taxi-taqiyya...
The cab driver did the right thing...The insult these people presented by their outrageous behavior, caused him to have emotional spasms...It's not wise to drive while having a spasm...By pulling over and kicking them out, he probably prevented an accident...Everyone should thank him for putting public safety first...
"Homosexuality is banned in Islam...thus as a result there are no muslim gays.
Do you want to bet your life on this?
Next time I am in NY I am going to hail a cab and if the driver is a Mo, I will open my jacket revealing a Star of David t-shirt and start gnawing on a ham sandwich. A "kosher" ham sandwich to be sure, but a ham sandwich nonetheless.
A Muslim taxi-cab driver in New York City thinks he can enforce his own Islam-sent rule that "hugging is not allowed in here!" Many could no doubt set him straight on that proposition, and on a lot more that goes on in taxis, as well as on buses, trains, and planes, were we not determinedly dignified and discrete.
Last night I was watching the Rachel Maddow show, which I can only do for about 5 min. max. usually. I was watching the liberal spin on the election, just for laughs. She brought on the subject of "gay" marriage, and was having nice conversations with this guy, when he said all that was needed was dialogue, and people would understand his position. At which time he listed groups of people he thought this dialogue could happen to with to gain allies politically. He listed Muslims as a group of potential allies for gay marriage ... believe it. There was Rachel nodding and grinning, the oh so pious multi-culti smile plastered on. I just had to change the channel, the wife was pissed off .... I told her for the love of sanity I just can't watch this any more. I wonder if Rachel will cover this story?
Bruno?
So could this be Sacha Cohen shooting for Bruno 2, the sequel?
Yom,
Gays are made by Allah, right? Are you saying he keeps screwing up?
You are not kidding anyone with your denial. Only a gay would say 'bonzer'
Plus taxis are heavily regulated and behaviors like this can result in having their medallion (their right to hack) revoked.
Yommie - time for counseling. You are not a well person.
Don't want to burst your bubble, but I bet there a a lot of Gay folk in the land of the Pure.
Around here, N California...cab drivers are independent contractors, who rent/lease the car by the day...They still
have to get a permit from the local police authority...Here they undergo four different background checks by four different police agencies. There are a few basic rules to be followed...'Don't do anything bad for business', and 'be sure and turn the cab cost money in at the end of the day'. The cab driver is not obligated to provide rides for anyone who asks...Obnoxious drunks may not get one block before getting booted...any trouble maker can be ejected...I don't know of any embracing gays, getting kicked out of local cabs...But then, none of the drivers are Mahoundians...
If a cabdriver could reject a passenger who was holding a bottle of whiskey, he could reject a passenger who was eating a ham sandwich, or an unmarried couple, or, as here, a gay couple.
...........................
And, of course, even blind people with guide dogs have been refused service.
Not surprisingly, the repulsive "Yom al Juma" approves, and is not above using appropriated Australian slang to do so—when he refers to this pious Muslim cabbie as a 'bonzer driver'.
Yom doesn't appear to have picked up anything else from the West—such as its values.
I've had Muslim drivers who disapproved of my riding with a cat in their cab—in a secure carrier. My worst experience—which I have recounted here before—was this:
I was returning—ironically, perhaps—from the Daniel Pipes appearance in Berkeley last year with my anti-Jihadist friend, and got a certain driver.
A couple of weeks later, my husband and I got the same driver. It came up in passing that we were a married couple. The driver immediately started to tell my husband that I had been in his cab a couple of weeks before—with another man.
Now, my husband knows all about my friend—who is just a friend, and, moreover, is a gay man. As far as the driver knew, he might have been a relative of mine.
But the driver was *intentionally trying* to upset my husband—and to imply that there was something suspicious about my being in a cab with another man. If my husband had been a different kind of person—the sort of person the cab driver seemed to assume he was—things could have gotten very ugly for me when we got home as a result.
I wasn't able to find out what cab company he drove for—the name of the company didn't have a phone listing that I could find. I worry that this driver has done this same sort of thing before. It reminded me of cases in Europe, where Muslim cab drivers have driven Muslimahs back to their abusers.
I think we are going to see more and more of these disturbing cases.
So, these gays just let this episode die? I would be sueing the cab company and the muslim who did this. It's about time we started to use our own laws as well to fight encroaching sharia-compliant muslims. I'd love to see cair to the defense of this guy in this type of case. It would be hysterical.
"Homosexuality is banned in Islam...thus as a result there are no muslim gays."
Indeed. And that is made perfectly clear by the well documented pogrom against and public hangings of gays in Iran.
Keep banging your head on the floor, Yom. Maybe you will knock some sense into it.
No Muslim gays. LOL!
New Rule..All straight people taking muz taxis must act gay..And SLAM the doors HARD on exiting..
Yom Kipper:''Homosexuality is banned in Islam...thus as a result there are no muslim gays.''
You cannot be f*****g serious man!
Do you fundamentalist idiots go around with your damned eyes closed? Yes, I suppose you do. Stupid dunt.
I have a friend who worked for years in the middle east and he tells me that it is quite common to see men holding hands, kissing etc. This may well be innocent behaviour, he also tells me that there are lots of gays and that while it is not accepted (formally that is) everyone knows there are loads of gays or bi-sexuals. He also tells me there is no problem in hooking up with a Muslim (the very thought !) who is gay. He says there are probably more gays or bi-sexuals in the land of the pure than in the decadent western lands. This is because of the sexual frustration and prohibitions put on sex by the muslim creed. Perhaps there are not enough six year old girls to go round or something. Thus they cannot emulate the perfect man, perfectly. Never mind you guys after you have invaded our lands you can start raping even more of our children - you seem to have a lot of practice already judging from reports from all over Europe.
Let's see now, your so-called prophet has head-fucked the lot of you and blown away whatever brains were lodged between your Islamist lug-holes. Now that is a homosexual act if ever there was. But then you clowns deserve nothing less ... and certainly nothing more, so if you can't abide 'gays' of any flavour, why don't you just fuck off back to whatever M.E. sandpit you crawled out of and enjoy the beheadings? Come to think of it, you lot don't like women very much either do you?
What a giveaway!
GOD's Word as pertinent today as long ago:
Matthew 16
6"Be careful," Jesus said to them. "Be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees."
Muslims = Pharesees
Liberals =Sadducees
What happens when a Muslim has a 'spasm' while driving:
"A drink-driver who killed a father and son in a motorway crash was performing a sex act on himself minutes before the collision, a court heard.
Imran Hussain was driving at speeds of up to 120mph minutes before he ploughed into the back of a Fiat Punto carrying the Proctor family, from Wakefield.
Gary Proctor, 47, and son James, 16, died in the smash on the M62 motorway near Rochdale, on 3 August."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7771299.stm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1115624/Its-injustice-NOT-marry-girls-aged-10-says-Saudi-cleric.html
''Ten-year-old girls are ready for marriage, according to Saudi Arabia's most senior cleric.
Sheikh Abdul-Aziz Al Sheikh, the country's grand mufti, told Al Hayat newspaper that those saying ten or 12-year-old girls are too young to marry are being 'unfair' to them.''
Homosexuality Bad ... paedophilia good. What a horrible bastard your grand muffdiver is. Perhaps I'm being 'unfair' to him. But I doubt it.
Yom, thanks once again for being the example of islam we can all reference.
Oh, one quick question: If there are no gay men in Iran who are they executing for being gay?
