In FrontPage this morning, I summarize what we know so far:
Major Nidal Malik Hasan, a U.S. Army psychiatrist, murdered twelve people and wounded twenty-one inside Fort Hood in Texas yesterday, while, according to eyewitnesses, "shouting something in Arabic while he was shooting." Investigators are scratching their heads and expressing puzzlement about why he did it. According to NPR [1], "the motive behind the shootings was not immediately clear, officials said." The Washington Post [2] agreed: "The motive remains unclear, although some sources reported the suspect is opposed to U.S. involvement in Afghanistan and Iraq and upset about an imminent deployment." The Huffington Post spun faster, asserting that "there is no concrete reporting as to whether Nidal Malik Hasan was in fact a Muslim or an Arab."Yet there was, and what's more, Major Hasan's motive was perfectly clear -- but it was one that the forces of political correctness and the Islamic advocacy groups in the United States have been working for years to obscure. So it is that now that another major jihad terror attack has taken place on American soil, authorities and the mainstream media are at a loss to explain why it happened - and the abundant evidence that it was a jihad attack is ignored.
Nidal Malik Hasan was born in Virginia but didn't think of himself as an American: on a form he filled out at the Muslim Community Center in Silver Spring, Maryland, he gave his nationality not as "American" but as "Palestinian." A mosque official found that curious, saying: "I don't know why he listed Palestinian. He was not born in Palestine."
He is a graduate of Virginia Tech and has a doctorate in psychiatry from the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences. While there, NPR reports, Hasan was "put on probation early in his postgraduate work" and was "disciplined for proselytizing about his Muslim faith with patients and colleagues."
He was a staff psychiatrist at Walter Reed Army Medical Center for six years before transferring to Fort Hood earlier this year. While at Walter Reed, he was a "very devout" member of and daily visitor to the Muslim Community Center in Silver Spring. Faizul Khan, a former imam at the Center, expressed puzzlement over Hasan's murders: "To know something like this happened, I don't know what got into his mind. There was nothing extremist in his questions. He never showed any frustration....He never showed any remorse or wish for vengeance on anybody."
So he identified himself as Palestinian and was a devout Muslim - so what? These things, of course, have no significance if one assumes that Islam is a Religion of Peace and that when a devout Muslim reads the Koran's many injunctions to wage war against unbelievers, he knows that they have no force or applicability for today's world. Unfortunately, all too many Muslims around the world demonstrate in both their words and their deeds that they take such injunctions quite seriously. And Nidal Hasan gave some indications that he may have been among them.
On May 20, 2009, a man giving his name as "NidalHasan" posted this defense of suicide bombing [3] (all spelling and grammar as it is in the original):There was a grenade thrown amongs a group of American soldiers. One of the soldiers, feeling that it was to late for everyone to flee jumped on the grave with the intention of saving his comrades. Indeed he saved them. He inentionally took his life (suicide) for a noble cause i.e. saving the lives of his soldier. To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate. Its more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause. Scholars have paralled this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers. If one suicide bomber can kill 100 enemy soldiers because they were caught off guard that would be considered a strategic victory. Their intention is not to die because of some despair. The same can be said for the Kamikazees in Japan. They died (via crashing their planes into ships) to kill the enemies for the homeland. You can call them crazy i you want but their act was not one of suicide that is despised by Islam. So the scholars main point is that "IT SEEMS AS THOUGH YOUR INTENTION IS THE MAIN ISSUE" and Allah (SWT) knows best.Of course, it may not be the same Nidal Hasan. But there is more. One of his former colleagues, Col. Terry Lee, recalled Hasan saying statements to the effect of "Muslims have the right to rise up against the U.S. military"; "Muslims have a right to stand up against the aggressors"; and even speaking favorably about people who "strap bombs on themselves and go into Times Square."
Maybe he just snapped, perhaps under the pressure of his imminent deployment to Iraq. But it's noteworthy that if he did, he snapped in exactly the same way that several other Muslims in the U.S. military have snapped in the past. In April 2005, a Muslim serving in the U.S. Army, Hasan Akbar, was convicted of murder for killing two American soldiers and wounding fourteen in a grenade attack in Kuwait. AP reported: "Prosecutors say Akbar told investigators he launched the attack because he was concerned U.S. troops would kill fellow Muslims in Iraq. They said he coolly carried out the attack to achieve 'maximum carnage' on his comrades in the 101st Airborne Division."
