Poll: 75% of Londoners support ban on minarets

"One million Muslims in London"

How did this happen? And what does it mean for the Western world, when one of the great capitals of the West has one million Muslims? Anything? Nothing?

75%??? An encouraging start.

I wish people in general and Europe in particular would see opposition to islamization as the modern equivalent to opposition to Nazism. Too many reverse things and accuse those who oppose Islam of being Nazis themselves. The British were valiant in fighting for truth and right under Churchill. They need to resurrect that spirit.

"One million Muslims in London"

How did this happen? - Hugh

They didn't listen to Enoch Powell, and called him a racist.

Now they are paying for their stupidity and inability and/or refusal to see into the future.

"If you thought Hitler was bad, at least we killed him, but Islam's Hitler rules from the grave and can't be gotten to."

The above is from a comment posted on the above article.

So, how are we going to "kill" Mohamet?

Poll: 75% of Londoners support ban on minarets

The same is true right across Europe.
In France, the newspaper Le Monde carried out a survey: “To hold a referendum like that of Switzerland is a sign of democracy or irresponsibility? 61.5% said it was a sign of democracy, 33.2% said it was irresponsible, to 5.3% no opinion.

L’Express posed another question: If the same referendum was held in France what would you answer? 86% answered yes, against the minarets, 11% no, 2% did not respond.

Le Figaro, which leans to the right: 77% yes to the ban, 23% no.

BFM, a television, reported these results: 75% yes, 25% no.

Radio Montecarlo 83% yes, 17% no; Euronews, which is to the left, 70% yes, 29% no, 1% do not know.

Le Soir in Belgium: 63.2% yes, 34% no; 2.8 without opinion.

In Spain,”Twenty minutes”: 94% yes, 6% no. El Mundo: 79% yes, 21% no (with 25 thousand people surveyed).

In Germany, Die Welt online: 87% yes, 12% no, 2% do not know. In Austria, Die Presse: 54% yes, 46% no. Is the closest of all surveys.

In Italy I have seen only “Leggo” that gives 84.4% to the yes vote; 13.6% no, 2% do not know.

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It is unlikely that Europeans by and large, know the difference between mosques with, or without minarets. What these polls, alogh with the referendum in Switzerland, indicate, is the deep disquiet with Islam in general. Minarets are merely a symbol of that disquiet.

Minarets?
Don't talk to me about minarets

Look at this video of Zakir Naik:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plyS8sIUjmQ

To understand why Muslims can unembarrassedly denounce the Swiss vote banning minarets, and Muslim rulers in Libya and Iran threaten dire consequences for Switzerland if the results of the referendum are followed (as they should be, and promptly), one has to understand how Muslims see their Deen, their faith. It is the one True One, and it must be propagated, and non-Muslims persuaded or inveigled or forced into admitting of its Truth, or if not, then at least to be pushed into a position where, in their daily lives, the humiliation and degradation and physical insecurity will be an obvious sign, to all non-Muslims and Muslims alike, of the rightneess of the Islamic Deen and the wrongness of all other faiths (something of the same can be seen in the justification, in many parts of Western Christendom at different times and with different intensities, of Jews -- see Malcolm Hay, "Europe and the Jews").

And, for Dr. Zakir Naik, and other Muslims less famous, the proof that Islam is true, as true as 2 & 2 = 4, is that Muslims so firmly believe it is true, whereas others do not so fanatically insist that their religion is True. For us, the very idea that we are willing to extend tolerance to all other faiths, willing to discuss Islam and with an extreme willingness to overlook what one might object to in it, and even to allow our uninformed leaders to say the kinds of appallingly treacly and wildly innacurate things that Obama said about Islam -- and gushing on about its "tolerance" -- in Cairo, and that have been said, by others, in equally false terms (Bush, Blair, Brown, many others in the E.U.) -- none of this impresses Muslims, none of it makes them think that they should reciprocate in kind. No, what it does is confirm them in their fanatical faith. Zakir Naik lives safely in India, a country which is largely Hindu. No one interferes with his proselytizing for Islam. Yet it is clear from his amazing and scary rightness that he would, if he could, shut down all Hindu temples, or destroy them, as Muslims did when they ruled in India, and that he would see this as only right, as only just, because Islam is the One True Faith.

