It's too bad, isn't it, that all the self-righteous self-proclaimed Muslim moderates who spend so much time trying to show that what this site says about Islam is wrong don't spend any time at all trying to convince Muslims who somehow get the crazy idea that Islam teaches violence and supremacism that they're getting their peaceful religion all wrong, wrong wrong.
"Briton guilty of plotting 'deadly terror attack,'" from the BBC, December 9 (thanks to Romney):
A British Muslim has been convicted of conspiring to murder civilians in a "deadly terrorist attack".Adam Khatib, 22, a factory worker from Walthamstow, east London, was part of a terror cell run from Pakistan.
The cell was led by Abdullah Ahmed Ali convicted of plotting to blow up transatlantic passenger airliners.
Co-defendant Nabeel Hussain was found guilty of engaging in preparing terror acts and Shamin Uddin was convicted of possessing terror items, namely a CD....
Prosecutor Peter Wright QC said: "Khatib may not have been informed of the ultimate target, namely passenger aircraft... all that was required of him was an agreement to play his part in bringing about the murder of others."
The court heard that Khatib had became fascinated by radical Islam as a teenager.
Signing one of his school assignments "Adam Osama Bin Laden," Khatib became a cause for concern to teachers worried about his increasingly extreme views, including anti-Semitic outbursts in the classroom....
Though it is not known what the two did during their time in Pakistan, Mr Wright told Woolwich Crown Court: "They may have been home-grown but the direction of these young men came from Pakistan."
Maybe. But it certainly came from the Qur'an and Sunnah. Of course, Mr. Wright would never wish to say anything about that: it could get him charges of "Islamophobia."
O/T - just heard that the Christian couple running a hotel in Liverpool, UK who were taken to court for insulting a Muslim have had the case dismissed by an non-Dhimmi judge. Praise God!
Yea! insulting Islam is not a crime.
...not a crime ... yet.
... providing "insult" to a Muslim is not a crime ... yet.
STOP Islamization of the world.
Yes there is a God, I sure wish that these muslims would embrace the old saying " when in rome do as the romans do " and quit their whining about being offended in another country due to traditions and other so called religons.. I hope they put up a Huge CHRISTMAS TREE right in the Lobby.. I'm sure the Manager will not be offended when someone calls it a holiday tree..These muslims need to learn to be passive and let things slide now and then.. Instead of their 7th century attitude and throwing their arms around like a pissed off gorilla when they don't like things the way they are. If I go to a place that upsets me..I dont go again, Its that simple..STAY HOME..lol
Yes there is a God, I sure wish that these muslims would embrace the old saying " when in rome do as the romans do " and quit their whining about being offended in another country due to traditions and other so called religons.. I hope they put up a Huge CHRISTMAS TREE right in the Lobby.. I'm sure the Manager will not be offended when someone calls it a holiday tree..These muslims need to learn to be passive and let things slide now and then.. Instead of their 7th century attitude and throwing their arms around like a pissed off gorilla when they don't like things the way they are. If I go to a place that upsets me..I dont go again, Its that simple..STAY HOME..lol
Mrs J -if that is so, that is *excellent* news.
Do please send Mr Spencer the news link if you come across one.
Thanks be to God!
I hope that their hotel gets lots of bookings from British Christians and other members of the Resistance.
'Freedom of speech' victory as Christian hoteliers are CLEARED of insulting Muslim woman as judge slams her evidence:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1234509/Hoteliers-cleared-insulting-Muslim-guest-wearing-hijab-breakfast.html
Regarding the subject of moderate Muslims:
We have some mistaken ideas about these terms 'moderate' and 'extremist'. I think that most of the J.W readership know by now that it is entirely inaccurate to think of the extremists as being extremist or radical. They are not extreme, they are following the pure core teachings of islam and its commandment to jihad. So-called 'radical' or 'extremist' Islam is more correctly nothing more than traditional Islam, a return to the doctrine of jihad documented in Islamic scripture and history.
The jihadis claim to be more devout in their faith than the so-called moderates and, indeed, regard the moderates as non-practising Muslims. Anjem Chaudry, our vey own Islamic supremacist par excellence, tells us there are three types of Muslim - those in jail, those on their way to jail and those who are not practising. So to the jihadis, the great mass of peaceful muslims are relevant only as a source of recruits for warfare. From this large population, all of whom have received their basic Islamic indoctrination in the mosques and madrassas, the jihadis can identify those men and women who are more religiously minded. All it takes is for them to feed an extra dose of Islamic doctrine to these individuals in order to create more jihadis. In other words, it doesn't matter that the large Muslim communities in our countries are peaceful, it is the very presence of these docile masses that threatens our lives and our way of life, because it is from this pool of humanity that the jihadis draw their soldiers.
I have no doubt that most Muslims are indeed peaceful, but I wouldn't be the first to point out that the populations of communist Russia and China also lived perfectly peacefully, yet these states were responsible for the deaths of many millions. The peaceful majority were irrelevant and in no way deflected or restrained the evils carried out in their name. In the same way, the Muslim so-called moderates also render themselves irrelevant because of their silence.
We must not make the mistake of taking the so-called moderates as being politically moderate, as we would understand that to mean, in terms of holding politically moderate views. In Muslim terms these moderates are merely quiescent, passive followers of the same hostile political/religious doctrine which drives their more militant co-religionists. Surveys show that the vast majority of these moderates would still like to convert our countries to Islam and enact Sharia law.
