And once again Muslim authorities refused to act against the Islamic supremacists. Islamic Tolerance Alert: "Church screening of 'Jesus' film attacked in Pakistan," from The Christian Messenger, December 29 (thanks to Winoceros):
AS many as 50 Muslim villagers armed with clubs and axes recently attacked a showing of the 'Jesus' film near Sargodha, Pakistan, injuring three part-time evangelists and four Christians in attendance.Two of the evangelists were said to be seriously injured. The Muslim hardliners also damaged a movie projector, burned reels of the film and absconded with the public address system and donations from Christian viewers in Chak village, about 10 kilometers northeast of Sargodha.
Officers at the Saddr police station refused to register a case against the Muslim assailants, sources said....
The evangelists said a Muslim cleric instigated the Muslim villagers, who were armed with clubs, spades and axes.
Clearly this Muslim cleric was a Misunderstander of the Religion of Peace and Tolerance™.
I am worried there will be a "Christian Backlash" .................
Are you worried? ( Didn't think so...... )
Happy New Year Jihad Watchers!
When will the Christians organize violent rallies and threaten death to Muslims in retaliation? That's how the Islamists do it, right?
And this is the society whose statistics on violent crime "dave742" would believe when they supposedly show a less violent society than America. This story, and thousands more over the years from that region, show a society so profoundly diseased, fanatical and corrupt it would be virtually impossible to glean accurate statistics without actually occupying the region and forcing compliance (though that would likely cause the problem of Heisenberg principle), or through some monumentally elaborate campaign of undercover reporting.
You show vampires the cross, this is what happens.
My God. The Barbarians.
"clubs and axes"
Instruments of allah worship ...good gawd!
Nice one, Yankel.
So much for the "No compulsion in religion" nonsense.
I don't know what it will take to wake up the vast majority of normal freedom loving people but when they do finally wake up, that whole region has a serious curb-stomp coming.
Sadly, I fear only another horrible attack with mass casualties is what it's going to take to make people open their damn eyes and see what's right in front of their face.
And just in case there are any CAIR trolls lurking these boards, the curb-stomp comment isn't to imply a war but simply for the rest of the free world to finally say with one voice, grow up, get civilized or drowned in your own stupidity and intolerance.
It would also be nice if our government stopped giving these moronic regimes money. They have no interest in stopping this barbaric garbage.
There are 2,800,000 Christians in Pakistan and though we hear about the violent attacks (and even many of those are hushed up) even Jihad Watch readers have little idea of the day to day life of discrimination, endless insult and petty cruelty these followers of Jesus Christ must endure. The rapes and kidnappings are FAR more common than the publicized cases. Pakistan. Our 'ally'.
Qur'an Chapter 8, Verse 12:
When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.
"So much for the "No compulsion in religion" nonsense."
An abrogated Meccan verse. So, yes, - nonsense. Superseded by the Medinan Verses of the Sword.
There is no compulsion in religion, just voluntary manslaughter.
...but...but...Muslims respect Jesus as one of Allah's prophets...clearly these people who committed these crimes have misunderstood Islam and are not true Muslims. They need to be sent to Saudi Arabia for art therapy rehabilitation.
"Two of the evangelists were said to be seriously injured. The Muslim hardliners also damaged a movie projector, burned reels of the film and absconded with the public address system and donations from Christian viewers in Chak village, about 10 kilometers northeast of Sargodha."--from the article
That's all? Those must have been moderate misunderstanders of Islam. They did at least correctly model Muhammad (as per Quran 31:21) with regards to the use of pretext, threats, intimidation, violence, and plundering, but they'd have to add enslavement and rape, among other things, in implementing a more comprehensive and convincing imitation of Muhammad's conduct.
"The evangelists said a Muslim cleric instigated the Muslim villagers, who were armed with clubs, spades and axes."--from the article.
Nonsense. Everyone knows that each Muslim is an individual, an independent thinker. Islam is peace, and the Quran promotes critical, scientific thinking. The idea that a group of Muslims could be "instigated" to violence by the pronouncements of a cleric is absurd and unprecendented.
dave472 is an idiot, as you know Hesp.
"Officers at the Saddr police station refused to register a case against the Muslim assailants, sources said...." -- from the story.
And who is there with whom to register a case against the Saddr police for dereliction of duty? Likely no one, but hopefully an attempt will be made to do so anyway.
Barbarians!
My apologies for a couple of typos:
-Muhammad's model conduct is mentioned in 33:21, not 31:21.
