One photo that sums up the whole American enterprise in Afghanistan

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Afghan police trainee eats lollipop, Marines search house for explosives.

(Photo thanks to Marisol.)

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  1. says

    One photo that sums up the whole American enterprise in Afghanistan
    ………………..

    Pretty much. The American Marine looks sober, professional, and yet compassionate, while the Afghan “police trainee” sports a malign grin, while *sucking on a lollipop*.

    The article blandly notes: “The experience in Khan Neshin highlights the difficult task facing coalition partners as they work with the Afghan government to dramatically ramp up a police force known for its corruption, drug use, and lack of training.”

    No sh*t.

  2. says

    …they work with the Afghan government to dramatically ramp up a police force known for its corruption, drug use, and lack of training.

    How could it be otherwise? Police are in the law enforcement business. Which laws are the police expected to enforce in Afghanistan? Sharia? If not, a muslim’s loyalties would be torn at best and, at worst, offer direct motivation to subvert rather than aid the process. Also, to a young Afghan man regaled since childhood with stories of the brave mujahideen fighting the soviets with wanton disregard for their own lives, wearing helmets and body armor are beyond ridiculous and merely a sign of infidel weakness, to which licking a lollipop probably seems analogous. The whole thing is a doomed exercise, another case of complete ignorance of the culture and worldview we are dealing with in islamic countries.

  3. says

    This reminds me of the stories by my niece’s husband who had two tours in Afganistan, where within their secure bases they had local Afganistan people working. These locals went nuts over Canadian junkfood, l guess it beat eating their goats.
    on a side note they had to have separate latrines as the locals were not use to sitting down to relieve themselves, and things go real ugly with lack of sanitary toilets. We are dealing with 8th century cultures what do you expect?

  4. says

    “Yes, Infidel, search my cousin’s house for explosives. I’ll wait right here (slurp). Don’t get blown up, ha, ha.”

    — Why we don’t need to waste any more American blood and treasure there, starting ASAP.

  5. says

    I wouldn’t be surprise if he’s just laughing at Americans – what fools we must look like. We don’t fight wars to win or vanquish an enemy, we have to nation build with silly dreams that real democracies can get and stay established in multi-factional Islamic lands where suicide bombers aspire to heavenly virgins. We spend large amounts of blood and treasure for such dreams while dozens of foreign oil companies get to bid on Iraqi oil.

    No wonder they take our lollipops and laugh.

  6. says

    I’m impressed!

    They sure have come a long way.

    Back in 1969 when I was in Afghanistan many policemen didn’t even have shoes. All they had was torn, dirty uniforms and begged for cigarettes.

    So much for “lifting the third world out of poverty”- or should we call it evolution?

  7. says

    You have no idea what I feel when I see that grin on a mohammedean. When I saw that first thing in the morning, I wanted to put my fist through the monitor.

    It’s exactly the same grin that paki was wearing when he was threatening me.

    Oh, you have no idea what kind of feelings the sight of that brings up, and you probably don’t want to.

    Mark my words, that bastard in the picture is going to lead them all into an IED.

  8. says

    Whipping these Afghan-Goofballs into shape before we begin to withdraw appears to be a daunting and rather impossible task.

    I also found this headline which supports the one featured here. Actually, this is one of many I found that support it:

    http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-and-world/la-fg-afghan-surge3-2009dec03,0,3457437.story?page=1

    Excerpt, page two:

    “Afghanistan’s army, which numbers about 95,000, has made some strides in training with concerted assistance from U.S. and other Western instructors. But U.S. military officials say the Afghan army is in far worse shape than Iraq’s was before the U.S. military buildup there. It has had a hard time attracting and retaining qualified soldiers.”

    Hard time attracting and retaining “qualified soldiers”, indeed!

  9. says

    I would just LOOOVE to see a photo of this same US soldier knocking some sense into this lollygagger. Please, as a favor to me, next time punch his lights out for the camera. I mean, such foolin’ around has now put this soldiers life at risk, and I would be PISSED if I had to train this assclown.

    Umm, I submit a ban on all lollies and lollygaggers …JEEZ!

  10. says

    My husband and I were watching a feature the other day on one of the big cable news stations (CNN? FOX?) about US “outreach” to Afghan villages. The US troops were trying to keep an eye out for the Afghan police trainees while they were in the village’so that they wouldn’t steal anything!

    One of the Afghan trainees did manage to elude detection, and emerged carrying a big bucket of corn that he had stolen from the village’s fields. He had the same sort of sh*t-eating grin that the “officer” above has.

    This is what he did while being watched by US troops. God only knows what he and his fellow police would have done if no US troops had been present.