And Hasan's murderous rampage resembles one that five Muslim men in New Jersey tried to carry out at Fort Dix in New Jersey in 2007, when they plotted to enter the U.S. Army base and murder as many soldiers as they could.
That was a jihad plot. One of the plotters, Serdar Tatar, told an FBI informant late in 2006: "I'm gonna do it....It doesn't matter to me, whether I get locked up, arrested, or get taken away, it doesn't matter. Or I die, doesn't matter, I'm doing it in the name of Allah." Another plotter, Mohamad Shnewer, was caught on tape saying, "They are the ones, we are going to put bullets in their heads, Allah willing."
Nidal Hasan's statements about Muslims rising up against the U.S. military aren't too far from that, albeit less graphic. The effect of ignoring or downplaying the role that Islamic beliefs and assumptions may have played in his murders only ensures that - once again - nothing will be done to prevent the eventual advent of the next Nidal Hasan.
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"To know something like this happened, I don't know what got into his mind..."
I taking a wild guess here. Could it be... the texts, tenets, and teachings of Islam?
Kudos to Robert for getting a detailed and cogent analysis out the day after the event.
See the pattern here?
He takes advantage of all that America has to offer:
Good education
Clean environment to live in
Enlisting in the army, getting paid and being promoted despite reservations about his efficiency
Higher studies on army expenses
Freedom to practice his religion
Access to arms
Belief of the Americans that all religions and cultures are equal
And yet, when it comes to doing his duty as an American soldier, he employs a lawyer to get out of the military.
He refuses to kill other muslims even though they are declared enemies of his nation - a nation that funded the major's higher studies.
To him, his religion takes precedence above all other allegiances - his country, his family...........even his humanity.
America should conduct double checks on muslim recruits in the army and not be ashamed about it.
Do not try to hide it.
The military should openly say: past experiences have shown us that we need to be careful before employing muslims.
The time for political correctness is over.
This guy was a Hokie? Say it isn't so!!
Thank you, Robert. Jihad Watch was the first site I turned to for information about this terrible event.
Thank heaven for the Internet and the ability to get updates without having to sit through tv reports with people making excuses for Hasan, and Muslim groups' playing the victim to "backlash" pre-emptively.
Was just listening to MSNBC (yeah, I know) and heard Joe Scarborough and his colleague both opine that it appears that the motive for the killings was political (thereby partially stumbling into the truth since Islam is very political, though they were completely unaware they did so). Scarborough went on to say that the killer was walking around in traditional Muslim garb shortly before the murders but that there is nothing wrong with that. The cluelessness continues and, unfortunately, it will continue to continue for a fairly long time to come, though in the body politic at large it is seeping in more and more that it's the Islam, stupid.
"Belief of the Americans that all religions and cultures are equal" - Khushi
What? That's not an "American" belief.
The Moslem culture certainly is not "equal" to ours for many and varied reasons, and I don't think anybody would believe that, no matter how PC they are.
And I certainly don't believe that any other "religion" is "equal" to the two Abrahamic faiths, Judaism and Christianity. Buddhism and Hinduism have my respect because they don't mass-murder people, in accordance with their texts and teachings, as Islam does. I have no respect for Islam, and even consider idiotic Scientology to be superior to Islam, as Scientologists don't have mass-murder in their texts and teachings.
In short, "all" "religions and cultures" are not "equal." That's absurd, and certainly not an "American" belief.
From article: He is a graduate of Virginia Tech and has a doctorate in psychiatry from the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences.
This was a four year medical school paid for by the US taxpayer...Four years of medical training is similar to that of a registered nurse...probably a RN is better medically qualified...You would think the US military could do better than that...
"So he identified himself as Palestinian and was a devout Muslim...."
Obviously, the poor guy was a misunderstander. Since we're told by apologists that jihad isn't at all about world domination but about "liberating" palestine from those dreadful Jews this guy was sooooo confused. What he really needed to do was get to palestine and do this there.
Yeah right. Once again jihad is simply about world domination that calls for the killing of as many "infidels" as possible to help bring this about.
Islam remains the crazy aunt you have locked up in the attic. Nobody wants to talk about her, but every once and a while the screaming is too loud to ignore.
The mainstream media coverage is like a Christian Scientist with appendicitis. They'd like to say jihad, but are afraid to. The Nazis at CAIR must be cackling into their coffee.
OK, I just watched Matt Lauer/Meredith V on the News.
