Gaddafi: Swiss minaret ban invites al-Qaeda attacks

'I don't think anyone in the Muslim world will from now on authorise the construction of a church,'

From now on??? When did a Muslim majority country allow new construction of any kind of religious structure other than for Islam?

Yeah, it is like the old scene from a bar:

Big Guy: You lookin' at my woman?!

Little Guy: No.

BG: So, what, you callin' me a liar now?

LG: I don't want any trouble.

BG: No trouble. (fight starts)

Good luck with attacking the Swiss, Gaddfly. Al Qaeda isn't going to look for trouble with the Swiss because: A.) The Swiss have a well armed population. B.) Too much of Al Qaeda funds are sitting in Swiss banks.

"You must think of your interests. You need gas, ports, the sea, solar energy, investments,"

Interesting, in the light of Europe's plan to have 15% of its electricity coming from concentrated solar power stations in North Africa

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8337735.stm

What would happen in such a situation in the future, with the next generation of Ghadaffis holding the switch on Europe's electricity supply?

Quite possibly, the Swiss don't want that Islamic wailing throughout the day disturbing the peace and tranquility of the country....wailing in a language they don't understand and don't have a clue as to what is being administered...

quite often the calls to prayers from a minaret include coded messages to the Islamic faithful...

I concur that it is a good idea to ban the minarets...for a variety of reasons...

and it is true that in Muslims countries non Muslims peoples are prohibited from building new churches or other religious sanctuaries...they are prohibited from repairing or improving existing buildings, and they are slowly being removed from existence...one church at at time...

perhaps the Swiss this as a possible future occurance....as well they and the rest of the world should...

Only 3 months ago, dhimmi contender internationale, 2009, Gordon Brown was showing which side he is on:

"Gordon Brown: Colonel Gaddafi's Little Helper"

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100009534/gordon-brown-colonel-gaddafi%E2%80%99s-little-helper/

the Muslims say "Minarets are out bayonets!"...

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=don8217t-ban-our-bayonets-or-we8217ll-use-banknotes-as-weaponry-2009-12-03

Here is an excerpt from an article by Peter Hitchens in today's 'Mail on Sunday':

"Swiss aren’t the intolerant ones"

"Nobody ever asked us if we wanted a country full of big mosques, asserting Islam’s confidence in our cities. So that is what we have. But they asked the Swiss and they said ‘no thank you’. Is this bigotry? I don’t think so.

"Where Islam is in power, it restricts the building and repairing of Christian churches, the ringing of bells and the holding of processions. Christians are second-class citizens. Western liberal prattle about Islamic ‘tolerance’ is based on ignorance."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1233489/PETER-HITCHENS-If-The-Committee-Unintended-Consequences-able-grill-Blair.html#ixzz0YvqQWiXn

Moamer Kadhafi is a thug, and truly nothing more. The way Europe has tried to placate this beast is really atrocious. Also, his giving justifications for al-Qaida to attack in such a publc way clearly demonstrates that he really has no ideological/religious problem with that organization. When one's friends are really not that distinguishable from one's enemies, it is a sorry state indeed.

Swiss minaret ban invites al-Qaeda attacks? How about Saudi Arabian church ban invites destruction of Mecca?

In the event of an Islamic terrorist attack anywhere in Switzerland, the Swiss should hold another referendum, this time banning Islam altogether.

Who does Qaddafi think he's fooling? There's already a jihad against Europe, and all other non-Islamic societies.

As for investments, pull them the heck out, and work on developing things at home, even if it means coming up with radical new solutions.

For instance, rather than having solar farms in North Africa, assist citizens in retrofitting their houses with solar and wind power, assist them as much as they need assisting. That would be a far better investment all the way around, in the long term, than dumping money into ratholes like Libya.

Libya is a country that can do nothing for itself. It is incapable even of building roads, which is why for years Khaddafy has been attempting to shake down the Italian government, getting it to build a coastal road practically the entire length of the Libyan littoral, in supposed recompense for Italian "colonialism," which colonialism, in fact, provided Tripoli and Benghazi and other Italian cities with the only decent roads and buildings that have been built in Libya since the time of the Romans. The Libyans are not capable, either, of finding, or lifting, or distributing, the oil that happens to lie under the Tripolitanian soil.

