When Nidal Hasan came calling
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The card reads in part "Life Skills." The bitter irony here is inescapable. Also inescapable is the conclusion that the "but for" cause prevails again, as it did on 9/11 and in so many other thousands of Islamic terrorist attacks since then. But for Islam those nineteen Arab monsters would not have perpetrated the tragic events on that terrible day in September of 2001. But for Islam Nidal Hasan would not have killed and wounded those he did yesterday.
Islam breeds hate, intolerance and great confusion about the human condition. It is necessary that one day it be nothing more than a testimonial relic of man's capacity for misdirection. I look forward to that day, though I may not live long enough to see it. It had better come, though, or a new dark age will descend upon mankind, courtesy of Islam.
Yes, the situation is this dire. Islam is incapable of reform but very capable of creating repression, misery and death. Its theological blueprint is a menace to liberty as much as Marxism and Nazism were. And I'm running out of patience for those who blindly persist in not seeing this.
Me too, Wellington.
I caught the "Behavioral Health", "Mental Health", and "Life Skills" on his business card. Orwellian, if nothing else.
(And forgive me, folks, if this double-posts. I've clearly had trouble posting the last two days. Using TypePad and Internet Explorer; must be one of 'em.)
Area code 301 is Maryland, DC suburbs, his former place of residence.
But really, what was he trying to accomplish by giving these items to a neighbor, knowing what he, Hasan, was about to do?
I think he wanted to be remembered as a pious muslim.
I will grant him that.
I will remember.
I would toss such a Koran into the trash. Let that gift from a murderer occupy a landfill.
Obama cautions about not jumping to conclusions. I fear it is not so much about jumping to conclusion as it is about a forbidden conclusion. No matter what the evidence.
You will not be allowed to join the dots, you have been cautioned!
This is a little OT but kind of related. Saudi Arabia has made sure that the Koran would be available in every library in the US. Some have several copies per library.
My information is based upon a few phone calls I made to four or five libraries in my area along with doing searches of this book in a number of library website. I checked out the book from my library and read in the front cover the reference to Saudi Arabia. When I did the searches or calls I asked specifically for the same book including publish date and titae. I think is safe to assume that the books that were at the libraries were from the same source and that it would not be to far to project that many many more libraries had received these books. One additional piece of information is that these books arrived at the libraries unsolicited in 2001 or 2002.
Physician, heal thyself.
Verses from the Bible. Go ahead, look it up.
Ezekiel 9:6 "Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women . . . "
Isaiah 13:16 "Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished."
Deuteronomy 13:15 "Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly . . . "
Leviticus 20:9 "For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death . . . "
Exodus 32:27 ". . . Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour."
Deut 21:10-12 "When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the LORD thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive, And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife; Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house, and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails; "
Exodus 31:15 " . . . whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death."
Deut 21:21 "And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die . . . "
Uh, too bad for your argument, nobody who claims to follow the Bible is doing that stuff? Haven't you ever taken a history class? And yet, every time a jihadist kills someone who is not if his faith, he screams "Allahu Akbar" and acknowledges that he did it for Allah.
You're not really that dumb, are you?
"Verses from the Bible. Go ahead, look it up."
And who exactly is acting upon all that?
WELLINGTON: "Islam is incapable of reform but very capable of creating repression, misery and death. Its theological blueprint is a menace to liberty as much as Marxism and Nazism were."
I would go a step further. Islam has infiltrated our societies to an extent that Marxism and Nazism could only dream of. Sure, the Soviets had the philosophical support of certain college professors, and the actual support of so-called 'agents of influence'. But Islam has penetrated the West with numbers and money sufficient to gain in a foothold in every conceivable institution, even - by way of influence - liberal Christian denominations.
How many businessmen, consultants, bankers, politicians, college administrators, etc., are dependent on Muslim largess? Nothing like this existed during WWII or the Cold War.
And yes, amigo, I have no more patience for the willfully blind.
IT'S OKAY! IT'S OKAY YOU GUYS!!
Nothing to worry about...we have a Texas imam who says Islam is not responsible.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.4302994757b171bec8635f48ee413c91.781&show_article=1
Phew! That's a relief.
"November 6," the difference (as I suspect you are already well aware) is that you would be hard pressed to find even ONE Christian or Jew today who takes any of those verses as a directive from God on how to treat people *today.*
By contrast (as you undoubtedly also already know), a significant minority of Muslims today DO believe that the Koranic verses commanding them to murder and oppress non-Muslims are still valid and will be until Muslims have taken over the world. When is the last time a Christian murderer shouted "Jesus is great!" or "In the name of Christ!" before committing a violent act? At least a few centuries ago, I'd bet.
I heard LT. Colonel Ralph Peters explaining this act of terror to Bill O'Reilly. No PC crap from him.
Geraldo just got on O'Reilly and insisted Hasan was a loony with no link to religion. I wanted to barf.
Thankfully, he was followed by Ralph Peters who insisted the opposite, that this was an act of religiously-motivated terrorism.
Verse from the Bible that abrogates all the ones you cited:
John 8:7 - And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, “Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.”
Go ahead. Look it up.
Where is the Islamic New Testament equivalent that abrogates all the violent Qur'anic verses?
Your point, as usual, is well taken, Cornelius, and is one I agree with. It is part of the reason why I have mentioned several times before here at JW that Islam is the "perfect storm" of totalitarian ideologies. It hides behind its religious veil and, precisely because it is not as transparently rotten as are Marxism and fascism, this too facilitates its infiltration in free societies.
