Brothel Jihad. "Egyptian Christian Man Attacked By Mob for Frequenting A Muslim Brothel," by Mary Abdelmassih for AINA, November 12:
(AINA) -- A state of fear has gripped the Christian inhabitants in the Upper Egyptian town of Mallawi after a Muslim mob tried to kill a Christian man for frequenting a Muslim-run brothel. Christian inhabitants are staying indoors, have closed their businesses, and are keeping their children -- especially girls -- away from schools. They fear wide-scale Muslim violence against them, similar to the violence which took place against Christians in Dairout on October 24,2009. (AINA 10-27-2009).The latest incident in Mallawi was prompted when a Muslim mob learned of the presence of a Coptic man inside a Muslim-run brothel. A group of Muslims broke into the brothel, dragged him to the streets where he was stabbed 16 times. "Acid was thrown on him, before being stabbed. He was taken to Minya General Hospital where his condition is still very critical," said Wagih Yacoub of Middle East Christian Association.
The 23-year-old Copt Mina Emad Shoyeb was taken by the Muslim driver Mohamad to a brothel run by the Muslim widow, Ragaa Mosaad Ismail, together with two Muslim prostitutes, 23-years-old Eyman Ismail Abdelmalik, and 25-years-old Maha Kamel Aly. According to Copts United Mohamed had agreed on a fee of 200 Egyptian Pounds for the services of one of the prostitutes, Maha, but decided later that he wanted to pay only half of that amount, an offer Maha refused. The Copt Mina decided to pay the full fee. Mohamad left the brothel, and enticed the neighborhood Muslims to revenge for their honor for harboring a brothel in their midst, which is frequented by Christians. This prompted Muslims to congregate, break into the brothel and carry out their attack.
Reports coming out of Mallawi said that since yesterday evening, November 10th, several Muslim mobs have been wandering around the town streets, vandalizing and looting property belonging to Christian Copts; State Security forces were called in to contain the situation.
Yacoub also said that business life in Mallawi has come to a stand still and Bishop Dimitrious of the Coptic Orthodox Diocese of Mallawi, Ansena and Ashmonein, advised students in Deir Abu Heness, Deir Barsha and all the areas East of the Nile Delta, to avoid going to school for fear of Muslim repercussions against them....
'They fear wide-scale Muslim violence against them, similar to the violence which took place against Christians in Dairout on October 24,2009. (AINA 10-27-2009).'
How could this be true??
It is incomprehensible.........(a la Obama)
Everyone knows islam is a religion of peace.
sarc//
What is it with muslims and acid? I mean it seems like whenever a mob goes after some poor kufir or woman, acid is involved. It's like they hand it out with other supplies:
koran, loose fitting robes, sandals, stick, pitchfork, acid, C4, AK-47, RPG-7.....
A Muslim...brothel?
WTF?!?!?!?
It is reasonable to assume, informed by the scholarship of pre-PC MC scholars of Islam using among other evidence eyewitness accounts and descriptions by contemporaries, that this kind of violent intimidation and harassment and punishment of Christians in modern 21st century Westernized Egypt not only characterizes the way Muslim societies treated dhimmis (Jews and Christians alike, as well as the more eastern dhimmis, the Zoroastrians of Persia and the Hindus of India) all along, going back century after century to the first century of conquest of non-Muslim lands outside Arabia, but is likely far milder than the bloodthirsty behaviors those Muslims of yore saw fit to indulge and enjoy -- if only because Muslims back then had no modern mass communications, cameras, satellites and Internet looking over their shoulder, as well as a government paying lip service to law and order in deference to the more globally superior Infidels, to at least restrain them slightly from the full-blown Islam they'd like to exercise.
Fortunately, back in the mid-19th century, when the superiorority of the Infidels who were already visiting Egypt as part of their own expanded Grand Tour, was clear, and British and French military superiority and willingness to apply pressure also clear, that is when Gustave Flaubert and his friend Maxime Du Camp famously visited the fleshpots of Cairo, no one dared touch a hair on their heads.
Had they done so today and stumbled on the wrong, Muslimahs-for-Muslims-only, brothel, not only would we never have had the obvious orientalist fantasy Salammbo, but far worse, the world's readers would have been deprived of "Madame Bovary." The history of European literature might have been different.
I can see the Fool now. Bee Bopping down the street yelling " you guys have some really great Whores down there".
Why would a so-called Christian go to a brothel in the first place???
To me, the whole thing looks like it could have been a setup.
From the article:
"The 23-year-old Copt Mina Emad Shoyeb *was taken by the Muslim driver Mohamad to a brothel run by the Muslim widow, Ragaa Mosaad Ismail, together with two Muslim prostitutes, 23-years-old Eyman Ismail Abdelmalik, and 25-years-old Maha Kamel Aly.*
' According to Copts United Mohamed had agreed on a fee of 200 Egyptian Pounds for the services of one of the prostitutes, Maha, but decided later that he wanted to pay only half of that amount, an offer Maha refused.