Khaddafy's threats are absurd. He should have thrown back in his face his own words of a few years ago, the one that echoed those of another North African Muslim, the dour horse-faced Boumediene, who like Khaddafy promised that "in the wombs of our [Muslim] women" we, the Muslims, will conquer Europe. Khaddafy said the same thing -- I can't remember his exact words, but someone can google them up from McElligot's Universal Pool. And all the minaret ban did was to draw a line, to express for the sake of the Swiss and other elites that we, the people, will as a first step not allow what is solely an expression of dominance, of Islamic superiority and aggression, to be build in our countries, a line that will now be pushed and pushed, and those politicians who continue to think they can deny to their own peoples the right to preserve the legacy of their own civilization are going to have a harder and harder time of it. They can't be pushed aside, pushed out and down, too quickly. As for comical Khaddafy, why take him seriously? Not even his fellow Arabs do that.

Muslim-majority countries don't allow other religions to even pray peacefully. No one knows when the police will swoop down and on one pretext or the other carry away the people leading the prayers.
Not only are new constructions not allowed of houses of worship of other religions, even the existing ones are broken down. Witness the destruction of the Bamiyan Buddhas and wholesale destruction of Hindu temples in Pakistan and Bangladesh.
Recently I read news about the curator of the Taxila museum wondering for how long can he protect Buddhist monuments from idol-haters.
But according to muslims like Gaddafi, all this destruction is okay. But the Swiss people banning the minarets (only the minarets, not the mosques, mind you) is not okay.
How much of a hypocrite can he be?

Threats and blame-shifting. This guy appears to be a Muslim. Film at 11...

Since when did Islamic extremists need an invite?

They're offended by EVERYTHING western aren't they?

Gaddafi is just stating the obvious, nothing profound has ever come out of his mouth.

The international human rights group Freedomhouse.org, which gives numerical ratings to every nation on earth every year, gave Libya in 2009 the lowest worst possible ratings:
Political Rights Score: 7
Civil Liberties Score: 7
Status: Not Free

What follows is the second part of freedomhouse.org's overview of Libya for 2009.

Political Rights and Civil Liberties

Libya is not an electoral democracy. Power theoretically lies with a system of people’s committees and the General People’s Congress, but in practice those structures are manipulated to ensure the continued dominance of Mu’ammar al-Qadhafi, who holds no official title. It is illegal for any political group to oppose the principles of the 1969 revolution, which are laid out in the Green Book, although in recent years market-based economic changes have diverged from the regime’s socialist ideals.

Political parties have been illegal for over 35 years, and the government strictly monitors political activity. Organizing or joining anything akin to a political party is punishable by very long prison terms and even the death sentence. Many Libyan opposition movements and figures operate outside the country.

Corruption is pervasive in both the private sector and the government in Libya, which ranked 126 out of 180 countries surveyed in Transparency International’s 2008 Corruption Perceptions Index.

There is no independent press. State-owned media largely operate as mouthpieces for the authorities, and journalists work in a climate of fear and self-censorship. Those who displease the regime face harassment or imprisonment on trumped-up charges. In 2007, according to the New York–based Committee to Protect Journalists (CPJ), three suspects were sentenced to death for the 2005 murder of journalist Dayf al-Ghazal al-Shuhaibi. He had worked for state-owned media but also contributed to London-based websites focused on Libya, and had criticized the authorities in the months leading up to his death. According to CPJ, little information was released on the trial of the three suspects, prompting concerns about the authenticity of the process. The government controls the country’s only internet service provider, and closely monitors internet activity; authorities often block opposition sites, and swiftly punish those who express criticism of the state.

Nearly all Libyans are Muslim. The government closely monitors mosques for Islamist activity, and there have been unconfirmed reports of Islamist militant groups allied to Al-Qaeda operating against the government. In 2007, Al-Qaeda declared that the so-called Libyan Islamic Fighting Group had joined its international network. The few non-Muslims in Libya are permitted to practice their faiths with relative freedom.

