There Is No Honor Killing In Islam and Rifqa Bary Is In No Danger Update: "Father found guilty of 'honour killing' of daughter, 15, after she fell in love with man from different branch of Islam," from the Daily Mail, December 17 (thanks to Tziona):
A 'psychotic bully' was today found guilty of the 'honour killing' murder of his teenage daughter almost a decade after she disappeared.Mehmet Goren killed 15-year-old Tulay after she fell in love with a man from a different branch of Islam.
Goren had once tried to gas his whole family to death and on another occasion to inject his wife Hanim with rat poison.
It was Hanim's courage in speaking up against her husband in court after 30 years of torment that helped convict him of their daughter's murder.
Mehmet killed the teenager because of her doomed 'Romeo and Juliet' romance with a man called Halil Una.
She was besotted with him - but to her father the affair made her a 'worthless commodity' because he could not marry her off for £5,000.
On January 7 1999 the part-time fish and chip shop worker told his eight-year-old son Tuncay to kiss Tulay goodbye as he would never see his sister again.
The body of the schoolgirl - who told a friend she may have been pregnant - has never been found.
Police had become involved in the weeks leading up to the murder when Mehmet beat up Mr Unal, then complained about the relationship to officers and demanded his daughter take a virginity test.
Tulay ran away and told them he had beat her, and that she would rather be taken into care than return home, before being persuaded to go back by her mother....
Mehmet attacked his daughter's boyfriend with a hatchet outside an east London pub 13 days after the murder and in hospital Mr Unal reported her missing....
'psychotic bully'
Like prophet like slave.
Police had become involved in the weeks leading up to the murder when Mehmet beat up Mr Unal, then complained about the relationship to officers and demanded his daughter take a virginity test.
A virginity test? I know, I know..I've read about this before. Buts still makes me laugh my a$$ off!
Ignorance...thy name be islam!
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It seems the mother, even though she was spawned in the bile of islam, had retained some degree of her humanity. If she still retains some degree of her soul, she will now become an apostate, and release herself from slavery.
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I think its only fair to try to understand his feelings too. After all he's out 5,000 Quid. That is still a LOT of money while she's 'giving it away' as if it were her's to give.
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Nothing to do with mohammedanism.
Clearly it is just a local British custom.
Sentencing, Mr Justice Bean, said...'The term "honour killing" is a convenient shorthand, but it is a grotesque distortion of language. There is nothing honourable about such a hideous practice or the people who carry it out.'
Truth.
Prosecutor Jonathan Laidlaw QC described the murder as 'truly shocking' and 'a wake up call to the British authorities.'
The phone has been ringing for quite some time now.
Virginity tests can be purchased online for $9.99, donchaknow ...or buy their 2fer for $14.99.
The difference between this and Shakespeare's tragedy is that I don't remember Mr Capulet trying to kill Juliet.
Also, even to the audience at the time, it was considered tragedy. The Muslim audience will consider the only tragedy here to be the fact that the father faces khufr punishment for his act, and that the mother (lowly woman that she is) spoke out against her master.
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Salam,
We have been here before. I can tell you what I did before....the man loved his daughter very much...and he never meant to kill her.
But the poision inhis mind was for the baby growing up inside her, which was not of the tribe...tainting his bloodline for good.
It was the baby that he was trying to get rid of....I just wish they use experts for that , and not try to get rid by himself....they are just in too much rage to carry out a delicate operation like that.
Hope this is a useful explanation to you all.
Yom
Yom, you truly are disgusting.
I'm sure abortion is legal in the UK. If _she_ had made that decision, then it would have been up to _her_, and between herself and perhaps the father, and no one else's business.
"didn't mean to kill her". Piss off, Yom, you're a perfect example of a vile talking ape.
As for the tainted bloodline ....
Ever stop to consider how your evil, foul, vile ideology is tainting our countries?
Or how your co-cultists come to your countries, and trick our women into allowing them to pollute OUR bloodlines?
Piss off back to the desert where you belong, Yom.
Yom is a plant...this jerk is not real.