Yom : Homosexuality is banned in Islam
Suuuure it is.
Yom :...thus as a result there are no muslim gays. If this driver is for example came from Pak...he will never have seen two men having a disgusting cuddle.
Is this driver blind, perchance?
Boston Globe - Gay Pakistan
In the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, homosexuality is not only illegal, it is a crime punishable by whipping, imprisonment, or even death. But across all classes and social groups, men have sex with men. In villages throughout the country, young boys are often forcibly "taken" by older men, starting a cycle of abuse and revenge that social activists and observers say is the common pattern of homosexual sex in Pakistan. Often these boys move to the cities and become prostitutes. Most people know it happens -- from the police to the wives of the men involved.
In some areas, homosexual sex is even tacitly accepted -- though still officially illegal -- as long as it doesn't threaten traditional marriage. In the Northwest Frontier Province (NWFP), which shares many tribal and cultural links with neighboring Afghanistan, the ethnic Pashtun men who dominate the region are renowned for taking young boys as lovers. No one has been executed for sodomy in Pakistan's recent history, but across the border in Afghanistan, the Taliban (who are also overwhelmingly Pashtun) executed three men for sodomy in 1998 by bulldozing a brick wall over them, burying two of them alive. (The third survived, which meant, according to Taliban law, that he was innocent, so he was taken to a hospital for treatment.)
Yom, you are an utter liar.
I apologize to the regulars here for the length of the post but I felt it necessary under the circumstances.
Your husband should have said (in the coldest tone possible) - "Are you insulting my wife's honor?"
I believe that if you had not received an apology from the cab driver, your husband is within his rights as a gentleman to ................... well, I know what I would do if some savage had insulted my wife.
There is no need for us to tolerate this sort of uncivilized behavior in our country.
Many posters have brought up the hypocrisy of the idea that there is no homosexuality in Islam. This is true—homosexuality is rife in the Muslim world, especially with so many women kept in near purdah and with casual dating often impossible.
But it is only homosexuality of a certain kind that is winked at in Islam—that is, a type of "prison sex"—coercive, exploitative, even violent—and frequently practiced by full-grown men on defenceless young boys.
But if, as Yom al Juma characterized it—it is "two men having a disgusting cuddle"—then it is entirely haram, because it implies that the two men might feel affectionate towards one another—or might actually love each other.
And what could be more un-Islamic than love? Love, even between a married couple, is considered with the greatest suspicion by proper devout Muslims.
It's just like the Cash Cab...3 strikes and you are booted out. I surmise, strike one was the mere fact that these two men were infidels. They probably wore offending western-style clothing (strike 2) and they were publicly displaying their affection between men - gay men are simply not halal so strike 3 in the shariah cab and they had to booted. I was surprised that they didn't use any shout-outs though. They should have did a mobile shout-out to the local cair office so they could straighten everything out before being booted. Stupid infidels...they just don't know how to play the shariah cab game.
I would like to withdraw my jocular aspersions on the word 'bonzer'
in case I offend any Aussies here.
I still think Yom must be gay. Nothing to be ashamed of Yom. Come out!
This zealot should lose his hack license pronto. Civil rights laws superced greivous harm when it comes to penalties.
Then again, when he saw two people expressing their love for each other in his rear-view mirror, his feelings were probably hurt because he had to leave his brother's behind.
I believe under the new hate crimes law, he should do some serious time with men who know how to treat men...
I'm certain that the next passengers to be denied rides by Muslim cabdrivers will be "unchaperoned" females or those dressing "immodestly."
Also, to add another riposte to Yom's comment about "no Muslim gays," I think he might find this item that appeared in the NYT not long ago quite enlightening. It's about a devout Muslim woman who works as a marital counselor in Dubai:
"'Many men who had anal sex with men before marriage want the same thing with their wives, because they don’t know anything else,' Ms. Lootah said. 'This is one reason we need sex education in our schools.'"
Yep. Good luck with that.
Link to article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/06/world/middleeast/06dubai.html?scp=1&sq=muslim%20marital%20counselor&st=cse
From Wikipedia..Historical Islamic Gay Men
Steven Runciman recounts a story by the Byzantine historian Doukas, known for his colorful and dramatic descriptions,[6] in which Mehmed II, upon the conquest of Constantinople, was said to have ordered the 14-year old son of the Grand Duke Lucas Notaras brought to him for his personal pleasure. When the father refused to deliver his son to such a fate he had them both decapitated on the spot.
[7] Another contemporary Greek source, Leonard of Chios, professor of theology and Archbishop of Mytilene, tells the same story in his letter to Pope Nicholas. He describes Mehmed II requesting for the 14 year old handsome youth to be brought "for his pleasure" [8].
Yom, It's all part of the muslim don't ask, don't tell (the truth to infidels) policy regarding gays. Thanks for the chcukle yom.
As more and more Muslims settle in the US, expect more of this "unoffical" Sharia enforcement. Most Muslims are here to conquer and impose, not assimilate and tolerate.
To Yom-Al-Juma,
You mean there aren't any Muslim gays who'll admit it openly, since it would mean their death at the hand of fellow Muslims.
Yom al-Juma, how can you say that with a straight face? If you say that mahoundianism bans "homosexuality", while everyone knows that it allows "prison sex",
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200705/gay-saudi-arabia
You're nothing but a self-hating, closeted hypocrite.
Oddly enough, as it would happen, before visiting jihadwatch this morning I was looking at the latest news stories on our national news site.
And look what came up - three men being indicted for having kidnapped, tortured and repeatedly *raped* two other men.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/11/04/2733488.htm?section=justin
Unusually, the names of the three kidnapper-rapist-torturers are given. One is a kaffir name - though it occurs to me to wonder whether he may be a convert to Islam. The other two - Ahmed Yehyia, and Nabil Merhi - are most definitely, to judge from their names, Muslims.
No indication as to whether the victims were fellow Muslims, or Aussie non-Muslims.
"As long as the law of the U.S. disallows religious discrimination, his action ought to be seen as such and authorities should act accordingly."
Don't get me wrong, the islamonazi should lose his job and be deported back to the s-*thole he came from, but just WHEN did homosexuality all of a sudden become a "religion"?
Just wondering the context.
"As long as the law of the U.S. disallows religious discrimination, his action ought to be seen as such and authorities should act accordingly."
Don't get me wrong, the islamonazi should lose his job and be deported back to the s-*thole he came from, but just WHEN did homosexuality all of a sudden become a "religion"?
Just wondering the context.
Muslim hate crime against the homosexual community?
Yeah, I remember this:
"A few years ago when the Muslim cabdrivers at the Minneapolis airport were refusing to carry passengers who had alcohol"
That was when you were exposed in public for lying then displayed your ignorance of Sharia in referring to "darura" as the excuse you were thinking of to hide your lies.
Will you ever come clean about it, or just insist on remaining the adamant liar?
Peace
Abdullah
Yom_moron says "..Homosexuality is banned in Islam...thus as a result there are no muslim gays. " Oh really? Then why are Iraqi gays complaining about their fearful lives? Or, have you checked your beloved pukistan and next door Afghanistan where homosexuality is routine, despite your islamic injunctions. I have first hand information from Bahrain where Saudis keep boys and girls for weekend sex and then slip back to shitty arabia puritanical society as "pious" muslims. You guys are the biggest hypocrites on earth.
This driver must be sued. ANd so should Yom_al_ whatsisname for disfiguring our beaut word 'bonzer'
What kind of an Aussie are you, Yom? You bring shame on our lovely diverse country.
