Female jihadis training on U.S. soil

Watch this brief video. It is clear that this is not play-acting, not comic opera soldiery, but very real training -- and for what? What do authorities think these women are doing this for? To stay in shape?

They're training for battle. For combat.

The Christian Action Network sent me the full video of which this is a part. It shows veiled women marching and engaging in hand-to-hand combat training, firearms training, and more -- in a Muslim compound in the U.S. The implications are clear. Americans, for the most part, have no clue that this sort of this is going on in the United States. They need to see this video. Watch for it to break in the mainstream media on Monday.

Here is the Christian Action Network press release:

TERRORISTS TRAINING ON U.S. SOIL NEVER-BEFORE-RELEASED FOOTAGE OF WOMEN IN NEW YORK TERRORIST TRAINING COMPOUND WIELDING AK-47s AND LEARNING HAND-TO-HAND COMBAT

What we are witnessing here is kind of a brand-new form of terrorism. These home-grown terrorists can prove to be as dangerous as any known group, if not more so. --Special Agent Jody Weis, FBI

Lynchburg, VA--Terrorist training camps are located thousands of miles from American soil and instruct men on how to kill American Infidels...right? The answer is terrifyingly wrong according to the never-before-seen video of Muslims of America (the Jamaat ul-Fuqra front in the U.S.) women armed with AK-47s training at the Muslims of America headquarters in Hancock, NY. This just-released video shows women on the compound engaging in paramilitary training.

Christian Action Network (CAN) received this video, along with recordings of gunfire coming from a Muslims of America compound in York, South Carolina. This shocking 20-minute video reveals female members marching in military cadence, scaling fabricated walls, engaging in hand-to-hand combat, firing upon mock enemy locations, and other forms of training involving firearms and swords. The video was given to Christian Action Network by a confidential source.

Martin Mawyer's Christian Action Network (CAN) is credited with exposing 35 terrorist training compounds located in America earlier this year. CAN meticulously researched Muslims of America for over two years and met with key government officials to show their exclusive behind-the-scenes footage of terrorist camps operating within the U.S. They hoped to have Muslims of America put on the State Department's Terrorist Watch List. The government's response was to do nothing.

The first video created by CAN, Homegrown Jihad: The Terrorist Camps Around the U.S., reveals terrorist training camps located throughout the U.S. that were preparing Soldiers of Allah to kill Americans. The documentary reveals that camps are fully operational and their behavior reinforces an utter disregard for American lives. The video has a chilling scene of Sheik Mubarak Guilani (the head of Muslims of America) telling his followers to "Act like you're his friend. Then kill him."

The number of homegrown jihad plots has actually grown, which was proven by the increasing number of terrorist plots foiled within the past year in cities such as New York and Chicago. The terrorists are not going away-- they are training men and women in backyards across America.

The footage from Soldiers of Allah was confiscated by the FBI and locked away. The public would never have become aware of the tape. Even a 2006 Justice Department document exposing 35 terrorist compounds in the U.S. was marked "Dissemination Restricted to Law Enforcement." One copy was hidden by a government official and given to CAN so they could warn the public. CAN released the footage in a DVD entitled Homegrown Jihad: The Terrorist Camps Around the U.S.

CAN' mission in exposing the terrorist training camps was two-fold. The first was to make Americans aware of the threat posed by Jamaat ul-Fuqra, and the second was to have Jamaat ul-Fuqra's training camps in the U.S. shut down by ensuring that they were placed on the State Department's Foreign Terrorist Organization Watch List. Although CAN met with the State Dept, FBI and Homeland Security, no action was taken.

On January 31, 2002, The State Department issued a statement that explained why the group was no longer recognized as a terrorist organization. The State Department issued the following statement: "Jamaat ul-Fuqra has never been designated as a Foreign Terrorist Organization. It was included in several recent annual terrorism reports under 'other terrorist groups,' i.e., groups that had carried out acts of terrorism but that were not formally designated by the Secretary of State. However, because of the group's inactivity during 2000, it was not included in the most recent terrorism report covering that calendar year."

Jamaat ul-Fuqra has already been implicated in a laundry list of acts of terrorism including gun and drug smuggling, fire-bombings, murders and fraud. Even the death of reporter Daniel Pearl was attributed to Sheikh Mubarak Guilani. According to a law enforcement report by the Regional Organized Crime Information Center, "Today, Muslims of America has more than 35 suspected communes and more than 3,000 members spread across the United States, all in support of one goal: the purification of Islam through violence."

In 2005, an internal Department of Homeland Security report warned that Jamaat ul-Fuqra, a Pakistan-based group, was linked to Muslims of America and had the capacity to attack the U.S.

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We must also work to protect our country against the next attack--terrorism spawned right here among us.
--Senator Joseph Lieberman

These home-grown terrorists may prove to be as dangerous as groups like al Qaeda, if not more so.
--FBI Director Robert Mueller

For more information, or to schedule an interview with Martin Mawyer,
please contact Kristen Schremp at Kristen@kaspublicity.com;
703.928.5527 or visit www.christianaction.org

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This will dismissed and ignored like everything else regarding the violence inherent in Islam is ignored and excused away.

