Zamzam made a video quoting Koran verses. Authorities are baffled as to what could have radicalized him! "N.Va. men allegedly tried to join jihadists: Group e-mailed extremists but was rejected, Pakistan says," by Jerry Markon and Shaiq Hussain for the Washington Post, December 11 (thanks to Benedict):
Five men from Northern Virginia who were arrested Tuesday in Pakistan traveled abroad hoping to work with jihadist groups and battle U.S. troops in Afghanistan, Pakistani officials said Thursday.The men contacted extremist organizations, including two with links to al-Qaeda, and proudly told their Pakistani interrogators, "We are here for jihad," said Usman Anwar, the local Pakistani police chief whose officers interrogated the men, all Muslims from the Alexandria area.
Anwar said police recovered jihadist literature, laptop computers and maps of parts of Pakistan when the men were arrested near Lahore. The maps included areas where the Taliban train. The men first made contact with the two extremist organizations by e-mail in August, officials said, but the groups apparently rejected their overtures because they couldn't find people to vouch for them....
The revelations from Pakistan and the mixed signals from U.S. officials add to the intrigue over why five young men, with no apparent history of terrorist ties or activity -- men described by those who know them as devout but not radicalized Muslims -- went overseas without telling their families and became immersed in a complex international terrorism probe.
Their families and spiritual advisers say the men offered no hints that this was coming. "Their parents are saying, we had no idea. The youth director is saying, we had no idea. The mosque is saying, we had no idea," said Ashraf Nubani, an attorney for the ICNA Center, a small, dilapidated mosque in the Alexandria section of Fairfax County where the men met in a youth group and some of them worshiped. "There are two things," Nubani said. "Either they never did these things . . . or they kept this from everyone."
The men, who range in age from 19 to 25, were identified by Pakistani officials and sources close to the case as Umar Chaudhry, Waqar Khan, Ahmad A. Minni, Aman Hassan Yemer and Ramy Zamzam. Chaudhry's father, Khalid, was also arrested in Pakistan and was being questioned, authorities said. The young men all are U.S. citizens, and some were born in the United States.
A Howard dental student
Several sources with direct knowledge of the investigation said that Zamzam, a dental student at Howard University who did well in school and was involved in a much-praised project to raise money to build mosques, is the man in a video the men left behind. Law enforcement officials said the video had jihadist overtones, and a prominent Muslim leader described it as a farewell statement.
The video quotes Koranic verses, cites conflicts between Western and Muslim nations, and shows wartime footage....
Can a muslim be a citizen in a kuffar country? Where do the loyalties of Muslims lie? Do they support the ummah or the country where they just happen to be living?
Inquiring minds what to know.
Inquiring minds also want to know if the United States government will revoke their citizenship and deny re-entry. This obviously the only sane and rational thing to do.
These lecherous, treasonous, in-bred carpet munchers have professed their loyalty -- the Ummah. They don't belong here!
(But, cue the wails and complaints and outrages from CAIR, ISNA, ICNA, and all of those other alphabet groups.)
Good, gawd! Time is well past to get tough with is-lame.
"Their parents are saying, we had no idea. The youth director is saying, we had no idea. The mosque is saying, we had no idea," said Ashraf Nubani, an attorney for the ICNA Center..."There are two things," Nubani said. "Either they never did these things . . . or they kept this from everyone."
Uh, there IS a third option...taqqiya. Side note: The parents, the youth director, the mosque - they are pulling out all stops on "shock & surprise" express for this one. Perhaps they are starting to sense that people are becoming a bit incredulous.
A distinction without a difference: "... men described by those who know them as devout but not radicalized Muslims."
"Their parents are saying, we had no idea. The youth director is saying, we had no idea. The mosque is saying, we had no idea," said Ashraf Nubani, an attorney for the ICNA Center..."There are two things," Nubani said. "Either they never did these things . . . or they kept this from everyone."
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"Either they never did these things"—in other words, "the Kufr are lying".
