In Oslo to pick up his Nobel Peace Prize for Nothing, Obama praises the advances Muslims in America have made since 9/11. And it's true: since 9/11 Muslims in this country have made great strides. They have suffered no widespread "backlash," despite constant media handwringing over the prospect, no discrimination. Americans should be proud of that.
At the same time, American Muslim advocacy groups have been extraordinarily successful in portraying any discussion of the texts and teachings that Islamic jihadists use to justify violence and supremacism, and to make recruits among peaceful Muslims, as "bigoted" and "hateful." This has hamstrung anti-terror efforts, as it has forestalled any thorough examination of the jihad doctrine and ideology by law enforcement officials, and has led them to take many who are not on our side as allies -- including some of those same American Muslim advocacy groups.
"Obama mum on Pakistan arrests; Afghan drawdown date firm," from NECN, December 10 (thanks to James):
(NECN: Oslo, Norway) - Appearing in Oslo after meeting with Norwegian Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg, President Barack Obama declined comment on the arrests of five Americans in Pakistan over possible terrorism links.What he did offer, though, was praise for the contributions of the U.S. Muslim community.
"What has been remarkable over the course of the last eight, nine years since 9/11 is the degree to which America has reaffirmed the extraordinary contributions of the Muslim-American community and how they've been woven into the fabric of our nation in a seamless fashion," the president said.
The five Americans were arrested Wednesday at a house in Sargodha city linked to banned militant organization Jaish-e-Mohammed, Pakistani officers said. On Thursday, Pakistani police said the Americans told investigators they came to the country to take part in "jihad," or holy war.
President Obama cautioned it is important to keep in one's mind the availability of "some of these twisted ideologies" on the internet....
What he did offer, though, was praise for the contributions of the U.S. Muslim community.
Like Fort Hood? Like Somalis living in Nebraska suing their employers for "racism" when not provided with footbaths and breaks for zebibah-making with their snouts facing the giant black Rubik's Cube of Arabia? Like Somali taxi drivers' demands in Minnesota airports that they be exempted from parking rules and laws when they leave their cabs parked anywhere for more black-Rubik's-cube-worshipping? Like CAIR's ton of frivolous lawsuit because of things like a non-penis-possessing mahoundian not being allowed to be in a burqa for her driver's license picture, or someone tugging at one of their mobile-tents?
"some of these twisted ideologies"
Wait, he phrased that incorrectly. It is supposed to be 'the twisted and distorted *interpretation* of these ideologies'.
What he did offer, though, was praise for the contributions of the U.S. Muslim community.
Like Fort Hood? Like Somalis living in Nebraska suing their employers for "racism" when not provided with footbaths and breaks for zebibah-making with their snouts facing the giant black Rubik's Cube of Arabia? Like Somali taxi drivers' demands in Minnesota airports that they be exempted from parking rules and laws when they leave their cabs parked anywhere for more black-Rubik's-cube-worshipping? Like CAIR's ton of frivolous lawsuits because of "hate crimes" like a non-penis-possessing mahoundian not being allowed to be in a burqa for her driver's license picture, or someone tugging at one of their mobile-tents?
I think he loses Middle America when he praises Muslim accomplishments and ability to integrate. It's just cognitive dissonance from what they do hear about Islam in the press and on the internet. Of course, we know what kind of job the press is doing, so for people to get it based on what little they do see is helpful.
(I realize this sounds overly optimistic)
I just mean to say that he isn't fooling really anyone.
Notice how it's the internet's fault. The last bastion of free speech (whether it's speech we like or not). Is he now going to make calls for restriction of speech on the internet again? If he does, chances are, it isn't going to hurt the Islamists' messages.
And yeah, he declines comment on American-based Muslim terrorists, but turns it into an opportunity - no matter how lame - to praise the enemy.
Yeah, I'm starting to really dislike the guy (where I didn't really have an opinion on this unknown before.)
How are these "twisted ideologies"? One would like to know what texts other than the Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira, these "violent extremists" with their "twisted ideologies" rely on? Can CAIR, can Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu, can any group of Muslims or non-Muslim apologists for Islam, the kind of people who regard the symbolic ban on minarets as an act by "bigots," tell us exactly what those "violent extremists" misunderstand in those texts, and what others, the "non-violent" "non-extremists" pursuing Jihad through other means, less likely to attract attention and certainly more effective (deployment of the Money Weapon, campaigns of Da'wa and propaganda, demographic conquest), think those texts, per contra, mean?