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Especially since the name of the organization behind this video is the Christian Action Network. We all know that anything with the label "Christian" is automatically false and not to be taken seriously!
/sarc

I would suggest that anyone on this site who isn't familiar with firearms or self defense take a course.

If our Government isn't willing to accept that there's a threat and deal with it who do you think it will fall to?

I don't wanna bother you with visions and dreams I had in the near past, but according to me the jihadists are wanting to take over the Free West in ONE NIGHT ONLY !!!!

I seriously believe what I see in front of my spiritual eyes and believe it is a warning coming from God, don't get me wrong, I am not a lunatic, I am on your side, I wrote when I was seven years old in The Netherlands (Geert Wilders Land)to a television show for Muslims that they should get the hell out of my country, it was 1975.

I will paste a few links to what I saw and heard and dreamt and hope you will take this seriously, Muslims want to take over the West !!!

We have to unite and stand up for our freedom !!!!

http://dreammoods.com/dreamforum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=28410

http://dreamviews.com/community/showthread.php?t=70410

And if you want to add me on Facebook :

Erik Albers, my profile picture is a warrior.

Why are there not military raids on these compounds? What pisses me off is that there were no raids on islamberg on the islamic terrorists. Navy SEALS should conduct these raids and use lethal force, if necessary. I am sick and tired of political correctness overlooking these dangerous threats in our country.

Seriously, there are people seeing that video clip who will be more alarmed by the fact that there is a group called "Christian Action Network". They will worry about who they are and what they want to do which is obviously impose some sort of theocracy!

Tingles, Madcow and Dobermann will be able to explain away all of this.

"Nothing to worry about America from the religion of peaceniks, but those crazy right-wing Christian nutcases running around the woods with video cameras need to be prosecuted. Why don't they film those horrible people who kill Bambi?"

I can hear it now!

This just-released video shows women on the compound engaging in paramilitary training.

My fave was the video of the Persian gal trainees executing a mock training bust on a building in Teheran, the film of them in burkahs rappelling down that building was such a gas.

*** 4:11 ***

From Classic Rock to Classic Moslimas. We're moving now: Involve your women, double your Moslems.

Tingles, Madcow and Dobermann will be able to explain away all of this.

"Nothing for Americans to worry about from the religion of peaceniks, but those crazy right-wing Christian nutcases running around the woods with video cameras need to be prosecuted. Why don't they film those horrible people who kill Bambi?"

I can hear it now!

Cannot believe people worry about the christians, or what they will do. When was the last time that you had seen or found in the news about christian suicide bombers, or anything that was violent in nature?? As far as I'm concerned, I dont think the christians have these sort of camps and try to dominate do they ??

I dont think muslims eat what the kill..unlike a hunter

From my particular angle, I'd just like to proffer the reminder that a female terrorist just might attack you or shoot you sooner and put more bullets in you than a male terrorist because she feels she's got to prove her worth to the cause, that she's as tough and committed as the boys.

Do not be fooled, and if push comes to shove, shove hard.

For your viewing pleasure:

Islamville, South Carolina

http://www.fitsnews.com/2009/05/08/welcome-to-islamville-sc/

Hey Heidi2027, thanks for the link.

I was particularly amused by this:

Gilani says on (one) tape, “Life is becoming more hard for Muslims; therefore, every Muslim man or woman should learn to defend himself or herself.

More hard? Must be that islamophobic 'backlash' we hear so much about that never materializes?

And:

Now we see the will of the Almighty Creator is being fulfilled with the presidency of Syed Barack Hussein Obama. The United States President is a descendant of the Holy Last Messenger, Hazrat Ali and Hazrat Fatimah (may the peace of Allah be upon the Holy Last Messenger, Muhammad, and his noble family.) Allah does what He wills and He is the Best of Planners.

No mention of allah's dabbling in the extreme climate, plate tectonics and the psychotic episodes of so many of his adherents. I'd would say his planning is pretty poor. Fortunately he's merely a figment of the imagination of the 'Perfect Man', mohammed (Pedophile, misogynist, murderer, liar, maniac, thief, parasite etc).


become aware of strange sounds in the national forests, and, watch your back on the trails

You are most welcome, Question_Everything!

And don't forget: “…Hazrat Ali’s name was seen in the moon…”

Well, spiritual fascism has certainly come to America. These damn parasites are using American freedoms, which the Islamic world would never have developed, in order to promote their warped creed which would destroy America if allowed to do so. What a monstrosity Islam is. With each passing year my detestation of it increases. How could it not? What knowledgeable and sensible person could have a favorable view of Islam? Might as well have a favorable view of Nazism or Marxism.

Regarding America and Islam, they have nothing in common. The former represents mankind at its best and the latter at its worst. And now the worst is amidst the best. Much conflict ahead.

What do muslimahs get in jannat? Are there 72 virgin boys with "doe" eyes for them as well? It doesn't say that in the Qur'an. I think I remember they still get to wait on their hubbies (Enter the gardens, ye and your wives).......... maybe those gals are better off turning those weapons against their Muslim husbands. Just a thought.

This is truly scary and that is why I strongly believe in the Second Amendment and I am glad Arizona is friendly to gun rights. A lot of us in this rural area I live in have guns but I agree with one poster we need to prepare. I would want to avoid violence but if they start attacking our fellow Americans, someone has to take a stand.