I think Islam the greatest and most potent menace of all time to Western concepts of freedom. And the very liberties that Western Civilization pioneered like no other civilization in history are now being used by the Islamic world to eclipse those liberties right before our eyes. That is why it is imperative that Islam finally be seen by the body politic of the West for the evil which it is. The great turning point in the struggle against Islam will be this most important of recognitions. Not there yet.
Where we differ (and we differ on few matters) is that I am more optimistic than you are that this recognition will come in time to save Western Civilization. I think it not too self-asserting or promotional that in this particular instance you will hope that you are wrong and that I am right, though I concede that your position may prove the more realistic one. As always, my best to you and yours.
I'm one that considers much of the Old Testament as mankinds history- why we need Jesus. Yes, GOD did ordered death and destruction at specific times for specfic people. The people GOD ordered to be killed were very evil depraved people.
The quran as all muslims say is for all times- so it is death and destruction of all non-muslims for all times.
Death to all non-muslims even the good, caring, loving and giving people.
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Those are the same SOWdis who at the recent G-20 Summit were not ashamed at all to weasel for extra money should oil prices drop in the future as a consequence of planned reductions in fuel consumption due to mandated government responses to "Global Warming".
Those SOWids have plenty of money to put KKKornampfs in our libraries and to pay for constructions of mosks and madrazas all over the world.
In other words if we gave them any money we'd be paying for the dissemination of their propaganda and the construction of their indoctrination and command centers on our very own soil.
I bet the Bama is on board with that!
White man's greed creates a world in need - Jeffrey Wright
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"I think it not too self-asserting or promotional that in this particular instance you will hope that you are wrong and that I am right."
Damned straight Bro...nothing would make me happier than to someday have to eat crow over this.
PS - Your Steelers are in the thick of it...you lucky bum. My season is already over, but I'm watching the rest of the league with great interest. I don't think Denver is as good as their record, but the usual suspects - Colts, Steelers, Pats, Ravens - are all very impressive in the AFC...(don't count out the Dolphins, in spite of their record). The Saints are head-and-shoulders above anyone in the NFC...but how about that old fart in Minnesota? God, he is fun to watch!
Ding Dong! Major Hasan here with your Koran. Now, I invite you to read it and convert, but if you decide not to, I'm afraid I'm going to have to ask that you pay me half your income and be my sex slave, or I will kill you.
Actually, on second thought, maybe I'll just kill you.
Anyone see the NPR Morning Edition radio clip that is posted at LGF? I don't want to post a link because of the animosity between these websites, but it is worth a listen. Creepy really, about the shooters time at Walter Reed Hospital.
Replying to someone like you, Cornelius, makes me think at times that JW is often more fun than it should be (to the extent that this is true, Robert Spencer must be recognized again as a positive force for good). Forgive me for forgettig this, but who is your team? I know I should know this and I feel wretched about forgetting such pertinent information, but I think it the better part of valor to admit it up front and subsequently be determined to never let such an egregious lapse of memory occur again. And yes, my Steelers, never to be underestimated (very proud of this) are indeed in the thick of it at this point in the season. Really, and I don't say this because I'm a Steelers fan but because I think it is rooted in truth, over the past third of a century or more, almost every single year the Steelers are one of the ten best teams in the NFL. The Rooney family has created quite a dynasty, no? As for Favre, he's still potent; yep, he's still very good. Not to be discounted. And along with so many other players on the Vikings (like Allen and Peterson-----my God, did you see that hit he put on William Gay?), it's a team like that that should not be dismissed as irrelevant, though I do agree with you that the Saints are the best team in the NFC. Brees is even better as an NFL quarterback than he was when he played at Purdue.
Couldn't help but close by noting that this pleasanst digression respecting the NFL may confuse some readers here at JW, especially those who are not American, but to all those who prize liberty above all, it is exactly such digressions which fortify me in thinking that something as repressive and awful as Islam will never succeed in its designs because free human beings have too many wonderful institutions that could have never been created by the Islamic world (no way anything like the NFL could have come out of the Muslim sphere of mankind). Again, take care, buddy.
Indeed, Sounder. I am trying to ascertain the video. O'Reilly obviously needs the wake-up call like most of the world.
"Verses from the Bible. Go ahead, look it up."
BIG DIFFERNCE:
Those verses are no longer are BINDING to Jews and Christians, whereby the verses in the Koran ARE BINDING to the Muslims.
Here is a link to a close up of the card:
http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Fort-Hood-Shooting-shooting-spree-Killeen2C-Texas/ss/events/us/110509fthoodshooting/im:/091106/480/66682ecb21854fb895384e8b587169bd/
Any idea on the meaning of SoA(SWT) under his name?
A quick google gives Soldiers of Allah. I'm sure the Allah part is correct because of the (SWT).
Happy to. Do you actually have a nickname? Also, you might notice that those verses were not used by the Jews, much less the Christians as an injunction to subjugate the entire planet.Canaan was their goal in 1400 B.C. In the Jewish case, those laws regarding family relations were applicable only to Jews, and not gentiles. Also, that stuff disappeared from Judaism over 2500 years ago. In addition, see if you can find similar things in the New Testament my little friend. If Moslems only applied their koran, Hadiths, and other sacred verses only to themselves in their own lands, few would care.
"The Holy Quran" ...such a sickening title ..and whatta lie, too. The quran is UNHOLY & EVIL, at it's best.
LOL! Pamela has an enlarged shot of the business card. The guy misspelled Health on his card.
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/11/major-muslims-dawah-before-jihad.html
The NewsHour With Jim Lehrer this evening gave CAIR’s Honest Abe (Doug) Hooper a couple of minutes of prime time footage to spin their bulls**t. I nearly barfed all over my coffee table when he mentioned their efforts to “enhance the publics understanding of Islam.”