Academic freedom is tightly restricted.

The government does not uphold freedom of assembly. Those demonstrations that are allowed to take place are typically meant to support the aims of the regime. In February 2007, the authorities arrested 13 men for planning a peaceful demonstration in Tripoli to commemorate clashes between security forces and demonstrators the previous year. Two of the men were “disappeared,” though one was released without charge in May 2008. The whereabouts of the second, a medical student named Abd al-Rahman al-Qutaiwi, remained unknown. Such forced disappearances are routinely employed by government forces to detain individuals indefinitely without charge. Ten of the men arrested in 2007 received jail terms of between 6 and 15 years. Idris Boufayed, a prominent opposition figure who had led planning for the demonstration, received a 25-year sentence. Under diplomatic pressure from the United States and European governments, Libyan authorities released Boufayed in October 2008. Ten of the original 13 men, including al-Qutaiwi, remained in custody at year’s end.

The law allows for the establishment of nongovernmental organizations, but those that have been granted authorization to operate are directly or indirectly linked to the government. There are no independent labor unions.

The People’s Court, infamous for punishing political dissidents, was abolished in 2005, but the judiciary as a whole remains subservient to the political leadership and regularly penalizes political dissent. In July 2007, a high-profile case involving five Bulgarian nurses and a Palestinian doctor came to an end when the six defendants were released. They had been arrested in 1999 after being accused of deliberately infecting 400 Libyan children with HIV, and had since faced death sentences as the case moved through the courts. Experts have cited ample evidence that the prosecution was politically motivated, and the defendants claimed to have been tortured in custody. Their release followed intense diplomatic efforts by European nations, and resulted in improved commercial ties with Europe.

According to Human Rights Watch, prominent political opposition figure Fathi al-Jahmi, who had been in government custody almost continuously since 2002 and was gravely ill, remained in detention in 2008 despite government claims that he was a free man. He continued to receive treatment for his cardiac disease and diabetes in a government hospital and was not allowed to seek treatment elsewhere.

In November 2008, government forces clashed with members of the Tabu tribe in Al-Kufra and other small towns in the southeastern corner of the country. Tabu tribesmen had expressed discontent since December 2007, when many of them were stripped of their citizenship, among other discriminatory measures, for their perceived support for neighboring Chad, Libya’s political rival. The tribesmen engaged in vandalism and the destruction of state property, triggering the new violence as the government responded with overwhelming force. The clashes claimed a number of lives and as many as 100 people may have been injured.

A large number of migrants from sub-Saharan Africa work in Libya or pass through in attempts to reach Europe. Human rights organizations have documented and criticized the country’s treatment of these migrants. The regime has been more aggressive in its crackdown on illegal laborers in recent years, increasingly the likelihood of abuses.
Women enjoy many of the same legal protections as men, but certain laws and social norms perpetuate discrimination, particularly in areas such as marriage, divorce, and inheritance. Women who have been cast out by their families are particularly vulnerable. The government considers such girls and women as wayward and can hold them in “social rehabilitation” facilities, which are de facto prisons, indefinitely and without charging them with any recognized crime.

Clearly, the dictator who runs Libya is not to be trusted when he makes statements relating to human rights in the West.

How they hate it when we resist them!

How about Saudi Arabian church ban invites destruction of Mecca?

Waitaminute...

Now, how was the A-Q attitude to 'Proportionate Response'?

Moammar Qaddafi behaved himself when Bush was in the White House. Also, this is another case of, "Call us a religion of peace unless you want to be bombed, murdered, raped, and pillaged!"

Of course Kufars provoke Moslems,simply by existing.

They burn down embassies if a teddy bear is named mohammed FFS. It's hardly like they need any provocation.

Is there anything (other than abject submission) that doesn't invite al-Qaeda attacks?

Isn't that the whole idea?

And when was the last time Qadhify allowed a church bell-tower to be built in Libya? Or a church at all? Maybe Libya should be declared fair game for any kaffir terrorists, if they exist.

'I don't think anyone in the Muslim world will from now on authorise the construction of a church,' Kadhafi said.