FWIW, I wrote a letter to Bill Ritter, the Democrat open-borders Governor of Colorado, about a year and a half ago, informing him of the existence of one of those training camps here in the mountains of Colorado.

I never got a response. Nothing.

What a surprise.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,579408,00.html

Russia is apparently under siege. Fox reports the train derailment as last month -- which is true. But last month was only last week.

"Why are there not military raids on these compounds? "

If they were white -- and even worse, white Christians -- they'd have been raided in a New York second.

The sad truth is, had Islam never come along, and all those parts of the world subsequently subjugated under Islam developed normally as Christian, Jewish or Hindu, anything else really, there would have been a lot more very beautiful women taking part in all the world has to offer, it is a real shame not only for them but for everyone really.

On the search get a load of the one in the lower left corner fully covered except for the eyes. That offers a different twist on blind date.

"Why are there not military raids on these compounds? "

If they were white -- and even worse, white Christians -- they'd have been raided in a New York second.

My heart truly breaks for these women. They get the shaft in this life and what they know of the next.


The First Principle of Islamic Friendship (FPIF):

"Act like you're his friend. Then kill him."

-Sheik Mubarak Guilani, the head of Muslims of America

Wow, talk about jihad watching indeed. All that lead in the river and those poor trout being shocked to death. Looks like an environmental travesty and the compounds' administrator(s),er warlords, should be served with a hefty fine and the place shut down until a THOROUGH investigation is complete. Just trying to keep up with the oh so much desired PC theme you see. Time for Andy and Barney to have a look-see I'd say. Mayberry don't need this s**t.Annie git yer gun,looks like your gonna need it.

I wish I could be as optimistic about Putin as you seem to be, Heidi2027. Yes, Putin is standing tall against terrorism in his country but he also is providing Iran with all kinds of technology, has proved to be an obstacle to any kind of real sanctions against the repressive Iranian regime and has a cozy relationship with Syria as well. Putin also has run interference for North Korea. Then there was his naked aggression against Georgia last year, his bogus claim that an extremely limited missile defense system in the Czech Republic and Poland (which Obama weakly and stupidly did not implement for which he got nothing in return from the Russians) posed a threat to the huge nuclear arsenal that Russia has, not to mention his provocative war games from a month ago in which Poland was the imaginary enemy. I could go on but I think I've provided enough here to place Putin in a proper perspective. He's not to be trusted and, while a shrewd and tough tactical planner, has helped to shut down freedom in Russia and by aligning often times with the detritus of humanity will actually hurt his nation in the long run.

Maybe it's jihadi defense training.

If these gals wear burkas in offensive ops they will be sitting ducks for the militias. Ridiculous!

maybe they are doing some religious training...

Islam is Evil ...so are its adherents and apologists.

This is definitely very scary. There's one of these camps here in Washington state too, on the peninsula. I've been doing some research, but could find very little. I found a forum of people who I were apparently doing recon on those places, but I can't remember the URL.

Well, I was going to link to "Black Male Felon" (Suspended) website, and comment that we have war on several fronts right here at home.
We are being sold out.

Wellington, in all likelihood you are right -- but I am still hopeful that this signals a realistic assessment of the Islamic threat to Russian lives. Iran + Russia is a fatal alliance for humanity, no doubt. Surely Putin is cognizant that this arrangement would not be a legitimate "insurance" policy.

Let us hope you are right, Heidi2027, but I fear that Russia's traditional fear of the West, most of which is baseless, will supercede a more sagacious and practical approach concerning Islamic supremacist designs and where Russia's best interests actually lie. Russia needs a great human being in the mold of a George Washington, an Abraham Lincoln or a Winston Churchill. Putin, sadly, doesn't measure up here. Not even close. In any case, thank you for your reply.


This video is most disturbing because it shows only a tiny fraction of the Muslims now living in North America that are willing to become violent at the drop of a hat. Make no mistake about it -- Jihad is a responsibility for Muslims and always has been.

Muhammad would severely punish and/or ostracize those who would not partake in his raids. Islam is all about domination and theft once you get past the ‘window dressing’. Check this hadith out. It is the story of a man who decided to stay behind during one of Muhammad’s raids. It really makes clear the extent of the control this masterful cult leader had on his followers.

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 59, Number 702
Really, by Allah, there was no excuse for me. By Allah, I had never been stronger or wealthier than I was when I remained behind you.' Then Allah's Apostle said, 'As regards this man, he has surely told the truth. So get up till Allah decides your case.' Allah's Apostle forbade all the Muslims to talk to us, the three aforesaid persons out of all those who had remained behind in that Ghazwa. So we kept away from the people and they changed their attitude towards us till the very land (where I lived) appeared strange to me as if I did not know it. We remained in that condition for fifty nights. As regards my two fellows, they remained in their houses and kept on weeping, but I was the youngest of them and the firmest of them, so I used to go out and witness the prayers along with the Muslims and roam about in the markets, but none would talk to me, and I would come to Allah's Apostle and greet him while he was sitting In his gathering after the prayer, and I would wonder whether the Prophet did move his lips in return to my greetings or not. Then I would offer my prayer near to him and look at him stealthily. When I was busy with my prayer, he would turn his face towards me, but when I turned my face to him, he would turn his face away from me. When this harsh attitude of the people lasted long, I walked till I scaled the wall of the garden of Abu Qatada who was my cousin and dearest person to me, and I offered my greetings to him. By Allah, he did not return my greetings. I said, 'O Abu Qatada! I beseech you by Allah! Do you know that I love Allah and His Apostle?' He kept quiet. I asked him again, beseeching him by Allah, but he remained silent. Then I asked him again in the Name of Allah. He said, "Allah and His Apostle know it better.' Thereupon my eyes flowed with tears and I returned and jumped over the wall.