Non-Muslims everywhere have to underseand this: if they are unwilling or unable to be sure that what they stand for is not merely different but superior to Islam, and that certainty need not be, though it most certainly can be, about Christianity or another faith called a religion, but could be about, for example, the totality of the achievements made possible, in the West, by -- among other things -- what we call a Judeo-Christian heritage, or at the very least, come out of a world where the suffocating atmosphere of Islam does not crush or limit art, science, individual autonomy, and everything else about which we can show ourselves firmly certain, as certain, or more certain. than Muslims, and at the same time, we can undercut, in a thousand ways, divide and demoralize in a thousand ways, those who, like "Dr." Naik with his comical certainties (how did his Hindu ancestors convert to Islam? Under what conditions?), are aware that Muslims are backward in many ways ("Europe and U.S. can teach us science and technology") but do not realize that all of their political, economic, social, intellectual and moral failures can be linked to, can be explained by, Islam itself.

That is the point that must be understood, and discussed openly, repeatedly, so that even the zakir-naiks will not know what to do, for the overwhelming force and rightness of the argument, presented in a manner both friendly and forthright, but infused with a spirit never yielding, firmly adamant and rhadamanthine, will do wonders. It doesn't take a trillion or three trillion dollars to fight this kind of war (militarily, no invasions or "surges" or nation-buildings are wise -- we need only prevent Muslim acquisition of weapons of mass destruction, or prevent, in the case of Pakistan, the ability to deliver such weaponry -- that is why stopping Iran's nuclear project is so much more important that worrying about what happens in Iraq and Afghanistan trivial), and to sow confusion and doubt among those in the Camp of Islam.

No, we might have saved a few trillion dollars, and be much further along if, for example, Obama -- who likes "dialogue" and "consulting with others" had chosen to consult with others in the Western world, rather than to think he could have a real "dialogue" with Muslims by showing them, or expressing, an entirely false understanding of Islam.

We don't have to continue this policy of waste, confusion, and drift. It just takes knowledge, about how minds on Islam work, and the intelligence to know how to exploit all the fissures, weaknesses, points of entry, into such minds.

I was talking to a friend in Switzerland, and I congratulated him on the courageous decision of the Swiss to ban minarets. I also told him that the vast majority of the people of Europe supported the Swiss. This came as a surprise to him, as the media in Switzerland gave no indication of the widespread European support for the vote by the people of Switzerland.

It is obvious, that the political and media elite in Switzerland are no different from the rest in Europe. They wish to convey the impression to the Swiss, that the Swiss people are isolated, and guilty of “intolerance”, “Islamophobia”, and worse, “racism”, and hoping that a future referendum will reverse the decision.

For some reason, the 21st century has given rise to a political elite in Europe, that actually hates the people it is supposed to represent.

Minarets?
Don't talk to me about minarets

I just want to sleep. Those hypocrite Muslims disturb my sleep every morning at about 5.00 in the morning. They think their religion is the only true religion and they think they have the right to cause noise pollution in a language they themselves do not understand. How can their allah the moon god be so dumb and understand Arabic only.
Idiotic!

It's just a symbolic gesture. Mosques can function perfectly well without minarets. In fact, Saudi Wahhabi mosques don't have minarets, because they're considered bid'a, innovation. But the widespread support for a minaret ban represents the frustration of the common people with the elites' indifference toward and/or complicity with Islamization and the advance of Sharia.

The building of four minarets onto the mosque Masjid al-Haram (surrounding the Ka'aba) in the Eighth Century would seem to belie the descriptive bid'a. Three more minarets were added in the 17th Century, just before the nascence of Wahhabism in the 18th.

During recent renovations to the Ka'aba and to the Masjid al-Haram during the 1980's, four additional minarets were added during the "second Saudi extension."

The "third Saudi extension" ending in 2005 added "further" minarets to the basic structure. All the minarets old and new are the same heighth of 89 meters (292 feet).

While it may be that minarets are only "symbolic," it's also certain from their inclusion on many occasions over the centuries to the Sacred Mosque (Masjid al-Haram) that the symbolism is felt by Muslims to be critical to the practice of their faith and the implementation of Islam's eventual goal of world dominion.

It's also clear from this that the decision of the Swiss people to prohibit more minarets from their country is a critical first step in limiting the politico-ideological intrusion of Islam into their native society. The Swiss are to be lauded for their brave initiative and their bold example to the other western democracies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masjid_al-Haram

Every time I hear church bells on a Sunday morning, I think how beautiful the sound is, and what a shame it will be when they are finally silenced in the name of fairness to Islam.

*** 66:1 ***

Better to have no bells than to have bells alongisde the yells of the Call To Prayer, an awful and ugly thing that has no place in America.

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Look, what is that nonsense about we europeans not knowing the difference between mosques with or with minaretes?

The difference is real and simple: minarets mean starting to touch our balls.The singer - muhazin, means a hard kick in our balls.
Just let them have it, and you will see.

