UK: Hoteliers accused of insulting Muslim received death threats

Ben and Sharon Vogelenzang, sounds pretty Jewish to me. They're only accused, because they're Jewish. Okay, they mantioned something that had to do with Islam, something critisising. But they didn't do anything, they didn't say anything, they were there and that's enough. Europe is despicable.

We are at the sad point where we are pressured to treat Muslims with preference over the general non-muslim community rather than equals for fear of retribution - just as the Quran dictates.

The Vogelenzangs not only suffered the false accusation but they also suffer the vigilante discrimination of The Hospital and the cowardly thuggery of Islamic lackeys.

Count yourself lucky in your daily travels when you can avoid having to directly interact with Muslims for they have nothing positive to add to your being.

fear and intimidation are Islamic staples....

We can only hope that this insane political correctness hypersensitivity that is displayed daily in the UK begans to go the other direction in the US.

Maybe it is a bit to early, but there is one positive thing that has been coming to the surface in the US lately after the murders at Ft Hood By Major Nidal Hasan. There has been a rash of anger directed at the military brass and MSM for ignoring the obvious behavior of Major Hasan and yet those who witnessed his behavior where not willing to come forward for fear of being branded Islamophobes under the the dangerous banner of political correctness.

Some media have in recent weeks been a bit more willing to speak a little more openly about the real source of the threat, namely Islam and its jihadist teachings, CNN and FOX appear to be more open in their discussions on what is the driving force behind jihadism.

Hopefully they will keep it up and not try to take the subject off limits for fear of insulting Muslims and of course their enabler CAIR for propaganda and intimidating lawsuits.

This story reminds me, in a way of the Martyrs of Cordoba. Brave people willing to stand up, and speak the truth at great consequence, while those who should have extolled their sacrifice did not, rather they sided with Islamization.

We should remember the words of Holy Martyr Eulogius, and consider the relative times we live in today.

http://www.orthodoxengland.org.uk/oecordob.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martyrs_of_C%C3%B3rdoba

"The Martyrs of Córdoba were forty-eight Christian martyrs living in the 9th century Muslim-ruled Al-Andalus, in what is now southern Spain; their hagiography describes in detail their executions for capital violations of Muslim law in Al-Andalus. The martyrdoms instanced by Eulogius took place between 851 and 859; with few exceptions, the Christians invited execution by publicly stating their faith/beliefs:"

Feel the love, and peaceful harmony of Al-Andalus .... this is after all the Utopian social model Muslims, and liberals are giving us for our Islamic future.

I don't recall any of this ludicrous kow-towing to Muslims prior to 9/11.

They attacked us and we (the West) submitted. Idiotic PC/MC are destroying our Western civilization.

What these two decent people have had to endure because of a "Waaaaaaah" Muslim is repellent and revolting.

Hey convert Ericka - Mohamet WAS a Warlord.

since this couple won the case maybe they should sue the muslima for the c**p she put them though and the lose of bisness

Well, if anyone's planning a trip to Liverpool, you know where to stay ..

Islam and death threats go hand 'n hand ...it's like a marriage made in hell.

Down_with_the_oic |POSTED:
"since this couple won the case maybe they should sue the muslima for the c**p she put them though and the lose of bisness"

Could not agree more.
In fact the case being filed would put a SPOTLIGHT on how Great Britain is SUBMITTING.
These people DESERVE NOT ONLY DAMAGES, but their Hotel SHOULD BE Full every night.
That would be a good first step in the British finally saying NO MORE SUBMISSION!
However ,after watching that SHAMEFULL video of the London Police RUNNING AWAY from an Islamic mob just a few days ago,
I'm afraid Britain is in deeper $#!= than they ever were in their History,and this time it's beyond the RAF to save them..

The couple said they have been "living a nightmare" since they were charged in July with a "religiously-aggravated" offence of causing harassment, alarm or distress.
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I don't suppose any of these purveyors of *death threats* will be charged with "causing harassment, alarm or distress". No, I didn't think so.

I do feel for that couple. Also, I agree with another poster who stated that Moslems are being given a privileged status in the United Kingdom. Also, I think some reporters should confront that local hospital's management about their referral practices. Are they allowed to engage in religious tests when giving such advice?

