In a particularly inept example of legal jihad, Muslims Of America has threatened legal action against the Christian Action Network, the producers of the Homegrown Jihad documentary, for a video that the Christian Action Network didn't produce. The MOA press release is here.
Martin Mawyer of the Christian Action Network responds in a statement to Jihad Watch:
This is going to give us an opportunity to finally file suit against Muslims Of America and depose people at Muslims Of America to obtain all their financial records, which I believe they will have to turn over to us, and which will prove definitively that they are a terrorist organization. We will have a jury in court agree that they are a terrorist organization.
We will have a jury in court agree that they are a terrorist organization.
I hope and pray that's true, but with a ton of money and a slick lawyer, miscreants can make a jury disbelieve the most obvious and irrefutable evidence. Remember OJ.
gozan - I don't believe that's why OJ was aquitted.
"muslims of america?" Good Grief. There shouldn't be any.
If depositions of MOA members will reveal too much, as I think they would, then MOA will drop this bogus case, which is my prediction. But perhaps the Christian Action Network might want to consider a countersuit for malicious prosecution because of the absence of legitimate probable cause, it being the case that this network didn't produce the video MOA alleges it did. One can only hope CAN explores all legal options available to it. After all, Muslim stupidity should always be exploited.
Wellington
. . . After all, Muslim stupidity should always be exploited.
And they should be humiliated as much as possible. Maybe they will get mad and boycott.
Two can play this game.
Network might want to consider a countersuit for malicious prosecution because of the absence of legitimate probable cause, it being the case that this network didn't produce the video MOA alleges it did.
My thoughts exactly. If MOA does drop the suit I hope the Christian Action Network jumps at the chance. The more these guys can be exposed the better.
Network might want to consider a countersuit for malicious prosecution because of the absence of legitimate probable cause, it being the case that this network didn't produce the video MOA alleges it did.
My thoughts exactly. If MOA does drop the suit I hope the Christian Action Network jumps at the chance. The more these guys can be exposed the better.
This Mawyer guy sure doesn't like art:
"In the May 13 profile of Martin Mawyer, president of the Christian Action Network [Religion], Mawyer is portrayed as a lobbyist with a serious religious and social agenda, trying to make his way into the influential circle of conservative Republicans. What your reporter did not share with your readers was Mawyer's organization's fund-raising 'literature,' intended to cash in on the 'culture war.' These mailings are riddled with misinformation about projects funded by the National Endowment for the Arts (NEA). For instance, in last summer's 'Declaration of War' on the NEA, he claimed that Chairman Jane Alexander 'is going to ask for 50 billion tax dollars' and 'is going after your children and grandchildren' by introducing them to 'gay themes.' Then comes the pitch: 'I desperately need you to enclose a gift of $ 50. . . . Perhaps you could even send $ 150 or more. . . . May God bless you.'This would be offensive enough, but now Mawyer is employing far more hateful and potentially dangerous rhetoric. He recently issued a 'Death Certificate' with Jane Alexander named as the mother of the NEA. Mawyer asks contributors to sign the death certificates and send them in with a check. He then plans to load the death notices into a coffin. In his own words: 'My goal is to gather 10,000 Certificates of Death,' 'fill this coffin to its brim' and then 'take this coffin straight up the steps of the United States Capitol.'"
The Washington Post
June 03, 1995, Saturday, Final Edition
Culture Cash
SECTION: OP-ED; Pg. A13; FREE FOR ALL
How does MOA spell ACT? C-A-N! Well, two of the three letters are the same!
dave: And your point? The point of the article is not to support necessarily the views of ACT (which I do not agree with at all) but is in the line of the mantra "enemy of mine enemy". I assume you agree suing someone for a video they had nothing to do with in order to bully them into silence about Islamic supremacy is wrong and should be fought? I hope ACT wins, not because I like ACT but because I hate the brutish tactics being used by MoA. I wouldn't have said anything if you had provided the same information by starting with something like "you should be aware they hold this view", but instead your sarcastic opening shows you're just trying to ridicule ACT because you don't like how their standing up against MoA's bullying.
Thank you for the above link to 'Muslims of America'
I was impressed to see, in another link at that site, that MoA has invented a whole new branch of science...