If the media actually does it’s job here, this terrible tragedy could be a watershed moment of understanding for the American public. The murderer was a Muslim. It was Islam that motivated him to kill. He justified his slaughter using Islamic doctrine. The rest of the story is small potatoes that only shines further light on the horrors of the cult.
What will it take for the media to grow some balls and start asking some hard questions about Islam and speaking frankly about what they discover? Another 911 size incident? The *Religion of Peace* is sure having little success living up to its name sake - what with its recommendation that Muslims slaughter and take the property of those they perceive have wronged them and all…
Geraldo has been under pressure to get his leftist views in order. I have a feeling that he is looking for employment outside of FNC. Geraldo Rivera's shows have become garbage television again, since he assumed to Keith Olbermann persona.
Vous rarement, si jamais, obtenez une réponse droite d'un musulman.
To Mr. No Name, No Face, No Brain :-
"Verses from the Bible. Go ahead, look it up."
I don't have to look them up, I know them by heart in their original language !
I have seen a Bull Fight in Madrid ! And before I die, I want to see a stoning of an adulterer !
The trouble is the show is on display only in countries to which I'm no allowed to enter.
By the way Mr. No Brain, King Solomon had 1000 wives ! ( poor guy..),
Today, Jews are allowed to have one wife ! ( Some say, One To Many !...).
Interesting, as a Muslim you obey the Biblical law to the Iota !... ( With some extras of your own!)
The irony of it all ... What is really unfortunate to Colonel Hassan 'Chops' is that this martyr-to-be failed. He is alive. He disobeyd Allah. He killed but was not killed.
His neigbour may have the chance to return the gift.
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I just watched the first episode of "V". Amazing how these aliens resemble the Chicago wing of the DemonRAT party. We could also call it the undercover moslem wing of the DemonRAT party.
Hardly a coincidence by the way.
Betcha whoever made this isn't going to be invited to the white House anytime soon.
Muezzins in small German villages, the largest mosk in Europe now under construction in Marseille... Anti-Freedom-of-Speech UN Resolutions co-SPONSORED by the United Stated with --->EGYPT.
World-wide islamification is quickening at an alarming pace.
God help us if the DemonRATS keep a majority in 2010.
Say goodbye to our Sovereignty for good..
The media is on board with the moFies already.
They really are spelling it all out on this new Television series. Hope, Change, Universal Health care. I cracked up more than once watching this segment in recognition. Gallows humor. Someone in the media/entertainment complex has had enough.
Let's see how long this show lasts.
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Slave of Allah.
Wellington,
You didn't forget...fact is, I've chosen as a matter of policy not to divulge my team (so as to avoid any possible linkage between my music and my personna here)....but suffice it to say they suck...and like a true masochist, I'm forever loyal to them.
As for Art Rooney, he was a great guy...loved by one and all. Money and power never went to his head in the slightest...he was a true mensch. You're lucky to have emotional investiture in an organization like the Steelers.
Your last paragraph was great. Yes, beer and football are every bit part of that uniquely American ethic so brilliantly expressed by our founders as the "pursuit of happiness". What a stark contrast to the sterile and mindless existence of our enemies...who so tellingly testify that they "love death more than life."
For every hate crime by a muslim, you can find at least one hate crime against a muslim:
here is one :
pregnant muslim woman stabbed 16 times by a xenophobe:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Marwa_El-Sherbini#Fatal_attack_in_the_courtroom
Nobody on here will see anything new in it, but I got steamed enough about the major's jihad and the governmedia taqiyya to write about it:
http://tomcox.wordpress.com
RSI
Start listing them then. We'll wait.
In how many such "hate crimes" did the criminal scream "Jesus is Great" right before committing the attack?
Sounder,
Dramatic rise in hate crimes against muslims :
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/16/gen.hate.crimes/
P.C. is fatal when Islam is involved.
The failure of the U.S. government and its military to properly assess the imperialistic and terroristic ideology of Mohammadism has been killing our military personnel as surely as IED's.
Someone now in the service should sue the Joint Chiefs for this gross derelection of duty ~their failure to know the enemy~ which has effectively resulted in the Fort Hood slaughter, and invited every previous killing within the military by stealth jihadists in uniform.
Until the Koran is studied as closely as the manual for any weapon, this War will continue to be studiously and consciously lost.
Pussyfooting to self-righteous extinction.
kamala,
Hate crimes are not all religously based but the consequences are similar,as the victims die not knowing or caring whether their pain and horrendous suffering was due to Islam or some other non-religious ideology.
The targeting of innocent minorities for alleged crimes/sins perpetrated by others is common everywhere, including the US : In 2001 after the 9/11 attacks, Arab Americans, Muslims, and Sikhs were victimized in nearly five percent of the total number of hate crimes reported that year (481 out of 9,730), a seventeen-fold increase over the prior year.
ref : http://www.civilrights.org/publications/hatecrimes/arab-americans.html
"What will it take for the media to grow some balls and start asking some hard questions about Islam and speaking frankly about what they discover?"
Actually, I was extremely impressed by the reporting on Anderson Cooper 360 this evening (on CNN). I wish Robert would post a link to the program.
Profitsbeard,
No ideology or system of government is perfect but if a comprehensive study of non- war zone muslim countries versus non-war zone western countries is taken, I am pretty sure you will find people in muslim countries are happier, safer and more family oriented while abortion and pornography are banned or discouraged in the culture.
Your link provides data from CAIR, which is a storehouse of lies and Islamic poopaganda. Promoting lies on JW has just earned you a place on the JW Liars Hall of Fame. Good job.