IT,
Homosexuality removes a person from Islam.
One cannot be a Muslim and be a Homosexual...the two states are mutually exclusive.
Islam is a state of being, not a skin color that doesn't wash off.
Peace
Abdullah
AM : Homosexuality removes a person from Islam.
One cannot be a Muslim and be a Homosexual...the two states are mutually exclusive.
Islam is a state of being, not a skin color that doesn't wash off.
Like being a pedophile? There are lots of pedophiles who are moslem, the most famous of which is mohammed, right?
At least with homosexuality there is love involved whereas with pedophilia there is aggression and domination. Something moslems are all to familiar with.
You certainly can't wash off the stench of child molestation, can you AM? So are you an advocate of child molestation as your 'Perfect Man', mohammed (Pedophile, misogynist, murderer, liar, maniac, thief, parasite etc) was?
Abdullah~
I am in daily email contact with several international muslim gay groups.
As usual, your dualism fails.
Progress,
S. Kevin
Unfortunately, this happens to be one of the few times I will have to agree with Robert on such an issue. If you can't perform the necessary duties to complete your job and are unable/unwilling to find a solution which allows you to complete it, you don't get to do that job. These gay men may be highly offensive to the cab driver but they are not forcing him to be a homosexual. There's no literal prohibition for us from transporting a homosexual anywhere.
He can suck it up.
GT : He can suck it up.
Worst. Choice. Of . Phrase. EVER!
GT, you've made me laugh, thanks!
The gay press is covering this story.
http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2009/11/04/Gay_Couple_Booted_From_Cab_for_Hugging/
Interesting comments there.
Groups like al-Fatiha are real oddballs in the Muslim community. Most Muslims simply do not recognize them as being Muslim, they live outside of the fold of Islam. I think that, it may be possible for them to clarify their argument for the reality that people may have same sex attraction and may also be Muslim and what actions are permitted.
Abdullah's claim that there are no gay Muslims rings hollow from the point of view that one can consider oneself a homosexual and be a Muslim but not engage in sodomy which is directly prohibited for ALL people (not just homosexuals). There is no "thought crime" in Islam, only your wicked ACTS can be judged as being sinful.
As a gay man who lived in the Islamic paradise of Saudi Arabia for several years, I can tell you from first hand experience that some 30%-50% of Muslims in that country are either gay or bisexual. This figure comes both from my personal observations and experiences and also from conversations with Muslims themselves bragging about their sexual exploits with other men. More specifically, Muslims in the country who were Westernized and politically gay-self-identified would respond, when asked, that they thought maybe 10% or so of the nation was gay, i.e. men who had a political self awareness of having a sexual orientation which was gay, i.e. the compartmentalized Western perspective on sexuality.
More interesting, however, was the answer I'd get from non-Westernized Arab Muslims in Saudi Arabia who had an Arab-Muslim understanding of sexuality which was not compartmentalized but rather existed on a spectrum of behavior wherein having sex with other boys/men throughout one's teen years and into one's 20s, before marriage, was considered totally normal (which often continues well after marriage). Of course, this makes sense since life in strict Arab-Islamic societies mimics life in a prison: you are surrounded exclusively by men and never see other women from puberty on. As such, a young boy's sexuality is developed ONLY in the presence of other boys, and just like Ancient Greece - or in your typical modern sex segregated jail - when a man wants sex and only other men are around, men will OFTEN have sex with other men.
It is from these non-Westernized Arab-Muslims that I would get the figures that some 30% to 50% of Arab-Muslims within the Islamic Gulf had had, or have had, or continue to have sex with other men.
From my gay counterparts who have spent large amounts of time in Afghanistan and Pakistan, I have heard the same exact thing about homosexuality in those countries as well.
As such, the claim that homosexuality is illegal in Islam and therefore there are no gay Muslims is absolutely false. In fact, the contrary is true: Islam - when completely enforced - ***actually induces otherwise heterosexual men into homosexual behavior*** due to the total lack of sexual access to women. In Islam, controlling a woman's sexuality is far more important than going after Muslim men who have sex with other men, which is why Islam requires four male witnesses to prove a conviction of the allegation of sodomy. As a result, the general rule in Islamic societies is: have gay sex in groups of 4 or less (i.e. three witnesses only) and you will be fine since there will not be enough witnesses to testify against you. If Muhammad/Allah/Islam had been totally opposed to homosexuality, then this four-witness requirement would never have been established since other accusations require far fewer witnesses/accusers.
Again, the claim that there are no gay Muslims is incorrect. In fact, the rate of homosexuality is MUCH HIGHER within the Islamic world than anywhere else.
As I like to ask when I explain to people who are surprised about the realities of homosexuality rates within the Islamic world: "Marijuana is banned by the US Federal Government. Does that mean there are no marijuana smoking Americans?"
In response to the German contributor whose name is "Islam_Macht_Frei" (Islam makes you free; a play on words from the NAZIs who sickly proclaimed "Arbeit macht free" before they gassed you to death):
Nein, der Islam macht SCHWUL! (No, Islam makes you gay!)
Yeah, I threw that in there for the low ball humor... dang, I just did it again didn't I? Glad you're happy.
Salam,
I see this repeatedly....that kuffar postees think that they are experts ...challenge me and lose.
I stand by my assertion that Homosexuality is banned in Islam...it's absolutely true....by definition.
That's not to say that a very very small minority of men in muslim countries don't practice it ..they may...but then by definition they can no longer be defined as muslim....thus there are NO and have never been any muslim gays.
Interesting post and I thank you for it. I once taught an Egyptian who told me pretty much what you have, that men in the Middle East having sex with other men is standard stuff. He did point out, and, if you could, I would appreciate a further commment here, that if one were the penetrator that that was not considered to be ipso facto evidence of homosexuality. It was only if you were the penetrated that any stigma might attach or, at least, a claim of being homosexual would then be accurate. This would very much mirror what existed in ancient Greece. Any further thoughts on all this?
I wonder if we'll ever hear a follow up from this story?
I rather doubt it.
But it would be interesting to know what the NY TLC makes of this.
"Again, the claim that there are no gay Muslims is incorrect. In fact, the rate of homosexuality is MUCH HIGHER within the Islamic world than anywhere else."
So your personal anecdotes count as fact?
You make the claim that a rigidly Islamic lifestyle makes Arab men more likely to have same sex attraction at a young age and then "grow out of it" as they get older. Sort of like the Spartans in the agoge expected to marry, breed and maybe have long term male "friends" but officially homosexuality was punishable by death.
Where is an actual statistic on this? I have never heard of a reliable survey on this behavior in this region and I have also heard men from the region say the complete opposite of what you describe. Is this based more so on some exoticism fetish you have rather than fact? Did you "rock the casbah" wearing nothing but keffiyeh?
Yom,
I will accept the honorific 'kuffar' from you if, in turn, you accept the honorific 'vermin' from me. Deal?
So, vermin, the amount of moslems world-wide will now be well under the 1.2 billion you cultists purport to have?
If we go by your warped logic then that must be the case, right?
That's OK Gerbil.
The Catholic Church says I am no longer Catholic because I go to Dignity Masses. In my heart, I hope against hope that on some distant day something like Dignity will be a separate Rite of the Church.
Religion is ever what the people say it is. The people, not hierarchy or dogma. There have always been many Islams, just as there have always been many Christianities, Buddhisms, Hinduisms, Native American Churches, etc...