Strange, that—coming from an attorney for the ICNA (Islamic Circle of North America". What does the ICNA stand for? Here's some background:
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6380
"Experts have long documented the organization's ties to Islamic terrorist groups. Yehudit Barsky, a terrorism expert at the American Jewish Committee, has said that ICNA "is composed of members of Jamaat e-Islami, a Pakistani Islamic radical organization similar to the Muslim Brotherhood that helped to establish the Taliban." (Pakistani newspapers have reported that Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, a leading architect of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, was offered refuge in the home of Jamaat e-Islami's leader, Ahmed Quddoos.)
How much you want to bet that if they were on the border of India, we wouldn't have heard ANYTHING from I.B.A Pooper or ICNA or the family....they would have been too busy celebrating the explosions and deaths of innocent infidels rfor the sake of their moongod.
I'm locked n' loaded ready for any threat foreign or domestic, while singing this song the whole time...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymLJz3N8ayI
the common link we all know is islam! these pious muslims need to be tried for treason when brought back to the U.S. so many apparently stupid muslims abound when one of their own gets caught in the islamic net.
Ashraf Nubani, an attorney for the ICNA Center..."There are two things," Nubani said. "Either they never did these things . . . or they kept this from everyone."
....No, Ashraf, there is a third probability. The parents, the youth director and the mosque knew full well and are lying to protect their children and/or fellow congregants.
And American Dhimmis are also saying: "We had no idea"-- what is this? The new buzz word comment to divert from the truth?
No doubt they had no idea that the Quran has around 164 jihadist versus among the 114 surahs.
To our dhimmi Americans:
. But way to many dhimmis' are so entrenched in the political correct ideology that they dare not venture into the real source that most certainly drove these 5 jihadists just like Major Nidal Hasan to go jihad and that is precisely what it is and will continue to be as more and more cases unravel before our eyes. But of course we would not have been able to reach such conclusions had we not taken a little time to open a certain book. That book is of course the Qu'ran itself, and copies of it can be easily obtained at any Barnes & Noble.
The Qu'ran has approximately 164 versus among its 114 surahs that call for Muslims to commit jihad against the infidels,the kaffirs(dogs)the non Muslims,Oh and by the way that is you in me. These jihadist versus are very graphic in how to kill the infidels, and they are particularly egregious towards Jews (antisemitism).
Usually we define people like Major Hasan or these 5 wanna be jihadists as radicals, but how radical are their behaviors is certainly debatable since all Muslim are required to live by the teachings of the Qu'ran and the words of their prophet Mohamed are considered pure for all time and thus cannot be changed. And so for nearly 1,400 years Muslims have been required to live by the example of their prophet Mohamed.
I'm going to make it a little more simple for the dhimmi world out there, if you really want to have some understanding of what drove these 5 jihadists from Alexandria Virginia and Major Nidal Hasan who also spent some time there?? to commit his jihad.Many experts on Islam will recommend " The Koran with parallel Arabic Text" by N.J. Dawood.
A site that may serve you well in looking up these 164 jihadist versus among the surahs is to befound here; tab down to the versus among the 114 surahs that Muslims adhere to in there fundamental faith.
http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Themes/jihad_passages.html
The more time you spend reading about these practices, you will clearly began to see an emerging pattern that has been playing out all over the world from the Philippines, to Africa,India Thailand, Britain,Spain, America and a host numerous other countries. There have been over 14,000 documented terrorist attacks committed under the doctrine of Islamic jihad by Muslims since 9-11 and yet to many of us fail to take a very small time to read and head these jihadist versus that drive them.
The next time you hear about an attack, you will be more prepared in being aware of what the source was instead of trying to depend on media sources who are locked into the blindness that is the perversion of political correctness, and multiculturalism,clearly our achilles tendon.
The suspects said, "we are here for jihad"! The MSM cannot quote them literally; that would be islamophobic! NBC Nightly News translated that as "holy war". I thought "jihad" meant "inner spiritual struggle"!
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"..Zamzam, a dental student at Howard University who did well in school..."