Indeed ...Muhammad WAS a warlord, but Muslims are afraid to acknowledge this fact for fear of being murdered by one of their own. Hey, I would rather die for speaking the Truth than to live a lie.

Another article I saw on this referred to the fact that the police pursued the Muslims' complaint with particular enthusiasm. I wonder why that would be? (I mean I really *do* wonder...). Why would they feel the need to pursue such a thing with "particular" enthusiasm. And I wonder what would happen if there were a case brought against any Muslims for hate speech that they spewed. I know, for we saw with the thugs outside the place Geert Wilders was staying, who were openly calling for his murder: the police did NOTHING...

OT and I apologize if this was already posted, but I saw this on frontpage. http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/2291.htm

"Antisemitic Hamas TV Cartoon Portrays Stereotypical Jews, While Accusing Israeli Education System of Racism."

A portion of the transcript:
"Ghassan: The Jews teach their children to slaughter, to destroy, to kill, and to shoot, whereas our children are taught friendship, loyalty, as well as the Islamic religion, and memorizing the Koran. Our children are taught not to steal and not to lie."

Just let the ultra ironic hypocrisy sink in. These are the same costumed freaks who tell kids to kill Jews, but no it's those JEWS who are spreading hate.

I love the awkward improv at the end

"Nassur: Can you remember a day in which you were sad and you cried?

Saraa Barhoum: For example, when somebody dear to you died.

Ghassan: When my father beat me.

Saraa Barhoum (laughing): Well, everybody... Obviously, your father wanted to teach you something.

Nassur: Did he beat you only once?

Ghassan: No, a lot.

Saraa Barhoum: Because he wanted to teach you manners and... If you made a mistake, you need to do better next time. "

I feel sorry for this kid. Of course, the only thing they can do is say "you must have deserved it" because Islam can do no wrong(sm)! I fear this kid was probably beaten when he got home.

"Christianity has been demoted by the political class"

(by Theodore Dalrymple) -

http://www.express.co.uk/ourcomments/view/145370/Christianity-has-been-demoted-by-the-political-class

We have an apartment that we rent out to tourists and are very aware of this type of legal jihad, especially as we have left a large selection of books for our guests. The books include titles by Robert Spencer and Bat Ye'or.

We screen our guests as best we can before they come with references to the excellent charcuteries and wines in our area but I guess this kind of legal case could happen to anyone.

epistemology

"Ben and Sharon Vogelenzang, sounds pretty Jewish to me."

Actually NO - they are Christians and were given financial support by a Christian organisation.
I think this particular case was what Robert calls a "probe".

This awful convert only donned her desert garb on the LAST day of a one month stay. She just must have known,after a month, that the Vogelenzangs were Christians and this was a deliberate provocation with the hope of significant compensation. Been done before and unfortunately the UK lawyers have happily followed their US counterparts in advancing the "compensation culture". Fortunately, in this case, we saw a SENSIBLE judge who rejected it. Unfortunately they are now few and far between.
Totally agree with other commentators that the Vogelensangs should now sue for damages

this case finally thrown out, thank goodness
(another) example of manipulation and deceit.
" " " " of death threats or violence.
i live in the uk, examples this type of scenario happen almost daily.

All JW readers just HAVE to listen in to this.

derbyshire bbc 5live 8th Dec,
(on bbc iplayer)just skip straight through to 20 mins before the end.
PREVENT(extremism/radicalisation)SCHEME. Wakefield.
even our host is confused :-D...you will be too!
the ineptitude, is just unfathomable

responses, like the laughable PREVENT scheme, so mis-directed, throwing money,(millions£s) at a system, that is so pc it won t even acknowledge, the neccessity to question what radicalises muslims.

One of the worst aspects of this case is the misapplication of laws passed to control or prevent violent civil disorder. Which were used in this case. Instead of using the law as it was intended and applying it against some of the organised thuggery and intimidation in Britain, much of it by Muslims, they go and do this! The case should never have been brought, or it should have been thrown out on the grounds of inapplicability to this law.