It's an established fact that the Jihadist shouted "allah akbar" before shooting. A father of a female soldier who escaped being killed in that room has said this. Others in the killing room have confirmed. Yet, Matt/Meredith are wondering whether a "religious motivation" is involved! Oh yeah, they're concentrating on the "stress" factor (!) and also mentioned that Hasan had been "harassed" for being a Muslim.
OK - People, whatever you are being "harassed" about in your life, go ahead and take out 13 people (another soldier has died), and the PC News will get all snuffly about it with the implication that your actions were justified. Esp if you're a Mohammedan.
Eight years after 9/11, 8 years filled with many Islamic Jihad's worldwide, how can they be so stupid?
I can't believe how low the United States has fallen. So cowed by political correctness/multiculturalism that supposedly-intelligent people are making excuses for a Muslim. A Muslim Mass-Murderer. It's unbelievable.
Hello out there in Moonbat Land - IT'S AN ISLAMIC JIHAD.
Have been watching the coverage on Fox[DC area]. They were interviewing Lise Van Susterain, a psychiatrist. Don't know if she's related to Greta.
She and her Fox interviewers were so politicaly correct it was nauseating. Not one word about Islam as a motive of Hassan.
Not one word about how this guy said Muslims should rise up against the U.S. military. Or his support for "Shahid" suicide bombings.
All they talked about was "stress" on returning soldiers. The media is going out of it's way to avoid Islam itself as a motive.
How many more atrocities will it take (I shudder to wonder) before our politicians have the courage to do the obvious: ban all Muslims from the American military. No military unit can function cohesively with concerns about traitors in its midst. Separate units for Muslims could be created (as was done with Japanese Americans during WWII, who served with extraordinary distinction), but even if Muslim units are created, each would need to be led by a non-Muslim.
let the white wash begin:
1 CAIR issues a press release condemning the killings:
Check.
2 Politically correct media will ignore link to Islam. Of Who What Where Why, the Media will attempt to not answer Why. And even when why becomes painfully clear to most, they will continue to ignore it. Did he really yell Allah Akbar, before emptying his clip? A majority of the population will not be aware of this critical fact. If they are, they will have heard from the media that Malik was a victim of various forms of discrimination.
Even better liberal media will use the tragedy to play politics. Note here an article that chastises Fox news for allowing a forum "racist" and threatening comments
status: in process
3 The President and other political leaders will meet with
interfaith leaders, including Muslims, over fear of retaliation. The same old tired "religion of peace" hijack will be dusted off and paraded about.
Obama started out his comments on the shooting by making a 2 minute shout out to the organizers of the Native conference he was at, and his peeps, before
status: being planned, after Obama gets the polling numbers.
4 He must of been mentally ill explanation, like a salve, will be liberally applied, to explain all inconvenient facts. See mall shooters Utah-Boston-Omaha-etc, see LAX shooter, Fort Dix, Kuwait grenade fragging etc. Note: the fact that Malik gave away his possessions and was handing out Korans the day before he went "crazy"
status: in process
5 No one will question what the repeatable root cause of this was, and no one will question whether our policies on immigration will make this an ever more recurring problem.
Take a look at the 10-23-09 Illinois slaughter house raid, the workforce at the slaughter house was reportedly, primarily Somalian. But what is worse, the owner of the slaughter house also had a Somalian immigration operation to supply both legal and illegal cheap workers for the slaughter house. Where we sell out the country for a ten cent cheaper burger.
status: off the radar completely
Note: Malik had no problem joining the military, and having the US taxpayers underwrite his education costs, yet he clearly had a problem going to Iraq where he would have been assigned to a "safe" battlefield stress facility in the Baghdad green zone.
Robert,
Any word yet on the (expected) rejoicing in Iran, Iraq, Egypt, Somalia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Dearborn, etc?
Fox is plenty PC...Just not quite as much as the rest of the MSM...
They are especially PC when it comes to anything Islamic...On a scale of 1-10 their PC rating is about 6...
Major Hasan never experienced any combat related stress. He worked mightly to avoid meeting his commitment.
Oh yeah, Rick, I forgot, pictures of Palestinians shooting AK47s to celebrate the shootings.
status: ignored.
"The Huffington Post spun faster, asserting that "there is no concrete reporting as to whether Nidal Malik Hasan was in fact a Muslim or an Arab." "
Is anyone surprised by this? When America suffers, the HP and others on the Hatetrain will be by as soon as they can to ignore the obvious, run interference for those who hate America, and fling their dung at Americans.