It's creative, and most of all, it's fun.
I wonder if we'll ever hear a follow up from this story?
I rather doubt it.
But it would be interesting to know what the NY TLC makes of this.
The nabi is confused. What exactly are all those pearly boys supposed to be for? And didn't mohamet have gay sex also? Check with Fr. Zakaria for this one. I seem to remember that the insane camel was bearing his chest so that his lover Zahir could kiss it. Now is that a most excellent example or what? This must be the reason that all the mohametan males are gay. That and the segregation of the sexes. I mean they don't even want to be around Women. The Wildz and Slutie Womenziz of dar al harb truely rock!
nabi ZK (pbum)
Yom_al_Juma,
I found it very interesting while living in the heart of the Islamic world to discover that the Arab-Muslims who had the biggest problem with man-on-man sex within the Islamic world were the Arab-Muslims who had been born and raised in the UNITED STATES and who then relocated back to Islamic Arabia and would confide in me - thinking I was a heterosexual American - that they were shocked and disgusted by the extremely high rate of homosexuality among their fellow Arab-Muslim compatriots within the Islamic Gulf.
You see, Muslims within the West grow up in our system that allows people to exhibit whatever sexuality they like, and for the most part, the extreme majority of people in the West are heterosexual (90% or more) and have full access to women through their sexual lives. Western societies no longer attempt to control or destroy a woman's sexuality and therefore heterosexual men and women are allowed to have healthy sexual lives with one another, which is what heterosexual Americans/Westerners attempt to do. Within this Western context, Arab-Muslims are allowed to fully develop their heterosexuality in freedom yet they fool themselves themselves into believing that their heterosexuality is a consequence of Islam.
But that is not the case.
Christian-Western societies have EXTREMELY LOW (yet increasingly visible) rates of homosexuality. The Islamic world, on the contrary, has an EXTREMELY HIGH rate of homosexuality, it just happens to be officially invisible. Of course, if you just open your eyes while in the Arab-Islamic world, you will see homo-eroticism and bisexuality/homosexuality virtually everywhere.
Like the electromagnetic spectrum which permeates everything around us, although it is invisible, homosexuality permeates Islam and every aspect of Islamic sexuality wherever Islam becomes the dominant system of social organization... ESPECIALLY with Islamic Arabs and South Asians who are technically the most conservative and thoroughly Islamic people on the planet.
To note:
The full implementation of Islam forces you to be gay.
Judeo-Christian/Western civilization, on the other hand, lets you be straight.
If you want to get rid of the insane amounts of homosexuality within the Islamic world, you will first have to get rid of Islam itself.
I find your posts ever more curious Kaafir as you claim to be a gay man and seem to be making a claim that homosexual behavior and perhaps homosexuality itself could be a product of environment chiefly rather than a genetic predisposition. Most homosexuals I know, make the claim that they were born as such and it was completely not a byproduct of their upbringing.
Do you deny this or perhaps do you feel it is a more complex issue involving both nature and nurture? I ask because I am a Muslim man who openly admits that he has attraction for both sexes and I feel that my sexuality is highly malleable. While I choose not to act on any impulse I have for other men and I feel no shame for it, I also tend to feel that I made a conscious decision to have attraction to either sex or that it is simply natural for humans to express a level of attraction for either sex as is common in other primates.
Wouldn't you prefer that there be "insane amounts of homosexuality in the Arab world"?
Yom_al_Juma,
I found it very interesting while living in the heart of the Islamic world to discover that the Arab-Muslims who had the biggest problem with man-on-man sex within the Islamic world were the Arab-Muslims who had been born and raised in the UNITED STATES and who then relocated back to Islamic Arabia and would confide in me - thinking I was a heterosexual American - that they were shocked and disgusted by the extremely high rate of homosexuality among their fellow Arab-Muslim compatriots within the Islamic Gulf.
You see, Muslims within the West grow up in our system that allows people to exhibit whatever sexuality they like, and for the most part, the extreme majority of people in the West are heterosexual (90% or more) and have full access to women through their sexual lives. Western societies no longer attempt to control or destroy a woman's sexuality and therefore heterosexual men and women are allowed to have healthy sexual lives with one another, which is what heterosexual Americans/Westerners attempt to do. Within this Western context, Arab-Muslims are allowed to fully develop their heterosexuality in freedom yet they fool themselves themselves into believing that their heterosexuality is a consequence of Islam.
But that is not the case.
Christian-Western societies have EXTREMELY LOW (yet increasingly visible) rates of homosexuality. The Islamic world, on the contrary, has an EXTREMELY HIGH rate of homosexuality, it just happens to be officially invisible. Of course, if you just open your eyes while in the Arab-Islamic world, you will see homo-eroticism and bisexuality/homosexuality virtually everywhere.
Like the electromagnetic spectrum which permeates everything around us, although it is invisible, homosexuality permeates Islam and every aspect of Islamic sexuality wherever Islam becomes the dominant system of social organization... ESPECIALLY with Islamic Arabs and South Asians who are technically the most conservative and thoroughly Islamic people on the planet.
To note:
The full implementation of Islam forces you to be gay.
Judeo-Christian/Western civilization, on the other hand, lets you be straight.
If you want to get rid of the insane amounts of homosexuality within the Islamic world, you will first have to get rid of Islam itself.
Yom_al_Juma,
I found it very interesting while living in the heart of the Islamic world to discover that the Arab-Muslims who had the biggest problem with man-on-man sex within the Islamic world were the Arab-Muslims who had been born and raised in the UNITED STATES and who then relocated back to Islamic Arabia and would confide in me - thinking I was a heterosexual American - that they were shocked and disgusted by the extremely high rate of homosexuality among their fellow Arab-Muslim compatriots within the Islamic Gulf.
You see, Muslims within the West grow up in our system that allows people to exhibit whatever sexuality they like, and for the most part, the extreme majority of people in the West are heterosexual (90% or more) and have full access to women through their sexual lives. Western societies no longer attempt to control or destroy a woman's sexuality and therefore heterosexual men and women are allowed to have healthy sexual lives with one another, which is what heterosexual Americans/Westerners attempt to do. Within this Western context, Arab-Muslims are allowed to fully develop their heterosexuality in freedom yet they fool themselves themselves into believing that their heterosexuality is a consequence of Islam.
But that is not the case.
Christian-Western societies have EXTREMELY LOW (yet increasingly visible) rates of homosexuality. The Islamic world, on the contrary, has an EXTREMELY HIGH rate of homosexuality, it just happens to be officially invisible. Of course, if you just open your eyes while in the Arab-Islamic world, you will see homo-eroticism and bisexuality/homosexuality virtually everywhere.
Like the electromagnetic spectrum which permeates everything around us, although it is invisible, homosexuality permeates Islam and every aspect of Islamic sexuality wherever Islam becomes the dominant system of social organization... ESPECIALLY with Islamic Arabs and South Asians who are technically the most conservative and thoroughly Islamic people on the planet.
To note:
The full implementation of Islam forces you to be gay.
Judeo-Christian/Western civilization, on the other hand, lets you be straight.
If you want to get rid of the insane amounts of homosexuality within the Islamic world, you will first have to get rid of Islam itself.
Here is an interesting youtube video on the subject. The Arab news channel claims that 46% of the Saudi capital is gay.
http://www.youtube.com/user/Ameriki1#p/f/105/LbKCbnQ17NQ
This validates Amriikii's assertions.