-"unprecedented"
There is no point in occupying another Muslim country unless we are willing to enforce our model of human rights next time.
In public forums and in the American media, these shameless Pakistanis are boisterous about how they have so much in common with their Christian and Jewish brothers who "are from the same father - Ibrahim(Abraham) and are believers of monotheism, the only true faith."
In reality the Pakis are full of hatred, preach religious supremacy and genocidal violence. True to their actions, the Pakistani Islamists have nothing in common with Judaism and Christianity. The latter have more in common with eastern faiths - Buddhism, Hinduism, Zoroastrianism and Taoism, all of which teach their followers spiritual oneness, the love for all humanity, the virtue of forgiveness and "coexistence", even though some of these great religions are not monotheistic.
Pakistanis show their true color after all. I guess they will say anything and promise you the world to secure their jizya in billions from the US taxpayers, with an open smile and a sharp dagger hidden under their cloak!!!
God bless the victims of Islamic Jihad.
Hi all. I've been looking at this sight for a few days now and I've been reading a few books about terrorism and Islam. I find myself undecided at this point whether the view that all muslims are dangerous and Islam is a violent cult, or if it is is only a minority (even if a large minority) of Muslims are to blame. Reading stories like this makes me hew towards the former position but I find it damned hard to condemn millions for the actions of a hundreds.
I did find the idea (on this or one of the sites you have links to) that Christians, Jews and others must stand together in this whether they like it or not. Even though I'm an atheist, I've been thinking that also for some time now. This isn't just about defending Christianity, it's about defending Western Civilization, including the precious right to Freedom of Religion or Philosophy for the Individual. Islam doesn't seem to allow for that.
I'm horrified when I hear about any people getting killed, but do feel a special affinity and remorse for Christians being killed in Muslim countries. Most of my countrymen are Christians, but more importantly, my fellow Americans and brothers in arms, who's rights I would fight to defend. That any human would be killed for their beliefs in the 21st Century is appalling. Why the US Government doesn't protest about this or cut off funds to countries like Pakistan, which I believe is irredeemably Islamist, is unfathomable to me. Do they know something I don't know? Are they really are allies behind the scenes? The evidence seems to be mounting that they are not and that this war is going to get worse before it gets better.
Ray...There are two basic types of Mahoundian...Active and inactive jihadi's...Jihad is 'obligatory' for all able bodied Mahoundians...All jihadi's, active and inactive, get their marching orders from the same sources...The Quran, and the examples of Mahound...the 'perfect' man and role model'...
In the Quran, Allah made it clear who his enemies are, and what he expects his submitters to do about them...Quran 8:39, 9:5 9:29, 8:12, 5:33 and more, are examples of what he expects...Any Mahoundian who ignores, goes against, or tries to 'reform' Allah's word, or refuses jihad is a hypocrite, and in deep trouble with the boss...There are no hypocrites in Allah's paradise...
The non-Muslim world must put the Islamic source material (The Koran, Hadiths and Muhammad on trial. Fighting individual Muslims with huge military resources is ultimately a losing battle. The corruption in these source materials is right there is bold print for everyone to look at. If we put these sources on trial we will undermine the entire religion by showing it as the dangerous fiction that it is. Islam must go altogether. Don't argue with Muslims. That is Islamic pruning which makes it stronger and more pervasive. Islam must be uprooted from its sources.
The non-Muslim world must put the Islamic source material (The Koran, Hadiths and Muhammad) on trial. Fighting individual Muslims with huge military resources is ultimately a losing battle. The corruption in these source materials is right there is bold print for everyone to look at. If we put these sources on trial we will undermine the entire religion by showing it as the dangerous fiction that it is. Islam must go altogether. Don't argue with Muslims. That is Islamic pruning which makes it stronger and more pervasive. Islam must be uprooted from its sources.
Abdul and Khan give the movie two thumbs down; or is that two heads off?
"Muslims with clubs and axes attack showing of "Jesus" film in Pakistan"
Islam...feel the love>?
Eastview wrote:
"Officers at the Saddr police station refused to register a case against the Muslim assailants, sources said...." -- from the story.
And who is there with whom to register a case against the Saddr police for dereliction of duty? Likely no one, but hopefully an attempt will be made to do so anyway.
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The Christians are lucky the police didn't join in—this has happened in other places.