Tell us. Be specific. Don't be vague. Don't wave us away, with a world-weary, know-it-all I've-got-your-right-wing-number look. Tell us. We want to know.
What has been remarkable over the course of the last eight, nine years since 9/11 is the degree to which America has reaffirmed the extraordinary contributions of the Muslim-American community and how they've been woven into the fabric of our nation in a seamless fashion...
...walks off podium, addresses press secretary:
BHO: "Are you sure they'll buy this?"
PS: "Most will. And it'll keep the Saudis happy."
BHO: "Good. The last thing we need is for everyone to circle the wagons and stop buying things. That's one of the few things my predecessor got right (referring to Pres. Bush's enjoinder to go about business as usual, or 'go to the mall' after 9/11). And we really have to get this economy back, especially with these poll numbers."
PS: "Exactly. As long as everyone thinks its a few loonies we're dealing with, its just a law enforcement problem. And those don't disrupt economies. It's lunchtime isn't it?"
One waits and waits for Obama to demonstrate, even in his rhetoric, that at long last he's beginning to grasp the nature of Islam. He needs to study, and he needs those around him to study, the texts, and then to grasp the tenets, of Islam. They need to understand that which they do not, and do not want to, understand -- that Islam is firmly based on a division of humanity between Believers and Unbelievers, Muslims and Infidels, and that between the two a permanent state of war (though not necessarily of open warfare) must exist, and that it is the duty of all Muslims to participate, directly or iindirectly, through whatever instruments prove most effective at a particular time and place, in the struggle or Jihad to remove all obstacles to the spread, and then the dominance, of Islam. He needs to understand that all over the Western world, Muslims owe their allegiance not to the nation-states in which they live, but to the Umma, the Community of Believers, and to Islam itself. The true object of worship in Islam is Islam. That is what has to be understood. It is a Total Belief-System. It is attractive to those who like to have their lives completely regulated, and also to acquire the Instant Brotherhood (based on Hostility and Hate for Infidels) that Islam provides. The same kind of people would once, in other circumstances, have become Fascists or Nazis or Communists, and marched around to those outwardly different drummers.
Obama needs to go back, step by step, from his earlier view of Islam. It was a foolish thing, to believe that his experience, as a young boy, from the ages of 6 to 9, at a particular secular moment in the history of the historically most secular, and what's more, non-Arab Muslim country (one that has managed to preserve some of its pre-Islamic holidays, rituals, and memories), at a school in its most cosmopolitan city, Jakarta, a school where Muslim parents allowed or even wanted, their children to be taught by Westerners and did not object to their children attending school with Christians. That entire experience would have been misleading in any case, for what child, aged 6 to 9, understands anything except the cheerful surface of childhood, and cannot see any of the deeper currents that may lie beneath it all -- especially when, for a while, those deeper currents may seem to have been diverted, like the Gulf Stream?
Obama needs to find out, his advisers need to find out, about the doctrine and duty of Jihad, about what it means, and what instruments are being employed, aside from terrorism, to promote the goals of Jihad: the removal of all obstacles to the spread, and then the dominance, of Islam.
Even little children in the Soviet Union, who take part in the meetings and marching-arounds of the Oktobryata (the little Octoberites), before graduating to Komsomol' and then, possibly, if they are lucky, on to membership in the Party, as they recollect in horrified tranquility their own childhoods, recognize how little they understood.
Obama has now come to man's estate. He also happens to be President, the leader -- not merely someone, one hopes, "taking a leadership role" -- of the most powerful Infidel nation, the leader of the West. That West is now imperilled, not so much by terrorism, as by other instruments of Jihad, including deployment of the Money Weapon, carefully-targetted campaigns of Da'wa, and demographic conquest (the very conquest predicted in 1974 by Houari Boumedienne at the U.N., which prediction has been echoed by many others, including Khaddafy and all sorts of unknown-in-the-West Muslim clerics and journalists and political figures and deeply believed in, and looked forward to, by millions of Muslims: the Conquest, without armies, of Europe by Islam.