In the same week this happened, just to illustrate the point, a woman and her daughter with learning difficulties who had been publicly tormented by bullies on a housing estate for four years were driven to their deaths, despite over 30 appeals to the police for help. Nothing was done. Google Fiona Pilkington for more.

Compare and contrast the police response in these two cases.

What's the matter with that "local hospital". They should have ignored such a silly court case.

THE UGLY FACE OF ISLAM

Although many modern Muslims, groomed with the Western secular education, readily brag about how Islam recognizes Christianity (Judaism, too) as a great religion, yet these dishonest hypocrites hide a number of verses in the Koran that are demeaning, hateful and even violence-inciting towards Christians and Jews. Here they are:

1. Jews and Christians believe in idols and false deities.. 4:51

2. "Those (Christians and Jews) are they whom Allah hath cursed." 4:52

3. Allah has stirred up enmity and hatred among Christians. 5:14

4. Jews and Christians are losers. 5:53

5. Christians will be burned in the Fire. 5:72

6. Christians are wrong about the Trinity. For that they will have a painful doom. 5:73

7. Don't choose Jews, Christians, or disbelievers as guardians. 5:57

8. Don't take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, then Allah will consider you to be one of them. 5:51

9. Christians and Jews are perverse. Allah himself fights against them. 9:30

10. Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to the rich and greedy Christian monks and Jewish rabbis. 9:34

11. Jews and Christians are evil-livers. 5:59

12. Evil is the handiwork of the Jewish rabbis and Christian priests. 5:63

13. Christians and Jews must believe what Allah has revealed to Muhammad or Allah will turn them into apes, as he did the Sabbath-breakers. 4:47

14. Fight against Christians and Jews "until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low." 9:29

Although there is a kind of recognition of Christianity (Judaism, too), being a religion of the same God, in Islam - the ultimate message in Islam is that 'Christianity is old and obsolete'. Islam is the finalized version of the religion of the same God, which all people of the world, including the Christian and Jews, must follow.

The old and obsolete Christianity is now a symbol of evil, Christians are evil people, Allah has cursed them and hellfire will be their eternal abode hereafter. However, Christians do not have a choice for them to make the hellfire their eternal abode and live in peace in this world. They must follow the finalized religion of Allah or else Allah will, without failure, turned them into apes:

[Quran 4:47] O ye unto whom (Christian & Jews) the Scripture hath been given! Believe in what We have revealed confirming that which ye possess, before We destroy your countenances so as to confound them, or curse them as We cursed the Sabbath-breakers (of old time). The commandment of Allah is always executed.

And again, Allah is just not happy with the punishment of transforming the Christians into apes. He now incite his followers (Muslims) to fight the Christians until they are subdued to a humiliating status (Dhimmi) and pay the poll-tax (Jizya) as punishment for not accepting the command of Allah:

[Quran 9:29] Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture (Christian & Jews) as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.

Conclusion

Whether one is a monotheistic Christian or Jew, or a polytheist or idolater - the ultimate message of Islam is the Islamic Shahada - the central creed of Islam, which says, "There is no God but Allah". Since, Allah is the absolute owner of everything in the Universe, everyone must submit to the final command of Allah, which is Islam - the final, complete and perfect code of life. Any code of life other than the Islamic one is neither approved nor accepted by Allah after sending down Islam. Those must be destroyed by whatsoever means. Muhammad had clearly spelled the verdict of Islam about Christianity as his last wish on his death-bed through his order to exterminate the Jews and Christian from the Arabia. And the command was religiously and ruthlessly pursued.
Christians of today must learn the lesson from history. The Jews of Medina gave Muhammad shelter and support when he arrived there as a refugee with his small band of converts in 622 CE, because Muhammad was preaching a similar monotheistic religion (sister religion). Within 5-6 years, all the Jews of Medina were exterminated by Muhammad through mass slaughter (Quraiza), taking as captives or sending to exile. The Christians of Abyssinia (Ethiopia) gave Muhammad's converts shelter, support and protection when they sought refuge there as voluntary exiles in 615 CE. Here again, the Christian king showed sympathy to the Muslims, because of Muhammad's preaching a monotheistic sister religion, which recognized Christianity. And in time, Muslims turned the entire African continent into a giant slave-breeding farm so much so that Africa became synonymous with slavery - the price of which, the Blacks of Sudan (Darfur) are paying even today at the hands of the Arab militias.