But,dont forget one thing: All those mosques and their minarets will be turned into Churches with their bells in due time.
Just like it was done time and again here in our old Cristian Spain

There are an estimated 1 million Muslims in London.

Who's estimation? This has the reek of islamic inflation about it, just like the 1.2 billion....no, wait, 1.5 billion....hang on, 1.8 billion moslems worldwide.....

Hmmmmm:

2006 Demographics

There were an estimated 7,512,400 official residents in Greater London as of mid-2006.

And:

The largest religious groupings in London are Christian (58.2%), those of no religion (15.8%), Muslim (8.2%), Hindu (4.1%), Jewish (2.1%), and Sikh (1.5%).

So probably more like 616,016. Far short of the million mark but 616,016 too many.

I guess you haven't seen the thousands of published photos of the Grand Mosque in Mecca and the Prophet's Mosque in Medina with those huge, sky-high minarets. And the last time I was in Saudi Arabia every single mosque from the poorest neighborhood to the richest all had minarets. How do you think they do the call to prayer each day?

Hugh wrote

"One million Muslims in London"

How did this happen? And what does it mean for the Western world, when one of the great capitals of the West has one million Muslims? Anything? Nothing?

It means WAR, the clock is ticking.

In India, Islam is perceived as a peaceful religion, just like others. The muslims who act violently are condemned as acting against their religion.

Robert and Hugh are fond of posting 1938 alerts, yet for us here in Britain it's 1641 - the year before the outbreak of the English Civil War.

The minarets issue, and the way the Swiss vote met with approval from all the common folk of Europe, points to an on-going, across-the-board, hardening of attitudes towards Islam. Sadly, in voicing dismay at the outcome of the referendum our political leaders once again fell into line with the Islamists and failed to support this glorious expression of the democratic will of the people. What's even worse, and the thing that makes me truly despair, is to stand by and watch as our spiritual leaders, the heads of our churches and even the Vicar of Christ himself, fail to defend Christian civilisation against the cultural onslaught of Islam.

Brothers and sisters, for all our casual talk of civil conflict, there are many that now regard it as nothing less than inevitable and it's become a common talking point wherever friends meet in the pubs, cafes and restaurants here in Britain. We're polarising with shocking speed. Day by day, attitudes are hardening. A great weight of history rests on the outcome of the general election next summer, and upon the amount of ground gained by the anti-Muslim nationalist parties in that election. How that will affect the country is anyone's guess, but I fear the prospects for peace are bleak. Yesterdays unthinkable has become tomorrows necessity.

Our own governments will not admit the truth, for in truth, they are the cause of the problem. For decades now, their illusory, utopian fantasies of multiculturalism, their abdication of any responsibility to protect our western values, their throwing open of our doors to allow access for the outriders of what has always been an enemy religion, their arrogance that they would never be called to account for their criminal actions, has finally exposed them as morally redundant. While indulging themselves in their sickening games of self-righteous one-upmanship, those Quislings have sold us all down the river. Did they really think they could disregard us? Did they really think we wouldn't have a point of view? They thought they were doing the right thing, but all they've been doing is dragging us all to the edge of a precipice. Does anyone think, seriously, that we can get out of this without a fight?

Many second and third generation Muslims, having been born here, claim British citizenship, yet hold to their ideas about Muslim supremacy. In their eyes they have as much right as anybody to be here, and they will not leave. Yet their hostile ideology makes of them an implacable enemy whose presence cannot be tolerated, so some level of open conflict is almost certainly inevitable. I wish there was some other way. I wish there was some way we could sit down and sort out our differences, but there is no middle ground because this isn't about land or food or money. It's about core values.

We in the west have a particular horror of religious warfare. We've been there before. There's precious little room for negotiation, and even less chance of compromise when you are fighting for your core beliefs, which makes religious confrontations uniquely grim and bitter. However, through no choice of our own this struggle has been thrust upon us, and no matter how earnestly we may desire a peaceful resolution to the problem, we must achieve a safe and secure future for ourselves and our families, and failure will mean the destruction of our very way of life, so our options are limited. In order to ensure the freedom and sovereignty and the continued life of this nation we must set about the removal of Islam from our society and there is little chance that can be achieved without some level of confrontation.

Now I'm not saying the British people should pour out to fight in the streets. I don't need to; for when a society is put under pressure as ours is now, history always provides its own catalyst. It's as inevitable as the sun will rise tomorrow. When and where that catalyst will occur is unknown to me, but it will come.

Minarets:

BAN ALL SOUND BLASTER MINARETS NOW...
before it to late to shut them later...