Who is he kidding? Of late, the Muslim world has been busy DESTROYING churches, not allowing them to be constructed!

How about letting non-Muslims have their prayer books and bibles? But that's forbidden too. God, Islam is insecure! What would Muslims say if the West imposed a special tax on THEM? All those minarets need protection.

Are there any majority Muslim countries, even one, where a Christian church can be built without hindrance, at least from the government if not Muslim mobs? What about Indonesia? I ask because I simply don't know for certain where the truth lies here. It won't surprise me if there are none but I wouldn't want to say that publicly if it were not the case. As is usual with criticism of Islam, one has to get everything right lest he be dismissed, which, of course, can still happen even if one nails down everything correctly. In any case, does anybody know the answer here? Much appreciated.

Gaddafi merely stats a fact. Non-Muslims resisting Islamic norms is in fact a call to jihad warfare. By banning minarets it can be argued that Switzerland has refused the call to Islam, and therefore declared war upon Muslims. Is it possible to divorce this political aspect of the Islamic faith from the "religious" aspects of it? I doubt it, ... this act would in effect be an official declaration of war. Also, Muslims are not permitted to live in lands where they are not allowed to freely practice, thus in effect devout Muslims will be forced to leave dar al Harab for Islamic lands.

Allaah has commanded us to support His religion and to wage jihad against His enemies.

There are so many verses that enjoin jihad against the mushrikeen and fighting them until all submission is for Allaah alone; they clearly state that it is obligatory and is prescribed and is compulsory. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Jihaad holy fighting in Allaah’s Cause) is ordained for you (Muslims) though you dislike it, and it may be that you dislike a thing which is good for you and that you like a thing which is bad for you. Allaah knows but you do not know”

[al-Baqarah 2:216]

Rulings on jihad

The scholars (may Allaah have mercy on them) have mentioned the rulings on jihad and have stated that jihad is of two types:

1 – Taking the initiative in fighting

This means pursuing the kaafirs in their lands and calling them to Islam and fighting them if they do not agree to submit to the rule of Islam.

This kind of jihad is fard kifaayah (a communal obligation) upon the Muslims. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism, i.e. worshipping others besides Allaah), and the religion (worship) will all be for Allaah Alone [in the whole of the world]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allaah), then certainly, Allaah is All-Seer of what they do”

[al-Anfaal 8:39]

“Then when the Sacred Months (the Ist, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islamic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikoon (see V.2:105) wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush. But if they repent [by rejecting Shirk (polytheism) and accept Islamic Monotheism] and perform As-Salaah (Iqaamat-as-Salaah), and give Zakaah, then leave their way free. Verily, Allaah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful”

[al-Tawbah 9:5]

“and fight against the Mushrikoon (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allaah) collectively as they fight against you collectively. But know that Allaah is with those who are Al-Muttaqoon (the pious”

[al-Tawbah 9:36]

“March forth, whether you are light (being healthy, young and wealthy) or heavy (being ill, old and poor), and strive hard with your wealth and your lives in the Cause of Allaah. This is better for you, if you but knew”
[al-Tawbah 9:41]

It was narrated from Ibn ‘Umar that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “I have been commanded to fight the people until they bear witness that there is no god but Allaah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allaah, and establish regular prayer, and pay zakaah, If they do that then their blood and wealth is safe from me, except by the laws of Islam, and their reckoning will be with Allaah.”

Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 24; Muslim, 29.

Muslim (3533) narrated from Abu Hurayrah that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever dies without having fought or thought to himself about fighting has died following one of the branches of hypocrisy.”

All of these texts – and many others in the Qur’aan and Sunnah – mean that it is obligatory for the Muslims to wage jihad against the kuffaar and take the initiative in that. The scholars are unanimously agreed that jihad against the kuffar, and seeking them in their own lands, and calling them to Islam, and waging jihad against them if they do not accept Islam or accept paying the jizyah, is obligatory and has not been abrogated.

Shaykh al-Islam (28/249) said:

Everyone who hears the call of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) to the religion of Allaah with which he was sent and does not respond to it must be fought so that there will be no fitnah and so that submission will all be for Allaah.