During the Armenian massacres in Turkey, violence was horrendous but sporadic and disorganized. It was after the Armenian community and representatives of the Western powers approached the authorities—the police and military—for help that the full horrific force of the genocide came down on them.
Hi Ray,
You mention the problem of condemning millions for the actions of hundreds. Polls of Muslims would seem to indicate that at least 1% of Muslims are interested in actively participating in military jihad. 1% means that out of three million -- one estimate of the Muslim population in the U.S. -- there will be 30,000 who are interested in actively participating in violent jihad. Polls of Muslims also seem to indicate that between 5% and 10%, while they do not wish to participate in violent jihad themselves, do support it at least morally and perhaps in other ways, for example by not informing authorities when they hear a would-be jihadi announce his intentions. If those percentages are correct, that is already a huge risk and cost for any nation importing Muslims. But the $64,000,000 question, really, is what percentage of Muslims would rather live under Islamic law than under a Western legal system? And some analysts look at polls of Muslims worldwide and estimate between 40% and 60% of them would support the replacement of Western legal systems by Islamic law. Other analysts claim the percentage is lower. But as to your concern about condemning millions because of hundreds, your numbers appear to be wrong. It's a question of condemning the core Islamic texts at the base of the belief system of over a billion people -- because of over ten million people interested in directly engaging in violent jihad, a hundred million who support that jihad violence, and perhaps half a billion people interested in living under a theocratic system that would make non-Muslims into second-class citizens subject manifold forms of social and legal discrimination and doomed thus to slow (and sometimes rapid) destruction. The numbers should be further researched, but the various polls out there show that things are very bad in Islam. Nor do the human rights records -- mediocre to horrific, mostly the latter -- of Islamic nations give much reason to respect Islam.
In Sahih Bukhari, the most canonical of hadith collections, Muhammad said, "Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him."
Ray Gamma, what should outrage you is that those millions of people who are called Muslim who you are struggling so to give the benefit of the doubt never had any choice to be what you are, an atheist, they could be an atheist in their heart, or want to be a Christian or Buddhist but they can't make that choice because they would be physically killed by their family or acquaintances! So the entire premise that there are all these millions of people who you don't want to condemn because they are Muslims and are decent people really doesn't make any sense if you think about it. They are prisoners more than they are anything else. Condemning Islam would be one way to begin to help them free themselves from the prison that is Islam. People in the West who have freedom of conscience yet look the other way regarding the pure evil that those born into Muslim dominated societies suffer - never having the chance to choose for their very own soul what their eternal choice will be, is truly despicable and unforgivable.
This barbaric and treacherous attack
with clubs and axes brings to mind the following account:
".... while Jesus was still speaking, Judas, one of the twelve, came up accompanied by a
crowd with swords and clubs.... when those who were around Him saw what was going
to happen, they said,
"Lord, shall we strike with the sword?"
And one of them struck the slave of the high priest and cut off his right ear.
But Jesus answered and said,
"Stop! No more of this. Put your sword back into its place,
for all those who take up the sword shall perish by the sword."
And He touched his ear and healed him." Mark 14:43, Luke 22:49-51 & Matthew 26:52
It also puts in mind the vast, infinite chasm
between Jesus Christ, the Man who was God
and Mohammad, the terrorizing and terrifying visage whose followers in some insane
mental and moral gymnastics give him the title of "best of men."
My gratitude is of an eternal nature ... I follow Jesus Christ!
They show up with clubs, picks, and axes because the dumb bastards subscribe to a social norm that that can't even maintain a power grid and therefore doesn't even know how to develop modern weapons.
Why is this so shit so hard to defeat? Yes, that's a rhetorical question.
Our superior Western civilization needs to fight with gloves off and finish this shit in about 2 weeks.
In regard to power, there's no contest when it comes to the Western nations versus the Middle East. We could wipe them off the face of the map, just as I'm-a-nut-job wants to do to Israel. But, I wonder if they think the reason that hasn't happened is a misguided belief that Allah is protecting them. What's actually prevented their demise is the Christian principles taught by Jesus, which are inherent in all Western societies.
If the situation was reversed and the Muslim nations were the ones with the overwhelming power, would they have spared a group of Christian majority countries? Considering various Quranic verses, the countless Arab demonstrations shouting death to America, and Amadinejad's rhetoric, I think not.
traeh,
Your poll numbers are quite conservative compared to some that I have seen. The Nazis had only 30% support in Germany and we fought Germany to the death. Most of the other 70% of Germans went along with the process for their own reasons.
