As important as the outcome of this case is the precedent it could set for extending special treatment to Muslim employees to the exclusion of others -- essentially creating a second class of employees: workplace dhimmis. "Hertz sued over Muslim prayers," from Bloomberg, December 2:
Hertz Global Holdings Inc., the second-largest U.S. rental car company, was sued by former employees who say its policy of allowing Muslims to take daily prayer breaks discriminates against non-Muslim workers.
Katie Barkley and Shirley Harris, who worked as part-time drivers moving Hertz cars from Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport to other locations, claim Muslim employees were given as many as three paid, 15-minute prayer breaks each shift while non-Muslim employees were denied equal time off, according to the suit filed Nov. 30 in federal court in Atlanta.
That's a lot of time to pick up the slack while a co-worker disappears, especially on hourly wages. Hertz should have figured this might pose a problem.
Barkley and Harris lost their jobs in February when Hertz fired all 120 drivers at Hartsfield and replaced them with contract drivers, according to the lawsuit, which seeks class-action status as well as back pay and other damages.
A similar suit filed in 2007 is pending before the same court. In August, Hertz said in court documents filed in that case that it allows Muslim employees at the Atlanta airport to take prayer breaks and that they aren't required to clock out. A non-Muslim worker "has no need for such an accommodation," Park Ridge, N.J.-based Hertz said in the court documents....
I will never rent a car from Hertz again unless they change this discriminatory policy. Pure Orwellian stuff here. All religions are treated equally except that one is treated more equally than others. ACLU, you f---ing hypocrite, where are you?
A non-Muslim worker "has no need for such an accommodation"
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Yes—what possible use could a non-Muslim worker have for an extra free forty-five minutes in the course of a workday? Silly dhimmis...
I hope they win the lawsuit...big time.
If Muslims want to take prayer breaks..
FINE...clock out! Then back in.
Who ever said that freedom of religon
has to be on the backs of the other
employees?
Oh! That's right Ole' Paedophile Mo'
ACLU, you f---ing hypocrite, where are you?
Who, us? Why we're out here fighting for the rights of oppressed minorities and working diligently to remove all vestiges of Christianity from the public square so we can replace it with islam. Christianity represents white oppression; islam represents oppressed minorities. Where in the hell did you think we were?
We handle a token white/Christian/indigenous American case once or twice a decade to ensure we aren't accused of unfairness or discrimination against whites. Wouldn't want our taxpayer funded bankrolls to suffer, not that there's much chance of that happening regardless of what we do.
all religions are equal, though one religion is more equal than others
I am an orthodox Jew I don't get that treatment, as a matter of fact I pray during my lunch break (if I miss the morning prayers at synogague) and I only have a few vacation days per year because they get used up for the Jewish Holidays (and Yom Kippur/Rosh Hashana do not count as fun vacations!)
Robert's first sentence is dead-on: The lawsuit is a good thing, but the court's decision - Constitution be damned - could set an ugly, ugly precedent. Let's remember how the loony 9th circuit previously ruled that teaching the recitation of Muslim prayer in California public schools was "cultural" and therefore not unconstitutional.
Our age of judicial tyranny.
That's the problem with Muslims. They talk out of both sides of their mouths. Look at the hijab/burqa thing - it's "religious" when they're demanding the right to break rules and wear the things, but it's "cultural" when you criticize it as religiously-sanctioned misogyny.
Sam thing with honour-killings (obviously religiously-backed, but it's "cultural" when they need to take the blame off Islam, etc) and pretty much every other foul act or belief of Islam.
They're masters of weasel-words.
"allows Muslim employees at the Atlanta airport to take prayer breaks and that they aren't required to clock out. A non-Muslim worker "has no need for such an accommodation,"
SOUNDS to me like herz is being a good little dhimmi and the truth is the muslim worker has no need for such a accommodation and is just being use to push islaic uber alls ideals
GET READY FOR NEW HERTZ ADVERTISING CAMPAIGN.
Remember the old "Let Hertz Put You in the Drivers Seat" ads where the businessman was lowered by wire into the drivers seat of a ford convertible?
Remember the OJ Simpson running through the airport ad?
Now with their official policy Hertz can have a new ad where they show how fast you can get out of their rental offices. Since OJ is otherwise occupied in jail and the Olympics is coming up. Hertz should hire the next US Olympic Hurdles or Decathlon medal hope.
I can see it no, the Olympic hopeful at the rental counter sprints up and grabs the waiting rental contract and keys and turns and hurdles identically spaced Hertz employees kneeling on rugs as they pray to Mecca finishing as he breaks the tape right by the Ford Mustang Convertible waiting at curbside and leaps behind the wheel!
Cue song, Let Hertz put you in the driver's seat jingle plays as Olympic hopeful drives past and waives to bearded and Hijab wearing clerks smiling and waiving back as the car drives off into the sunset.