When forty out of the fifty nights elapsed, behold ! There came to me the messenger of Allah's Apostle and said, 'Allah's Apostle orders you to keep away from your wife,' I said, 'Should I divorce her; or else! what should I do?' He said, 'No, only keep aloof from her and do not cohabit her.' The Prophet sent the same message to my two fellows. Then I said to my wife. 'Go to your parents and remain with them till Allah gives His Verdict in this matter." Kab added, "The wife of Hilal bin Umaiya came to Apostle and said, 'O Allah's Apostle! Hilal bin Umaiya is a helpless old man who has no servant to attend on him. Do you dislike that I should serve him? ' He said, 'No (you can serve him) but he should not come near you.' She said, 'By Allah, he has no desire for anything. By, Allah, he has never ceased weeping till his case began till this day of his.'

On that, some of my family members said to me, 'Will you also ask Allah's Apostle to permit your wife (to serve you) as he has permitted the wife of Hilal bin Umaiya to serve him?' I said, 'By Allah, I will not ask the permission of Allah's Apostle regarding her, for I do not know What Allah's Apostle would say if I asked him to permit her (to serve me) while I am a young man.' Then I remained in that state for ten more nights after that till the period of fifty nights was completed starting from the time when Allah's Apostle prohibited the people from talking to us. When I had offered the Fajr prayer on the 50th morning on the roof of one of our houses and while I was sitting in the condition which Allah described (in the Quran) i.e. my very soul seemed straitened to me and even the earth seemed narrow to me for all its spaciousness, there I heard the voice of one who had ascended the mountain of Sala' calling with his loudest voice, 'O Kab bin Malik! Be happy (by receiving good tidings).' I fell down in prostration before Allah, realizing that relief has come. Allah's Apostle had announced the acceptance of our repentance by Allah when he had offered the Fajr prayer. The people then went out to congratulate us. The people started receiving me in batches, congratulating me on Allah's Acceptance of my repentance, saying, 'We congratulate you on Allah's Acceptance of your repentance."

If Muhammad were alive today and tried to start up his cult of Islam, it would be shot down in mere seconds. Muhammad was rightly ridiculed as a mad man for years before his cult took flight. Unfortunately, being a full blown and completely deranged narcissist, he would not take no for an answer. The only reason that this catastrophic religion has been able to survive is that it overtly attempts to kill those who leave it or speak out against it.

If Muhammad were alive today and tried to start up his cult of Islam, it would be shot down in mere seconds. Muhammad was rightly ridiculed as a mad man for years before his cult took flight. Unfortunately, being a full blown and completely deranged narcissist, he would not take no for an answer. The only reason that this catastrophic religion has been able to survive is that it overtly attempts to kill those who leave it or speak out against it.

I am an ex-Muslim. Are there any Muslims out there this evening that would like to talk Islam?

If so, make a comment, let’s start it up. What could you possibly be afraid of? Your religion is perfect -- isn’t it?

I’ll be on-line for the next couple of hours if you should decide to take up the challenge my Muslim brother. lol

Come on, let’s do it, it’ll be fun.

Saleem,

I'm not a muslim, nor ex-muslim, but Thank You for your challenge above.

It would be fun to watch the JW peanut gallery give you any "challenges" to their "perfect" religion, er, cult.

Have a fun night!

Your detestation of Mohammed, SaleemSmith, is inspiring. The key to discrediting Islam, I believe, is to expose Mohammed for what he was-----a brutal psychopath who was enthralled with power and death and in his sexual habits loathsome and repulsive. Destroy Mohammed and you destroy Islam.

Male jihadis was given an empty promise of 72 virgins.
What was promised to the female jihadis?
To be the 73rd old stinking faked virgin?
Or to be in the hell fire as "seen" by mohammad?
Impaled in this world and in the fire hereafter for female Muslims. They share their husbands with 3 others and they hope to share with more virgins hereafter. Psychotics!!

Female jihadis but heard a man's voice, probably an old mullah impaling a female jihadis, doing an ejaculation as he shouted "fire".
Females used as sex objects in this world but burn in hell fire hereafter. Muslim women seem to be getting the worst here now and hereafter.
Neurotics!!

"Even the death of reporter Daniel Pearl was attributed to Sheikh Mubarak Guilani."

Muslims are like that game clue.

Which begs the question...

Was it Mubarak Guilani or Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in the dilapidated building with the scimitar?

Unlike the US we in Britain are not allowed to possess firearms in order to protect our families and therefore are reliant on a police force who are reluctant to deal with Muslims for fear of legal action and violent reprisals.

Christian women and children make safer targets of righteous reprisals! Time to admit that the politicians and judges in charge should be immediately removed and replaced with God fearing Americans who will eradicate these compounds, ban the burquas, close the mosques, and deport all family members of recalicitrant muslims! NOW DAMN IT!