GerbilTea:
The assertion I make is based on several years of living in Saudi Arabia and having innumerable conversations with local Arab Muslims based on the region's sexual laws, sexual behaviors, sexual expression, etc - and reading the Quran myself. If you re-read my post, you will note that Western-like gay-self-identified Muslims suggested the rate of homosexuality was around 10%, which is the maximum rate tossed around in the West. Perhaps not a coincidence. Non-Westernized non-gay-self-identified Muslims in the region - who in Western terms would be considered "straight" - are the ones who returned the highest estimates for the rate of bisexuality and homosexuality and who were most likely to brag about their sexual encounters with other men.
Don't fault the messenger for conveying the message.
Note also that I have lived in North America, Europe, the Middle East and East Asia and have traveled all around the rest of the world. Nowhere did I observe - or even hear from locals - that the rate of homosexuality was as high as it was in the Islamic world.
For contrast: I would say that Japan was the least-gay country I have ever been to. Stating so much makes me neither pro- nor anti-Japanese, it's just a statement of reality. Moreover, stating that the Islamic world has the highest prevalence of homosexuality both from my experience as well as from the information I received from many, many local Muslims themselves is also neither pro- nor anti-Islam. It's simply a statement of reality as told to me by Muslims themselves.
As for statistics, such formal statistics naturally do not exist since collecting and publishing such statistics would be deemed unIslamic and therefore would lead to severe punishments against the publisher, which explains why very few statistics exist in the Arab-Islamic world and why such statistics, when they do exist, are highly unreliable. This is not just the case with homosexuality, but with virtually any other social measure that would portray Islam - or Muslims - in a bad light or reflect some sort of "sinful" behavior that violates Islam ESPECIALLY in Saudi Arabia, home to Makkah and Madinah.
As you probably know, if you have any experience with the Islamic world, there are two realms of existence: 1) the public Islamic realm where you deny the existence of everything "unIslamic" (i.e. self delusion), and 2) the private realm where you do whatever you want - however unIslamic it might be - as long as the mutawwa/religious police are not around to bust you for the violation.
After all, one gets into Islamic heaven not by being as Islamic as possible during one's life, but rather, because the angels calculate that your good deeds just barely outweigh your bad ones. So, de facto, Islam allows all its precepts to be disregarded (i.e. sins) as long as the Muslim makes up for the sin in the future via additional prayers, religious expiation, converting infidels, fighting jihad, etc.
Therefore, many Muslims participate in bisexual/homosexual behavior and simply justify the sin by deciding to do something extra Islamic in the future to make up for it.
Wellington:
Within the Arab-Islamic world, men who do the penetrating do not view themselves as being gay, whereas the stigma is attached to the man being penetrated. It is even more acceptable for a Muslim man to penetrate a non-Muslim man since the non-Muslim is already inferior according to Islam. Worst, in their mindset, is for a Muslim male to be penetrated by an Infidel. Of course, that happens all the time in practice and since Islam requires four male witnesses to prove the accusation of sodomy, many Muslims simply don't care much about the gradations of sexual position since they'll never get in trouble for it.
While in the Middle East I spoke with many, many Muslim men who participated in bisexual/homosexual behavior - coming from the Maghreb, the Levant, the Gulf and South Asia - and this perspective on penetration vs. being penetrated was common among them.
Ok, so that was a "no".
Still, are you hot?
GerbilTea:
When discussing these issues with Muslims, you should be conscious of various issues:
1. Are you talking to Muslims who have grown up in the West and therefore are generally Western (and have never had homosexuality/bisexuality forced upon them by social circumstance) and therefore the general absence of homosexuality in their Western Islamic communities is largely a function of being in the West, not being Islamic?
2. Yes, there are huge numbers of Muslims, Middle Eastern or not, who hate homosexuals and homosexuality and - like their American/Western counterparts - simply don't know about homosexual behavior because it's totally outside their realm of existence and understanding and therefore *to them* actually doesn't exist. However, stating that the world is flat doesn't make it so simply because one believes it to be true.
And most importantly:
3. As with many issues related to Islam, Muslims simply cannot confess to the REALITY that exists either in Islam itself or within the Islamic world because admitting to the truth of either the negative elements of Islam or de facto consequences of the institutionalization of Islam (the rise of homosexuality, etc.) are so detrimental to the reputation of Islam that doing so is simply worse than perpetuating a lie. Of course, Islam also allows lying for numerous reasons, so
4. When discussing issues pertaining to Islam which might portray it in a negative light, understand that Islam permits Muslims to lie to infidels in "defense" of Islam. As such, you should question everything Muslims tell you about Islam because they are either A) unknowingly lying in defense of Islam, or B) doing so consciously in order to deceive an infidel.
Of course, we would laugh if a Catholic priest proclaimed, "Christianity prohibits homosexuality and therefore there are no homosexual Christians" or "Homosexuality does not exist within Christendom." We would laugh because we know better. Unfortunately with Islam, Americans/Westerners simply have no frame of reference to understand or know the truth and therefore they take everything Muslims tell them at face value.
This is a right not afforded to Christians, and it is a right that should also not be afforded to Muslims - or anyone else for that matter.
I have found your posts most honest and enlightening, contra Islam, which, as you already indicated, is virtually in constant denial about so many things, one of many reasons why I think Islam will eventually fail since the truth is a very stubborn thing. In any case, thank you for your comments.
Thanks Al Kaafir Al Amriikii, your posts along with Proud_Kafir7908’s link to theatlantic.com link will go a long way to explain the Thursday night Man-boy love night in Afghanistan when, after deploying next summer, my brethren will eventually question why such activities occur in theses lands of sand and sodomy. Finally I’ll have an answer that makes sense.
GerbilTea,
Prior to living in the Islamic world, I was a typical Westernized gay man who believed that homosexuality was purely the product of genetic predisposition. While in Saudi Arabia I came to a slightly different understanding of sexuality: that while sexuality may in fact be genetic and predisposed, it is society and culture which dictate how a person may express his innate sexuality. In the case of the West, we like to scientifically compartmentalize EVERYTHING which is why people in the West generally categorize themselves as gay, straight, bisexual, asexual, etc. Arabs/Muslims, on the other hand, don’t have this tradition and tend to view sexuality on more fluid spectrum without forcing the sexual label so much. Within the Western system, there is no external or systematic pressure to be gay since we are all largely free to be what we want to be, *or what we are*, and therefore if a person is innately heterosexual then a person has more than enough access to women who are willing to have sex with them and confirm and develop their heterosexuality. Therefore, within sexually free societies, yes, a person’s *sexual behavior* is the result of innate (genetic?) sexual predispositions. If you’re straight, you can legally and socially have sex with women. If you’re gay, you’ll legally have sex with men. In this system of freedom, why would you have sex with another man if you are heterosexual and could just have sex with another woman? You wouldn’t.
In the formerly un-free West where homosexuality was totally unacceptable, homosexuals were forced to be heterosexual and to deny their innate sexual orientation – that is to say, culture forced a sexuality on these men. Oddly, and totally to the opposite, the lack of freedom within systematically Islamic societies results in rates of homosexuality which are much higher than they would be if Muslim men AND MUSLIM MEN were simply allowed to have sex with whomever they wanted. In this case, the “protection” (domination) of women’s sexuality has resulted in the total absence of heterosexual opportunities for heterosexuals yet it has left open a window of opportunity to have sex WITH OTHER MEN as long as there are not four witnesses to prove an accusation of sodomy. Therefore, when left with no other option, MANY Muslim men simply have sexual relations with other men. It is as if Muslim men live in a prison where the only sexual outlet is other men.
