Surrender: US offers Taliban 6 provinces -- Taliban says no

"US negotiators had offered the Nazi leadership through Joachim Von Ribbentrop (former German foreign minister) that if they accept the presence of Allied troops in Germany, the Nazis would be given the governorship of six provinces in the south and northeast," a senior German Foreign Ministry official told NaziOnline.net requesting anonymity for not being authorized to talk about the sensitive issue with the media."

Makes about as much sense

Here, Mr. Hitler, take part of Czechoslovakia. I'll bet you're happy. I've got to run. Got to announce that there is peace in our time.

Delusions of grandeur. Another failed attempt at bribery...
The dhimmi kufr currently running the US government are too Islamic stupid to know why no 'real deals' are possible with the Taliban...But the Saudi's, and Turkish Mahoundians do...
After all, they are all brothers...I wonder what the US paid for Saudi/Turkish help...And how is it that the US can 'give' the Taliban any property at all? Does Rasool Obama think he 'owns' Afghanistan??? So it would seem...I wonder, since he has expressed support for the 'will of the Afghan people', if he bothered to ask 'them' about this...

They...did...what?!!!!

Just because dhimmitude has worked so well in your life, on the South Side of Chicago, and at Haaahvard, and your cringing, backwater, oddball life in Hawai'i, doesn't mean you can use my country and her precious men as your personal bag of marbles.

He reminds me of Potter trying to entice George with a job and a good cigar. Idiot.

Such an offer can only reinforce the enemy's conviction that we are losing our nerve and desperately seeking an out. What a brilliant strategist Obama is.

At this point Obama's looking for a retreat with dignity. I wouldn't bash him if he realizes that Afghanistan is not to be "won" and not to be "modernized" and not be "civilized" and not to be "westernized." It took the Brits, what, 75 years before they gave up. It took the Russians, how long before they threw in the towel.

Let's get the hell out of these islamic shitholes. Let them eat their young.

They -- the Americans making policy -- still have no idea what to do, do they? After the two trillion wasted on exactly the wrong (and in any case, unobtainable) goals in Iraq, the same kind of failure, mutatis mutandis, is taking place in Afghanistan. No undersetanding of Islam or of minds on Islam, or minds and hearts raised up in wild-frontier societies where one is conscious only of being a Muslim which means that Infidels, no matter how helpful or how kind or how generous they may be, are necessarily to be regarded with suspicion and hostility, seen as the permanent enemy.

Oh, there are trivial differences. The Afghans exist in a society riven or driven by tribal warfare, and they are, I suppose, as fighters much braver than the Arabs. And the fissures in Afghanistan -- sectarian and ethnic -- do not duplicate exactly those to be found in Iraq, though the need to recognize, and then do nothing to prevent the exacerbation, of such differences or fissures in what is described, repeatedly but inaccurately, as "the Afghan people" who exist even less, if such as possible, than that construct "the Iraqi people."

As for the treachery of the locals, it is probably the same as with the Arabs of Iraq (or any other place), or with the Pakistanis.

For a telling description, by a British military man who served in Afghanistan, of the sorts and conditions of Afghan policemen, read here:

http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_display.cfm/blog_id/23943

Ever tried to bargain with a sociopath? Since a sociopath sees no reason why they can't lie or deceive their opponent, negotiation simply plays to their strength.

Hugh:

In your comments above you hit it right on the nail when it comes to Muslim allegiances no matter what the infidel provides to them they are still the infidels in their minds.

And the British high ranking soldier wrote an excellent piece describing the risk in trying to get Afghanistanis to police themselves.

Saddens me to say this, but, this doesn't surprise me.

US negotiators had offered the Taliban leadership through Mullah Wakil Ahmed Mutawakkil (former Taliban foreign minister) that if they accept the presence of NATO troops in Afghanistan, they would be given the governorship of six provinces in the south and northeast"
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...they would be given the governorship of South Waziristan...

Oh, wait...*that* was in neighboring Pakistan, and everyone knows how well that worked out.

I have to admit, I am incredulous. This is naked appeasement, without even the lame fig leaf of pretense that we are—somehow—dealing here with some sort of mythical "moderate" Taliban.

more:

Saudi Arabia, along with Pakistan and the United Arab Emirates, were the only states to recognize the Taliban regime which ruled Afghanistan from 1996 to 2001.
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And what was that regime like—difficult as it might be for Westerners these days to think back a whole eight years? Even by Muslim standards—even by the barbaric standards of Shari'ah—it was *horrifying*. Women were stoned, gays had walls pushed over on them in Kabul stadium, members of the rival Hazara tribe (the Taliban is mostly Pashtun) were slaughtered outright.

Women were prevented from going to school, seeking medical attention, or even leaving the house without a male relative. Women were forced not just into hijab, but into the burkha.

Only the Shebab in Somalia comes close as an Islamic hell-hole, but they have never had the same stranglehold on all of Somalia that the Taliban had in Afghanistan.

*It is not overstatement to say that the Taliban was the most horrific regime of the late 20th century.*

And we were going to *hand six provinces over to them*. By agreement.

That they turned the offer down says nothing about Western decency, and everything about the Taliban's absolutism, and their sensing that the Americans and the Karzai government are so weak that they will soon regain control of all of Afghanistan.

Our leaders are acting like 10 year olds. The enemy must be laughing.

My my, how our War Against Terrorism has devolved.

If the Brits offered the founding fathers a couple of states and said but our troops must remain and we will control Washington through a corrupt puppet government, would the founding fathers have accepted it?

No wonder Obama has been dithering in announcing what he is going to do in Afghanistan. Before there was any announcement there were several things he first needed to accomplish: (1) Replace Karzai with more compliant Abdullah. (2) Negotiate a Status of Forces agreement that would allow NATO troops to remain in some form to avoid the appearance of defeat, and (3) Figure out how to package it all in a way that would be politically acceptable to the American public.

It appears that plans aren't going as well as he or his think tank advisers had hoped. Watching Hillary nervously rush around engaging in discussions with powers with whom she is clearly uncomfortable (and no, Hillary, wearing a table cloth on one's head is not a sign of respect, only that you confuse form with substance and are therefore not to be taken seriously). He failed with the first, and the story above indicates he's having difficulty with the second. My guess is that he realizes that his surrender is not going to go down well with the American public, so he's waiting for an opportune time, such as might be offered by a natural disaster of some kind, to break the news. Nature has not been very obliging, however, in offering up a disaster of sufficient magnitude that The One could use it. But desperate times require desperate measures, so he may have to make do with a lesser disaster, or perhaps he will discover a time honored course of action - manufacture one.

The headline should read -

Weakling loser, community organizer throws victory away in the "war of neccesity".

"...whom [Obama] I would bet a few good cases of beer on knows next to nothing about why Churchill was great)." -- Wellington

Obama returned the bust of Churchill that had been in the White House, Wellington. You win the beer.

Obama should offer the Taliban the whole of Pakistan - then maybe they might acquiesce the presence of Infidel troops in Afghanistan.

Maybe he could offer them Iran, and start a war between the Taliban and the Basij ;-)