  11. says

    I don’t know if this picture sums up the state of affairs in Afgan. I do know that a picture can have a huge impact on people. Think of the Viet Cong who was shoot in the head by a Viet Nam police lieutenant as I recall. That went around the world and to some extent changed public perception of the war. I don’t think this picture comes to that leave.

    I will say that the culture (aka Islamic & tribal) has everything to do with how well this go in the near future. I don’t see any chance of what the administration is planning. These people have no moral bases to govern themselves except at a tribal level. Afgan is living as a seventh century Arabic culture. Because of the rigidity of Islamic doctrine it can not change. Socially they lie and steal from one another. This occurs man to man, within families, between tribes, rich and poor and powerful and powerless. Without a change at the spiritual level these people will not improve or become what we would consider a nation.

    Gen 16:11-12 And the angel also said, “You are now pregnant and will give birth to a son. You are to name him Ishmael, for the LORD has heard about your misery. This son of yours will be a wild one–free and untamed as a wild donkey! He will be against everyone, and everyone will be against him. Yes, he will live at odds with the rest of his brothers.”

    جنرال 16:11-12 والملاك ØŒ وقال : “أنت الآن حامل وتلد ابنا ØŒ وأنت عن اسمه إسماعيل ØŒ لأن الرب قد سمع عن بك من البؤس ØŒ وهذا ابن لك ستكون واحدة البرية — الخطوط والجامح والحمار الوحشي! وستكون ضد الجميع ØŒ والجميع سيكون ضده. نعم ØŒ وقال انه يعيش على خلاÙ� مع بقية اخوته “.

  12. says

    The very idea of a Moslem cop creeps me out. When one has a belief system as perverted, as criminal, as Islam, should that person be allowed to be a cop, a soldier, a doctor, a nurse, or even a dentist?

    *** 9:3 ***

    Positions of responsibility, of public trust, should not be filled with persons who have openly given themselves to the twin causes irresponsibility and untrustworthiness.

    *** 92:8 ***

    The Cause. The Moslem. The Ummah. The Koran. The Hadiths. The sacralized histories and objective histories. The con game. It’s all so sickening and very dangerous.

  13. says

    … on a side note they had to have separate latrines as the locals were not use to sitting down to relieve themselves, and things go real ugly…

    I heard from a London hotelier that they winced whenever an Arab made a reservation. Trouble was that they didn’t like going in the toilet, so what they did was go ahead and poop on the bathroom tile floor next to the toilet.

    *** 56:33 ***

    Sort of a Moslem Calling Card, so to speak. A little bit of Islamic Heaven right there in the Financial District.

  14. says

    Unbelievable, is this what it takes these days? A picture we know nothing about without any context is supposed to represent the evil Muslim Afghan and the serious (and naive about Islam) US soldier?

    Looks like its working with your fans, next I suggest you post a random smiling Arab with a beard. The caption should read “who we should really be fighting”

  15. says

    What an evil grin – Well, that’s the “religion of pieces” for you. They love mass-murder, indeed, “allah” commands it.

  16. says

    MP11 : Link to non-existant ‘brutal’ video

    “It is a shocking insight into the sectarian violence that is tearing Baghdad apart,” Jonathan Miller reports for Channel Four. “Two journalists – embedded with the First Cavalry division – witnessed suspected insurgents being viciously beaten and abused.”

    I can’t comment on the video as it’s been taken down but some of the ‘brutality’ in the war zone has been laughable. People getting roughed up does not constitute brutal unless you’re a bed-wetting hippie.

    The example I’ll give you is a recent one:

    Ahmed Hashim Abed, whom the military code-named “Objective Amber,” told investigators he was punched by his captors ” and he had the bloody lip to prove it.
    Now, instead of being lauded for bringing to justice a high-value target, three of the SEAL commandos, all enlisted, face assault charges and have retained lawyers.

    We need to agree on what constitutes ‘brutal’, not let bed-wetters who are scared of the noises they hear at night set the standard.

    I am certain my basic training was more brutal than any detainee at Gitmo has faced.

    The U.S. Army needs to ditch the war correspondents and get on with the job. If journalists want to report on a conflict then they have to accept the risks and not rely on protection from the very people they expose and undermine.

  17. says

    Last month, I posted an article by Steve Sailer, discussing the high rate of cosanguinity e.g cousin marriage or more bluntly-inbreeding in the Middle East. You can find the article from 2003 here; http://www.isteve.com/cousin_marriage_conundrum.htm

    As if the problems with Muslim inbreeding, tribalism, and Islam aren’t bad enough, there’s another problem with Afghans-they’ve all been high on heroin from childhood.

    http://www.thestar.com/News/World/article/431302

    “MAZAR-I-SHARIF, AFGHANISTAN–Saliha is a recovering opium addict.