Enjoy the Moslim Da'wa and weep: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/usshootingcrimereligionislam
But there's only one major religion whose mainstream interpretation specifies, allows, and justifies "hate crimes" against women, gays, and non-believers.
Three guesses for ya -- I'll even give you a hint, it's not Christianity and it's not Judaism.
In tomorrow's edition, the Investors Business Daily has a column entitled: “Jihad’s 5th Column” listing some of Hasan’s deadly comrades in the Stealth Jihad:
“* Navy Signalman Hassan Abujihaad last year was convicted of tipping off al-Qaida to battle group movements in the Persian Gulf, including disclosing classified documents detailing the group’s vulnerability to terror attack.
• Army reservist Jeffrey Battle in 2003 pleaded guilty to conspiring to wage war against the U.S., confessing he enlisted “to receive military training to use against America.”
• Army reservist Semi Osman in 2002 was arrested for providing material support to al-Qaida and pleaded guilty to weapons charges after agreeing to testify against other terror suspects.
* Marine Abdul Raheem al-Arshad Ali trained at a suspected al-Qaida camp and was charged with selling a semi-automatic handgun to Osman.
• Army Sgt. Ali Mohamed trained Green Berets at Fort Bragg’s elite special warfare school before stealing military secrets for al-Qaida and helping plan bombings at three U.S. embassies in 1998.
• Army Spec. Ryan Anderson in 2004 was convicted of leaking military intelligence to al-Qaida terrorists, including sensitive information about the vulnerabilities of armored Humvees.
• Army sniper John Muhammad was put on death row after fatally shooting 10 in the nation’s capital a year after 9/11.”
Here's the link-
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=511702
P.C. and the Military is a deadly combo.
For the people in the military primarily.
You deceiver. That was a news story from eight years ago, right after 9/11. And some 300 verbal threats then added up to nothing compared to the American population at large. Yes, the Sikh who was killed, mistaken for a Muslim, was a tragic and stupid event, but the fact of the matter is that Muslims in America face NOTHING compared to Christians and those of other faiths in Muslim lands. For instance, how do you think a Christian would fare in Saudi Arabia were he to try and preach his faith there? You're a hypocrite and dissembler and, in microcosm, demonstrative of why Islam is becoming hated more and more all over the world with each passing year. Islam demands most everything, whines incessantly and gives nothing in return. Done here.
Good article in Investor's Business Daily tomorrow~ "JIHAD'S 5TH COLUMN" which lists some of Hasan's terrorist comrades who have already attacked the U.S. military:
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=511702
You pick an article from 2001 spun by the very reputable CAIR huh? Well then here's one from 2006:
"Article: Hate acts against Muslims decline; Crimes against Jews highest" Oh my.
Speaking of 2001, how about we discuss a real hate crime?, yeah, 9/11, and 3000 murdered Americans by Muslims.
How about this list of hate crimes by Muslims? 14341 and rising every single day.
And right now: Muslim vets group: No reports of harassment of Muslim soldiers. None.
Sounder,
No reports of harrassment of muslim soldiers because the attacks were not as big as the attacks on 9/11 and because "Jihad Watch" and other anti-jihad forums have not yet made a big thing out of this one single attack against our beloved soldiers
November 6--
What Mulim countries are NOT warzones? Are there any? Seriously, I'm not aware of any.
November 6--
What Mulim countries are NOT warzones? Are there any? Seriously, I'm not aware of any.
"if a comprehensive study of non- war zone muslim countries versus non-war zone western countries is taken, I am pretty sure you will find people in muslim countries are happier, safer and more family oriented while abortion and pornography are banned or discouraged in the culture "
Some examples of such muslim countries? And if these places are so wonderful, why don't you move there?
45ch wrote,
“No ideology or system of government is perfect but if a comprehensive study of non-war zone muslim countries versus non-war zone western countries is taken, I am pretty sure you will find people in muslim countries are happier, safer and more family oriented while abortion and pornography are banned or discouraged in the culture.”
Buddy, you are living in a fantasy world. You idealize Islamic civilization only because you have little to no experience with it or you are an indoctrinated Muslim dupe afraid to question the validity of your religion. The more Islamized a society becomes the worse things get for the population.
I am an ex-Muslim. Your saintly little prophet Muhammad was criminally insane. DON'T you get it yet?! He and his gang of criminals butchered thousands of innocent people during their raids. Those who would not submit to Muhammad and his Islam were murdered or enslaved. Hundreds of millions of people throughout history have been needlessly slaughtered due to Muhammad’s evil ideology.
If you had a daughter would you want here to grow up in an Islamic society where her legal rights and opportunities in life would be SEVERELY limited? Would you be willing to punish you own relatives SEVERELY should they go outside the lines of Islam’s ludicrously puritanical and largely harmful social codes? You may want to think about performing a critical examination of your religion chief. Sticking with Islam would be the worst mistake of your life. Peace.
Cornelius - Without a strong element of Marxism in the tertiary education system for many years, would the poltically correct culture exist to the extend it does today?
It is more a case of the squeaky wheel getting the most grease, enabling small but vocal minority groups (the more money the better) to advocate and push for changes. I always hear of people complaining of how immigrants do not bother to integrate and how they make intolerable demands. It wouldn't be possible without the provision for it. Imagine Coptic Christians in Egypt demanding for a separate law system. Would never happen and might even have a consequence for them for being so uppity as to ask.
And at what point did democracy mean to rig the electorate by importing voters likely to vote for your party? Major parties are so pragmatic they do not dare offend any group in society, so there will be a rise in votes for groups that say they will do something (nationalist right wing much of the time).