'The Copt Mina decided to pay the full fee.
'Mohamad left the brothel, and enticed the neighborhood Muslims to revenge for their honor for harboring a brothel in their midst, which is frequented by Christians.
'This prompted Muslims to congregate, break into the brothel and carry out their attack." END QUOTE.
I would like to know whether the Coptic man involved normally used prostitutes, and whether he had been to this particular brothel before, and whether any other Coptic man has been there. In the absence of that information, it's difficult to get a proper handle on the story.
But in any case it seems perfectly possible that the women and the driver (previously known to the Copt? for how long? were they 'friends'?) may have set a 'honey trap', with the whole episode being merely the trumped-up excuse for what follows:
"Reports coming out of Mallawi said that since yesterday evening, November 10th, several Muslim mobs have been wandering around the town streets, vandalizing and looting property belonging to Christian Copts".
Alternatively, it may not have been pre-planned; our incredibly foolish and horny Copt may have thought the Muslim with whom he went to the brothel, was a friend (nothing in the story about whether they had just met or whether they had some kind of 'friendship' or acquaintance, hence the going to a brothel together, perhaps proposed by the Muslim as a good one); while the Muslim on falling out with his companion about how much they were going to pay the females, reverted to type and decided - in order to exact maximum punishment on his former 'friend' (which of course means also massively punishing the man's community) - to invoke the sharia principle he seems previously to have ignored or pretended to ignore (the particular principle being that non-Muslim males are not permitted to have sex with Muslim females, under any circumstances whatever).
Nonie Darwish in 'Cruel and Usual Punishment' speaks of the way in which a Muslim in Egypt may act like a friend to a Copt, perhaps even for some time, and then quite suddenly, out of the blue, turn round and attack him or her.
One can only conclude that to be a Dhimmi is to perform the function of combination chew toy, punching bag, scapegoat, sex toy, milch cow (for extraction of jizya plus whatever else can be extorted ad libitum), and...human sacrifice candidate of choice, for Muslim psychopaths (both those born psychopaths who would have been so in any society [but who in a sharia-suffused society are massively rewarded and encouraged] and those who [though born neurologically-normal] have been violently reprogrammed from early childhood onward, with a psychopathic personality).
Final thought - Muslims in the West, especially in the USA, who are wailing and squealing about their fears of 'backlash' and lecturing us noisily on how we non-Muslims mustn't inflict collective punishment on the wider Muslim community for the misdeeds of a 'tiny minority', look absolutely contemptible when one examines the fact that in Muslim countries - as abundantly demonstrated in this story - the smallest actual or perceived or in fact wholly fabricated 'offence' committed against a Muslim or Muslims by a non-Muslim, is immediately followed by the eruption of howling mobs of murderous Muslim thugs bashing, looting, burning any non-Muslim they can get their hands on.
Horny and naive Copt goes to a Muslim-only brothel (perhaps tricked or lured into it by a Muslim he thought was his 'friend') and falls out with his Muslim male companion; result (since non-Muslims breach sharia rules by having sex with a Muslimah) - the Copt is lynched, and "Muslim mobs have been wandering around the town streets, vandalizing and looting property belonging to Christian Copts".
Meanwhile, in the USA, a devout Muslim with malice long aforethought takes up two firearms and massacres 13 unarmed US soldiers and wounds 38 others in a classic ghazwa raid.
And what follows? The murderer himself is shot in mid-rampage and thus stopped, then carted off to hospital, treated, and will be tried when he is fit to face court. But no mosques are burnt. No Muslim businesses or homes are attacked, burnt or looted. Muslim women and men continue to walk down the streets of the USA un-lynched; even though among them there are - it has to be assumed - many other future Major Hasans nursing their imaginary grievances, reciting their murderous Koranic programming, biding their time and making equally or even more extravagantly murderous preparations.
Muslims wailing pre-emptively about 'backlash' should have episodes like this lynching-and-collective-punishment riot in Egypt described to them, and then be asked coldly why exactly we should not inflict on *them* the very same type of collective punishment that Muslims clearly feel is wholly appropriate for them to inflict on toward non-Muslims in *Muslim* lands. Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. 'Would you like to be done by as you do?'
Now wait a minute, wait a minute...
Wouldn't the activities taking place in a Muslim brothel be considered Zina (unlawful sexual intercourse) and wouldn't those activities, under Sharia law, be punishable by flogging or possibly execution, depending on whether the prostitutes engaging in such activities were married or not?
Yes, yes, Muslims are very devout, and very peaceful, too, except when they aren't.
Abdullah Mike, care to take a crack at this one?
A whore house in Islam? What is Allah thinking?
