A few weeks ago I was in an airport, having hurried from a venue where I had just given a talk. I don't ever speak from a written text, but I do carry notes -- a page or two of quotations from various Muslim Brotherhood operatives, etc., including jihadist and Islamic supremacist statements by some putative American moderate Muslims, as well as quotations from the Koran and Hadith, etc. I had this material in my suit pocket, and it dropped out when I took off my suit jacket to go through security. So a few minutes later I was again in the friendly presence of police and TSA personnel. One gentleman was holding up my notes and asking me why I had this material. I started laughing, because I realized that there was absolutely nothing in the notes to show that I actually opposed what was written there -- and realized that it might take awhile to straighten the whole thing out.
But I didn't mind. Because I knew what they were doing. I knew they weren't holding the bearded, swarthy fellow with notes full of jihad and hate because they don't like people of Middle Eastern descent, or because they hate Muslims, or what have you. They were doing their job, which was to protect the American people. These Welshman from Pakistan, or Pakistanis from Cardiff, should realize that. If they care.
"Muslim men plan complaint after being 'treated like terrorists' by airport police," by Abby Alford for the Western Mail, November 4 (thanks to John Doe):
A PARTY of Muslim men who claim they were singled out and treated like terrorists by airport police vowed last night to push for an independent investigation.The seven-strong group say they plan to approach the Independent Police Complaints Commission over the incident at Cardiff Airport.
The men, who are from Pakistani families but were born and brought up in Cardiff, said they were questioned and had their details and passports checked by police officers.
Two of the group also said they were singled out for hour-long interrogations, during which they claimed they were asked if they had extremist views and if they had ever been asked to carry out a terrorist attack.
Garage owner Sajid Hussain, 30, from Cyncoed, Cardiff, said: "It was clear discrimination. We were the only Asians in the airport. We understand they have a job to do and have to pull some people over, but it's just the fact that it was all seven of us. And some of the questions they asked were ridiculous. It was like they were saying to me, 'You have got a beard, so you look like a terrorist'. I felt quite bad that, just because of my appearance, I am considered half way to becoming a terrorist."
A police spokeswoman said: "South Wales Police takes its responsibilities very seriously in terms of respecting diversity in all individuals. We are very much aware of the sensitivities and considerations required in balancing the need to protect the public while respecting all individuals' rights and needs."
The seven, all friends since childhood, travelled to Cardiff Airport on October 24 to catch a flight to Glasgow for a friend's wedding. The first group to arrive - Atif Shabir, Ali Chishti, Sajid Hussain and Naweed Akram - were in the process of using the self check-in when they were approached by armed police, a plain clothes police officer and airport security officers.
Mr Shabir, 27, a self-employed property developer from Cyncoed, Cardiff, said: "They called us over to the side and checked our passports. They also took our names, addresses and date of birth and asked us where we were going. I asked them why. They said there was nothing to worry about and it was routine and all normal, but it wasn't because we were the only ones."
He said they were taken around the corner out of sight of other passengers. But after they had given their details they thought the police and security officers had finished with them so Mr Hussain joined the check-in queue....
Mr Ashraf, 29, an accountant from Riverside, Cardiff, said: "I asked the police officer why we were being pulled aside and he basically said he was airport police and he could do what he wanted."
Mr Hussain and Mr Akram, 29, also from Cyncoed, were taken to separate rooms upstairs where they claimed they were asked to empty their pockets and to hand over mobile phones and bank cards.
They said they agreed police could make a note of the last 10 numbers they had dialled as they had nothing to hide.
Mr Hussain claimed the questions he was asked included whether he believed in radical Islam, did he associate with or know any radicals, is hatred incited in his mosque and was he a practising Muslim.
Mr Akram said: "They asked me if, at the mosque, they were talking about the English Defence League and Welsh Defence League. I said that at the mosque, they just teach us about religion. Then the policeman told me there was a rally happening that day."
The Welsh Defence League had planned a march in Newport on October 24, but the protest fizzled out.
The group was only allowed to proceed to the gate shortly before the flight was due to leave. In the days after they said they were interrogated, both Mr Hussain and Mr Akram claimed they had trouble using their bank cards because they had been security flagged.
