But deep down, they really, really, want peace! "Israel's Peace Offering Met By Fatah's Push For War," by David Bedein in the Philadelphia Bulletin, December 19:
Jerusalem - In an article never before run in the Arabic language publication Asharq Al-Awsat, Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon called on the Arab world to accept Israel's hand extended in peace.The headline read, "An open letter to the Arab world." Mr. Ayalon called on the Arab world to step forward and to join Israel "to repel the extremist and destructive forces in the Middle East, first and foremost Iran."
"Iran, the sponsors of terrorists and environmental and climate problems are the issues that threaten the Arab world and Israel as one. Now is the time to look ahead and to create a better future for all residents of the region."...
However, over the past week, senior Palestinian Authority officials launched the "National Conference for Strengthening Popular Activity" in Ramallah.
During that conference, the Palestinian leadership examined ways of renewing "uprising," a third "Intifada," armed rebellion against Israel.
"In practice, at issue is the execution of resolutions that were passed by the Fatah Conference that was held of late in Bethlehem, in which a strategic decision was made to continue the resistance to Israel," said senior Fatah officials....
Hello,
Where is Charles Johnson to denounce fascism when you need him??
V/R
CamNC4Me
Why is it so hard for the Israeli government to even begin to hint at what the war being waged against it, being waged against the Jews even before there was a state, in the Mandate period, is based on a doctrine that is unassuagable, and that it would be better for a policy -- not only an Israeli policy, but also a policy endorsed by the rest of the imperilled non-Muslims who may not yet recognize how intertwined is their fate with the fate of Israel -- that is, Israel is, and will always be, the object of a Lesser Jihad. Israel's existence as an Infidel nation-state, capable of surviving without being subservient to Muslims (some of them may, in their most benign moments, pretend to themselves that Israel can exist, as long as it meets every Arab demand, as long as it withdraws into borders that are hopelessly indefensible, as long as it exists, that is, on Muslim sufferance and not by right, exists as a state of dhimmis who may be exploited, by the circumambient Arabs, for their technical and medical advances, but are never to be accorded the right to exist independently, without obtaining, constantly, the begrudging approval of Arabs and Muslims who will forever be upping the ante, forever making life more, and yet more, difficult for the dhimmis in what would be a dhimmi statelet, forever in danger of being wiped out if it didn't "behave" as its Muslim masters wanted -- that is the vision of the most "moderate" of Muslim rulers, and it's not a prospect Israelis, or other Infidels, should be willing to accept.
At this date, the failure of Israel's elite to recognize the Muslim basis for opposition to Israel, and the willingness to still prate about the "Palestinians" and about the "peace" that can be achieved -- it's a mirage, it's absurd - through "negotiations" and a "treaty"--simply amazes. Doesn't Netanyahu, doesn't the rest of his cabinet, don't those in opposition, know a thing about the Treaty of Al-Hudaibiyya? Do they really think that if they mention these things, mention what Islam inculcates, they will be worse off than they are today? Do they think if they keep talking about "peace" and making offer after offer that they win points in the stony-hearted and ignorant world, at the E.U. or in the U.N.?
Only some truth-telling about Islam, first to themselves, and then to others, done artfully, obliquely -- first a little, thence to more --- will do. A right understanding of the war that is made on Israel, that will always be made on Israel, and that is part of a much larger war, whose Muslim side will only take heart and be emboldened should they obtain or force a victory over Israel, is indispensable if Israel is to survive.
A real core problem here is Danny Ayalon and those like him. He really doesn't want peace. He wants a cessation of hostilities that suit his interests. A very different animal.
Mr. Fitzgerald: The Treaty of Al-Hudaibiyya has nothing to do with a bunch of European Zionist Jewish supremacists deciding that they have the right to seize Palestine and proceed to mistreat, uproot and dispossess non-Jews who stood in the way of demographic conquest and consolidation. And I'm quite sure that Palestinian Christians aren't mindless adherents to any bizarre, ultra-militaristic Al-Hudaibiyya-inspired theology. If you think this is all the work of Muslims, you should review the recently released 'Kairos Palestine Document'.
Let's rework one of fairuzfan's sentences and see if the shoe fits:
"Mr. Fitzgerald: The Treaty of Al-Hudaibiyya has everything to do with a bunch of arab muslim supremacists deciding that they have the right to seize Palestine and proceed to mistreat, uproot and dispossess non-muslims who stood in the way of demographic conquest and consolidation."
There. Much more accurate.
No, it's not only Muslims. The phenomenon of the "islamochristian" is to be observed especially among the Arabs (Pakistani Christians, Indonesian Christians, do not support the Muslim agenda, but Arab Christians, if they are not part of a longstanding and coherent group sure of its identity and role, such as the Maronites and, especially when they are out of the Middle East, the Copts and Chaldo-Assyrians, tend because of their other identity, their Arabness, their 'Uruba, which they cannot easily separate from Islam (the great "gift of the Arabs"), they often internalize and make their own the Muslim Arab view of things. This is not only because, as Arabs, they tend to favor Islam unless they have a strong pre-Arab identity (those Maronites, Copts, Chaldeans and Assyrians are well aware that they preceded the Arab Muslim invaders, and that though they may now have Arab names, and use Arabic, they are not real Arabs -- and don't wish to be, especially in the safety of the West).