For those of you who forgot the premise, see the OJ flys thru the airport ad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lf46hDT5SQQ&feature=related
oops I can see it NOW,
so much for spell check
Wow that's 45 minutes a day with pay. Isn't that 3 3/4 hours a week for full time? Paid prayer time? Why are they not clocking out?
No one should be paid for ritual or prayer in the workplace ever. At worst Muslims should be required to clock to for all prep and prayer time.
At best, non Muslim workers should be given equal pay/time during the work day to spend as they see fit.
This is about fairness.
As a side note, despite having obtained the right to those three undeserved and obscene fifteen-minute long zebibah-making breaks, those mahoundians must probably have been angered by the fact that they weren't forty-five minutes long instead, just as in Opensewerabia... Is it any wonder that, as Hugh has pointed out several times, the Saudis have never, and will never, acquire the habit of work? And isn't it just outrageous that any accommodation to such anti-hard-work practices would ever even be discussed in the USA, let alone granted to individuals that would much rather be making a living off plundering, raiding and looting than through an honest day of work, just as their pedophile-prophet?
As a Muslim who takes breaks for salat each day at the expense of his lunch period, I can say with great certainty that the Muslims at this Hertz are probably in the wrong. Depending on the number of hours worked and the time of day that you begin, you'll likely only have two or three periods where you'll need to perform fard salat. So let's say you work from 8 until 6 PM, that's dhuhr, asr and maybe on an off chance maghreb. Each salat is divided up in rakat (sets) and the first two have four sets and the other has three.
Fard (obligatory) salat takes no more than ten minutes including time for wudu, so I would estimate that the Muslims need no more than 25-30 minutes per day. They could cut into their lunch period for this with no problems at all. To put it in perspective, this would be comparable to taking a series of smoke breaks.
If they are asking for extra time for sunnah prayers in addition to the fard, then hey... there's your lunch period.
I hear you; everything that is wrong about Islamic society is somehow attributable to "culture" or "tribalism"...and everything right is Islam. But it goes even deeper; I once heard a seemingly liberal Muslim commentator trying to rationalize the backwardness of Islamic society by attributing it to - wait for it - the 'aftermath of colonialism'.
I chuckled and hoped against hope that the interviewer might have the wherewithal to suggest that east Asia also suffered the indignities of colonialism but is now doing quite well...or the fact that the Islamic world was colonized by the West in the first place was in-and-of-itself proof of its pre-existing backwardness.
It's a sociological pathology unique to the Muslim world only in its far-reaching extent...what Robert calls "the displacement of responsibility". We see it all the time in a myriad of ways....blame Israel and America for the failures of Islam throughout the world. Another example would be right here on these pages, where we see Abdullah Mikhail repeatedly resort to the bogeyman of "context" to insist that the Quran doesn't say what it actually says.
I thought Muslims weren't supposed to be supervised by infidels anyway. Let them start their own car-rental company.
Corporate stupidity. Labor law requires equal treatment for all employees. Time for Hertz to rid themselves of their attorneys who allowed this policy to fly.
GerbilTea could do us all a favor by defining in more detail what fard, salat, sets, etc actually mean. Obviously he knows what he is writing about but do the rest of us? I suggest, 'No'.
The CEO, or whoever, was responsible for hiring the moslems in the first place should be removed, if at all possible. What kind of a business moron seeks out this kind of wasteful cost of doing business?
A good dhimmi employer is one who yields to, and sticks with, their Islamic employees through all the costly troubles and problems that they create.
Troubles and costs that the employers would not have, had they had not hired them in the first place.
If you hire Mahoundians expect to 'lose money' and have employee disruptions
LET'S BE REALISTIC........It isn't just 15 minutes....you have to add on the several minutes bfore the break that are squandered in anticipation of bowing to allah........and the euthoric minutes in the aftermat of allah's glow to reaclimate back to work! So I think 20-25 minutes per break is more realistic. At this rate (say 20 mins per) at least five hours a week or two and a half days off a month as dhimmi freebie pay!
Are the ACLU supporting these non-muslims?
Equates as a paid month of time off per muslim employee each year. Incredible! They aqueeze and squeeze and squeeze. Time to squeeze back. Deport them NOW!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salat
GerbilTea, that page does not define rakat, maybe you could update it
If the court recognizes the orders of Allah to submit to him five times a day in prayer, would it also be recognizing slavery? Or maybe submitting to Allah itself? :)
http://go.to/islamhistory
"To put it in perspective, this would be comparable to taking a series of smoke breaks."
To put it in perspective, Muslims are permitted to pray at work. I am not permitted to smoke anywhere on the company's property.
Blow it out your ass, Gerbil.
Infidels! It is I, Abdullah Bhullah, the wacky mullah!