'Jinnology'
Read all about it.
"Gilani believes (like Mr Deity) that magic tricks like juggling, levitating and disappearing are all achieved by real magic; in his case by harnessing the supernatural abilities of those pesky demon sprites, Jinns, and he's determined to prove it; - in the Jinnology Department of his Institute of Sufic Science.
An extract:
Perhaps the most well known personality to use the jinn in his stunts is an Israeli magician by the name of Uri Geller, who himself suffers from jinn possession. During his act, which has appeared on a number of television networks including the BBC, Geller caused forks and spoons to bend without coming into physical contact with them. He was also able to influence, through the medium of television, occurrences in the homes of his television audience. Presently, things have advanced so much that many television shows, movies, and video games show satanic mediums and sensitives, and spread psychic diseases; yet no one seems to realize or care. Remember the thousands of Japanese children that suffered seizures after viewing a particular cartoon, and also the jinn possession suffered by many who read Henry Potter’s black magic, sorcery novels.
During his research, El Sheikh Gilani was able to confront Professor John Taylor of the London University, who was engaged in an investigation of the Geller phenomena. El Sheikh Gilani, who was quite familiar with this, simply identified it as a classic example of jinn possession. Of course, Professor Taylor was not eager to accept El Sheikh’s clear explanation, since to do so would mean an immediate end to the fraud that was a source of the financial grants that provided him with a lucrative income.
El Sheikh Gilani has decided to expose this fraud in his upcoming lecture on the jinn, which will be made available through the Abdul Qadir Gilani Institute of Sufic Sciences, Department of Jinnology. Much of El Sheikh Gilani’s memoirs can be likened to experiences written about in the 1001 Arabian Nights. There are very few things written about in these tales that he did not experience in his youth. In his upcoming lecture entitled the “Science of Jinns,” El Sheikh will detail how Muslim jinns carry his servants from one place to another."
This modern day Munchausen has lots more tricks up his sleeve. Other links on his site will explain how his system of Quranic healing has brought dead people back to life, cured cancer and other serious illnesses by scientifically (of course) reading carefully selected Koranic verses over the patient repeatedly, and in a special way.
If that doesn't work he will select other 'stronger' verses!
This man should be revered for this great work, now we can do away with all that silly expensive modern medicine and simply recite gibberish instead.
Allahu akbar !
Foolster41:
[I assume you agree suing someone for a video they had nothing to do with in order to bully them into silence about Islamic supremacy is wrong and should be fought?]
I don't know why Spencer says that it is "a video that the Christian Action Network didn't produce," and you say it is "a video they had nothing to do with" when the did have something to do with it:
"Come see the trailer to the hit new documentary film "Homegrown Jihad:The Terrorist Camps Around U.S." Produced by PRB films, in association with The Christian Action Network....."
http://israelinsider.ning.com/video/homegrown-jihad-trailer
When something is produced "in association" with an organization, I would consider that organizaion involved. I don't know if the involved in a legal sense, but that is for the court system to decide. I don't think suing someone is bullying them. I have been sued, but I didn't feel bullied.
Foolster41:
You should be aware they hold the view that gay people shouldn't dance at Disney World:
"Martin Mawyer and Phillip Vaught tried to blend in with the gay men as they leaned against a railing above the dance floor at a Downtown Disney nightclub. They weren't here to celebrate the opening of Gay Days and neither is gay. The self-described "Christian guerillas" instead aimed hidden video cameras at the sea of shirtless men dancing on the packed, revolving floor as colored lights twirled above. Their mission was to record any homoerotic displays to show at Disney's next shareholders' meeting. They believe Disney shouldn't be condoning such behavior."
AP
June 1, 2001, Friday, BC cycle
'Christian guerillas' infiltrate Gay Days at Disney World
BYLINE: By MIKE SCHNEIDER, Associated Press Writer
Correction,
In my post above I put the opening quotation marks in the wrong place.
They should be moved down by one paragraph (the one beginning 'perhaps')
Mr. Mawyer of CAN may be naive but he is not a suicidal/homicidal jihadist. Let's please refrain from even the most remote moral comparrisons.