Peace
Abdullah Mikail
before being persuaded to go back by her mother....
So her mother did speak up, but was also an accomplice. How often have we seen the mother persuading the daughter to come back, only to be killed by the male relatives. Didn't this happen to Amina and Sarah?
"Hope this is a useful explanation to you all."
Very useful, indeed. You 'n AM are both useful idiots 4 Is-slime.
And you're a CAIR taqqiya artist.
Are you two trying to play Good Cop, Bad Cop? If so you're not very good at it.
Yom
Total tripe as usual.
You know perfectly well that girls, indeed anything female, only has a right to life provided they stay pure and reproduce. Any twitch in the male ego and they are killed immediately. After all this poor girl was worth five grand provided she was *fresh meat* - as there was a possible *usage* attached to her, her father got rid of her, she was worse than worthless. Vile, and done with malice aforethought.
Wherever she is I hope that she is at peace.
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Salam Abdullah,
I am as real as you....listen to the folks here, they know we are both muslims.
Our viewpoints differ ...and that is healthy....it shows the Kufr that we are not BORG or Robots that I have read KUfr comment on here so often.
We are the brothers Abdullah....stop denying that can be denied....
Yom
Yom
Talking tripe as usual.
You know perfectly well that girls, in fact anything female only has the right to life provided they stay pure and reproduce. Anything that makes the inadequate male ego twitch results in death for them. This girl was worth five grand provided she was *fresh meat*. Unfortunately, the moment there was any suggestion of *usage* she could not be sold off and, in fact, became worse than worthless. Her father killed her - vile and with malice aforethought.
Wherever she is I hope she is at peace.
Poor child
English
The status of a man in Islamic society is dependent on his ability to control the women in his household.
He does not love them, instead he is intent on possessing them, controlling them and having them obey his every whim. If they do not, under Shariah law, he may kill them without having to pay anyone compensation for their deaths. This is an instruction lifted straight from the Qur'an, I believe the sura is entitled the "Green Man".
"We have been here before."
Yes, and we will be here again and again until the savage is civilized and the blood thirsty religion called Islam will vanish like water poured into the desert sand.
"Tulay ran away and told them he had beat her, and that she would rather be taken into care than return home, before being persuaded to go back by her mother...."
As with the death of Sarah and Amina and so many others, the mother played a crucial role in the murder of her daughter, luring her home so that her husband could commit the dirty deed. Regardless of her eventual cooperation with the Crown, this perfidy must be acknowledged; Islam corrupts even a mother's love.
"We are the brothers Abdullah....stop denying that can be denied...."
...i think i'm gonna cry ..that was sooo heartwarming ...
Cornelius wrote:
"Tulay ran away and told them he had beat her, and that she would rather be taken into care than return home, before being persuaded to go back by her mother...."
As with the death of Sarah and Amina and so many others, the mother played a crucial role in the murder of her daughter, luring her home so that her husband could commit the dirty deed. Regardless of her eventual cooperation with the Crown, this perfidy must be acknowledged; Islam corrupts even a mother's love.
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This struck me as well, Cornelius. Perhaps Tulay's mother did intentionally lure her daughter back home, or perhaps she really was in enough denial to believe—even after all the evidence to the contrary—that her husband would not harm his daughter.
In any case, you are correct—we hear this over and over again in "honor killing" cases—that a more sympathetic family member intentionally or cluelessly induces the victim to return home.
I believe this is a great danger for Rifqa Bary—where her family are not only trying to lull Rifqa herself, but child services and the Ohio courts as well.
From Yom...But the poision inhis mind was for the baby growing up inside her, which was not of the tribe...tainting his bloodline for good.
I can relate to that...The 'poison' in his 'mind' that is...
So the poison in his mind convinced him, that he only wanted to kill the baby, and not the woman...He loved her, but the baby was tainted...I guess that's clear enough...He wanted to be a baby killer...
I wonder how he got poisoned like that? Spider bite? Snakes?
A bad burger?...Or maybe...Naw Allah's got nothing to do with it...Well, not directly anyway...
Yom wants to be Abdullah's buddy, and Abdullah rejects him...Ha ha ...now that's funny...