I just love it that an American chick brought him down!!!Go girrrrl! It's the only little bright spot in a world of horrible hatred and mass murder wrought by Hasan.
I just love it that an American chick brought him down!!!Go girrrrl! It's the only little bright spot in a world of horrible hatred and mass murder wrought by Hasan.
The U.S.: the biggest target of Islam, run by a president who insists the U.S. is not at war with it because some of his relatives belong to it, giving jihadists free keys to U.S. military bases. The Oxymoron President?
http://go.to/islamhistory
Uncleoinky,
No argument here...with one exception: Coptic Christians in Egypt in fact ARE granted a separate legal system, one that - for example - allows them to buy, sell, and consume alcohol among themselves, and to freely worship Jesus within the confines of their churches. These "rights" are of course accompanied by many legal liabilities reinforcing their status as second-class citizens (dhimmis).
But your over-all point is valid; the system in place that has allowed Islam to penetrate the West so thoroughly was/is NOT Islamic, but Western and liberal, with - as you suggest - a heavy Marxist hue in the educational system. In short, we have no one to blame but ourselves...and the Liberal/Left multicultural narrative is in fact one of civilizational betrayal.
45ch is not a rational human being with whom one can have a reasonable debate or argument: he is a murderous robot. The fact the JW commenters can't get that through their heads is evidence of the persistence of PC MC sensitivity in their hearts. You must root that out and destroy it,if you want to save our society.
"For every hate crime by a muslim, you can find at least one hate crime against a muslim:
here is one :
pregnant muslim woman stabbed 16 times by a xenophobe:"
Patent B.S. Actually, 45ch could only find one example and this one was instigated by the Muslim woman herself when she called the cops because this guy would not get off his swing seat and give it up to her 3 year old child, something that is not required of normal people in normal societies, as opposed to Muslim societies where normal people are regularly oppressed and abused for not being Muslims. She set the guy up and unfortunately for her, in retaliation, he murdered her.
So, no, there is not one "hate crime" against a Muslim for every "hate crime" against a normal person, but it's a good lie and some non-educated folks who are coming here for the first time might have fallen for it. But don't worry, we're on watch and you won't be allowed to get away with that stuff here. Maybe you should try the Huffington Post. They would welcome you with open arms over there.
What else you got, 45ch?
Forgive me Allah, but I'm getting cynical here. Praise you and praise Tim Russert and alms to Bill O'Reilly and Michael Savage and the PetroDollar Whore Professors and all the rest of the profitably confused.
*** al Tabari 8:141 ***
Don't you guys ever quit?
*** Ishaq 4:89 ***
Can you show no embarrassment, no capacity for shame or self-revulsion? Stupid question, I know, but I ask this obligatory pro forma never make a move w/o counsel.
*** Ishaq 369 ***
The very idea of Allah can kiss my Royal Irish Ass. Screw off and go away, monsuier Ali, and the same for the fetid little Arabian mind from which you sprang.
*** 33:60 ***
But I'm not so sanguine as that. Don't trick me, you're not gonna screw off, you're gonna keep coming, time after time, relentless in your grimness.
*** Tabari 9:76 ***
So, you crazy Moslems you, I say welcome home, and please bring in your crazy Arabian belief system, sit right down here in your cozy little Section 8 townhouse, and never quit whining at us or rooting against us. Yeah, that'd be great. Muliticultural great. Electorally electrically great. A solid voting block, you nutty American Moslems,or at least a sordid voting block.
*** Tabari 9:69 ***
Whatever.
*** Tabari 7:148 ***
Praise Allah. And sacred blessings be upon every copy of the Holy Koran on the top shelf of the back aisle in every Borders right now. The hidden book that reveals.
"Verses from the Bible. Go ahead, look it up."
I find it so funny how you muslims think that Jews & Christians don't know what is written in the books we read.
Are you expecting to shock us?
The Athiests don't care what the Bible says,
Some people can take it or leave it.
Some people are from other religions.
And the rest of us are well aware of scripture.
No one needs to explain (yet again) what these verses are about and what the context is.
The point is it does not JUSTIFY ISLAMIC VIOLENCE.
Islamic violence cannot be ignored because non-muslims may have done similar things.
When do MUSLIMS confess their OWN GUILT?
WHEN?
I agree Jewcat,
That was one of the first things I noticed.
A WOMAN shot him! How cool is that?
How can his Allah ever forgive him for allowing that to happen?
"Verses from the Bible. Go ahead, look it up."
WOW Muhammed! well I can see your point.
If those verses are in the Bible there must be nothing at all wrong with islam! You really have set it all straight for me. I should be angry at the Jews for all the Islamic violence around me. Now I get it.
Muhammed you really are an historical idiot.
During our Pagan past in Europe there is evidence to suggest that human sacrifice may have been practised among some tribes of people.
But pagans DON'T DO IT TODAY.
Do you understand thicko?
Apparently there is a Muslim who is afraid to assign himself a monicker....note to he who refuses to have an identity.....your identity is apparent...you are a Muslim...why don't you be original and just use your chosen Muslim name as Abdullah Mikail does, or be proud of yourself and choose something witty as "defenderofislam" , "Jowen", "45ch", "Dave742", "I'm an American" and others have?
Your comments are nonetheless welcome, they serve to show just how the followers of Islam think....but it is easy to identify someone who could turn into an active "sudden jihad" Muslim....waiting for an opportunity to spill blood...spilling blood is what Allah loves...of course, you already knew that...didn't you?
Anyone else have the sudden urge to urinate and/or defecate when they see this picture?