Abu Qatada is alive and well and living in a rent free house in London with his wife and large family. Although a convicted terrorist, we cannot deport him for fear he maybe tortured in his own country which would infringe his human rights. Meanwhile he is a guest of the British taxpayer.

How to survive a kidnapping situation, if they don't plan to kill you anyway:

http://freemendo.typepad.com/undaunted/2008/04/hostage-situati.html

Hey Sleepy Heads:
Who in history has committed more warfare, killing, mayhem, rape, and murder than so-called Christians? Hmm? The "Reconquista", the conquest of Jerusalem, The Hundred Years War, The Thirty Years War, WWI, WWII, Vietnam, Iraq I & II, the colonization and pillaging of half the globe, the multinational global rapists, and on and on and on.

Get your history straight: when it comes to exploitation, killing and destruction the so-called Christian world wins the gold medal hands down! Astonishing, actually, how much violence the so-called Christian world has perpetrated on the rest of humanity...much of it explained away or justified by their religion.

So, is it any wonder that so many folks who have been on the receiving end of U.S. financial rape and spent-uranium bullets have had enough and are trying to fight back? Wouldn't you?

Yes, but this is nothing new. We have seen the recruitment of female suicide bombers.

The chechen women who came through airport security with bomb bras, and blew up two airliners within minutes.

It is not just making babies, changing diapers, and packing lunches anymore for these jihadettes. No they are packing alot of lead and not halai meat sandwiches.

What reward do they get? The Koran does not mention 72 virgins for them as they do for the males. But, muslims have always maintained that women are treated fair in Islam. Well, maybe this just shows that they are equal when it comes to jihad. No discrimination there. Where are the feminists of the world and Code Pink? I am sure they would have been outraged by this!!

Nope not a bit. Code Pink is too busy saying we should hand out pink roses to the jihadists who do not give a damn about them and the feminists are all in a uproar as to why there are no female dwarfs in Snow White.

Do these females think that in a political/cult belief system of Islam that this will elevate their status?


Women can still be beaten by their husbands in Islam according to Surah 4:34. Where does it say that she can hit him?

In orthodox Islam daughters only get half the inheritance of their brothers. Sura 4:11 says, "Allah (thus) directs you As regards your children’s (inheritance): to the male, A portion equal to that Of two females:…" (Yusef Ali’s translation p.209).

The Qur’an in Sura 2:282 says, "…And get two witnesses, Out of your own men. And if there are not two men, Then a man and two women, Such as ye choose, For witnesses, So that if one of them errs, The other can remind her…."

Do you really think that these Quranic verses are going to change just because they decided to take up the cause of Jihad? Do not think so.

When it comes to jihad, women in Islam are equal, but in every other aspect of Islam they are considered property, incompetent, can be beaten by their husbands if they deem them "uncooperative," and less worthy than the rug I wipe my feet on.

Instead of the Rockettes performing this year in New York, it will be the Jihadettes!

That actually isn't true. Atheists are top not Christians. And most of the wars that Christendom were involved in were political in nature, that is, fighting over who would rule some area not fighting to impose Christianity. Also, in the case of Islam it hasn't always been direct wars, but the wars have been wars of extinction, the elimination of the existing religions and civilizations, replaced by Islam. Entire tribes of Jews were wiped out for instance in Arabia. Countries today that were Christian and Jewish have those populations reduced to less than 10%, by constant steady pressure and subjugation. Islam has done far more damage to the world than any other religion or political force. Christianity on the other hand has been responsible for the development of Western Civilization with all its greatness. Even during the Middle Ages what we take for granted now was developing in Europe, cities, guilds, universities, corporations, forms of governing, rule of law, the list is endless. Islam has contributed nothing but war and suffering.

And you mention it yourself Reconquista - why did they have to "reconquest" their own country? BECAUSE ISLAM HAD INVADED AND SUBJUGATED PARTS OF IT FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS BEFORE FINALLY BEING EXPELLED. And if Spain had not gotten rid of Islam you need to realize that they would have likely moved on to the rest of Europe, and if there had not been a Christian Europe there would be no America today. But you probably think that would have been better for the world! Same thing with the conquest of Jerusalem - why did they have to reconquer that? The Muslims invaded in the 7th century. You do realize that the Muslims specifically put their filthy al aqsa mosque DIRECTLY ON TOP OF the most holy site for Jews, the site of Solomon's Temple. You probably think that was just an accident, or that the site just happened to be holy to Muslims, what a coincidence! As for colonization, most of the world was helped by that, if it was not for colonization the MUSLIM WORLD would never have stopped slavery, they were forced by the evil colonists to stop slavery, though it does continue to this day in parts of the Muslim world. Maybe Mexico would be better of today if they were still sacrificing humans - darn those evil colonists for getting them to stop that.

Thank you Saleem Smith for you bravery and courage in not only your words but your actions.

I know you can be killed for leaving Islam, but thank you again for speaking out and not being afraid. To all those ex-muslims who are brave to do the same, I respect you.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/03/here-is-fitna.html

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8662467646661149069&q=obsession+islam#

http://www.terrorismawareness.org/know-about-jihad/

Please watch these. Wake up America!! Wake up world!!