Things are actually much simpler than they may seem, if we just sharpen up our way of thinking. It is more accurate to think of 'extremists' as 'active' and 'moderates' as merely 'inactive' but we must be mindful that we have no way of knowing, or reliably predicting when an inactive may choose to become active. Because of this dynamic, we have no choice but to view all Muslims as potentially dangerous. Indeed, not to do so would be irresponsible and dangerous. This is not our choice, it is not our doing, the responsibility lies with them. We are merely looking at the problem objectively and defending ourselves appropriately.
Rather than regard Islam as a religion, we should see it for what it really is, a hostile political movement dedicated to the overthrow of our society and Muslims are either active or inactive within that political movement. If they are active, they must be neutralised and destroyed. If they are inactive, they are simply irrelevant. But the assertion that most muslims are peaceful does nothing to safeguard our security and is certainly no reassurance that we are in any way safe.
In support of your argument it should be noted that the Muslim female who proclaimed herself so insulted and offended by hearing a few home truths rationally stated by those Christian hotel-keepers in the UK, was not a born-and-bred-in-the-sandbox Muslim of Arab or Indian or Persian or north/ northeast African or Malay ethnicity, not a Fatima or an Aisha, but...*Ericka* Tazi, an ethnically-European, formerly-Catholic recent *convert* to Islam.
She is referred to in the article Mrs J linked, as "Mrs Tazi, who converted to Islam when she married a Muslim 18 months ago".
More details about Mrs Tazi's conversion/ cult initiation:
"The former Roman Catholic from Warrington, who converted to Islam last year, gave evidence after swearing an oath to Allah and kissing the Koran.
She wore a hijab and ankle-length gown in court similar to the outfit she was wearing on the day of the alleged confrontation.
She told the court she had worn Western clothes until the final day of her course {presumably, 'course' = 'indoctrination into Islam' - dda}."
So: what does this newly-minted Muslimah do? Goes right off and starts picking quarrels, playing the victim, acting offended and waging lawfare; in other words, behaving like...a pious Muslim. Her Mohammedan programming is installed and operating.
(We had a similar case in Australia: a woman of Maltese Catholic birth and upbringing, having converted to Islam, produced a quintessentially Muslim howl of discrimination and spew of exaggerated accusations - including the hysterical claim that she felt 'raped' - when a bus driver very properly, as a matter of public security policy, asked her to remove her yashmak before getting on board his bus). And for others, google 'Jihad Sheilas'.
Since new converts to any ideology are often its most enthusiastic exponents - and have often taken more trouble to find out about its basic tenets than those merely born into it - then the antisocial behaviour of so many new converts to Islam, whether it involves plotting jihad or engaging in false/ exaggerated claims of victimhood for purposes of lawfare, is very, very telling.
New converts to Judaism, Buddhism or Christianity don't normally become violent.
New converts to Islam, on the other hand...
Thanks for the reply. Your points regarding new converts are well taken.
As Jihad warfare proceeds against us at all levels within society, including lawfare (Ha! A lovely term) in the case of Mrs Tazi, and press propaganda in the case of your Australian yashmak-martyr, the poor dear, then by my own categorisation both these ladies have gone straight onto the active list.
I have no doubt the ideologists of the jihad would heartily approve of their actions too, because as we know, even if Mrs Tazi's case is laughed out of court and even if all rational Aussies view the de-yashmaked bus passenger's behaviour as hypersensitive borderline nutjob, the real agenda is to foster a fear of, and therefore unwillingness to challenge Muslim behaviours. It's a mind game, but it's by these tiny increments that the jihad against us is advanced.
I feel there's an important lesson for us here. Warfare being waged against us on a cultural level, such as through images and words or through the courts or by demands for preferential treatment is a war of nerves, but being aware of the various different tactics being used against us can only strengthen us. They may mount their attacks at every level of our society, but if we are aware of their true goals, and the methods they employ to achieve them, then the task of opposing them becomes far, far easier.
About moderates and radicals.We have the saying here for our Basque nationalists that
"Ones shake the tree - the terrorists- and others gather the nuts- the nationalists-"
Have you ever tried to argue with a "moderate"? Give me ten radicals, I´d rather discuss with them than with one single of these so called "peaceful moderates of whatever it is, nationalism, religion, or political wing.
As we also say: "Librame del agua mansa, que de la corriente ya me libro yo" = " Help me get rid of the tranquil waters, from the running ones I can take care myself"
I still find it amazing that the "misunderstanders" are those who have actually read the book and take it at its word whereas the "moderate peaceful" Muslims are more often than not functionally illiterate with regard to their scripture. Nonetheless, they can be "saved" by instruction under the guidance of the proper imam.
The difference between a peaceful Muslim or a terrorist
is the same between Vietnamese and Vietcong.
They are bringing the war to us. The do not compromise and the most open minded person is the narrowest minded in the group. They will not stop until we have Sharia Law.
They will begin to implement it when they are in sufficient numbers. First to their people, then to you and you family.
In Denmark they rape young girls if they are unaccompanied, and out of their Burqua. Sharia violations! The non-Muslims must comply! Expect this to begin where you are. The police will not help you.
In the US expect a rapid increase in conceal and carry permits as this activity begins.
Monitor their schools for prayer, then send the ACLU in.
The busier we keep the ACLU, the less they will do to us.
Dennis