"In April 2005, a Muslim serving in the U.S. Army, Hasan Akbar, was convicted of murder for killing two American soldiers and wounding fourteen in a grenade attack in Kuwait."
Hasan Akbar held the rank of Sergeant. His attack was both grenade, rolling one or more grenades into a tent of sleeping soldiers, as well as rifle, when he opened fire on military personnel outside the tent, murdering a Major and a Captain.
His mother's name was "Quran Bilal". Her first husband, Hasan Akbar's stepfather (meaning I guess that his mother had at least three husbands) "pleaded guilty on Wednesday to illegally possessing four guns. The defendant, William M. Bilal, 56, a convicted felon, was married for five years to the mother of Sgt. Hasan Akbar...A few weeks after the attack, the authorities, acting on a tip, seized weapons, ammunition and body armor from Mr. Bilal's home."
The family that prays together...
Akbar's mother, "Quran Bilal", changed her son's name to "Hasan Akbar" from his birth name -- get this: "Mark Fidel Kools".
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/12/us/national-briefing-south-louisiana-a-weapons-charge.html
C-SPAN totally ignored the shooting. The host, one of the better ones, referred in an off-handed manner to "the shooting at Fort Hood". The first hour was all health care and the second was all Obama, with his campaign manager's book.
So that none of the yahoos here can claim we American Muslims did not publicly condemn this act:
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North Texas Islamic Council
For Immediate Release: Dated: 11/05/2009
"The North Texas Muslim community is shocked at the killing that took place at Fort Hood, Texas today. The North Texas Muslim community strongly condemns the killings at Fort Hood and offers our deepest condolences to the affected families."
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ICGA (Islamic Center Great Austin) joins local and national Muslim organizations in their strong denouncement of the shooting incident at Fort Hood, TX. We fully endorse the statements from CAIR and ISNA.
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“We condemn this cowardly attack in the strongest terms possible and ask that the perpetrators be punished to the full extent of the law. No religious or political ideology could ever justify or excuse such wanton and indiscriminate violence. The attack was particularly heinous in that it targeted the all-volunteer army that protects our nation. American Muslims stand with our fellow citizens in offering both prayers for the victims and sincere condolences to the families of those killed or injured.” -- CAIR
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“The soldier who led this attack was either mentally unstable, or was motivated by a perverted ideology for which there can be no justification. ISNA is proud of the many Muslim men and women who serve loyally in the United States military. We are grateful for the sacrifices made by all US soldiers, who represent the religious, racial and ethnic diversity of America, to defend the Constitution and our national security.” -- ISNA
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Our immediate thoughts and prayers are with the wounded and with the families of the fallen, and with those who live and serve at Fort Hood.
We strongly emphasize that this attack and its perpetrator are in no way representative of Muslims or the peace-loving religion of Islam. The individual(s) who perpetrated this attack blatantly acted against the teachings of Islam. The Islamic Center of Greater Austin stand with their neighbors and join scores of other local and national Muslim organizations in offering prayers for the victims, condolences to their families, and assistance where needed.
Central Texas Muslims include many veterans and active-duty personnel in the US Armed Forces, and countless Muslims have served in the US military with distinction and honor. We call on all Texans to come together at this time and emphasize our common values, respect for the law, and duty to our country.
The Islamic Center of Greater Austin
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5 November 2009
Lt. General Robert W. Cone
Commandant, Ft. Hood Military Base
Ft. Hood, Texas
by email: fhrelocation@ hood.army. mil
Dear General Hood:
I am writing on behalf of the Muslim American Society (MAS), and our thousands of members throughout the United States, to express both our shock and our deep sadness in the aftermath of the shooting at Fort Hood that killed eleven individuals and left many more wounded. This unprovoked and unconscionable act of violence against American military personnel and civilians alike is utterly reprehensible, and against every tenet of faith and morality..
We offer our prayers and condolences to you, to the Fort Hood community, and especially to the families of loved ones of those who were killed and injured in this attack. May God Almighty comfort all of you in this time of great loss and sorrow.