Mr Hussain said: "We (the UK) have gone to Afghanistan to promote our way of life - that is a very tolerant society that is very accepting. While here, the picture is different and is getting worse. It's a very sad situation."
Yeah, things are just peachy in Afghanistan as compared to Wales. Why don't you emigrate to that paradise, Mr. Hussain?
Until Muslims can give a clear, 100% successful method of determining who is on jihad and who is not (wait, aren't all Muslims suppose to overthrow kuffar governments until Islam rules the world).
Naw, that won't work either. 'Member the muslimah who had 6 kids and a memory stick with all that terrorist info on it?
Guess we'll have to be "better safe than sorry". Sorry, ulemma, but I bet you guys have come to expect this, what with that "smite the infidels at the neck" thing.
If only you could interpret the Qur'an and eliminate all those violent, genocidal verses.
It's true, there wouldn't be a lot left, but airport check-in might be faster.
Muslims always outraged by security measures caused by whom in the first place? Muslims. They can expend boundless energy fighting these infidel security measures yet cannot expend an ounce of energy fighting radical Islam. Now why is that?
I said that at the mosque, they just teach us about religion.
Like 9:5, 5:33, 9:29, 4:34, 33:21, 33:59, 76:19, and such other bunches of violence and lust that form the cornerstone of mahoundianism.
Muslims are never at fault but everyone else is like that mean Robert Spencer. The nerve of him carrying around quotes from the Koran and Hadith. What a hater. He should have been stopped.
What is "radical Islam"? How would that poor man be expected to answer that one?!
The worst about this farce is the way non-muslims are humiliated by the muslims whenever they get an opportunity. Danes are being discriminated in airports across the whole Middle East if they have names similar to any of the 12 cartoonists who drew Mohammad. I posted an article about this phenomenon last month:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/10/chicago-two-misunderstanders-of-islam-charged-for-jihad-terror-plots.html#comments
So muslims complain about being harassed in airports eh? Cry me a river. We should ban muslims from entering the western world.
I'm ashamed that my country is wasting the lives of it's young men and women in a futile effort to help people who only have contempt for us. It's like we have no honor anymore.
Little off topic, but I thought you all would like to see Bill Clinton mourning the al Queda dead in Bosnia.
http://www.srpska-mreza.com/Bosnia/Srebrenica/AlQaeda.html
Seems our attack dogs are onto us now?
Mr Hussain said: "We (the UK) have gone to Afghanistan to promote our way of life - that is a very tolerant society that is very accepting. While here, the picture is different and is getting worse. It's a very sad situation."
Yeah, we're all broken up about it. But be of good cheer, Mr. Hussain...you and your buds could always sue for getting your feelings hurt, and reinforce the notion that you are all a bunch of whining cowards. THAT ought to make you more welcome in Wales, DEFINITELY.
It is ironic that the security officials raised an eyebrow when they saw Robert's notes but are probably the same people who will swear to you that the Qu'ran is peaceful.
2 + 2 = 4, people.
Enough of the PC-crap. Authorities SHOULD profile, be it racial, religious, gender, etc..
Imagine the insanity of police NOT profiling when they have information that KKK members are planning a bombing of a synagogue.
In order not to offend white, heterosexual, "Christian" males - they stop and interrogate blacks, Asians, Hispanics, Jews, etc. - INSANE.
Jew Lover
You deserve it, Mohammedans. So, get used to it.
Oh, and get out of Wales, too. You have no business being there.
Mr Hussain said: "We (the UK) have gone to Afghanistan to promote our way of life - that is a very tolerant society that is very accepting. While here, the picture is different and is getting worse. It's a very sad situation."
... he must mean very accepting *of Muslims*.
The Sunnis make up almost 80% of the country's population, while the Shi'ites comprise 19%. Afghanistan has a small, low profile Christian community and most of them are expatriates. Conversion from Islam is considered apostasy and is punishable by death under the Shari'a Law. The new constitution has no reference to Shari'a but there have been reports that converts to Christianity faced societal discrimination, threats and in some cases have been murdered. There are no Christian or Jewish schools, no Christian churches, and one synagogue.
If you are Muslim you are guilty until you can PROOVE you are innocent. That is how it should be.
ah, the Muslim Lottery...
muslim air is the only answer. They can blow it up as many times as they want. other airlines need to be muslim free.