Oh, Lord, alert; I cannot help but be in stitches over that photos posted along with the article you linked to about "Islam not responsible for Ft. Hood, blah, blah, blah".
I've always thought "how phallic looking" those mosque spires are, but this one takes the cake. And to have a Mislim girl praying in front of it, no less.
This one's going in my Laughing at Islam folder.
[As a side note, I fantasize what would happen if mullahs & imans the world 'round decided it's a terrible thing to have these phallic symbols out there for infidels to laugh at. Might there be good "kabooming" going on?]
I sent Nidal Hasan an email at his business cards' AOL address.
Asking him if a necktie party was "haram" in Islam?
(Although I think Saddam Hussein already answered that question nicely.)
SaleemSmith, your courage, and clarity, is breathtaking.
May you remain safe in your apostasy.
Del wrote:
But really, what was he trying to accomplish by giving these items to a neighbor, knowing what he, Hasan, was about to do?
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I've been wondering the same thing, Del. Certainly, given the massacre Hasan was about to commit, this Da'wa would be unable to reach even the most clueless multiculturalist who might otherwise consider "reverting" (who are probably fairly thin on the ground in a place like Killeen, Texas, in any case).
I have two thoughts on the matter—firstly, that there is the chance, no matter how slight, that his Qur'ans would reach some vicious antisocial misfit who would actually be impressed by his bloody rampage, and would want to emulate him.
Second, and more likely, I would imagine—Hasan wanted his smiling, polite neighbors who accepted his Qur'an and card *to remember*—to *know* what would shortly murder their fellows at nearby Ft. Hood—the barbarous creed of Islam.
I think Hasan's gifts were a hideous sort of momento mori.
Alert wrote:
njoy the Moslim Da'wa and weep: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/usshootingcrimereligionislam
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Hmmm—what about Hasan's old place of worship, the Silver Spring Muslim Community Center Mosque? It turns out to have some pretty ugly links, including Wahabbism and the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA):
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/take_look_at_hasan_old_mosque_tqVGxjbLxWz8SV5tnpmV2N
Isabellathecrusader,
Hate crimes against muslims from non-muslims and from muslims happen all the time, as recorded even here in jihad watch ( example : honor killings )
The vast majority of Muslims who are harmed throughout the world are harmed by other Muslims. How many Americans who are not Muslim have harmed Muslims solely because they are Muslim? Next to none. More Muslim whining coupled with more Muslim disinformation (facts absent again of course) is what we have here from troll 45ch.
Wellington, you stated :
The vast majority of Muslims who are harmed throughout the world are harmed by other Muslims.
Comment :
And the vast majority of Americans who are harmed, are harmed by other Americans who are non-muslim
Wellington, you stated :
How many Americans who are not Muslim have harmed Muslims solely because they are Muslim? Next to none.
Comment :
The targeting of innocent minorities for alleged crimes/sins perpetrated by others is common everywhere, including the US : In 2001 after the 9/11 attacks, Arab Americans, Muslims, and Sikhs were victimized in nearly five percent of the total number of hate crimes reported that year (481 out of 9,730), a seventeen-fold increase over the prior year.
ref : http://www.civilrights.org/publications/hatecrimes/arab-americans.html
45ch should be asked whether he thinks Rifqa Bary should be executed by the Muslims as punishment for her public apostasy from Islam.
To this question he is allowed a one-word answer, either Yes, or, No.
481 reported hate crimes against Arab-Americans, Muslims and Sikhs in a population of some 300 million is minuscule. And I would bet that a lot of those reported hate crimes were either bogus or just evidence of the mildest of negative comments thown one's way. What about how Christians fare in Muslim lands? My God, a Christian can be severely punished in Saudi Arabia for even bringing his own Bible into the country. How many Muslim countries are there where Christians can try and convert Muslims as opposed to the ease with which Muslims can try to win converts to their faith in the West? Your whining. Big time. The faults of the West towards Muslims are as nothing compared to the faults of Muslims towards us kuffaars. Over 14,000 Islamic terrorist attacks have occurred just since 9/11. Get real.
Wellington,
Most of the victims of attacks are muslims, especially in war zones.
The 14000 islamic terrorist attacks and hate crimes are two different things.
The 14000 attacks are mostly in war zones like Afghanistan or next to war zones like Pakistan or areas of conflict like southern Thailand etc
14000 islamic terrorist attacks should be compared to the number of attacks by the US military on targets and the number of sorties run by the US air force every day since 2001 which have resulted in hundreds of thousands of civilians dead according to the Lancet report.
ref : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancet_surveys_of_Iraq_War_casualties
As for the 481 or so hate crimes, does that number compare with the number of muslim hate crimes reported in jihad watch against non-muslims in a non-war zone situation ?
Dumbledoresarmy,
Two independent investigations in Ohio and Florida found no credible evidence that Rifqa Bary's life was in danger
ref : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fathima_Rifqa_Bary_controversy
Honor killing is wrong and evil, no matter what the girl has done, just as the murder of a girl by her jealous boyfriend or husband in this country is wrong and evil, but sadly and tragically, more crimes of passion ( the murder of intimate partners) go on in this world than honor killings by muslims.
About 2000 annual murders of intimate partners in the US alone, compared to 5000 annual honor killings world wide.
ref : http://www.soundvision.com/Info/domesticviolence/statistics.asp
ref : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing
The US military does not deliberately target civilians. Islamic terrorists all over the world go out of their way to do so. And the "war zone" argument is bogus for many reasons. One is that Islamic radicals often kill other Muslims in "war zones" because they're not Muslim enough. Another is that a hell of a lot of those 14,0000 attacks didn't occur in war zones.
