Would Shi'ites curtail one of their celebrations to show similar "respect" to the Christians? Would they mute their joy on Eid al-Fitr if it began on Good Friday? What do you think? And what would happen to these Christians if they failed to show this "respect"?
"No Christmas celebrations in Basra," from Alsumaria, December 21 (thanks to Nicholas):
Christians in Basra decided not to celebrate Christmas explicitly as it coincides this year with a sad memorial for Shiite who commemorate the martyrdom of Imam Al Hussain and his brother Al Abbas in Karbala. Bishop Imad Al Banna, the head of Chaldeans Bishops in Basra called on all Christian brethren not to display their joy, not to publicly celebrate the feast of the Nativity or entertaining guests at home to show our respect vis-à-vis Shiites, on the occasion of Muharram, said the statement issued Sunday. The Shiites, according to the lunar calendar, commemorate this year the mourning of Ashura (the 10th of the month of Muharram) the next weekend when Christmas falls on Friday. Meanwhile, bishop of Baghdad Shlimoune Wardouni said that this concerned only Basra.
Iran is notifying it's air defense program to target "the fat, red infidel and his 8 haram reindeer".
to show our respect vis-à-vis Shiites,
'Who loves ya baby'?...Not the Shiites...You're Quran 98:6 to them...'They are the worst of creatures'. That's you Bishop Al Banna, but I guess you already know that...
Rolling over, bellying up and playing dead, will sometimes deter the bear from further attack...but maybe not...it depends on the bear...
"AND CANCEL CHRISTMAS!" - The Sheriff of Nottingham (Robin Hood: Prince of Theives)
Cripes, and to that that's been a long-standing joke, the megalomaniac totalitarian cancelling Christmas. Looks like it's no joke any more.
And what about the Sunnis? Are they going to observe this Shia day of mourning? If they are, it will likely be by bombing a Shia mosque. Christians, take notes.
Islam is NOT a religion. The fact that muslims call it one and that so many gullible people accept this as fact is testimony only that most people are ignorant as to what any religion IS.
Islam is a set of barbaric beliefs born in hatred, sexism, self loathing, revenge and murder. It is nurtured by the devil and his angels. It's construction is intended to destroy the entire christian world and the Gospel of Salvation.
Those who practice islam don't know that they are condemned to eternal hell, and the christians that they kill are granted immediate salvation in heaven.
WAKE UP AMERICA. There is a muslim in the white house.
At least there's Christmas in Pittsburgh
There is no Christmas acceptable to God and Christ. Every day is to be celebrated. Christians have turned Jesus into the false prophet of Deuteronomy 13 so Jews cannot accept him. He did not do away with the law of Moses.
This is the time of great deception God warned against. Christians do not know the word of God including the message of Jesus Christ. Salvation comes from returning to follow God's word from the beginning, repenting of our sins because the shed blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from our sins.
Jesus said to live by every word of God. Matthew 4:4.
He said, "If they believe not Moses and the Prophets, neither will they believe though one rise from the dead." Luke 16:31.
Leviticus 23 gives God's celebrations with days of no work (How we celebrate now). Deuteronomy 4:2 says not to add or take away from God's word. Leviticus 26 is God's promise of blessings if we obey His word and terror and 4 x 7 curses if we disobey and reject His ways. We are receiving the curses which means we are rejecting God's ways. That must stop. Exodus 20 is the Ten Commandments that we are to follow. It is time to bow before our King; He is the Word of God, the Same yesterday, today and for ever.
You are soo utterly wrong MarieDevine:
"There is no Christmas acceptable to God and Christ."
I know this is Jihad watch, and not a religious debate center, however I can not allow this statement to go unanswered.
Colossians 2:13-16 (New International Version)
13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins,
14 having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross.
15 And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross
16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
There is no unacceptable Christmas celebration, provided it is done is celebration of his Birth.
There is no Christmas acceptable to God and Christ? Christians have turned Jesus into the false prophet of Deuteronomy 13 so Jews cannot accept him?
Huh? Loosen up, will ya', and don't forget to decorate a Christmas tree. Meanwhile, pay attention to the real enemy which is Islam, all of it if truth be told, and know full well we need everyone-----Christian, Jew, Hindu, Buddhist, agnostic, atheist, etc., to combat Islamic supremacist designs worldwide. BTW, Merry Christmas.
I Am The Man Thomas
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbo_vGZAGcg
Rolling over in Basra or Detroit is full "Dhimmitude" in action. Tip toe around those "peaceful ones" or it's your head severed from the neck up mentally, and sometimes too physically.
He did not do away with the law of Moses.
--Marie Devine
He did away with stoning
He did away with execution for apostasy
He did away with execution for violating the Sabbath.
He did away with divorce,
And many others...
THANK GOD!
A reminder: this is a non-sectarian site.
All I want for Christmas is this thread back on topic.
Yeah!
What was the topic anyway?
Oh, yes. Shites want to cancel Christmas. And I thought only the Grinch could do that.
…and in keeping with the dhimmi anti-Christmas spirit, just check out Google’s home page (well, the .ca one in any case) with their homage “Google” script where the mouse roll-over pops up “Happy Holidays.” Yep, don’t want to offend those who look for every opportunity to be offend.
So, no Christmas celebration anywhere, not in Basra, or the internet’s most popular search engine home page.
Shites. :lol: I'll have to remember that one.
I would like to submit an early nomination for next years Dhimmi election in what could be the new "Bishop" category.
Christians in Basra decided not to celebrate Christmas explicitly...
There is no more effective censorship than self-censorship.
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That's because it's either invisible or very hard to see even infrequently. It's also largely free.
Use to be that the USSR would spend enormous amounts of time, money and effort telling lies to its population, and almost nobody believed it.