IT, I don't see why they should be allowed to use kufr technology. If they want to fly they all need to get their own animal. I suggest something white and long, larger than a donkey but smaller than an ass.
[rolls_eyes]
I've been stopped and questioned at least once in an airport.
I had very little idea of why, but it wasn't terribly onerous. I did have to rush a bit to make my plane. That was about it.
The questioners were polite and respectful, and clearly quite clever.
AND they were doing their job, which in this case was to figure out if I was a threat to my fellow passengers. AND clearly by protecting my neighbors they were, implicitly, protecting me as well. It was a FRIENDLY act intended for MY benefit.
I did what little I could to speed matters along and let it go at that. I was glad they were on the watch.
These characters who complain about it stink of suspicious motives and hostile attitudes.
"they were singled out for hour-long interrogations, during which they claimed they were asked if they had extremist views and if they had ever been asked to carry out a terrorist attack."
This is ridiculous. Our airport security personnel shouldn't be asking Muslims if they have extremist views. You think Muslim terrorists are going to tell the truth? Our airports should not allow Muslims to fly anywhere into the West. And Muslims should be deported from the West, so we don't burden our airports, train stations, bus lines, shopping centers, power stations, office buildings, government buildings, etc., with the cost of hundreds of billions a year and elaborate training in the arduous task of trying to discern the difference between a harmless Muslim and a dangerous Muslim.
In fact, it's the Muslims who are wearing a nice lavender tennis shirt and Docker slacks and who assure the security personnel that they are moderate -- it is those who present the highest danger, for obvious logical reasons. And that's why all Muslims must be equally suspect. And that is why they all must be deported from the West.
Asking a muslim if he has "extremist views" is absolutely ridiculous. What is an extremist? A pious muslim considers jihad a religious obligation, all forms of jihad including holy war against infidels. To him, that is not extremist at all but it could be fatal to a kuffar.
The politically correct, relativist idiots who refuse to learn, comprehend, absorb, and fear the islamic religion are extremists and threaten all of us by denying that islam is an inherently evil, violent, supremacist, predatory death cult. There are intelligent, educated people in the media who still insist that "real" islam is a peaceful, benevolent creed and muslims are ordinary folks. Unbelievable!!!!
Eventually the apologists for islam and muslims will run out of excuses and will have to admit that the "moderate" muslim does not exist. They will have to admit that what they call "moderate" muslims are muslims who have not yet joined their bellicose brothers in violent jihad, but who are working in many other subtle ways to achieve the same goal. What then? Will the charade continue?
That's right Hesp..They can be surreptitiously swapped for Christian Copts or even Swahili tribespeople for all I care..With no guilt trip and a rosy happy ending..I hear there are alot of Ghurkas that need help.If anybody deserves our compassion,it's them,and they'll appreciate it.
This shit'll be going on forever if things don't change,and they won't.It'll be like Pakistan..Bombs and bullshit every fucking day of the week.
There are two ways for Muslims to respond to being 'singled out'.
One is to blame terrorists for defaming their peaceful, misunderstood religion, and to comply with airport procedures.
The other way is to cry discrimination.
The first way recognises two indisuputable facts: that people have a right to be terrified of, um, terrorism - hence the term - and that if Muslim terrorists expressly associate their actions with their religion, then non-Muslims cannot afford to do otherwise.
Complaining about discrimination, on the other hand, furthers the terrorists' agendas and is therefore a form of complicity.
Any muslim who claims not to understand the public's fears about Islamic terrorism, and to blame non-muslims rather than the terrorists themselves for the existence of these fears, is either displaying grotesque insensitivity or is to some degree in sympathy with jihadist goals.
"Afghanistan is a very tolerant society that is very accepting."Excuse me while I laugh.Ha,ha,ha!Who said there
is no humour in Islam.Well,unintended humour.
"We (the UK) have gone to Afghanistan to promote our way of life - that is a very tolerant society that is very accepting. While here, the picture is different and is getting worse. It's a very sad situation."
WTF is this moron on about, if I was in charge or my party (the BNP) I would give him and all his colleagues and family and relations a one way ticket to Afghanistan and let them experience the love of Allah and his barbarian diciples. That is after we had pulled all our troops out and stationed them at the borders of the UK to stop these people of the religion of peace from entering - forever !