Hey, who is better off, by the way, Muslims in the West or Christians in Muslim lands? Until Christians can preach their faith undisturbed in the dar-al-Islam, including in Saudi Arabia, all complaints by Muslims about how terrible it is in the West for them is crybaby stuff.
DDA,
Watch the following video:
Malaysian music scene where no non-muslims were attacked by muslims :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L38jWPCkGtk
Wellington, you stated :
The US military does not deliberately target civilians. Islamic terrorists all over the world go out of their way to do so. And the "war zone" argument is bogus for many reasons. One is that Islamic radicals often kill other Muslims in "war zones" because they're not Muslim enough.
Comment :
You are right in the sense that the US military does not directly target civilians but at the same time, they do not care to have zero civilian casualties as seen in the atom bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki or the use of carpet bombing in Vietnam, Korea etc etc.
The new directive from the Obama Administration is to win the hearts of the people in Afghanistan but the directive is not being received well by our soldiers because our soldiers say that soldiers lives are at stake when overwhelming fire is not used when the enemy fires from a particular location.
In the past, A soldier acknowledged on the "60 minutes" tv show that , when the enemy fires from a particular location, the entire location goes up in flames, through the use of overwhelming fire power, whether there are civilians in that area or not.
So you are right about the US military not targeting civilians but at the same time, the US military in the past knew that by using overwhelming force, civilians are guaranteed to die due to entire blocks being decimated by aircraft bombing.
In every war, civilian casualties are guaranteed by the US govt and yet the US govt still keeps using weapons of mass destruction like aircraft and artillery etc.
And the difference between the terrorists and the US govt. is that the US govt. knows that its actions will collaterally kill a lot more people due to the nature of US weapons compared to the deliberate targeting of civilians by the terrorists and yet the US govt continues to engage with heavy weaponry.
So the conclusion is, a victim of US bombings or a victim of terrorist bombings does not know the difference between the collateral actions of the US govt or the deliberate actions of a terrorist, because in the end, the pain and horrendous suffering is the same whether its from a terrorist or a US bomb but the end result is a lot more civilians get killed due to US govt's collateral actions compared to the actions of terrorists.
Wellington, you stated :
Another is that a hell of a lot of those 14,0000 attacks didn't occur in war zones.
Comment :
I am pretty sure, almost all of the 14000 attacks occurred in the middle east and other conflict zones because even on 9/11, Osama bin Laden was not able to recruit any of the millions of American muslims .
Here is a video of a muslim accusing other muslims ( outside a mosque ) of not wanting to go to jihad and there is a muslim in this video that confronts the speaker saying that Islam is a peaceful religion and that the accuser does not speak for all muslims :
http://www.blip.tv/file/2760905
Wellington, you stated :
Hey, who is better off, by the way, Muslims in the West or Christians in Muslim lands? Until Christians can preach their faith undisturbed in the dar-al-Islam, including in Saudi Arabia, all complaints by Muslims about how terrible it is in the West for them is crybaby stuff.
Comment :
Christians in muslim countries can preach their faith according to the following muslim :
http://www.readingislam.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1225697893535&pagename=IslamOnline-English-AAbout_Islam%2FAskAboutIslamE%2FAskAboutIslamE
Saudi Arabia is considered their Vatican in which one can practice their non-muslim religion within the confines of their homes but not outside the home.
DDA,
look at the revealing clothing these Malaysians are wearing but no attacks from muslims :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZk39DmUbrQ&feature=related
Saudi Arabia is a country of some 900,000 square miles. The Vatican, only technically an independent state, is approximately 1/6 of one square mile. The comparison is as inapt as could be (and even here it should be remembered that Vatican City would not forbid a Koran within its tiny borders, contra SA with Bibles, where someone with even their own personal Bible would be in deep shit were he found in possession of it in SA). And the article which you provided a link to which portrays the Danes as somehow repressive is a hoot. The fact of the matter is that Christians in Muslim lands cannot in safety seek converts to their faith. Muslims in the West can do so with virutal 100% safety.
And, oh, by the way, do you unequivocally reject the Islamic dictate that a Muslim who converts to another faith should be killed? And if you aver that that is not an Islamic dictate, then why do so many Muslims worldwide indicate they do want a former Muslim killed when he converts to another religion? You see, Muslims keep telling us that Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance and Robert Spencer's main point is, OK, then if that is so why is it that so many Muslims misunderstand their religion and act so violently? After all, Presbyterian suicide bombers are kind of scarce and Catholic priests calling for war against the infidel, as imams in mosques do regularly worldwide, is also a scarce phenomenon, wouldn't you say?
Look, I don't give a damn what Muslims believe in. Personally I think what they believe in is hooey, pretty much total crap. What I object too is that if you say Islam sucks or that Mohammed was a fraud or stuff along these lines, Muslims across the world go hyterical and are often violent to boot. How many Buddhists, Jews, Christians, etc. go "postal" when their religion is criticized or mocked? It's the violence, stupid.
Observe, ladies and gentlemen, that 45ch did NOT - as I had asked - give a straight one-word answer, either 'yes' or 'no', to the question regarding Rifqa Bary.
Any normal non-Muslim would have answered, without hesitation, in their own name, NO! (that is: No: she should NOT be killed for leaving Islam).
Since 45ch did not do this, its answer must logically be construed as Yes.
This creature is just too gutless to come right out in the open and reveal its full-throated Mohammedan adherence to what sharia requires, by just answering 'Yes'.
As for its bizarre nonsense about all the lovely happy families in Muslimland, all sweet and innocent...
yes, let's hear all about *those*:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/articles/Read.aspx?GUID=473928E3-18E1-4E4E-ADF6-1AD796E3D400
"I interviewed Muslim women who justified wife beating because it is “educational.” These women were probably brutalized as little girls and are unable to know NOT to blame the unveiled woman victim.