Therefore, while an Arab Saudi male may have an innately heterosexual orientation (nature), it is the external social structures around him which often force him into homosexual behavior (nurture).
So yes, there is a spectrum of sexuality that is found among peoples of all cultures ranging – on an person by person basis – from asexual to homosexual to bisexual to heterosexual - but it is society and culture which allow us to be one thing or another or which FORCES us to be something we are not. In this case, Islam often inadvertently (??) pushes Muslim males into homosexual *behavior*. This doesn’t make their innate sexual orientation homosexual, but it does make their behavior homosexual – often against their will. In free societies, these heterosexual Muslims are simply left alone to be heterosexual and they confuse the source of their sexual orientation with Islam, as opposed to the free expression of their innate sexuality within free Western societies.
Regarding the "insane amounts of homosexuality in the Arab world", you will find many gay men from the West who are VERY happy to live in the Arab-Islamic world for just that reason. On the contrary, you will find many Western/American heterosexual men who live and work in the Islamic Gulf states who can’t stand it because there are very few women to have sex with. Many of my heterosexual friends were quite envious of the plethora of sexual opportunities that we homosexuals/bisexuals had in the region. I tell ya, returning to the West was quite a shock because homosexuality was so much less prevalent here.
As for your question that I might actually prefer the "insane amounts of homosexuality in the Arab world", I will respond simply by saying that my only preference is that people be free to be whoever they are.
Ladies and gentlemen
in a posting above, a Mohammedan (or pretending-to-be-Mohammedan) dementor, GerbilTea, claimed that Islam forbids sodomy, period (i.e. forbids anal sex by hetero couples as well as by gay and bi- guys).
To which my immediate response? -NONSENSE.
In fact anal sex - sodomy - seems to be much more commonly practised among hetero couples in dar al Islam, than it is among hetero couples anywhere in dar al harb.
For example, from this article:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles/Read.aspx?GUID=473928E3-18E1-4E4E-ADF6-1AD796E3D400
see this observation:
"The personal literary reports and the official UN analyses on Islamic family dynamics concur in a somewhat disquieting aspect.
"They confirm not only the tendency to incest but also an even stronger attitude towards anal sexuality, meaning *an unusually high percentage of males preferring anal intercourse to vaginal, especially in the framework of "normal" marital life* {my emphasis added - dda}".
And again:
"There is no "culture" in the world where more married people practice anal intercourse than in Islam".
Recently I was going through the three huge e-files I've compiled, of stories from this site and others, which I have called 'Islam's war on women'. I came across a snippet of information - from Kuwait - that confirmed this statement; a Muslim lady official (doctor or educator, I can't recall which) was calling for sex education (presumably, segregated) for young people...because when men got married they literally did not know any other form of sex BUT sodomy. (I will have a look for this story, and if I find it, I will post it in this thread).
There are two authors who may be consulted on these subjects - Bruce Dunne on 'Power and Sexuality in the Middle East'
http://www.merip.org/mer/mer206/bruce.htm
and one Abdelwahab Bouhdiba, "Sexuality in Islam", Saqi Books, 1998. If you read French, it’s been available since 1975 in the original.
Kaffir Kanuck - some of your shocked and stunned soldiers might find Bouhdiba's book...illuminating.
The protestations from the usual peanut gallery (Yom, Tea, Slave) notwithstanding, the post by the gay man who lived in Saudi Arabia for several years is the one to read:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/11/sharia-cab-in-new-york-city-muslim-cabbie-kicks-out-gay-couple.html#comment-614005
In fact, Islam is suffused with a schizophrenia about sexuality: a pathological, psychotic duality between obsessive Purity and demonic Depravity -- and this fundamental schizophrenia is manifested in many ways, including
1) a hatred and fear of homosexuality
2) frequent indulgence in homosexual acts by men (and by women) -- an indulgence that probably far outnumbers what goes on in the West.
How do Muslims work out this contradiction? Easy -- the same way they work out all their other contradictions and incoherencies: through mass schizophrenia.
Your comments, dda, would tend to confirm a view that sexual activity in the Islamic world conforms more with animal behavior than with typical human approaches to sexuality, to wit, that matters of dominance and neccesity take priority to those of love and mutual expressions of pleasure. Ah, why am I not surprised?
From the liberal multi-culti The Atlantic Magazine:
The Kingdom in the Closet
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200705/gay-saudi-arabia
"This legal and public condemnation notwithstanding, the kingdom leaves considerable space for homosexual behavior. As long as gays and lesbians maintain a public front of obeisance to Wahhabist norms, they are left to do what they want in private. Vibrant communities of men who enjoy sex with other men can be found in cosmopolitan cities like Jeddah and Riyadh. They meet in schools, in cafés, in the streets, and on the Internet. “You can be cruised anywhere in Saudi Arabia, any time of the day,” said Radwan, a 42-year-old gay Saudi American who grew up in various Western cities and now lives in Jeddah. “They’re quite shameless about it.” Talal, a Syrian who moved to Riyadh in 2000, calls the Saudi capital a “gay heaven"."
Meeker says: One of my employees spent several years in Saudi and in the end had to leave because of the homosexual advances made on him -- culminating in his fearing for his life if he did not give in to certain of them from high-placed Saudis. So I have it from the horse's mouth, as it were.....
Ref Al Kaafir’s point that homosexuality in Islamic countries does not necessarily result from genetics, but from the lack of opportunity to engage in normal heterosexual relationship, the article I mentioned above, The Kingdom in the Closet,
goes on to say:
“This is surprising enough. But what seems more startling, at least from a Western perspective, is that some of the men having sex with other men don’t consider themselves gay. For many Saudis, the fact that a man has sex with another man has little to do with “gayness.” The act may fulfill a desire or a need, but it doesn’t constitute an identity. Nor does it strip a man of his masculinity, as long as he is in the “top,” or active, role. This attitude gives Saudi men who engage in homosexual behavior a degree of freedom. But as a more Westernized notion of gayness—a notion that stresses orientation over acts—takes hold in the country, will this delicate balance survive?”
Humble apologies, folks, didn't realise that ProudKafir had already posted link to the Atlantic article re the gay scene in Saudi Arabia (11:59am).
Anyway, it's sure worth a read...
Things muslims need to know about homosexuality.
Homosexuality is likely a ploygentic trait, which means controlled by genes. Sexuality is a genetic predisposition, that can be amplified or stifled by nurture depending on the predispostion. One can have two monozygotic twins, that express the different phenotype. All muslims have to do is put down the Quran and Hadith and start reading about science. I recommand they read: homosexual orientation on twins, Fraternal brith order effect, and material immunity.
They must learn there is nothing immoral about homosexuality.
in a follow up story, the driver and his partner were later asked to leave a taxi in similar circumstances. Medhat Mohamed said he was shocked at the insensitivity shown to his culture. When asked for a comment, all his partner would say {quote} was " Baahhhhh. Baahhhh"
that would be an overwhelming argument for homosexuality you cretin.
At least it's between consenting adults, not a pedophile and a 9 year old little girl.- sounds like someone we've both heard of, doesn't it?
The gay lobby and their left-lib supporters will do nothing
about this.Maybe if the cabbie were Jewish.
You mean inclusive you muslim paedophile louse !