For the Christians of the West, there is a history from which serious lessons must be learned. The Koran available in libraries and shops and the message is very clear: Submit to the command of Allah (Islam) or else! And of course, there are living lessons to learn from Christians living in Muslim countries like Egypt, Pakistan or Saudi Arabia where Christians live in complete subjugation as demanded in the Koran [Q 9:29].

There are only ~3% Muslims in Britain but their message to the Christian was made clear in the sermon of a prayer imam in Bradford (UK) who rejected all Gods other than Allah and termed the Christian doctrine of the Trinity as "an extreme and absurd example of false divination of humans". He termed Britain a "sick and divided nation" and only the imposition of Islam can heal. "The implementation of Islam as a complete code of life cannot be limited to the home and personal relationships. It is to be sought and achieved in the society as a whole". Government must be brought into line with what is appropriate for an Islamic state, not a secular state. Every Muslim must "extend the sphere of Islamic influence in the world."

[Ibn Warraq, Why I am not a Muslim, p353]

These are indeed the messages of the Koran. Allah himself says, "The commandment of Allah is always executed" [Q 4:47]. History tells us that his earthly soldiers (Muslims) have always responded to his commands with unfailing convictions. The lesson, signs and messages are all there to learn from. Those, who do not learn, do not deserve a respectable living. Islam (Koran) has promised the Christians of the world, a life of humiliation and dhimmitude [9:29], even if the Prophet's death-wish of outright extermination is ignored.

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The Muslim CONVERT who complained has now said she did not want it to go to Court . An obvious LIE as a Court case cannot proceed if she did not press charges. But then thats what Muslims do so well LIE.

Also the Chief driving force for the Merseyside Police who the Muslim LIAR said pushed her in to the Court was the local Gay/Lesbian/Transgender representative Detective Constable Tracy O’Hara the officer who played a leading role in the prosecution for the unusual crime of religiously aggravated harassment and took charge of their interrogation, is a leading light in the Merseyside Police Gay And Lesbian Support Network.

How strange that BOTH of these types wants to bash Christians .............NOT.

People, do you realize that Hussein brought up the Crusades when defending Islam in the Nobel speech?:

"[W]e see it in the way that religion is used to justify the murder of innocents by those who have distorted and defiled the great religion of Islam, and who attacked my country from Afghanistan. These extremists are not the first to kill in the name of God; the cruelties of the Crusades are amply recorded."

Only a Muslim would do that. The Crusades! He brings up the Crusades! I believe that's unheard of prior to Hussein the Mohammedan. And, of course, he disparages the Crusades! If this doesn't convince people that Hussein is a Muslim then I don't know what.

bewick-
I agree with you that this was a set-up confrontation. She played her Kaffirs like Jasha Haifitz played the fiddle.

"She just must have known,after a month, that the Vogelenzangs were Christians and this was a deliberate provocation with the hope of significant compensation. Been done before and unfortunately the UK lawyers have happily followed their US counterparts in advancing the "compensation culture". - bewick

It that were only the case. No, the Vogelenzangs were criminally charged and faced prison and/or some pretty stiff fines. If there was a financial incentive for Tazi it was probably to get out of paying her hotel bill.

The England that Rupert Brooke fought for in WW1, elucidated in his sonnet, "The Soldier," no longer exists:

The Soldier

If I should die, think only this of me:
That there's some corner of a foreign field
That is for ever England. There shall be
In that rich earth a richer dust concealed;
A dust whom England bore, shaped, made aware,
Gave, once, her flowers to love, her ways to roam,
A body of England's, breathing English air,
Washed by the rivers, blest by suns of home.

And think, this heart, all evil shed away,
A pulse in the eternal mind, no less
Gives somewhere back the thoughts by England given;
Her sights and sounds; dreams happy as her day;
And laughter, learnt of friends; and gentleness,
In hearts at peace, under an English heaven. (1915)

England is now a Mohammedan hell. Less than 100 years for that to be accomplished.