Every Muslim male and female that I have interviewed has experienced being beaten as a child and have witnessed the beating of their mother."...
"The personal literary reports and the official UN analyses on Islamic family dynamics concur in a somewhat disquieting aspect.
"They confirm not only the tendency to incest but also an even stronger attitude towards anal sexuality, meaning an unusually high percentage of males preferring anal intercourse to vaginal, especially in the framework of "normal" marital life."..
"There is no "culture" in the world where more married people practice anal intercourse than in Islam"...
"Inside the Palestinian territories, I collected a lot of different stories involving raping of an innocent girl who later on was slaughtered by her own father or cousin, because she had lost her virginity.
This example to say that, in Muslim culture, values exist, but the line between good and evil is drawn somewhere else, far away from our understanding."...
"The Arab Muslim culture by definition promotes an incested family, a “closed circle”, and their “Freud” is Abdelwahab Bouhdiba, Sexuality in Islam, Saqi Books, 1998. If you read French, it’s been available since 1975 in the original"...
Aah, happy families: beating, buggery, and incest.
Then, from Jamie Glazov's article 'boys of the Taliban'
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.aspx?GUID=d51b2383-01a0-4896-b174-19f115ec0942
"There is a basic and common sense empirical human reality: wherever humans construct and perpetuate *an environment in which females and their sexuality are demonized and are pushed into invisibility* {my emphasis - dda}, homosexual behaviour among men and the sexual abuse of young boys by older men always increases.
"Islamic-Arab culture serves as a perfect example of this paradigm, seeing that gender apartheid, fear of female sexuality and a vicious misogyny are the structures on which the whole society functions.
"It is no surprise that John Racy, a psychiatrist with much experience in Arab societies, has noted that homosexuality is “extremely common” in many parts of the Arab world.
'Indeed, even though homosexuality is officially despised in this culture and strictly prohibited and punishable by imprisonment, incarceration and/or death, having sex with boys or effeminate men is actually a social norm.
'Males serve as available substitutes for unavailable women. The key is this: the male who does the penetrating is not considered to be homosexual or emasculated any more than if he were to have sex with his wife, while the male who is penetrated is emasculated. The boy, however, is not considered to be emasculated since he is not yet considered to be a man. A man who has sex with boys is simply doing what many men (especially unmarried ones) do.
' And this reality is connected to the fact that, as scholar Bruce Dunne has demonstrated [in his article “Power and Sexuality in the Middle East,” Middle East Report, Spring 1998] , sex in Islamic-Arab societies is not about mutuality between partners, but about *the adult male's achievement of pleasure through violent domination* {my emphasis - dda}.
...(The sexual abuse of young girls in this environment is also obviously widespread)
[source: Sadawwi, 'The Hidden Face of Eve: Women in the Arab World', pp.12-24; in which she gives an account of the horrifying and widespread sexual abuse of young girls in the Muslim-Arab world, a crime for which the perpetrators are exonerated.
While it is obvious that this abuse, as with the abuse of young boys, is connected to the unavailability of women for men in the culture at large, Chesler [in The Death of Feminism, p. 145] notes that the widespread sexual abuse of female children in the Muslim world “is one of the main ways of traumatizing and shaming girls into obedience and rendering them less capable of rebellion or resistance when they grow up.” ]
Glazov continues:
...'In the dysfunctional and morbid paradigms of this culture, the idea of love is, obviously, completely absent from men's understanding of sexuality.
Like the essence of Arab masculinity, it is reduced to a form of prison sex: hurting others with violence. " END QUOTE
The testimony of Sadawwi, mentioned in the above excerpt from Glazov's article, is borne out by the testimony of UK ex-Muslim Hannah Shah in her book 'The imam's daughter'. There she recounts how her father, an imam within the Muslim 'community' in northern England, regularly beat and raped her from the time she was...*six*. Why? Because she had tried to stop him beating her mother; the beatings and the rapes were 'punishment' for her perceived insubordination.
Oh, and as for abortion: Nonie Darwish observes, in 'Cruel and Usual Punishment' [p. 140], that sharia does not in fact explicitly prohibit abortion. (Muslims like to boast about the ban on infanticide of female babies; but seemingly, the text is not interpreted to forbid the destruction of the not-yet-born).
She first mentions the sharia law that there is 'no retaliation' for " a father or mother (or their fathers or mothers) for killing their offspring or offspring's offspring." Then she says:
"The above law does not mean that parents are encouraged to kill their children, but the laws of retaliation do not apply to parents who do. Something, however, feels wrong with the above law, which just adds to the general atmosphere of forgiving and excusing violence, as well as a lack of respect for life. It also seems to condone abuse of children, *which is very prevalent in the Muslim world*.
"It is important to mention here that *there are no Sharia laws forbidding abortion* {my emphasis - dda}. I am not surprised that under Sharia (a brutal legal system that does not respect life) abortion is not illegal".
So much for 45ch castigating the modern west for permitting abortion! Sharia has permitted it all along.
DDA,
The following shows that muslims can change :
Christians officially make up less than 4 percent of Iran’s population but the number is growing as people join the strong house church movement and accept Jesus Christ through satellite television
ref : http://www.fcnn.tv/start/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5176&Itemid=77
DDA,
The following video shows that even Saudi muslims are capable of changing for the better:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncLMhT_7inY&feature=related
Wellington,
This American says that muslims in Saudi Arabia are a joy to be around :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfNrGXSX7Xc&NR=1