It is also because they must out of fear curry favor with the circumambient, ever-threatening Muslims.
And those Arab Christians who now call themselves "Palestinians" are the ones who more than any other are lilkely to accept, and promote, for both reasons given above, the Muslim worldview.
We have our greater and lesser struggles, too, Hugh. On the one hand is the blood and iron of actual Israeli self-defence; on the other is the paper, IT, etc. propaganda battle that all of us - Jews, Christians, 'Pagans and Idol-worshippers' various and all - are so conspicuously losing because so few recognise that we are fighting it. If the DepMin managed to get ANYTHING printed in an Arabic press outlet,it's a major score, whether anyone reads it or not. At least Israel's spitting a little into the hurricane of filth spewing forth from the orifices of the faithful. Strength to Her, and cross your fingers for the Solstice period - How many times is the west going to get caught half-drunk at festival time before we learn from the inimitable Scobiemass of Athens?
Here, from the jihadwatch archives, are two stories, one by a Gentile, one by a Jew: recounting the startling - and ultimately, illuminating - statements about Islam, and Muslims, and Jihad (the jihad against the USA, the jihad against Israel) that were made to them by, respectively, a Hindu and a Buddhist.
First, the Gentile westerner and the advice he received from a Hindu, after 9/11, advice that he applied, in the comments thread in which he shared it, to the situation of Israel:
"I think the more you learn the more you will come to realize Israel is at war with Muslims, and just what that means beyond the surface.
'I remember at the beginning of the current Iraqi affair, a Hindu said to me,
“You are at war with Muslims now, you will not be able to simply go home like you did in Vietnam."
You will come to learn that there are only two outcomes in war with Muslims. Either they die, or you die.”
'I was completely shocked by that statement, floored, it was a cathartic moment. I was just like you [another poster, ‘SCEPTIC’] before I heard that.
'We in the west can learn a lot about what is in store for the US from Hindus {he means, the non-dhimmi variety - dda}, you should check for yourself to see what they have to say.
'Anyways it was that statement, which sent me on my journey to study Islam many years ago.
'There is no end for Jews in Israel other than death, or victory…
-Posted by: ethoman at January 6, 2009 1:36 PM
And here is the other, from our other 'regular', 'mark goldberg', made in a thread discussing an article about the dalai lama who had made a dhimmi-type remark about Islam:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2006/04/dhimmi-lama.html#c203329
mgoldberg | April 15, 2006 10:32 PM
'It is so disconcerting to hear him [the DL] speak thus.
'The irony is, I was first made aware of the depth of Islam by a Buddhist monk. A lama, and a gifted, rather poignant and impressive person in my life.
'Many years ago, I was having a conversation with him. The mid 70's, still young and way to liberal about things in general.
'He asked me once, about the problems of Israel and the moslems.
'I had some inkling already, having met a few Turks and others, that gave a disturbing feeling to that faith. I was a bit lost in sufi poetry and all that.
'I went into what I felt was a benign enlightened peaceful interpretation of how we jews had suffered so badly at the hands of muslims and christians and had survived to show how even the meek could accomplish so much, and now, we were ready as always to share what we had for peace, and work together.
'I felt very zen with my little speech to him.
'And proud of myself. What a peaceful guy I was.
'"What do you think of the problems between the moslems and the jews," I asked...
' I'd never heard this guy ever make a negative comment about other religions, although he was quite the shapeshifter in dealing with all manner of subjects.
'He smiled at me.
'After my little speech, he gave me a slightly forgiving smile. The kind the nurse gives you when she walks out of the Intensive care room of your loved one, and whispers...
"The doctors are working very hard"
'He said softly, but succinctly- " Islam is a devil's religion"
'If he'd have punched me in the nose, it would've had less effect than that comment.
'It was unheard of for me, or my family or jews to comment like that. Well- all the liberal one's anyway.
'I just thought to myself after hearing his comment- 'well, screw that, that's weird'
'You see, I could'nt allow myself to even hear such ideas. Always you be the goody two shoes in my then ideation.
'But I knew him. He was a man, a gifted, very talented man, and one whose opinion was never frivolous. Never voiced things unless they had some place, or so it seemed in one's work.
'So- since it wasn't any cult. I just thought-
"Screw him, that's the end of this conversation".
'Yet his comments haunted me, for years.
;He was a very good man. A wise man, a man of insight- and I learned not to dismiss whatever he said simply because it sounded incorrect.
'I remember all the events of the 80's, the events of the early nineties, and Oslo, and the homicide of Rabbi Kahane, and the
Left's embrace of homicidism as revolution.
'And I once guarded the DL's door on a visit to america. Nice man.
'But he, I do not forgive him for his appeasement, here, now, nor last month in Israel- and his ordinariness.
'He knows better.
'The Tibetans then, all knew the muslims for the conquering oppressors of the entire east, and they were truly sympathetic to the Jewish people's struggle to survive under the muslim hammer.
'Now, with the mass homicidism, worldwide, he plays UN patsy, a darling and it gets him invited to the vast appeasement table- at the expense of others."
Mark
Wise words from a non-dhimmi Hindu:
“You are at war with Muslims now, you will not be able to simply go home like you did in Vietnam."
You will come to learn that there are only two outcomes in war with Muslims. Either they die, or you die.”
Wise words from a non-dhimmi Buddhist of Tibet:
" Islam is a devil's religion".