I would suggest that radical Muslims have all the support they need for total control of the Muslim population.
If anyone in the west hurts a single muslim the whole muslim world will rise in protest and demand an apology from the west. Remember Denmark?
For now Pakistan won’t protect its own Christian or Jewish minorities. The word hypocrisy comes to mind. Pakistan owes the world more apologies than Denmark.
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except for a whimper, briefly uttered, the "moderates" of the mosque cannot control the bloodlust of their brothers
"they think the reason that hasn't happened is a misguided belief that Allah is protecting them."
The West at some point is going to need to wipe select Muslim sites off the face of the earth. That would force the Muslims to face that fact that Allah did not protect their precious sites. The Temple Mount can't be destroyed but the Muslims should be evicted and the mosque taken apart and removed and all sites returned to the Jews and Christians. Mecca of course will need to be removed and in fact not just leveled but made radioactive like Chernobyl so that it will be literally impossible for them to rebuild it or make their precious pilgrimage which is one of the oh so important "five pillars" which are really more like a three legged stool. We could even do this very carefully using our military to clear all the humans out of each area before finishing the job. Mecca in particular is an evil place of idol worship that must be destroyed and if we don't do it you can rest assured that Christ himself will when he returns in all His glory.
The reason behind the violence and savagery associated with muslims and islam is explained or "spelled out" in Genisis 16:12 wherein Gabriel tells Hagar (after she is sent out into the wilderness by Abraham's wife Sarah) that her son Ishmael ( son of Abraham thru Hagar and father of all the arab nations) would be a "wild man" whose hand would be against every man and every man's hand would be against him.
The words of Gabriel have proven to be true, just like all God's prophesies in the Bible. Unchanging! Never abrogated by anything or anyone!
I know it is a popular myth to say that Muslims are from that line, and it would explain the inability of the Muslims to coexist in the world, but that narrative then grants to "Muslims" that they are somehow related to Abraham, one of the great myths that confuses people, somehow giving some authenticity to Islam. Muhammad was from Arabia and there is no evidence that his ancestors had any relation to Abraham or his descendents. Muhammad invented Islam out of whole cloth and only included the bit about Abraham to try to glom on to the true historical and spiritual stories of the Old Testament. Islam is a fraud from beginning to end.
Boakai,
They probably don't want to.
Boakai,
They probably don't want to.
Patrick,
I once suggested on a board like this that the Quran should be made required reading in Western high schools in a class called World Religions or something. The first reply I got was that I should "get back on my camel, Muslim!" lol! It's funny, the reply I usually get to that suggestion (by Westerners who get their Islam from network TV) is that I am a Muslim crusader and "we don't want religion in our schools." I am NOT a fan of Islam.
Admittedly, the church-state seperation problem is a tough one, but if it could be described as "education in major world ideologies", it might fly. Nothing would please me more than the next generation of voters having read every word of that Handbook of Peace:)
And what could CAIR or any other group complain about? We're just teaching people the Good Word.
The Koran with all of the verses of hate should be taught alongside the Bible to show how different they are and how the societies that evolved out of the Bible (Western civilization) differ so much from those societies controlled by Islam. Every citizen of the West could benefit from that. But the problem is that instead they just teach a white-washed version of Islam disregarding all of the problematic spots, while simultaneously banning all mention of the Bible except perhaps to say that certain fanatics have done things like witch trials or whatever because of the Bible. They don't teach that it was because of the bible that so many great moments in history happened. They also teach Islam using phrases such as "prophet Muhammad" and stating as fact that it was revealed to him etc. etc rather than qualifying with phrases such as "Muslims believe..."
If the West ever gets to the point that it wants to survive it will be able to teach about the Koran and all of the evil that it has spawned but it won't happen in our lifetime. Hopefully in the distant future it will be taught as a way of explaining why Islam has been banned in the West, why it is excluded from the first amendment protections provided normal religions, why those who believe it are not allowed in the West, etc.
You only have to read Genesis to see that Ishmael was born to Hagar (the Egyptian) after Abraham went into her at the request of his wife Sarai (later named Sarah) because Sarai at that time was barren and she wanted a child. Ishmael is not a name found in the Hebrew tribes. The name is still given to Arabs today. Hence, he was/is the father of all the Arab nations. And, like the angel instructed Hagar, Ishmael would be a "wild man" whose hand would be against every man and in turn, every man's hand would be against him. Is that not happening in the world today? Has it not always been that way? Muslims and Islam are from the Arab nations. It's an Arab thing! Period! They certainly didn't evolve from a European or Western sect or cult.