    He’s 4 years old.

    His 10-year-old sister is an addict. His mother is an addict…

    …One patient on the ward, now gone back to his village, was a 6-month-old infant. They are only children. They never made a choice to use opium.

    It was put in their mouths – usually by their mothers – to still them, keep them quiet and docile.

    This is what parents had been instructed to do, by their families, by tribal elders, by well-intentioned but uneducated quacks who believed opium to be the benign cure-all, or at least helpful therapeutic intervention, for everything that ails a person, and so very handy.

    They just didn’t know any better.

    Opium for colic. Opium for labour pains. Opium for women’s troubles. And, routinely, opium as pacifier to soothe a baby fussing, as babies do.”

    If you want more information, just google, ‘Afghanistan+heroin+children’

    And Afghanistan isn’t alone. Both Pakistan and Iran face growing populations of heroin addicts. Although I don’t have the articles at hand, something like 3 million+ of Iranians are heroin addicts. Some of it due to Iran’s proximity to the Afghan heroin trade, the rest due to there being no real escape from the degraded and hopeless societies Islam creates like that of Iran beyond drugs.

  18. says

    -Sorry, I pressed the ‘submit’ button inadvertently-

    My point is that it is abundantly clear that the Middle East is unsalvagable. That between the corrosive hate filled ideology of Islam, illiteracy, tribalism, and a genetically unhealthy population the best thing the West and rest of the world can do is ‘wall off’ Muslims from the rest of the world and let them self-destruct. If the US can prevent the export of Islams’s inbuilt ignorance and hatred, then it will only be a matter of time before Muslims destroy themselves.

    Perhaps the US can institute a Cold War era style-defection program for the few Christians, Jews, non-Muslims, independent women, and gays remaining in the US. The US can’t save everyone but it can offer a metaphorical ‘life-preserver’ for the US equally metaphorical US ‘lifeboat’.

  19. says

    OK guys, clearly I didnt look at the mountains of evidence presented here.

    Its now clear that the Afghan soldier is using taqqiya/kitman (lollipop and smile) while preparing to shoot and rape the naive and cute american soldier.

    Thank you jihadwatchers for showing me the truth.

  20. says

    It is common for the American troops to give candy to the children….it is also common for the Muslim adults to take the candy away from the children and scold them for taking it..

  21. says

    Hey, maybe the guy really is just grinning for the camera for a moment.

    And re the comments on toilets here, most non-Muslims in the Far East use squatting crappers, too.

  22. says

    I guessing that you were never in the military, MP11.

    I was and if I’d have been on patrol and someone was sucking a lollipop instead of attending to business he’d have been picking up his teeth.

    Read the caption, understand that they are in a war zone.

    How much context do you need, dullard?

  23. says

    Look at the next picture, what does it tell you?

    Say you’re on patrol in Helmand and your men are searching a house (routine work). The embedded photographer is snapping pics, meanwhile one of your men says something funny and you crack a smile…

    In some circles the caption would read “US soldier laughs and humiliates defenseless Afghans”

    Its SOP in propaganda and you and I both know this (that is if your story about serving in the military is true).

  24. says

    MP11 : The embedded photographer is snapping pics, meanwhile one of your men says something funny and you crack a smile.

    I was in the British Army, we would not have tolerated an embed.

    In some circles the caption would read “US soldier laughs and humiliates defenseless Afghans”

    You do a great line in fiction. Are you an author for kids books?

    Its SOP in propaganda and you and I both know this (that is if your story about serving in the military is true).

    So now you’re telling me what I know? I know enough that when I’m on active duty in a war zone I’m not cracking jokes. There are better times and places.

  25. says

    Yes, it is normal for a soldier searching a house for explosives to be sucking on a lollipop and grinning. And, this is hardly unique situation. In Iraq and Afghanistan, trainees have turned on their American and British trainers So, your “faux” outrage is pretty laughable. People here really do not take you seriously, due to your all too frequent missteps and absurdities. Also, do you need a refresher on what an ad hominem attack is: appealing to emotions: appealing to people’s emotions and prejudices instead of their ability to think (formal)
    Encarta ® World English Dictionary © & (P) 1998-2005 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

    Criticism of your very defective arguments is not an ad hominem attack. In fact, you engage in that sort of attack yourself: “Looks like its working with your fans, next I suggest you post a random smiling Arab with a beard. The caption should read “who we should really be fighting”‘

    You really do need to think before you post mate.

  26. says

    here’s what I mean

    http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2007/01/26/baghdad_brutality.php

    Thats all this is, a picture with no context, standard propaganda.

    Soldiers are human beings, they chew bubble gum and crack jokes sometimes like anyone else…even if Helmand. What do we have here? an Afghan smiling at the camera and a nameless western soldier. You can make that picture say whatever you want it to say.