Ibn ‘Atiyah said (2/43): There remains scholarly consensus that jihad is a communal obligation upon the ummah of Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and if some of the Muslims undertake this duty the rest are absolved of responsibility.

"...another North African Muslim, the dour horse-faced Boumediene, who like Khaddafy promised that "in the wombs of our [Muslim] women" we, the Muslims, will conquer Europe." - Hugh

“One day, millions of men will leave the Southern Hemisphere to go to the Northern Hemisphere. And they will not go there as friends. Because they will go there to conquer it. And they will conquer it with their sons. The wombs of our women will give us victory.”

– Houari (Mohamed) Boumedienne, President of Algeria, 1965 – 1978, in a 1974 speech at the UN

Which Demographic Jihad is happening RIGHT NOW.

Banning the minaret is hardly an imposition. After all, hardly anyone dances like that anymore.

I sure hope the swiss do not cave on this one.. For once its nice to see a government with some backbone..

Salam,

This is truly a tragedy. I found an interesting article regarding this matter: http://www.ourislamic.com/forums/7-general-chat/832-swiss-to-ban-minarets-as-symbols-of-islamic-power.html#905 .

Please let me know what you think.

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Attack the central Swiss Bank? No good!

Attack the HUMAN RIGHTS CENTER in GENEVA? Allah forbid!...

Synagogues!.... BINGO!!

" Swiss ban ..invites Al Queda attacks "

I salute the Swiss for their vote..which reflects their sentiment..I recognize that their citizenry is well armed..what is yet to be displayed is a Swiss determination to fight..putting their well armed citizenry to good use. The last time the Swiss did any fighting, they were using those pikes they are issued to protect the Holy Father.

Gaddafi says minaret vote is gift to al-Qaida
Switzerland did a favour to al-Qaida by voting to ban minarets, according to Libyan leader Moammar Gaddafi.

The vote gave the terrorists an “argument” to attack Europe...
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Resist the Jihad in any way, and you invite...Jihad.

And what of the state of religious freedom for non-Muslims in Libya? There are an estimated 60,000 Coptic Christians in Libya. They have...*three churches*—one in Tripoli (St. Mark's), one in Benghazi (St. Antonios—two priests), and one in Misurata (St. Mary & St. George).

That's one church for every 20,000 worshippers.

The situation is similar for the county's 40,000 Catholics. The Anglican Bishop of Libya makes his residence in...Cairo, Egypt.

Sounds as though Muammar Gaddafi is more than qualified to lecture open, pluralistic, democratic Switzerland on religious freedom. sarc/off

The Swiss will predictably cave in, apologise, and grant a host of irreversible, self-inflicting concessions in favour of the Fifth Column. Mind you, it may take a peaceful terrorist act or two, but that's the way it seems to work in 21st century Europe.

The Swiss will predictably cave in, apologise, and grant the Fifth Column a host of irreversible concessions with long term consequences.

Mind you, it may take a peaceful act of terrorism or two, but that's the way it seems to work in 21st century Europe.

The Swiss will predictably cave in, apologise, and grant the Fifth Column a host of irreversible concessions with long term consequences.

Mind you, it may take a peaceful act of terrorism or two, but that's the way it seems to work in 21st century Europe.

The Swiss will predictably cave in, apologise, and grant the Fifth Column a host of irreversible concessions with long term consequences.

Mind you, it may take a peaceful act of terrorism or two, but that's the way it seems to work in 21st century Europe.

The Swiss will predictably cave in, apologise, and grant the Fifth Column a host of irreversible concessions with long term consequences.

Mind you, it may take a peaceful act of terrorism or two, but that's the way it seems to work in 21st century Europe.

The Swiss will predictably cave in, apologise, and grant the Fifth Column a host of irreversible concessions with long term consequences.

Mind you, it may take a peaceful act of terrorism or two, but that's the way it seems to work in 21st century Europe.

The Swiss will predictably cave in, apologise, and grant the Fifth Column a host of irreversible concessions with long term consequences.

Mind you, it may take a peaceful act of terrorism or two, but that's the way it seems to work in 21st century Europe.