He's got to get a grip. And if he does, he will find that sending troops to Afghanistan is quite unnecessaary. He will find a way to justify ending the squandering of men, money, materiel, and morale, in Afghanistan, or Af-Pak, as in Iraq. He will turn his attention to all the important ways to conduct this war of self-defense against the Jihad, and above all other ways, the intelligent recognition and exploitation of pre-existing fissures (ethnic, sectarian, economic) within the Camp of Islam, the intelligent use of Defectors from the Army of Islam (who should be deciding what to beam into Muslim lands), and steps taken to minimize the Muslim presence in the West, for that large-scale presence has led, everywhere in the countries of Western Europe, to a situation that is, for the indigenous Infidels, and for other, but non-Muslim, immigrations, more unpleasant, more expensive, and more physically dangerous, than would be the case without such a large-scale Muslim presence.
Or will he, having seen the world for so many years in one way, not be able to rise to a challenge he did not expect, but is there, and to change, by deepening, his grasp of Islam and what it means for its adherents and for us, the intended victims of Jihad.
Hugh, neither Obama nor his advisors will get a grip on the handle of reality. Not now; not by Jan. 2017. In fact, not only are they mentally crippled by the bad philosophy common to their species of authoritarian but also do they have as their "Book of Five Rings" concerning strategy an invidious publication.
See "Changing Course: A New Direction For U.S. Relations With The Muslim World", 2nd printing, c. by Search for Common Ground and the Concensus Building Institute.
www.USMuslimEngagement.org
It so happens that numerous people were involved in creating it, and their names (e.g. M. Albright, D. Armitage, Steven Covey of FranklinCovey, Denis Madden, aux. bishop of Baltimore, and Ingrid Mattson, president of ISNA) appear in the text with helpful biographies.
Obama himself set the tone for the new course with a humourous comment, made at his inauguration, that "to the Muslim world, we seek a new way forward based on....mutual respect."
It makes for fascinating reading.
"extraordinary contributions of the Muslim-American community..." -- BHO
??? What "extraordinary" contributions were those, BHO?
I listened to Obama's Nobel acceptance speech this morning and like everyone here could probably spend all day dissecting it. However, I noted that it didn't contain the usual list of apologies his previous international speeches have had. It was a long speech, and there were aspects of it that surprised me, not the least being that he actually defended the use of American military power in the world since World War II, saying it was this that has kept the peace in the world. He also pointing out the obvious fact that a Gandhi-like pacifist stance, so popular among European Leftist elites, would never have stopped Hitler. But among several egregious factual errors, in regard to his remarks about Islam there were three that stood out. The first was his reference to all the "world's great religions" possessing some form of the Golden Rule. The second was where he repeated that we would be fighting "extremists" in Afghanistan. But of course, so as not to give the wrong impression about why he's ordering the troops to go back in, he also carefully balanced this with references to defending Muslims in Bosnia and Kosovo. And the third was his reference to the Crusades as being unjustified.
Overall, though, I detect a small, perhaps only miniscule, shift in his thinking about America's role in the world away from his previous hard-Left stance that America is responsible for all its ills. Possibly this is a result of being forced to digest actual historical data about the hard realities of the world, perhaps in response to having to deal with practical people in the U.S. military because of his role as CINC. One of the cable commenters mentioned that Obama had been studying George C. Marshall's Nobel acceptance speech, and that his speech bore some structural resemblance to that of Marshall. One can only hope that he also absorbed some of the actual content of Marshall's speech. Now if he would only expand his reading list to include Churchill....
As usual, though, it's hard to evaluate how much of what Obama says reflects his actual thinking, since his words are always so obviously chosen for political effect. But in the end how we judge him will be less for what he says than what he does. It will now be interesting to observe how this speech is received in various places in the world. I don't think it's going to make his Leftist base very happy.
gozan, very funny except for the frightening possibility of it being true.
Obama mum on arrests of American Muslims in Pakistan, praises "Muslim-American community"
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He was also mum on the matter of Maj. Malik Nidal Hasan (the Ft. Hood Jihad massacre), Abdul Hakim Mujahid Muhammad (the Jihad killing of a U.S. Army recruiter in Arkansas), John Allen Muhammad (the Beltway Sniper Jihad shootings), and the numerous "Minnesotans" who returned to Somalia to wage violent Jihad.
Perhaps these weren't the "contributions" of the Muslim-American community he had in mind.
" ... the extraordinary contributions of the Muslim-American community and how they've been woven into the fabric of our nation in a seamless fashion."
What's the difference between the Washington Zoo and the White House?
The zoo has an African lion; the White House has a lyin' African.