Yom is so consistent and extreme in his/her stupidity and provocation that I have trouble believing he or she is not the creation of some prankster with an as yet unknown motive.
Yom, as a parody would be almost funny. Yom for real is too chilling to contemplate.
Skevin,
Your contact with a group of homosexuals that call themselves "Muslim" means nothing. They can not be Muslims and engage in that...the act removes one from the title.
Muslim is a person who submits their will to God, in order to be called a Muslim one must act in order to abide by the title, Willing Submission to God.
A homosexual can not in any way say they are abiding by the will of God in their perversity.
No, it is an imposibility that a person cannot say they are Muslim and engage in Homosexuality.
If they cease their homosexual acts and return to obedience to God, then, and only then can they say with any truth tha they are Muslim.
Otherwise, they are simply gay people lying to you.
Peace
Abdullah
Good Grief, Abdullah, I was going to argue the toss with you. Your last post struck me as so retarded and backward on so many levels, but, you know what? I can't be bothered.
We are now in the 21st Cent. You it would appear are stuck somewhere in the 7th.............
Good Grief, Abdullah, I was going to argue the toss with you. Your last post struck me as so retarded and backward on so many levels, but, you know what? I can't be bothered.
We are now in the 21st Cent. You it would appear are stuck somewhere in the 7th.............
Not really...you can pretend that morality is what you decide it is...no, there is an absolute morality that does not change....you may think it changes with the times, it doesn't.
There is a universal truth that does not change.
Peace
Abdullah
Abdullah,
If that is your definition of a Muslim, then there are virtually no Muslims in the world. The utter disparity that exists between what the Quran/Hadeeth/Sunnah demand Muslims to do and what Muslims actually do is so huge as to render the term "Muslim" absolutely meaningless - at least according to your literal definition and the definition of those who have appointed themselves the unelected representatives of Islam. Presumably you, like all other Muslims, fall in that category of hypocrites as well.
As you well know, hypocrisy in behavior versus belief runs to the core of the Islamic world's very existence primarily because of the schizophrenic and contradictory nature of Islamic itself. As long as a person behaves as a delusional Muslim hypocrite in public towing and proselytizing the Islamic line then Muslims generally feel fully compelled to be as unIslamic as they want in private knowing that as long as their good deeds slightly outweigh their bad deeds on Judgment Day then they will get into heaven.
Naturally, I was quite happy to see all these unIslamic tendencies by Arabs, Africans, Persians and Asians/South Asians while in the Middle East since Islam is the source of the Islamic world's dysfunctions and the sooner it is gotten rid of the better. The next step in social development for the Islamic world is for its people to realize that, in fact, they have every right to throw off Islam and its enslaving chains and to become free thinking human beings who must no longer submit to the dictates of a genocidal 7th Century pedophile.
This mental schizophrenia brought on by Islam, of course, is the basis of the civil war going on within the Islamic world at present: do individuals have the liberty to think and act freely and ultimately to rid themselves of Islam, or are individuals nothing more than slaves to Islamic masters who must incessantly force their destructive ideology on the minds of people - Muslims and non-Muslims alike - who honestly know that something is gravely and repulsively wrong with it.
The destruction of the World Trade Center and various other attacks on non-Islamic countries over recent years are but symptoms of this greater internal war which is wonderfully tearing "1.5 billion Muslims" apart.
So let me get this straight (sigh - bad choice).
It is definitely not ok to be gay in Islam. Once you are gay, you automatically renounce your rights to call yourself a Muslim.
BUT, you can say and do anything you like to infidels. Kill them, encourage others to do so, call them every name under the sun. And instead of being cut off from being recognised as a Muslim, some in the Islamic community will be sympathetic towards you.
AbdullahMikail, GerbilTea and Yom, please tell me how I'm wrong...?
@ Abdullah
For once you got something theologically correct about Islam. Islam is homophobic. Islam teaches homophobia.
Islam preaches homophobia. Islam even kills homosexuals.
However, this is not to say Muslims can not be homosexuals. Infact, studies have proven homosexuality has a biological basis. Homosexuality is likely a polygenic trait, which means controlled by many genes. For you to say nothing about homosexuality has found to be slightly genetic is so far removed from Science. There is also evolutionary benefit to same-sex pair bonding. Moreover, sexuality exists on a dial. Very rarely are you going to find anyone that is absolutely, completely unattractive to the same sex, to the point that it has never flashed through their mind for a moment, or that they cannot recognize who is and is not more attractive within their own gender. The entire mirror stage, in fact, comes with the development of the ego, and thus, the sexual attraction to oneself. Thus, no amount of Islam is going to cure a homosexual muslim. Not even if this muslim tried really hard to be the most heterosexual muslim ever.
The fact this illogical muslim taxi driver threw two homosexuals out of his cab for huging is gender discrimination via Islam. He would not of thrown a man and a woman who huged out of his cab. Professionals do not do that to people here in America. Unlike Islam, Jim crow laws are nolonger accepted here.
The fact you care more about protecting your illogical faith than the two human beings who were discrimated against tells everyone here all they need to know about Islam. You don't even need jihadwatch to make Islam look bad muslims like you do it all on your own.
@ Abdullah
For once you got something theologically correct about Islam. Islam is homophobic. Islam teaches homophobia.
Islam preaches homophobia. Islam even kills homosexuals.
However, this is not to say Muslims can not be homosexuals. Infact, studies have proven homosexuality has a biological basis. Homosexuality is likely a polygenic trait, which means controlled by many genes. For you to say nothing about homosexuality has found to be slightly genetic is so far removed from Science. There is also evolutionary benefit to same-sex pair bonding. Moreover, sexuality exists on a dial. Very rarely are you going to find anyone that is absolutely, completely unattractive to the same sex, to the point that it has never flashed through their mind for a moment, or that they cannot recognize who is and is not more attractive within their own gender. The entire mirror stage, in fact, comes with the development of the ego, and thus, the sexual attraction to oneself. Thus, no amount of Islam is going to cure a homosexual muslim. Not even if this muslim tried really hard to be the most heterosexual muslim ever.
The fact this illogical muslim taxi driver threw two homosexuals out of his cab for huging is gender discrimination via Islam. He would not of thrown a man and a woman who huged out of his cab. Professionals do not do that to people here in America. Unlike Islam, Jim crow laws are nolonger accepted here.
The fact you care more about protecting your illogical faith than the two human beings who were discrimated against tells everyone here all they need to know about Islam. You don't even need jihadwatch to make Islam look bad muslims like you do it all on your own.
Mikeymike et al,
Some issues on homosexuality and jihad which may or may not also be relevant to yesterday’s Fort Hood shooting.
I propose that Nidal Malik Hasan was a conflicted homosexual Muslim who undertook jihad to expiate his sin and gain grace with Allah in preparation for entering Heaven.
Cases in point:
1. His profile: 39 year old, single, never married, childless "pious" Muslim male of Arab/Palestinian/Jordanian ancestry. Within a modern American cultural context, that wouldn't be too out of the ordinary, or at least most modern Americans wouldn't give much thought to a childless, unmarried 39-year old. From a Muslim perspective, however, that status would be highly unusual and considered rather freakish. The pressure in Arab/Muslim communities is so great to get married - and the institutions to arrange marriages so well developed - that it is extremely bizarre for this guy to be childless, unmarried and 39 years old. This might be the case because:
A. He was for all intents and purposes an American, in terms of citizenship, culture and psychology. He was born and raised in the US after all so it would have been nearly impossible to totally divorce himself from the American culture he grew up in. Therefore getting through his 30s without being married or with children is totally possible from an American perspective. Either he did this because he was heterosexual and just wasn't into marriage, or didn't like the concept of children, or didn't get along well with women, didn't want to be tied down, or whatever. This issue is quite common with many heterosexual American men and could technically be disregarded.