It's reasonable to conclude, because of what's written in Genesis, that the Arab nations came from Ishmael through the union of Abraham and Hagar unless of course, you consider the Word of God a myth.
The Bible is not myth, the myth is that the Arabs are descended from Ishmael. Check out these very serious notations about the subject, more than enough to provide plenty of avenues for further research should you so desire. The site is also full of other interesting facts about Islam from the infidel point of view.
http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-myths-arabs-descendants-of-ishmael.htm
Thank you for taking the time to respond. But, can you explain to me what the scripture in Genesis 16:12 means? How does it relate to today? Who are the descendants of Ishmael? Where are they today?
Why did God tell hagar that the descendants of Ishmael would be (in number) like the stars in the heavens and the sands of the sea? That's a heck of a lot of relatives!
It`s very rare for Christians to retaliate!
You might want to consider sending that question to the website. If you looked at it you can appreciate that they really dig deep and would probably like to provide the answer on their website. Specifically they mention that the Ishmaelites were absorbed by the Midianites. What makes that site so fascinating is the constant references to non-biblical sources.
What is most important is that people not believe the lie that Muhammad or Islam are really connected to Abraham through Ishmael. That lie allows Islam to gain credibility with some that it does not deserve making it harder to expose and defeat.
But if you google Genesis 16:12 there are a lot of suggestions as to what it means. But that is another question separate and distinct from the lie the Arabs, Muhammad and Muslims tell.
A few of the quotes from the site:
The Ishmaelites are mentioned as a distinct tribe in the Assyrian records. They later intermarried with and were absorbed by the Midianites and other local tribes. In Gen. 37:25-28; 39:1, the Ishmaelites are called the Midianites and in Judges 8:22-24 cf. 7:1f, the Midianites are called the Ishmaelites. The identification cannot be made any stronger.
"There is a prevalent notion that the Arabs, both of the south and north, are descended from Ishmael; and the passage in Gen. xvi.12, "he (Ishmael) shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren," is often cited as if it were a prediction of that national independence which, upon the whole, the Arabs have maintained more than any other people. But this supposition is founded on a misconception of the original Hebrew, which runs literally, "he shall before the faces of all his brethren," i.e., (according to the idiom above explained, in which "before the face" denotes the east), the habitation of his posterity shall be "to the east" of the settlements of Abraham’s’ other descendants...These prophecies found their accomplishment in the fact of the sons of Ishmael being located, generally speaking to the east of the other descendants of Abraham, whether of Sara or of Ketuah. But the idea of the southern Arabs being of the posterity of Ishmael is entirely without foundation, and seems to have originated in the tradition invented by Arab vanity that they, as well as the Jews, are of the seed of Abraham--a vanity which, besides disfiguring and falsifying the whole history of the patriarch and his son Ishmael, has transferred the scene of it from Palestine to Mecca." (McClintock and Strong, Cyclopedia of Biblical, Theological, and Ecclesiastical Literature, (Vol. I:339)
I do understand what it`s like for Christians living day to day in Pakistan and also other muslim countries.
There are organisations like "Release International" and "Christian Solidarity Worldwide", the Barnabus Fund and others who will send regular updates on this sort of thing or on their websites so people can pray and write to their MPs. Nothing seems to happen when you do get in touch with MPs and ,like you say, you never hear about these things in the news media, except on Christian TV stations and radio!
This is not a new thing, it`s been going on for years and many,many Christians have died or lost loved ones.
Many,many Christians in Iraq have been murdered to this day!
Bishop Andrew White, who is British has a church in Baghdad and a very large majority of its members have been murdered and quite recently the church was bombed!
It`s heartbreaking and a form of ethnic cleansing as the extremists only want muslims in the country!
Then there`s murders and terrible acts of violence between Sunni and Shia muslims.
Such a violent religion, full of hate!
"Why did God tell hagar that the descendants of Ishmael would be (in number) like the stars in the heavens and the sands of the sea? That's a heck of a lot of relatives!"
God did not tell Hagar that, he told Abraham that.
Genesis 15:1-6
1 After these things the word of the LORD came unto Abram in a vision, saying , Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward. 2 And Abram said , Lord GOD, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house is this Eliezer of Damascus? 3 And Abram said , Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir . 4 And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying , This shall not be thine heir ; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir . 5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said , Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be. 6 And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.