Will he plead insanity in US court? Let's see:
1. He was anxious due to poor grades? No, that won't work.
2. He was angry that he was oppressed and discriminated against; he had no professional education or career opportunities? I don't think a jury will by that.
Why this trend of Doctors joining jihad?
The suspects said, "we are here for jihad"! The MSM cannot quote them literally; that would be islamophobic! NBC Nightly News translated that as "holy war". I thought "jihad" meant "inner spiritual struggle"!
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"..Zamzam, a dental student at Howard University who did well in school..."
Will he plead insanity in US court? Let's see:
1. He was anxious due to poor grades? No, that won't work.
2. He was angry that he was oppressed and discriminated against; he had no professional education or career opportunities? I don't think a jury will by that.
Why this trend of Doctors joining jihad?
Hey Pakistan, we don't want them back...you keep them!!
Echoing pulsar182, here for jihad? Yeah, well stay there. Ah, I'm so sick of the word "jihad." It's an ugly word, just as "Allahu akbar" is an ugly phrase and "Mohammed" is a butt ugly name. Islam must be both mocked and crushed. There is no alternative because between Islam and liberty there can be no co-existence.
they could not even attain the rank of cannon fodder for the jihad......how sad
"...with no apparent history of terrorist ties or activity -- men described by those who know them as devout but not radicalized Muslims..."
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I still shake my head in disbelief when these phrases are used to describe apparently peaceful individuals. It is a matter of documented truth in the Qur’ân, the Sunnah, and the Ahadeeth that there is no difference between a "devout" Muslim and a "radicalized" Muslim, except possibly for the style or manner of killing non-believers.
"Their families and spiritual advisers say the men offered no hints that this was coming. 'Their parents are saying, we had no idea. The youth director is saying, we had no idea. The mosque is saying, we had no idea..."
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".........Nobody here but us chickens!"
"Why this trend of Doctors joining jihad?"
What about when they take the jihad to the operating table or examination room? They would have to hide their actions or inactions as the case may be to the extent that they could be sued for malpractice but as an infidel one would really need to question just how enthusiastic a Muslim doctor would be in wanting you to get better. "Oh well, we did everything we could for him, too bad he had to die..." One less infidel, one more credit in Allahland for the jihadi doctor.
The men contacted extremist organizations, including two with links to al-Qaeda, and proudly told their Pakistani interrogators, "We are here for jihad,"
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Jihad? Jihad is not Islamic! What are you, some kind of ignorant, bigoted Islamophobe!!
Odd how the Coptic Christians in Egypt aren’t going on Jihad.
Odd how the Catholics of the Philippines aren’t going on Jihad.
Odd how the Buddhists of Southern Thailand are going on Jihad.
Whatever could be the main difference between these religions??
Hmmm…
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 44:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
A man came to Allah's Apostle and said, "Instruct me as to such a deed as equals Jihad (in reward)." He replied, "I do not find such a deed." Then he added, "Can you, while the Muslim fighter is in the battle-field, enter your mosque to perform prayers without cease and fast and never break your fast?" The man said, "But who can do that?" Abu- Huraira added, "The Mujahid (i.e. Muslim fighter) is rewarded even for the footsteps of his horse while it wanders bout (for grazing) tied in a long rope."
Quran, 9:29
Fight against such of those to whom the Scriptures were given as believe neither in God nor the Last Day, who do not forbid what God and His Apostle have forbidden, and who do not embrace the true Faith, until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued.
Slight correction from above -- meant to read -- Odd how the Buhddhists of Southern Thailand AREN'T going on Jihad.
Dang straight hell no.
While here I'll take the time to wish everyone out there much peace and a very Merry Christmas. Cheers and all the best
Uh, well you don't have enough experience for this position, we'll have to offer it to the best qualified terrorist. And work on those references, too...
I think I know what happened. Khalid Chaudhry was bringing his son & friends to see his old neighborhood & meet his old pals, the taliban. When they got there, the Pakistani police were in the exact same place as the taliban last time the old man was there! Go figure! What are the odds?