B. What I think is much more likely, from a perspective which takes Islam into account, is that he had sexuality issues which were never surmounted during his life. According to reports, Nidal Malik Hasan was "pious" which on one hand meant that he should have been married and had children by now, but on the other hand he may have fundamentally not liked women, sexually, socially or otherwise. As a "pious" Muslim with advanced degrees and a good job, he would have been a very attractive catch, either for other pious American Muslim women or for an arranged marriage with a migrant woman from the Arab/Islamic world. Being married could have been taken care of in less than 30 minutes with a burqa wearing Islamic bride if he really wanted it. But he didn't, and that is very odd, hence my assertion that the guy probably was a homosexual, or at least had homosexual tendencies that he wasn't able to reconcile.
2. As you might know, sodomy and Islam officially don't mix. (Do they officially mix in any religion??) So if the guy was in fact homosexual, either in thought or deed, then this would have created a serious conflict within him. An interesting point about Islam and homosexuality:
A. While "sodomy" is banned in Islam and is considered one of the highest crimes, Islam requires four male witnesses to secure a conviction, therefore by default Islam often promotes homosexuality because of the this high number of witnesses required for a conviction of sodomy - and more importantly - the total gender segregation in Islamic societies which ultimately forces boys/men to have sex with other boys/men since women are simply unavailable (which is also the case in prison when women aren't available, i.e. the establishment of Islam is like forcing everyone to live in jail).
B. As an Islamic legal technicality, as long as you don't have four witnesses for a sex act, then you'll never officially get into trouble with Islamic authorities for the crime of sodomy, so many Muslim men participate in it because they have no access to women. Of course, Islamic authorities don't run America so this technically is a non-issue in this case; but this forced homosexuality does manifest itself VERY OFTEN within Islam-dominated cultures. I.e. guys are gay until they get married then they revert to heterosexual behavior, much like ancient Greece.
3. Important background information about getting into heaven in Islam:
A. Unlike Christianity, getting into heaven in Islam is not allowed because of one's faith in God or one's faith in the messenger Muhammad, but rather, because when you die you go up to heaven and the angels tally your good deeds and your bad deeds, and as long as your good deeds are just slightly higher than your bad deeds, then you get let in.
B. Merits and demerits are tracked by these angels in Islamic heaven almost as if the Muslim in question is living in a game show: Do one bad thing and you get X demerit points and do one good thing and you get Y merit points. I personally refer to this system of Islamic heaven deed tracking as "Islamic Religious Points".
C. Therefore, the ultimate goal of a Muslim is not necessarily to be completely good or completely bad, but rather, just to make sure that he has the highest number of Islamic Religious Points by the end of his life in order to increase the chances that he'll get into Islamic heaven with enough positive religious points.
D. In order to get these Islamic religious points, there is a number of things you can do to qualify which are spelled out in the Quran as well as the Sunnah and Hadeeth texts about Muhammad's life. These range from "being a good Muslim", doing things to promote Islam, and generally living an Islamic lifestyle. Primarily, this means praying five times a day and fulfilling the other 4 "Pillars of Islam" (profession of Islamic faith, giving charity only to other Muslims, fasting during Ramadan, and pilgrimage to Mecca). For the most part, if you pray five times a day and fulfill the other four pillars of Islam you get your standard Islamic Religious Points and the angels track this and you're likely to get into heaven.
E. This can become problematic for religiously lazy or sinful Muslim because what happens if a Muslim falls off the Islamic bandwagon so often that he skips so many prayers and does so much sinful stuff (extramarital sex, doesn't believe in Allah, talks to women, drinks beer, etc.) that the Muslim realizes, "I've been so bad that there's no way I can possibly get into heaven!" If a Muslim has this thought, then the natural next thought is: "I might as well give up on Islam because I'm just going to lose." BUT, one of the "brilliant" elements of Islam is that it offers these losers and sinners numerous chances to earn BONUS points. Islam allows you to double up on prayers to make up for skipped prayers, it allows you to give extra prayers during certain holy months and on super holy evenings that you can actually earn SUPER BONUS points. Of course, Islam and Muslims don't refer to them as such and would be offended by the suggestion that their religion offers game show-like super bonus points, but so it is.
F. Lastly, the ultimate source of super bonus points is dying in defense/promotion of Islam as a martyr, i.e. jihad.
So if you look at the profiles of many suicide murderers in Islam, you will see one of several patterns:
A. Muslim X is a sinful Muslim and "no-one would suspect" this Muslim of ever falling into jihad because their sinful behavior was so unIslamic that people would possibly even view him as "not being a Muslim".
B. Muslim X has experienced something so shameful that the Islamic community totally ostracizes the man/woman and this person lives a life of despair: this is often the case for female suicide bombers who have often been raped because Islam usually believes in shared-fault with rape and blames the woman for her rape and punishes her accordingly. At a minimum, a woman who is raped - and the community finds out about this - her life is basically over because no "pious" Muslim is going to marry a filthy whore who has had extramarital sex, rape or not. (Whether or not the man has hypocritically had extramarital sex is a non-issue here because men are held to a different standard.)
C. Muslim X lives a life of mental torment and conflict because he is something that Islam inherently rejects, or he does something which will never be reconciled with Islam and/or forgiven under normal circumstances by Allah. Often this is the case with suicide murderers who are single, unmarried and childless, and most probably either gay or otherwise socially unacceptable to the Islamic community.
Yet for these people living a life of despair who cannot tolerate life on Earth - and who are not tolerated by Muslims on this Earth - there is one possible way out: get into good graces with Allah by fighting jihad for Islam. If Allah is graceful enough and pleased enough with your jihad, he might just forgive your plethora of sin and let you into Islamic heaven.
Therefore, it is my view that Nidal Malik Hasan undertook his jihad against the infidel soldiers and great "enemy of Islam" - the American military - in order to gain favor with Allah.
NOTE: Islam is a religion of violence which promotes lying to infidels and the murder of all of those who stand in Islam's way. When the media reports on a person being a "pious Muslim" this MUST start sending up red flags in the minds of all of us. Unlike a pious believer in Jesus Christ, who most likely would attempt to emulate Jesus' pacifistic, non-violent and charitable lifestyle, the "pious Muslim" seeks to emulate the life of Muhammad, a pedophile who married and raped 9-year old girls, a man who tortured and murdered anyone who disagreed with him, a man who employed genocide and ethnic cleansing against the Jews and infidels of Arabia in the 7th Century, and a man who sought to dominate and destroy every non-Islamic society and individual on Earth.
If we were to look at religion as a computer operating system, then we need to be extremely concerned whenever the Islamic mental operating system gets fired up in someone's mind because the first lines of code that get executed during boot-up are the destruction of democracy, the subordination of women, and the eventual destruction of all non-Muslims through one-on-one violence or global Islamic jihad. Yes, Nidal Malik Hasan wa a pious Muslim, and by all accounts rapidly getting more pious. What was the ultimate consequence of his increasing Islamic piety?
That mass murder of non-Islamic Americans whom he viewed - as a Muslim - as the enemies of Allah.