I am the truthsayer, as with this message and all others I approve it.

ThinkThrice, please post evidence of Atheism ever being the cause of a war.


Communism being anti-religion, and even Nazism being Occultic, these are systems that sought to eliminate religion and look at how many millions were killed by them in the process. Atheists are the last people to claim to being peaceful and wanting coexistence. But to the point of what is the issue today, Islam is so much worse than Christianity but you and most others know nothing but the candy coated version of history taught to you about how benign and wonderful Islam was and that Christianity was the source of all problems. That failure to know history will result in the West losing its freedom to Islam. To the bitter end, as Islam is burning the Constitution and installing Sharia Law, people will be blaming evil Christianity, that if it wasn't for the evil Christianity and the evil "Crusades" the Muslims would have left us alone and never installed Sharia Law. The Crusades were a response to the VERY SAME ISLAMIC JIHAD that took down the World Trade Center and is currently taking over Europe. Too bad the Crusades were not successful - the World Trade Center would still be standing, and all those people would still be alive. The Crusaders made the fatal mistake of NOT trying to wipe out Islam, they only wanted to coexist, to have a way to visit the Holy Land.

Get your history straight. Conflicts like WWI, WWII and the Vietnam war had nothing to do with Christians fighting to impose their religion on others. Muslims have been fighting religious wars (i.e., to force their religion on others) for 1400 years. Christians fought religious wars from the time of Luther and Calvin (e.g. Schmalkaldic War) through the Thirty Years War, not much more than a century. You prove that a little knowledge is a bad thing. Now, grow up intellectually or go away.

Yes, Wellington, a little knowledge is dangerous. It's amusing to read comments from people who think they know the history but in fact can only repeat fanatic Christian talking points. (I have a PhD in Arabic Studies, guys, so I'm not just talking out the side of my neck here: I have actually bothered to read deeply in these subjects.)

First of all: everything has a context. You cannot understand anything in history by selecting a sentence or two from a holy book or a history book and holding it up, saying, "See! See! Look how horrible they are." It's just a lot more complicated than any of you are prepared to admit. The Bible (for example) is full of violence, too, and full of contradictions. "Islam" and "Christianity" don't "do" anything: Muslims and Christians do things.

My point is that both Muslims and Christians (and Jews, for that matter) have abused religion for selfish, violent purposes. Nazism was NOT atheist (how typical of some so-called Christians to label anything non-Christian as atheist!) - rather it was founded by an insane Christian, who was raised in a Christian society that told his father it was OK to beat his son nearly to death. An insane man who had the approval of the Pope. (The Vatican did not repudiate Nazism until the 1960s!) Likewise Stalin, another tragically damaged figure who grew up in a perverted form of Christian household. Both were products of so-called Christian, Western civilization, like it or not. Does that make all of Christianity "bad"? Of course not. But let's not whitewash things and pretend that there is no connection, either.

As for wars of conversion, again, get your history straight and stop talking neocon rubbish. In fact, the Qur'an prohibits forced conversion (2:256). Where do you find anything remotely similar in the Christian or Jewish scriptures? The Islamic expansion of the Middle Ages was a political expansion to extend the boundaries of the state, and in fact, there were strong disincentives to forced conversion (essentially, erosion of the tax base). Actual conversion to Islam in the Middle Ages was a long process covering two to three centuries (see Richard Bulliett's book on the subject). The Arabs left the churches and temples of Jerusalem intact in 640. The Crusaders massacred Muslims and Jews when they took the city in 1099.

Were there isolated instances of forced conversion by Muslims? Probably. Again, people always pervert religion for their selfish ends. But to characterize Muslims as rabid fanatics who have a history of forcing Christians to accept Islam is a patent distortion of the facts. The story with Christianity is rather different.

I don't need to remind anyone here about the Inquisition and other practices of so-called Christians that used torture and threat of murder to convert people to the True Faith. Indeed, the tiniest deviation from church doctrine could get you burned at the stake. The idea you had to be a Christian...or else...was endemic in many (but not all) "Christian" societies of the Middle Ages. By contrast, the Qur'an guarantees the rights of Jews and Christians to practice their faith under Islamic rule. It's not a perfect system in practice, but again, where is anything like this to be found in the Bible? So, it's really laughable to hear Christians complain about alleged Islamic forced conversion: they are standing in the ruins of a glass house.

As for WWI and so on, no of course those wars were not officially "about" religion (any more than the Islamic expansion was). BUT notice how in every case, the war itself was always justified to the people using religious language. Always, always "we" are on God's side, and "they" are ungodly. So Dresden and Tokyo were fire-bombed because "God is on our side", and two atomic bombs were dropped on civilians because "God is on our side". And Britain, France, Spain and the US colonized half the world to exploit the labor and resources of non-Christians because "God is on our side." And we are using depleted uranium and napalm because "W" told us "God is on our side."

The point is that violence, warfare, forced conversion, murder, rape - all this is just as much a product of so-called Christian society as it is of so-called Islamic society. Where is the Christian in this discussion who is willing to practice the teaching of his Savior: turn the other cheek, and love thine enemy? (Oh yeah, you neocons forget that part when it's convenient for you...how little faith you really have!)