Is this sanctified under sharia?
Multiculturalism, Islamic style.
Meanwhile, Hugh's point is salient; it was during the "bad old days" of colonialism that religious and personal freedom in the Islamic world were at their apex.
Isabellathecrusader : Wouldn't the activities taking place in a Muslim brothel be considered Zina (unlawful sexual intercourse) and wouldn't those activities, under Sharia law, be punishable by flogging or possibly execution, depending on whether the prostitutes engaging in such activities were married or not?
Temporary marriages would place that on the right side of the law. We all know how pragmatic islam can be.
"not only would we never have had the obvious orientalist fantasy Salammbo, but far worse, the world's readers would have been deprived of "Madame Bovary." "
Personally, I prefer Salammbô to Madame Bovary. I've read the former three times now in French, and enjoy it more each time; the latter I could barely finish.
Angela:
The young man went to the brothel as a heterosexual youth with needs and not as a Christian. To be plain, for Muslim young men there is much more opportunity to have sex, be it pedophilia, homosexuality (the 1st sexual experience for many Muslim teens in the countryside and poor urban areas), incest, rape, sleeping with the maid, an affair with a married older woman, Muslim college sweethearts jointly signing a piece of paper in secret which is called ‘orfi marriages (getting to be widespread) and a bunch more types of halal and quasi-halal types of convenient Islamic marriages that are in effect close to the casual dating culture in the West with a Muslim spin on it. Not to mention all the female and homosexual male sex tourists and otherwise promiscuous foreigners that visit Egypt every year to sleep around. Muslims who work in tourist spots are the overwhelming majority and being usually taller, better built and more confident and with much less scruples, so they do very well as gigolos and players. On the other hand, the majority of Coptic Christian young men, most of whom are very pious and traditional ( little choice really), abstain from premarital sex for both the fear of God or the real fear of what they would face at the hands of the Muslim mobs or the police, and of course, having very little opportunity to do so. Therefore, for the minority of Christian young who are welling to risk it, brothels, which Egypt has very many, is the only real option for them to have sex. Did I forget to mention that due to their severe poverty, most Coptic men marry very late and some never do. I would not be too judgmental and holier than thou about it.
Isabella - sure, prostitution exists and flourishes in dar al Islam.
Have you read Nonie Darwish's book on Sharia, 'Cruel and Usual Punishment', yet? She spends some time discussing Islamic 'marriage' and 'temporary marriages'.
She also points out that nikkah - the standard Arabic word for 'marriage' - also literally means 'f***ing'; and the whole thing may be reduced to this - he pays her (in the case of a publicly registered marriage, he pays her guardian) and she puts out.
There is also mention of prostitution in dar al Islam in this article:
Bruce Dunne, “Power and Sexuality in the Middle East,” Middle East Report, Spring 1998.
http://www.merip.org/mer/mer206/bruce.htm
He cites an Arab [apostate?] observer:
'According to Abdelwahab Bouhdiba, "institutional prostitution forms part of the secret equilibrium of Arabo-Muslim societies," necessary to their social reproduction.' [Sexuality in Islam (London: Routledge & Kegan Paul, 1985), p. 193].
it weren't no whoor howse, it was a typical neighborhood gatherin'.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ydr8hMxcUUo
there's even hope for the goat-ropers who eschew the ladies and lasso the laddies:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onZ_qJ11cKk
who said there hain't no fun in islam? why, that mohammedanism is a veritable cesspool of pious perversity. the problem is that they can't accept that they are afflicted with the human condition of sin. so for them, sin is virtue. sick and twisted. it's a total cultural norm. when you are raised into it, it's normal. they are so sick and twisted that they can't see how sick and twisted is their belief system, which is the foundation of their societies.
a sick and twisted "prophet" invented his cosmic bell-boy allah to pander to his deviant proclivities. now, mohammed is the example,,, sin is virtue. sick and twisted.
not islamophobic
And yet we have this story:
Fort Hood shooter frequented strip club
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/11/fort-hood-shooter-frequented-strip-club.html#comments
I haven't heard a single Muslim who has expressed shock or censure over Hasan's frequenting American strip clubs.
Why the disconnect? Because with the Ft. Hood Jihadist, it is a Muslim man getting lap dances from—as he likely saw it—worthless Infidel whores.
But things are different in the story from Egypt. While prostitution is considered haram in the Muslim world (although it is nonetheless quite common, from what I have heard), it wasn't Muslim customers or the prostitutes themselves who were threatened.
No, it was the Christian Copt who had the temerity—or ignorance—to think he could patronize a Muslim bordello without putting his entire community at risk from rampaging Muslims.
This has always been the case with dhimmitude. Christians who would never consider patronizing any sort of brothel—*and their children*—are at risk because of the unrelated actions of one member of their community.