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Now, here in the West, it's every bit as unbelievable yet somehow almost everybody believes it, and the 6th Pillar of Islam is surfing the big wave better than any other group competing in the opinion programming arena, a booming growth industry.
Well at least Christmas in Basra isn't becoming too commercial.
RoP has a story from Indonesia where the Religious Affairs Office of Aceh is banning the Chinese from performing the Dance of the Lions in order to "maintain religious harmony"
http://www.asianews.it/index.php?l=en&art=17172&size=A
Bishop Imad Al Banna, the head of Chaldeans Bishops in Basra called on all Christian brethren not to display their joy...
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Yes—can't have the dhimmis "displaying their joy", can we?
more:
...not to publicly celebrate the feast of the Nativity or entertaining guests at home...
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Even "entertaining guests at home" is too much of a potential provocation to the peaceful ones.
And what of these celebrations?
Here is a picture of a children at a Christmas celebration in Basra from 2005:
http://search.tvnz.co.nz/photogallery/images/gallery/news/iraq_santakids.jpg
Here is a colorful montage of images of the bloody "celebration" of Ashura, replete with traumatized children:
http://religiousfreaks.com/UserFiles/Image/ashura.jpg
Why so modest, Marisol? What I want for Christmas (and what a great Christmas present it would be) is no Islam. That's right, on Christmas Day every Muslim wakes up a Christian (Hindu, Jew, Buddhist or Sikh would be just fine as well) and Islam becomes nothing but a relic overnight. Wow, talk about a great Christmas. Then, I really would believe in miracles.
Those who wish to give a Christmas gift to the persecuted Christians trapped within dar al Islam should donate to The Barnabas Fund.
Perhaps if there is a Coptic Christian or Assyrian Christian or Persian Christian emigre church in your suburb, you should drop a friendly Christmas card in their letterbox and let them know that they are welcomed and loved in a still-free non-Muslim country; perhaps mosey along to a service, chat to the priest and find out if they are taking contributions to help their co-religionists and family members who are still stuck in the Predator Pits; ask if they need an American or Canadian or Australian citizen to assist a bona fide Copt or Assyrian refugee/ asylum-seeker to escape.
Furthermore: in order to help make Wellington's Christmas wish come true, donations may be made to those bodies which engage in concerted effort at resisting and truthtelling, or in deprogramming Muslims: for Resistance and truthteling, this website and other counterjihad websites; for deprogramming, one can support Ali Sina's faithfreedom site and/ or Ibn Warraq's site and/ or Fr Zakaria Botros' ministry and/ or the Bible Society [which has branches in, for example, Turkey), and any Christian radio or satellite station that broadcasts into dar al Islam.
Let us not forget *any* of the non-Muslim groups assailed by Jihad. Catholics and Orthodox and Anglicans, on the Feast of the Holy Innocents, and also on the Feast of Stephen, might like to offer special prayers in memory of *all* the Tears of Jihad, all those (not only Christians, but Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Zoroastrians and others) mass-murdered and enslaved by Muslims down the centuries; and dedicate themselves to assisting the present-day sufferers.
Do not forget to keep on pestering our politicians at every level, concerning the plight (past and present) of all those non-Muslims who suffer abuse within the Empire of Islam.
I'd be a little more charitable towards the Christians in Basra. They've been Dhimmi for 1300 years +, and know what Muslims are like when they're offended--and Muslims take offense at the drop of a hat.
As for the debate between Lorgan and Marie, I'm more with Lorgan this time, even though I find a weekly commemoration of Jesus' resurrection sufficient for holidays. Setting aside certain times to focus on events of Jesus' life and ministry is appropriate, provided consciences are not bound.
By the way, I have my own holiday meditation at unclecephas.blogspot.com
The traditional openness of Christianity to syncretism with "pagan" symbolisms demonstrates a posture, with regard to the truth of faith, superior to those of the purists afraid of uncertainty (and therefore afraid of this life and its imperfections). Though the Protestant streams have tended to have more of this Gnostic tendency than the Catholic or Orthodox, the Catholics have not been at times immune -- as when the clergy in Rome made the colossal mistake of opposing, rather than supporting, Jesuit missionary Matteo Ricci whose fruit of years of study and effort in, in effect, "becoming a Chinaman" and becoming close friends with the Emperor's son, may well have resulted in the conversion of the Chinese Empire to Christianity in the 17th century.
I should apologise for an ignorant comment I made earlier. I made a joke about the Christains in Basra. Sorry for being a dumbass.
Hesperado, having lived among Sinophone Christians for a good chunk of my adult life, I disagree that the Roman Church erred in opposing Mateo Ricci's accommodation of the ancestral cult. Then again, I happen to be a primitive, superstitious Reformed Christian (Calvinist to some) who really does believe that God spoke to Moses and all Israel on Sinai and said, "You shall have no other gods before me".
Further, I believe that all of us are steeped in sin from conception (Psalm 51), so it is quite an insult to the eternal, immortal, all-holy God Almighty to give divine honors to men and women who are not only dead, but quite possibly in Hell, too.
Further, when God Himself became flesh for our salvation and offered a one-time, eternal sacrifice on our behalf, what is the point of making offerings to the dead?
Some may accuse me of sounding like a Muslim. Well, maybe Islam gets at least one thing right; and that is that God needs to be taken on his terms, not ones that we make up for him. You see, if missions to Chinese should accommodate ancestor worship, who's to say our missions to Muslims shouldn't accommodate the abuse of women, pederasty, polygamy, insufferable chauvinism, and other sins that pervade that quarter of the world?
Becoming holy involves the recognition that all of us need to change somewhere.
Dear Marie Devine: What are you a Radical Jehova's Witness?