And I would remind ThinkThrice that your precious freedom is built on the exploitation of people all over the globe. We in the US are standing on the necks of people from Cairo to Ramallah to Managua to Bhopal. Everywhere you turn in the world today you see "our" wonderful corporations poisoning, pillaging and profiting from the suffering of people who are too weak to stop them. But rather than protest exploitation by capitalists (let alone try to stop it), you so-called Christians in this discussion actually are proud of it! You hold them up to me as evidence of the greatness of your so-called civilization! Be honest with yourself: what would Jesus do?

So where it the threat to "your" freedom? I submit it lies in the same exploitative system that stole it for you in the first place. We cannot go on in this way and expect that the rest of the world will continue to roll over and take it in the behind. Only a fool was taken by surprise by September 11: my only surprise was that it took so long to happen.

And get clear on this: I am not condoning any of this. I am opposed to violence in all its forms, whether "legitimate" war by states or "illegitimate" violence by others.

But I do insist that we be honest with ourselves and own up to the role that our behavior in the world has played in stimulating the violence directed against us. We need to stop labeling groups and blaming others based on half-digested history and the half-truths of people like Robert Spencer and Daniel Pipes. It's the only way out of the darkness of fear, hysteria and exploitation and into the light of justice and real freedom.

Oh dear.

Ladies and gentlemen - it appears that we have been joined either by an exceedingly well-schooled product of MESA Nostra (at which University, I wonder, was that 'PhD in Arabic Studies' acquired? and who were the instructors? and what were the set texts?), or by yet another Mohammedan-in-a-mask, posing as a pacifistic and oh-so-distressed self-accusing Westerner.

If the former, s/he should read Raymond Ibrahim, 'The Al-Qaeda Reader'. Perhaps s/he might learn something, though I doubt it.

But I think our latest poster is more likely to be a Mohammedan, because of the following: the opening salvo is the charge of 'Ignorance', and the claim that we are taking things 'out of context'. In Islamspeak EVERYONE who is not a Muslim and has not, therefore, been initiated into the special secret gnosis that is imparted when the shahada is recited, is ipso facto 'ignorant'.

And then comes that staple of Mohammedan 'argument', the 'tu quoque' and grotesque moral equivalencing.

Of course, there has to be some ad hominem - the assertion that we are 'neocons' (code for Eevil Jooz), or that we are all 'fanatical Christian'; which is nonsense, for this site is frequented by quite a lot of atheists and agnostics, as well as a number of Hindus and Sikhs...and by at least three very knowledgeable apostates from Islam.

Most of the 'argument' consists of a massive attempt to press guilt buttons.

And the poster concludes with 'blame the victim': it appears that the poster thinks that ALL Muslim jihad warfare, mass murder, enslavement, etc., is always and everywhere entirely the fault of those against whom it was and is directed. Poor, poor persecuted little Muslims, forced to defend themselves against the sheer appalling wickedness and aggression of everybody else on three continents for 1400 years, till they had 'defended' themselves into the possession of vast empires and masses of slaves and booty, all the way from Arabia to Iberia in one direction and from Arabia to the East indies, in the other, and from Hungary in the north right down to equatorial Africa in the south.

dumbledore
If you were half as educated in this area as the people you so smugly dismiss (contempt for learning: how typically American of you!), you would be able to read my posting carefully and realize that it is not about blaming the victim. The point is that no one has a monopoly on victimhood or suffering or guilt. There is blood on all hands, so it behooves us to acknowledge our role in creating the mess we find ourselves in. Otherwise, we doom ourselves to more of the same. That is wisdom, not "grotesque moral equivalencing", and it is the only way to a solution.

But of course, if you believe that America (and its client, Israel) are somehow exceptions to all the rules (of decency, law, democracy), then this will all make no sense to you. And likewise if you are someone who believes that capitalism = democracy and is therefore morally neutral. Obviously, I don't accept either of these ideas.

I don't need to defend my education to anyone - least of all you and your ilk. If you want to discuss that, go and get an education yourself first. Maybe then you'll understand its value.

"Neocon" is not a code word for anything - I neither know nor care if you are a Jew. But the language Wellington and ThinkThrice and yourself are using is indeed right out of the neo-conservative playbook: snippets of half-truth soaked in hysteria, quotations taken out of context, cheap emotional appeals to pseudo-history, all designed for maximum rhetorical effect, no matter whether any of it actually makes sense to someone who knows the facts.

And I did not call anyone here a fanatic Christian - read it again, mate, if you really are intellectually honest.

(By the way, I HAVE read the Al Qaeda Reader. Now YOU should read Fawaz Gerges' The Far Enemy for some well-informed perspective on what you find in the Reader. Then try Michael Bonner's Jihad in Islamic History and then Rudolph Peters' Jihad in Classical and Modern Islam. When you've read those books, then we can talk. But of course, we both know you won't bother: it's much easier to foam at the mouth about things when you are ignorant of them.)

"And the poster concludes" with a laughable statement about empires, as if the so-called Christian nations didn't create empires (and booty and slavery) on an unprecedented scale. C'mon, dumbledore, you're killing me!


So what do you propose the entire non-Muslim world - the Americas, Russia, China, the Pacific, Europe - should do, in response to the Jihad assault currently launched against it?

Convert to Islam, scrap all their present laws and institutions and replace same with Sharia as per Saudi Arabia or Iran? Problem: Shiite or Sunni?