I also agree with Dumbledore's Army that the whole thing may have been a set up. Since johns typically visit brothels on the sly where prostitution is illegal, it is unlikely that a Muslim mob would even have known about the visit unless they were alerted—most likely by the Muslim driver.
www.veteranoutrage.com
Im sorry but this is STUPID for any so called christian man to do..
First ok (all men have sinned sexually) ..
Ok i understand that...
But are you FRIGGIN INSANE going to a MUSLIM brothel??
You are SCREWING a MUSLIM WOMAN !!!!
Are you friggin NUTS!!!
I mean look talk about GIVING the muslims an excuse to attack and kill you all..
No im sorry but even though the man did nothing illegal
this is the same idea as me going to saudi arabia
and bringin in a 6 pack of budwiser and drinking it on ramadan outside of mecca in a muslim owned BAR..
IDIOTS.
We all must think more clearly now..
Muslims are looking for any excuse ..
this is why at my workplace.. there was a muslim woman janitor .. she was pregnant (and i tried to help her take out the trash)....
Even then i thought twice about it..
Because suppose some INSANE muslim cleric says to a muslim convert (ohh he looked at your wife) therefore it is ok
to kill him....
Is it possible i just put my co - workers at risk
by trying to be nice to a pregnant muslim woman???
I must be more carefull
robert might have a better answer than i do on some case like this..
Robert?
Thoughts?
am i wrong?
Why the world remains oblivious to the Jim Crow aspect of mohammedan culture just beats me.
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I often think that stupidity is a far worse problem for humanity than sin.
Joeblough - you wrote - "I often think that stupidity is a far worse problem for humanity than sin."
I am not sure whether it was C S Lewis or someone else who remarked, re. Wordsworth's line "Be good, sweet maid, and let who will, be clever", that it left out the corollary, "and in order to *be* good, you will have to be as clever as you can...".
I think Jane Austen would have agreed with that: she usually includes, in her books, plausible and cunning male rogues, in order that the females within the books, and those reading them, may learn how to spot Danger and avoid it. She is quite even handed, too, and non-sexist: she also has clever, amoral females, most notably Lady Susan in the early novel of that name.
Indeed, I think an interesting 'take' on the situation in Britain at present might actually be to do a Bollywood-meets-Merchant-Ivory version of Austen's 'Lady Susan'...for Lady Susan, all sly and sweetly-smiling, is Taqiyya and Kitman personified. Update the setting to the modern day, make Lady Susan a conniving Muslimah 'plant' whose English husband (dec'd) secretly converted (is it George Galloway who is suspected of having done this?), and who has a daughter for sale to the highest bidder; set it in the milieu where British Arabists and the remnants of Old Britain and the modern-day nouveau riche fraudster Lord Ahmeds and MP Shahids collide, alter the storyline a little bit here and there, and you have...the Corruption of Britain by Islam.
I should add: I'm not sure I made it quite clear enough in my previous posting that in Jane Austen's stories it isn't enough to be naively 'good' without being clever or wise; her good people in order to *stay* good, and avoid being duped or seduced or ripped off, have to keep their wits about them and learn to be smarter than the rogues (whether male or female).
It is OK for a Muslim woman to be a slut/prostitute, but not OK to talk to Christians or other non-muslims...Islam...feel the love?
Not C. S. Lewis, but Charles Kingsley. "Water Babies" and "Westward Ho."
As usual, you tweak my perspective and add some depth.
Also, the Bollywood-meets-Merchant-Ivory idea is great.
The rank cowardice of the artistic community (with few notable exceptions) precludes the artistic exploration of the situation that has grown up in Britain and elsewhere.
Perhaps some generations after the war is over, or after we at least have regained the upper hand for a generation or two -- assuming we don't lose -- someone will come along and try to do that sort of thing as a period piece, looking back on the early 21st or late 20th C.
But I very much like the angle and the concept. It's rich, it's deep, it's got amazing cinematographical (word?) possibilities, and enormous potential scope.
I also like your allegorical approach to our present situation.
But I suppose this is just for us here at JW.
I'm afraid a project of that nature is beyond the reach the resistance documentarians -- although I've heard that van Gogh's Submission was pretty good.
The ninnies and sissies of the big movie biz will NEVER dare even approach a project like the one you envision, and in fact, most would never even allow themselves to think about it, assuming they could understand it.
Movie-town courage is normally about 50 years behind the cultural/intellectual cutting edge. They are great at attacking enemies long since dead, and those they are sure will never strike back, especially if they are unfashionable as well.
In a culture that is only a couple of centuries into understanding that lending at interest is a good thing that actually helps everybody involved, the posturing babies in movie-land are still publishing allegedly daring condemnations of ... yup ... mean, stingy business people.
Give me a freakin' break!
BTW Dumbledore, do you ever do any writing?