Sincerely yours,
Imam Mahdi Bray
Executive Director
MAS Freedom (Muslim American Society Freedom Foundation)
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Peace
Abdullah
American Muslims condemning these murders will ring hollow with all those who know how hateful and intolerant Islam is. This is the religion that considers non-believers to be the equivalent of human waste and which was founded by a sexually deviant man enthralled by power and death. Islam is antithetical to what America stands for as evidenced by the Declaration of Independece and the Constitution of the United States (particularly the First Amendment). And so, condemnation by American Muslims of these murders, or condemnation by American Muslims of virtually any atrocity committed in the name of Islam, is nothing but crocodile tears mixed with a modicum of fear that the American people are slowly, but surely, coming to understand that Islam is not just another religion and that it warps the mind and soul terribly.
@darcy
"Belief of the Americans that all religions and cultures are equal" - Khushi
I wish your POC was believed by more Americans but I don't see it that way. Some, like you argued, know the difference of one religion over another. I agree with you concerning the superiority of Christianity over most other faiths and that Islam is the exact opposite of what all other religions teach. Many take the ignorant position Khushi mentioned. After 50-60 years of brain washing buy the MSM and schooling the majority of Americans rejected (unconscientiously or willfully) the faith of our fathers.
If what you say were true more people would be wising up to the deceit of Islam and we would have turned the corner by now on removing this cancer from our society. This war is about ideology and is spiritual in nature. The PC American POV is to stick their head in the sand and wish it away because of their unbelief.
Sympathetic to what you have written, Im.mad.as.Hell, except to say that I believe contempt for Islam by the American people at large will occur but it will take a longer time frame than you or I wish it would. Yes, I too want more Americans by now to be sick of Islam than are at present, though I would note that recent polls have shown that approximately 35% of the American people think there is something intrinsically wrong with Islam. No way it would have been 35% or so ten years ago. These percentages will grow, I am virtually certain, as Islam demonstrates again and again that it can't help revelaing what it's really about.
I understand your impatience. I am impatient too. But the American people take a long time to be talked into something and it will take more than just a decade for them to be talked into realizing that Islam is spiritual fascism.
At a personal level, I have been encouraged by several friends of mine who, in the immediate months or even years after 9/11, told me that they did not share my conviction that all of Islam is rotten but who within the last few years have said that I was right all along and that they were mistaken. Just last night I called a very close friend of mine to talk about the tragedy at Fort Hood and she told me that right before I called that she and her husband were talking about me and were saying to one another that when I told them back in 2001 that Islam was evil they thought I was over the top in my comment but that now they fully share my thinking about Islam. It was refreshing and encouraging to hear. One step a time, eh? My best to you and yours.
I`m appalled at what has happened in the USA! How many more people will die before the West wakes up to the fact that Islam is an evil ideology and we have to take steps to combat it. There should be no muslim allowed to be enlisted in the US army or anywhere in the West!
We must protect our people and too bad if that isn`t PC!
I`m reading Walid Shoebat`s book titled "God`s War On Terror" which states the truth about Islam and the times we are in which is prophesied in Daniel and Revelation and many other prophets in God`s word, the Bible!
Please read to be informed.
I`m appalled at what has happened in the USA! How many more people will die before the West wakes up to the fact that Islam is an evil ideology and we have to take steps to combat it. There should be no muslim allowed to be enlisted in the US army or anywhere in the West!
We must protect our people and too bad if that isn`t PC!
I`m reading Walid Shoebat`s book titled "God`s War On Terror" which states the truth about Islam and the times we are in which is prophesied in Daniel and Revelation and many other prophets in God`s word, the Bible!
Please read to be informed.
I`m appalled at what has happened in the USA! How many more people will die before the West wakes up to the fact that Islam is an evil ideology and we have to take steps to combat it. There should be no muslim allowed to be enlisted in the US army or anywhere in the West!
We must protect our people and too bad if that isn`t PC!
I`m reading Walid Shoebat`s book titled "God`s War On Terror" which states the truth about Islam and the times we are in which is prophesied in Daniel and Revelation and many other prophets in God`s word, the Bible!
Please read to be informed.
I`m appalled at what has happened in the USA! How many more people will die before the West wakes up to the fact that Islam is an evil ideology and we have to take steps to combat it. There should be no muslim allowed to be enlisted in the US army or anywhere in the West!
We must protect our people and too bad if that isn`t PC!
I`m reading Walid Shoebat`s book titled "God`s War On Terror" which states the truth about Islam and the times we are in which is prophesied in Daniel and Revelation and many other prophets in God`s word, the Bible!
Please read to be informed.
Sorry abot the triple post! Computer playing up!
Sorry abot the triple post! Computer playing up!