Agreed, Rico.
rico:
[Mr. Mawyer of CAN may be naive but he is not a suicidal/homicidal jihadist.]
I haven't seen anyone show that any MOA members are "suicidal/homicidal jihadists" either.
When a Muslim exhibits anti-gay behavior, it is OK to talk abbout it on JW:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/11/sharia-cab-in-new-york-city-muslim-cabbie-kicks-out-gay-couple.html
I guess when a member if the in-group does the same thing, pointing it out is making an invalid moral comparison. OK.
I'm not sure that with groups like the Muslims of America that their main goal is *winning* law suits-I believe they hope that the mere *threat* of a law suit will cause many groups to cave, just to avoid the expense and aggravation of dealing with a court case.
I may not agree with the Christian Action Network on all points, but their stated intent to *counter sue* the bullies at MOA to expose their links to Jihad terror is brilliant!
Dave742, go ahead and talk all you want about what an evil Christian homophobe Kepha is. Homosexuality is an evil fruit of idolatry, not creative expression by free-spirited, sensitive types. Do you truly believe that anyone who enjoys giving or getting the moral equivalent of a non-anesthetized rectal probe is truly healthy? Do you want boys to be taught to explore such behaviors or accept such things as appropriate?
If my saying that makes me an evil homophobe, I wear the label with a sense of honor--just as if my dislike of Islamic doctrine makes me an Islamophobe, I wear that label as a badge of honor, too.
The general behavior of the Democratic Party in the USA, the various Social Democratic parties of Europe, the PeeCee-ism of Hollywood, and all the rest show the walls of dry straw they are against the jihadist threat. Indeed, my own feeling about them is that they probably see the jihadis as their allies against us evil Christians.
And, while I enjoy certain genres of visual art, I would gladly defund the National Endowment for the Arts. I feel that being taxed to support people whose "art" would probably be otherwise unmarketable is a kind of jizya my Dhimmi community pays to its cultured despisers who happen to wield the levers of power. The homosexuals want to picket churches and jail me for "hate speech", so I cheer those who rain on their parades.
Go CAN! Expose MOA for what it is!
Dave742, the fact remains that Mr. Mawyer follows one of the religious doctrines that preaches peace and tolerance, but the MoA members follow a political system that disguises itself as a religion that preaches hatred, violence, sociopathic behavior and the utter destruction of anyone who does not believe/behave as they do. Why do you criticize Robert for addressing these issues in JW? The title of his site makes if clear what sort of content is likely to be addressed, so perhaps a forum discussing the Facebook game "Lil Green Patch" would be more to your liking?
You sound like a recipient of NEA welfare, Dave. While I am not against supporting the traditional "arts" in kindergarten, grade school or even high school, beyond that point all taxpayer funding should stop. Public education in America is designed to prepare children to earn a living and to make their own way in the world. Upon graduating high school, if they cannot support themselves in an occupation that interests them, they can go back to school (at their own expense), change their style or work harder at their "art" so they produce something that people will actually WANT to buy, find some other way of earning a living and pursue their "art" in their free time, etc.
Here's some art for ya, Dave.....and I didn't need a fat subsidy from the NEA to think it up, either. Put a patch over one eye and a parrot on the shoulder of all NEA supporters or recipients of NEA welfare so that y'all can be clearly recognized as the pirates you really are. The NEA panders to the lunatic fringe of American society by extorting money from taxpayers to support "art" that is a slap in the face to most of us.
Annie Oakley:
Very intelligent post. I am not an artist. I am a chemist.
Your caustic, imperious retorts are so clever but how was Annie Oakley supposed to know you are a chemist? Her comments were very intelligent and I concur with everything she said.
Since you are a chemist and obviously a man of unsurpassed wisdom and intellect, why don't you concoct a potion that would ameliorate your shitty attitude? And while you're at it, maybe you could come up with a panacea for the muslim compulsion to commit mass murder.
SusanP:
[how was Annie Oakley supposed to know you are a chemist?]
She could have asked before writing 3 paragraphs assuming I was an artist and assuming she knew ever nuance of my views regarding the arts just because I quoted Mawyers psychotic actions regarding the NEA.