Accept dhimmi status and agree to pay a punitive tax henceforward to all Muslims?

Do WHATEVER Muslims demand; never do ANYTHING that 'offends' Muslims? Allow Muslims, wherever they are, to dictate what is and is not acceptable?

Sacrifice Israel to the Jihad?

Hand over Geert Wilders and Kurt Westergaard and Mr Spencer, et al, bound and gagged and necks conveniently bared, to the OIC, to do with as they will?

Give the Muslims East Timor, southern Thailand, all of Israel, all of Spain, Malta, all of Cyprus, all of the Balkans; in fact, every piece of land Muslims ever invaded, conquered and occupied in the past, however briefly, must be given to Muslims for their exclusive possession henceforward?

(And of course, no more dogs, pigs, wine, 'uncovered' women, etc etc and so forth? Smash all those statues, burn all those paintings, break all those crosses, melt down all those church bells? Cease all Christian broadcasts into Muslim lands?)

But what if lots of us - Chinese and Russians and Pacific Islanders and southern Africans, as well as Westerners - don't want to *be* Muslims, don't want to live under sharia, don't want to have to grovel to Muslim despots, and don't want to pay jizya?

I thought of providing a long reply, but you're not worth it. To begin with, to accuse me of repeating "Christian talking points" is an error of the first degree since I am an agnostic, not religious at all. I am also a college teacher in history and your historical knowledge is not just skewed but massively ill informed. To claim that Hitler was an "insane Christian" when, in fact, Hitler utterly despised Christianity is to reveal yourself as an ignoramus of the first degree (ditto for your inane comment about Stalin).

Your equally ridiculous statement that the Vatican did not disapprove of Nazism until the 1960s is totally belied by the papal encyclical authorized by Pius XI, Mit Brennender Sorge (1937), which condemned Nazism in no uncertain terms from every Catholic pulpit in Germany. Moreover, Pius XII saved more Jews from the death camps of the Nazis than any other single person in Europe during the WWII era and spoke out against Nazism (e.g., his Christmas message of 1942) as much as he thought he could without limiting his ability to work behind the scenes to save Jews. Really, ignorance like yours is stunning but sadly a reality.

Finally, your excoriations of dumbledoresarmy places the final nail in the coffin of your limited intellect. This fine woman from Australia is possessed of an almost infinite degree of sapience compared to you. She is immensely knowledgeable and full of common sense and decency. You, by contrast, are an intellectual fraud and about as morally stupid at one can be. Done here.

Since our poster Carlisticeday mentioned Fawaz Gerges (perhaps Gerges was Carlistice's supervisor?)

here is what the redoubtable - and formidably erudite and well-read - Hugh Fitzgerald thinks of Fawaz Gerges.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/07/fitzgerald-a-tribute-to-fawaz-gerges.html

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/07/fitzgerald-fawaz-gerges-and-that-reforming-islam-grant-money.html

And now for the Middle East Forum:
http://www.meforum.org/552/who-is-fawaz-gerges

Most interesting paragraph:

'Militant Islam.

'Gerges consistently downplays the threat of militant Islam in general and Osama bin Laden in particular.

'One year before 9/11, he found that Osama bin Laden was "exceptionally isolated," and "preoccupied mainly with survival, not attacking American targets." He also ridiculed "exaggerated rhetoric" in Washington about the Bin Laden threat. Al Qaeda was no longer more than a "shadow of its former self," Gerges had the misfortune of writing, as bin Laden was "confined to Afghanistan, constantly on the run," and, "hemmed in by the United States, Saudi Arabia, and Egypt." Not just that, but his "resources are depleting rapidly." Gerges drew the bizarre conclusion that the U.S. government must have its reasons for "inflating his importance." Six months before 9/11, Gerges publicly ridiculed what he called "the terror industry" — his term for specialists voicing concerns about militant Islam — for fomenting an "irrational fear of terrorism by focusing too much on far-fetched horrible scenarios."

Now, back to the main topic: it might be a good idea for us all to go back up to the posted clip and attached press release, and study them one more time.

Women in Muslim dress training for all-out war...on American soil.

Looks nasty.

Let's remember that fully-covered female jihadists carried out jihad terror raids in Russia; female jihadists helped seize, and hold hostage, and most cruelly abuse, crowds of defenceless grandparents, parents and primary-age children in the school at Beslan. And let us remember that it is Muslim women who *watched* - and taunted the screaming victims with insulting songs - while their men publicly gang-raped those non-Muslim African women in the southern Sudan.

Pursuant to my posting above: who wants to bet that the next major jihad assault in the West (probably a Beslan-style attack, on a soft and highly-emotive target such as a primary school or maternity hospital) will be carried out by Muslim *women*? And I wouldn't necessarily expect such women, when carrying out the ghazwa, to be in traditional garb, by the way, either.

As I recall, most of the attempted plots and most of the Sudden Jihad incidents in the USA, so far, have been carried out by men. Women have faked hate crimes and engaged in lawfare over wearing of hijab, etc. But they haven't carried out, or been caught planning to carry out, violent attacks (as they have certainly done in Russia and in Israel)...not yet.

If I were the FBI or just an ordinary beat police chief, I would be telling my team over and over: *don't just profile the men!*

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