Dear AbdullahMikael, Thanks for posting your comment here about how various Muslim groups are condemning this latest of the massacres by people calling themselves Muslims.
But what you need to understand is that Islam's holy books endorse deception in the cause of Jihad against unbelievers, so these condemnations in no way prove the peacefulness of Islam.
What is really needed is for Islamic groups and individuals to publicly condemn the more than a hundred verses of the flawless unchangeable word of Allah that is the Quran. Can we ask you here to confirm that you condemn for instance 9:5, 9:29, you condemn Mohammed's ethnic cleansing terrorism as was enthused about in 59:2-8, you condemn the approval of rape stated in 4:24 and 33:50, and so on.
I sincerely invite you to thus condemn those many verses of the Quran, and the recorded conduct of Mohammed associated with them. But in doing so you would of course cease to be a Muslim in any meaningful sense of the word. Well, I invite you to do that too. In Truth, Q.
You ask, Carole63, how many more people will die before the West finally wakes up? Sadly, I think the answer is many. We are in a new hundred years war and it will take a very long time and many deaths before Islam finally becomes relegated to the trash heap of history as have Marxism and Nazism. I wish this weren't so, that a much shorter time frame for recognition of Islam's many pathologies would be the case, but I don't see that happening. Fasten your seat belt, the 21st century is going to be a bumpy ride, primarily courtesy of Islam, the world's most awful religion.
Memo to fellow regulars here.
I suspect - perhaps the jihadwatch team could confirm this? - that the sudden and frustrating 'stickiness' of posting may be due to a massive influx of new Infidel readers seeking information in the wake of the jihadist ghazwa (raid) at Fort Hood.
Patience is the key. Hit 'submit'. Then go and do something else and wait. If a timeout or other apparent failure of the posting happens, don't worry. Just go back to the homepage, and then try returning from there to the page where you tried posting. And you may well find that your post has in fact gone through, without duplicating.
Now, assuming the slowness is due to a flood of hits, each representing a new and receptive-to-instruction Infidel, it is incumbent upon us to avoid merely venting in response to this latest atrocity. Let us make sure our comments are information-heavy.
Suppose the parent or sib or colleague of one of those murdered soldiers is here for the first time. What they need is *answers*. They need us to point them to the Islamic texts - and deemed-Islamically-authoritative interpretations - in the light of which this man's actions are completely comprehensible.
Here, for example, are two very illuminating passages from the canonical Life of Mohammed by Ibn Ishaq, as translated by A. Guillaume, and a third passage, from the earliest known Muslim historian.
Ishaq: 204 - “‘Men, do you know what you are pledging yourselves to in swearing allegiance to this man [Muhammad]?’ ‘Yes. In swearing allegiance to him we are pledging to wage war against all mankind.’”
Ishaq:231 - “Muslims are one ummah (community) to the exclusion of all men. Believers are friends of one another to the exclusion of all outsiders.”
And here is Al-Tabari, a very early Muslim historian, in book 9, chapter or section 69, reporting words that Muslims believe to have been said by Mohammed himself - “Killing infidels is a small matter to us”.
These texts are not fossils from a distant past. They are not dead letters. They are still 'live' and carry tremendous weight in the imagination and practice of many Muslims around the world.
Well said DDA!
I am sorry you fail to grasp even the simplest meaning in what you referred to.
What you refer to is worthy only of praise.
I recommend you study them more and learn their proper context in light of the revelation and the history that it adressed as it was revealed within.
It was not a book handed down in completed form, but revealed over time which strengthened the message and the meaning and gave light to a people who were lost in darkness prior to its revelation.
Peace
Abdullah
...a new and receptive-to-instruction Infidel...
Yeah, new-and-receptives, make sure to take instruction from the Koran and the Sunnah and the sacralized histories. Try a Koran commented some Imam dude. That'll get ya going.
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And quit watching Larry King. Especially when he has Deepak Chopra on as a guest. Deepak's pseudo academic incoherencies will leave you befuddled every time.
You can see by AM's post to you that once again it is the non-believer, in this case you, who is at fault for not understanding proper context and meaning. Same old shit.
The Qu'ran is a repetitive, wordy, violent rant, in dire need of a good editor. It also needs to be arranged chronologically.
If it is unchanged from the "original" then there is something wrong with Mohamed's Allah, mentally.
Anyone who thinks that POS book is perfect obviously has not read anything else similar, like the Bible.
Personally I want nothing to do with Mohamed, his Allah or his invented ideology.