MOHAMMEDAN HELL ,, YES,, SO WORLD LEARN FROM THIS STOP EMIGRATION FOR 20 YEARS TO YOUR COUNTRIES,, AND REMEMBER THESE FAMOUS WORDS AND APPLY THEM TO THIS (HELL).. Give not that which is holy unto the dogs,,neither cast your pearls to these swine, because they will take them and trample them under their feet,, and then turn and stab you with all their hatred for all that is true and right and good, never give into these bigoted haters of everything that doesnt fit snugly in to their small minds. Remmeber a closed mind has no respect for others oppinion.

Darcy:

A minor point of contention: I have heard people who weren't Muslims mention the Crusades before. They have something in common with Muslims though, and that is that they are Stalinist, authoritarian, dictator- and mass-murderer-worshiping spoiled petulant children who are too ignorant historically to realize what America has done for them and the world, and who want to overthrow the current system which has led to unprecedented freedom and prosperity.

But they're not Muslims. They merely aid and abet Muslims and contribute greatly to the enormous problem we're going to have in dealing with Islam as the political heir to Fascism and Communism. They side with political Islam because they see a victim of and an ally against the dreadest villain of all time: Capitalism.

But they're not Muslims. Answering to the description above does not make Hussein a mohamedan.

darcy,

The entire West, with the exception of a small minority, has believed for at least the last 50 years that the Crusades were evil. That belief is just one small part of the wonderful mosaic of PC MC that has become dominant and mainstream. It's one small but important part of the tedious litany of evils of which the white West is guilty and over which in various ways it regularly renews its shame: the Crusades, the Inquisition, witch-burnings, the slave trade, the "genocide" of the American Indians, the internment of Japanese-Americans, Hiroshima & Nagasaki, lack of civil rights until the 60s, McCarthy's "witch hunts", Vietnam, the CIA's evil "meddling" in the Third World; and, for the more Leftish among the PC MCs, we can add Nixon, Reagan, Bush, evangelical Christians, abortion clinic bombings, Zionist "apartheid" Israel, the invasion of Iraq -- etc. etc. ad nauseam.

Obama's mention of the Crusades in his speech thus was substantively unremarkable. Although of course his insertion of it in such a conspicuously influential context is significant, the larger context of PC MC is the problem because it gives Obama a degree of traction he wouldn't otherwise enjoy.

I say we open up a bettering pool, on whether or not Obama comes out publicly and announces he's a Muslim once and for all, before the next US presidential election.

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As long as Britain's defacto political correctness exist, islam will win, just as the Fascists did in Germany and Italy in the 1930's. This is a new low for Britain. Citizens of Britain, this is your country. Take it back or lose it.

Avraidire, I like your site! My high school French is very rusty but your videos say it all. Good on you.

Imagine just for one moment... You grew up in a country that was traditionally governed by Judeo-Christian values. Thirty years ago, terror attacks on your own soil were unheard of. Today, you have to look over your shoulder because you have received death threats from an evil ideology called islam. What's worst, the police ignore your concerns. How does that make you feel?

Avraidire, tres bien, mon ami!

I cannot, for the life of me, understand how people can be persecuted for making critique of Islam. It is a basically political ideology that cloaks itself in religion in order to sell and preserve its capacity for growth. It uses the "I come in peace" deception like the evil alien of Sci Fi and then sucks the blood out of a culture through means of intimidation and terrorism. It is an "evil cult" set upon this earth by an evil entity, whether it was by a psychopathic madman, or whether he was posessed by an evil being himself. But 100% religion it is not and we have every right to criticize it for its political and legal tenets.
If one has the right lawyer it should stand up in any court of law except shari'a court.

I feel for these people and I hope they are reading these messages.
FIGHT THE POLITICAL ASPECTS OF ISLAM! That is no more discrimination than criticizing Nazism, State Shinto (a.k.a. the Imperial Empire of Japan during WWII )or Stalinist and Maoist Communism. Even Environmentalism is becoming a religion of sorts. Soon the UN may outlaw us for criticizing Climate Change, who knows.

This has gone way to far.