The Swiss will predictably cave in, apologise, and then grant the Fifth Column a host of unilateral binding concessions with long term consequences.

Mind you, it may take a peaceful act of terrorism or two, but that's the way it seems to work in 21st century Europe.

The Swiss will predictably cave in, apologise, and then grant the Fifth Column a series of concessions with long term consequences.

Mind you, it may take a peaceful act of terrorism or two, but that's the way it seems to work in 21st century Europe.

The Swiss will predictably cave in, apologise, and then grant the Fifth Column a series of concessions with long term consequences.

Mind you, it may take a peaceful act of terror or two, but that's the way it seems to work in 21st century Europe.

The Swiss will predictably cave in, apologise, and then grant the Fifth Column a series of concessions with long term consequences.

Mind you, it may take a peaceful act of terror or two, but that's the way it seems to work in 21st century Europe.

The Swiss will predictably cave in, apologise, and then grant the Fifth Column a series of concessions with long term consequences.

Mind you, it may take a peaceful act of terror or two, but that's the way it seems to work in 21st century Europe.

The Swiss will predictably cave in, apologise, and then grant the Fifth Column a series of honourable concessions with long term consequences.

Mind you, it may take a peaceful act of terror or two, but that's the way it seems to work in 21st century Europe.

The Swiss will predictably cave in, apologise, and then grant the Fifth Column a series of concessions with long term consequences.

Mind you, it may take a peaceful act of terror or two, but that's the way it seems to work in 21st century Europe.

How embarrassing: The system kept returning a busy server error, so I persevered hoping for a wormhole but all the time my posts were being logged...now look what's happened!

How embarrassing: The system kept returning a busy server error, so I persevered hoping for a wormhole but all the time my posts were being logged...now look what's happened!

Ah MoMo Quack-daffy once again trying to appear significant.

You were saying? LOL. I don't have the trick down yet but both, Dumble & Spirit offer the solution. But you guys were never a twentyeighttimer were you? XW you set the record!

XW

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You have been logged too!

===" peaceful act of terror or two... "===

Was this a sample?...

Al- Qu'aida seems to be the enforcer for the Muslim world.They are given legitimacy whenever Muslims feel slighted."Al-Qu'aida will get you.Better not get them mad."
It's like boasting of having an uncle in the mob when someone gives you a hard time.

Thanks djrz for you man in a bar story. It is so true of our "moslem friends".
Sometimes I think that if we would pile insult upon insult they would be so busy trying to deceide where to strike at first that they would start blowing brain circuits.

dumbledoresarmy
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I read your stuff and tried to implement your technique, but after 3 minutes I fell fast asleep and had the strangest dream of my life!...

In my dream, I was sitting in front of an "Egg Head" who was trying his best to be friendly with me.

The waiter, ( it was in a restaurant... ) asked:- Would you gentlemen like a drink before ordering?

Yes,I said. I would like to have "Double JW On the rocks" please. very well Sir said the waiter and left to bring the glass.

What did you mean by JW? asked the "Egg head".

Johnny Walker! I said. The Scottish liquid, you know...

Ah! Good ! said the "Egg head". I thought my job is on the rocks!....

I wake up from my nightmare and see this comment on the Post!

It Works!

everything you do with Muslims invites an attack. might as well just do what you really want to do. what kind of ultimatum is that: "Do this or we kill you. Or DON'T do this - we kill you anyway. It's your choice, dog." Guess I'll just do this, genius, is the only sensible move to make.

xw,

Wow, 28 repeat postings -- that must be a Guiness World Record!

dumbledoresarmy,

There's no need to go off and put a pot on when you hit submit during those Gateway "time outs" -- simply exit Jihad Watch and re-enter, open the particular thread where you posted, hit refresh, and you should see it there.

That speech when Colonel Gaddfly says 'there are signs that Allah will grant Islam victory in Europe without guns, swords, military conquests. The 50 million muslims in Europe will turn it into a muslim continent in decades. Allah will add Turkey to the EU. That's another 50 million. That's 100 million Muslims'

is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7ympF_grrA

You must admit you can't fault his maths skills.