Of course you are jealous of the Muslim workers! They get paid to goof off (do you really think we are praying? ha ha) and the infidel workers must work twice as hard. It is for a good cause as they infidel workers will see the advantages of being Muslims and convert! Then Hertz will go out business because all their employees will be busy praying to Allah instead of working. Another blow for the jihad and a defeat for your "gray" capitalism!
Obviously, capitalism is incompatible with Islam! It requires hard work!
Well, I thought this was a very interesting story, but I got banned from Free Republic for re-posting it with a link to Jihad Watch. Is there something going on here that I don't know about?
Thank you GerbilTea for your candor. However I see a bigger pictue here. This a brilliant marketing ploy by Hertz. In the future all carbombs will be Hertz Rentals. They will be
#1 in the Muslim World.
GerbilTea could do us all a favor by defining in more detail what fard, salat, sets, etc actually mean. Obviously he knows what he is writing about but do the rest of us? I suggest, 'No'.
And I suggest, "No, and we don't give a damn".
What we need to know about izlum is only that it has been a murderous cult for the past 1350 years and it threatens our future as free people today more than ever.
I may consider occasionaly if muzzlem “salat fard” may be related to kuffar “salad fart”, but I am not interested in actually wanting a muzzlem to confirm, or refute my guessing.
Hertz said in court documents filed in that case that it allows Muslim employees at the Atlanta airport to take prayer breaks and that they aren't required to clock out.
So we can thank Hertz for turning loose unaccounted for Moslems in a major American airport three times a day.
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Hertz did the right thing, though. By elevating Moslem employees to superior status helps keep things cool, and with its data center located in Oklahomastan, having trouble with offended and angry Okie Moslems would be a bad thing for Hertz.
They are..it's going to be called "Hurts".
Do planes land during prayers in muslim countries? Or do they waste fuel flying around until the air traffic controllers get off the prayer mats and back into their seats?
How can an ancient religion EVER join the current world without major inconvience and changes everywhere.
Good thing mohammad NEGOTIATED with god to reduce the number of prayers required daily. What was it god wanted muslims to pray -50- times a day? How would they have functioned. You'd think a powerful god would have realized that, but no, mohammad had to make him see how impractical it was. Wow.
/snark
meekee wrote:
GerbilTea could do us all a favor by defining in more detail what fard, salat, sets, etc actually mean. Obviously he knows what he is writing about but do the rest of us? I suggest, 'No'.
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meekee, Please don't encourage "GirbilTea" in his Da'wa. We get enough of it here as it is.
Thre is another reason for me to keep boycotting Hertz. Sadly, I must confess that this is easy for me as I don't drive. But if I did.......
Well, I will have to remind myself not to rent a car from Hertz or even go to their website. Which I never have anyway, but this would give me more of a reason not to.
I will also not be shopping at Best Buy anymore. They have spared an ire with me as well. They should be fair to all holidays, not just one.
These places of business want to take the non-muslims money but not reciprocate these indulgences they give to their muslim employees or customers to non-muslims, thereby constituting their own dhimmi status on non-muslims.
Do these businesses not know that the perks they are offering to their muslim employees or customers would not be allocated to them had they been in a muslim nation under Islamic law?
Their lack of intelligence on this issue precedes their decision in this aspect.
Where is the ACLU? That is right, they are too busy necessitating all their energy in defending CAIR in their fervor to hide their true ambitions for America and covering up their support for terrorism and defending jihadists and would be jihadists.
They are too busy allowing these kinds of things to happen not only in the workplaces, but schools as well.
Should Hertz allow Catholics paid time off to pray, how about certain times and days off to attend mass?
This does not surprise me at all, and the sad thing is, it will continue to be allowed to happen due to fear of being called an Islamaphobe. Political correctness has run amock in this nation.
All non-muslims boycott Hertz, and Christians boycott Best Buy.
Best buy does not want to say Merry Christmas and Hertz does want to extend the same rights to its non-muslim employees as they do to their muslim employees.
Of course the leftist socialists and muslim apologists will not be backing the former Hertz employees.
I am the truthsayer and I approve of this message. I approve of all the messages I have previously posted.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/03/here-is-fitna.html
Why would anyone desire to spend even one MOMENT praying to the god of the underworld? ...gross!
Hey, pray to satan on your own time, not on company time; and if allah is unhappy with that arrangement, then tell him to go pound sand ..or in his case, tell him to go pound more fire 'n brimstone.
In this article, as in many others, there is some unfair bashing of the ACLU who have brought cases unfavorable to Muslims.
Just two:
In support of Florida Christians - unless I'm mistaken, mention of this case has never appeared on JW.
The Tarek ibn Ziyad Academy
The Hertz Corporation
225 Brae Blvd
Park Ridge, NJ 07656
Write them. I will not rent a car from Hertz until they stop discriminating against non-Muslims.