Of course, the *heir* of Abram/ Abraham - the heir not only of Abraham's worldly goods, but (far more imporantly) of the spiritual promise, the covenant - is not Abraham's son Ishmael, born from the Egyptian slave-girl Hagar, but Abraham's son Isaac, who is miraculously born from Abraham's *wife*, Sarai/ Sarah.
Ishmael does not inherit; Isaac does.
So the promise of descendants as numerous as the stars, in the passage you've cited, is normally held to refer primarily not to Ishmael (though Ishmael *is* predicted to have numerous descendants) but to Isaac and to *his* heirs (and again, the line splits into Edom/ Esau, who does not inherit the promise/ covenant, and Jacob/ Yaacov/ renamed Israel, who *does*).
Not only are the Arabs/Muslims not part of the inheritance but their accursed state can be explained by the related statement from God to Abraham in Genesis 12:
Genesis 12
1 Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
One can see the blessing that America has enjoyed in this and the decrepit state of the Arab/Muslim world as well. Muhammad took cursing the Jews to new heights codifying it into a religion that millions of followers by following it are dooming themselves in this life and the next.
I think you need to go to a religious site with that. Also, Many of the people mentioned in the Bible disappeared into the mists of time. Where are Moabites or Samaritans? If you want to discuss Genesis, there are plenty of places that would welcome it. It really is not relevant here. This is not a sectarian site, since Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, and the unaffiliated come here for a similar reason, Islamist supremacism.
I've been reading a few books about terrorism and Islam. I find myself undecided at this point whether the view that all muslims are dangerous and Islam is a violent cult, or if it is is only a minority (even if a large minority) of Muslims are to blame.
Terrorists are on the cutting edge of Islam. They are a minority. But all muslims, moderate or extremists, advocate the eventual implementation of Shariah law. Extremists say 'we want it right now', while moderates say 'lets convert some more people, gather more numbers and power, and then we will get to it'
I did find the idea (on this or one of the sites you have links to) that Christians, Jews and others must stand together in this whether they like it or not.
Christians, jews, hindus, buddhists, atheists, everyone is threatened by this violent cult. We must stand together.
One point for you to consider, for the most part Muhammad stole bits and pieces from the Bible and then distorted them claiming that the original are incorrect, changed by the Jews and Christians. So those two groups have a special gripe with Islam and Muhammad. Had he taken Buddhism or Hinduism and fundamentally changed them and told lies about their most respected or holy figures, stories and doctrines then they would be in the place that Christians and Jews are with regard to Islam. And the story of Abraham and his lineage is absolutely central to everything. The false claims that the Arabs/Muslims make even affect geopolitics with their constant agitation and warring on Israel based at least in part on their claims about Abraham and his sons. That .308 stated as fact the distorted Arab/Muslim version is important, either he is a Muslim or he is an infidel who read that and fell for it. It affects how people see Islam and whether or not the West is going to defend itself from Islam. It isn't just some obscure talking point from the Old Testament that people can quibble about in Sunday School. Every time you hear someone go one about the "three Abrahamic faiths" and suggest that Jews and Christians need to work with with the Muslims since all of them somehow share a common heritage, it is a lie and that lie has terrible political implications.
By the time I get logged in... I've forgotten what I want to say! I get more discussed with the comments.
I guess several things:
0) forgive my spelling ( type fast without check )
1) You commentors need to better indicate whos side your on!
2) Tell me again why we are giving mega millions to Pakastan, that they criticized us for stipulating it could not be used to support terrorism!!!
3) You commentors who want to argue religion, are being stupid! No islam is even reading past your first sentence. The only factual statement that makes sense to make is: Christians are not taught to hate and kill!!!
4) I guess more is not important. Nothing will change these Islams or our PC population here in the US!
The only point of arguing religion is not to convince Muslims, as you say, they won't change, but there are non-Muslims in the West who think that Islam is "just another religion" and that it worships the same God as that of the Bible. Those are the people who need to be convinced that their naive approach to Islam will mean the death of the West.
Generally speaking, it is always interesting how any direct quotation of the Bible or mention of Jesus in a spiritual sense will generate hostile reactions. People just don't like being told. And yet Muslims are in your face 24/7 with their religion and some don't even react to that, only to the "violence" the Muslims commit. Spiritually speaking the doctrines of the Muslims can be taken apart and shown for the idiotic stupidity that they are but very few in the West are ready to take that task on.