    And for your information, the US army is very tolerant of embedded reporters. Just how do you think these pictures are taken?

    btw, try to avoid the ad hominem attacks, stick to the subject/argument without stupid remarks about whoever is arguing with you.

  27. says

    here’s what I mean

    http://www.tompaine.com/articles/2007/01/26/baghdad_brutality.php

    Thats all this is, a picture with no context, standard propaganda.

    Soldiers are human beings, they chew bubble gum and crack jokes sometimes like anyone else…even if Helmand. What do we have here? an Afghan smiling at the camera and a nameless western soldier. You can make that picture say whatever you want it to say.

    And for your information, the US army is very tolerant of embedded reporters. Just how do you think these pictures are taken?

    btw, try to avoid the ad hominem attacks, stick to the subject/argument without stupid remarks (children’s books) about whoever is arguing with you.

  28. says

    Two articles: one a cri de coeur from the British army in Afghanistan, re. Afghan Muslim trainees;

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/most-of-them-were-corrupt-and-stoned-on-opium-1814785.html

    [the link was still working today, 12 December 2009]

    the other a cri de coeur from an American who had been *attempting* to build and fix stuff in Iraq – it’s a classic, I’ve posted it several times here.

    It’s an essay entitled “Life in Iraq Part II: a civilisation of deception”.

    http://antiprotester.blogspot.com/2006/04/life-in-iraq-part-ii-civilization-of.html

    A couple of telling passages from that second article:

    “I never had cause to think about what a powerful concept “Agreement” is until I came to Iraq.

    “Whether some friends agree to meet at a restaurant for lunch, or a supplier agrees to provide 10 truckloads of materials to a jobsite on a specific day, or lease papers are signed on a house, an Agreement gives all parties the incredible power to predict the future. Agreements provide us simple human creatures with the amazing ability to come together and create a shared vision about a future point in time. Then, together as agreed, we can organize and accomplish something towards that point in an otherwise chaotic world fraught with unpredictability.

    “But in the Middle East {more broadly, in dar al Islam – dda}, there is no such thing as an Agreement. Whether a verbal commitment or a look straight in the eye or firm handshake or even a written contract, these things here are worth next to nothing.

    “Rather than organizing or finalizing anything, these acts merely serve as a continuation of the struggle by one party to screw the other party more than they plan on getting screwed themselves.

    ” Accomplishing a given task, taking pride in one’s work, achieving competence, and even basic concepts of economic gain through mutual trade,

    take a far back seat to the massive satisfaction gained by getting something more out of someone else then they get from you.”…

    “The Art of the Deal in Iraq is to figure out, not if someone will try and screw you, but how and when.

    “The focus is always on not getting caught over a barrel by the other guy, and to try to get the other guy over that barrel, using deception, lies, misinformation, lies, misdeeds, lies, and finally, more lies. The Agreement, that poor casualty of the desert sands, is considered to be a first step, not a final arrival, on the long march to screwing the “other guy.”

    I have a horrible feeling that those paragraphs would describe to a T the default conduct of people in Afghanistan.

    Now, Afghans are ethnically completely distinct from Iraqis. Their languages are different. Their pre-Islamic culture/ religion/ etc., was entirely different: the ancestors of today’s Muslim Iraqis were mostly Christian; the ancestors of today’s Muslim ‘Afghans’, were Buddhist, Hindu and animist.

    Yet: the general pattern of behaviour described by the two items I have cited, describing Afghanistan and Iraq respectively – the all-pervasiveness of deception and inability or unwillingness to cooperate with others – is eerily similar.

    All that Afghanistan and Iraq really have in common, is Islam. So seems to me that it’s Islam that’s making them what they are.

    I may add that the Islam-steeped Somali ‘culture’, as described vividly by Ayaan Hirsi Ali in ‘Infidel’, operates according to exactly the same lethal zero-sum paradigm, which necessarily results in everybody leading a miserable life of suspicion and aggression toward *everyone* around them (at bottom, she couldn’t even trust her own *brother* – he pushed her into the pit toilet when she was a child, and instead of being punished for tricking and hurting his little sister, he was admired, while *she* [Ayaan] was berated for having been too trusting). And Somalis are ethno-linguistically quite distinct from either Afghans or the Arab and Kurdish Iraqis, with a pre-Islamic culture that was pure animist African.

    So: it’s not their human ‘stuff’ or the influence of their pre-Islamic cultures, but…ISLAM.

  29. says

    MP11 :btw, try to avoid the ad hominem attacks, stick to the subject/argument without stupid remarks about whoever is arguing with you.

    You don’t make the rules, I’ll continue to answer stupid posts in whatever manner I see fit.