"...no apparent history of terrorist ties or activity - men described by those who know them as devout but not radicalized Muslims"
Incredible... This has got to be a one-in-a-million coincidence. This is exactly how Malik Nadal Hasan's cousin described the major right after he murdered or maimed & mutilated 45 US soldiers, including a baby.
If I was a US official reading the report on so many parents, friends, counselors & a mosque being clueless, why I might have doubts as to the veracity of rumors surrounding these men going overseas without telling their mummies & becoming immersed in a complex international terrorism probe too!
And that poor lawyer working out of a dilapidated mosque, good for him! He's trying to memorize the two points he will open in court with, if he can remember them that long...
Buddhists in Southern Thailand committing Jihad? I laughed when is saw this. I know this area and situation well. Show me proof of such a claim??? It is more like handfull of "Buddhist" locals fighting to survive in their homeland. They are not imported Jihadists as has been found in Thaland from Bangladesh and Yemen for example.
This part of the world is going through a cleansing operation of all Buddhists, monks and temples are being closed down. Eventually the Thai Government will have to conduct a "Sri Lanka" and cleanse the southern Thai provinces of Muslims to gain this part of their country back. Same with the Phillipines in Mindinao. A full scale military campaign and no ceasefire till the job is done.
Pakistani's in Jihad! Nothing has changed since I was fighting in Bosnia for the Serbs where we captured and killed hundreds of Pakistanis (amongst other ethnic Jihadist/Mujahadeen groups)who were all 18-28 and UK citizens, with good jobs and tertiary education. Not to worry none of these ever made it back home. Funny, the UK GOvernment was warned by Serbia you have all these guys coming over (Through Italy, then Albania and Montenegro)and they did nothing to stem the tide. All the Paki's going to Italy and then NEVER coming back to the UK. it should have raised alarm bells for the Brits.
"Their parents are saying, we had no idea.
They always say that...Isn't there something about jihadi's getting their parents permission to go on a jihad?
It must be poverty and despair that led them to travel to Pakistan to join the jihad.
Article Titled "Muslim leaders vow cyber response to luring youths"
Imam Mahdi Bray of ICNA is concerned about all those Catholic youths joining jihad! See quote below:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/dec/11/muslim-leaders-vow-cyber-response-luring-youths/
--quote--
Muslim leaders said Friday the five American youths arrested in Pakistan for allegedly attempting to join the al Qaeda network were lured through the Internet into embracing terrorist ideology and that they will wage a cyber counterattack.
"This is a wake-up call involving our youths — Muslims and Catholics," Imam Mahdi Bray said outside the Islamic Circle of North American Center, the Northern Virginia mosque in which the men worshipped and participated in youth-group activities. "They see great injustices, and their emotions and passions are stirred, as they should be. … But we are determined not to let religious extremists exploit the vulnerability of our youth through slick, seductive and destructive propaganda on the Internet. We will respond in kind on the Internet. Silence in cyberspace is not an option."
--end quote--
The plot thickens:
Article "Muslims: Youth arrests are wake-up call"
The President of the Dentistry School's student council gave a sermon at the Virginia mosque! Note the emphasis on the Religion of Peace(TM)
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/dec/12/youth-arrests-a-wake-up-call-muslims-say/?page=2
--quote--
In a brief sermon, Mr. Chaudhry, who serves as president of the dentistry school's student council, said: "Muslims have to follow the middle path with no extremes on either side."
[...]
Essam Tellawi, a spokesman for the mosque, said the mosque emphasizes the teachings of the prophet Muhammad, including "moderation, tolerance and peaceful interactions with neighbors."
--end quote--
Mustafa Abu Maryem, the mosque's youth coordinator..."Our focus was community, community, community."Translation - Ummah, Ummah, Ummah.
The Muslims at the mosque the young men attended say "They didn't get the idea of Jihad from us".
yeah, riiiiiiggggghhhht....
Last night, the five jihad wannabees confessed to coming to Pakistan to martyr themselves for Islam, (to kill and be killed for Islam)....Islam...feel the love?...I am glad they chose to do this in Pakistan , not in DC....