Graven,
I may be confusing this case with another, but it was my understanding that the mother didn't come forward for years, until the husband had left her for a younger woman. If this is the case, it shows the extent of her moral and ethical turpitude. Others can judge for themselves whether or not this turpitude was a manifestation of her religious beliefs (I personally believe it was).
Even if her culpability was attributable mainly to fear of the husband so long as he was in her life, that fear was was rooted in Islam's pernicious theology mandating the subjugation of women.
Meanwhile, your analogy to the Bary case was astute. We're all hoping and praying that she survives the dhimmified culture and jurisprudence we find ourselves living in.
The MSM, and of course, Islamic interests attempt to relegate the connection between Islam and honor killings.
A thorough report (available free in PDF format) on the situation in Britain is provided here:
"Crimes of the Community: Honour-based violence in the UK"
[Extract from page 39]:
"Honour killings among people of South Asian origin
Summary:
Most of the honour killings known to have occurred in the UK
appear to have been carried out be people of South Asian origin.
Most of these murders are carried out by Muslims from Pakistan
and Bangladesh. Hindus and Sikhs also carry out honour killings
but seemingly at a proportionally lower rate. Although many
– and perhaps most – honour-related murders are carried out
by first-generation immigrants to the UK, an increasing number
also involve people born and raised in Britain. Honour killings
by South Asians occur nationwide. Although there have been
several such killings in towns in the Midlands and the North,
there is little evidence to suggest that such crimes are much more
prevalent there than in London and the South East.
Several of the murders have been carried out by relatively welloff
immigrants who would usually be regarded as 'well-integrated'.
This suggests that lack of education or socio-economic
deprivations do not, in themselves, cause honour killings."
http://www.socialcohesion.co.uk/files/1229624550_1.pdf
re: the virginity test...I studied like hell for that one, but it took three failures before I finally passed!
From Friday:
"...it shows the Kufr..."
Oh, Friday! How can you be so insensitive? How can you say that non-Muslims are "Kufr"? Isn't that something for God to decide? Are you better than the Almighty, that you may judge other human beings?
"We are the brothers Abdullah....stop denying that can be denied...."
Where have we all read this nonsense, before? It reminds me of how a certain Naseem used to beg for validation from the "real" Muslims.
Even pigs and apes are above you in the evolution cycle.
"...after she fell in love with a man from a different branch of Islam."
Falling in love is a good thing ...and we don't often choose whom we fall in love with, right? And it's not like she could help herself. Apparently hating is the accepted emotion within Islam.
Thank you for providing your homicidal rationale for this. You do make Islam very clear in ways you do not perhaps intend.
Actually, I think it is more the rage of a merchant who discovers his merchandise is not as valuable as he thought. There is no love involved here.
Cases like this remind me how stupid we (the UK) were to abolish capital punishment in the 1960s. In addition to freeing the taxpayer from the cost of incarcerating these murdering swine, the 'drop' would send a suitable message to any scum who would repeat such vile crimes.
I can only hope Goren spends the rest of his days rotting behind bars (ideally being forced to be the little bitch for some ordinary decent criminals). But, alas, I fear he'll be out in about a dozen years. So much for 'life' imprisonment.
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I sure hope that Mr. Bary hears about this case. Just maybe he might be cautious.
Hi Yom, I just wish your Father had cut you out of the womb and fed you to some kufr pigs. A fitting end for you so that you could not infect the world with your utter vileness.
Merry Christmas and I hope you don't see another you disgusting piece of filth.
I'm sure this wasn't an honor killing. Muslims don't do honor killings; they aren't "islamic". In fact, according to Rifqa Bary's father, honor killings are unheard of in islam. It was just garden variety domestic violence, which occurs in all cultures and countries. Christians and Jews are far more violent than muslims and islam is a benevolent, peaceful religion that teaches love, respect and tolerance.
Hopefully this will save the politically correct, islamic apologists and muslim liars some time and trouble.
This is strange...The Alevis are the most liberal and progressive sect in Turkey... As you can see in the article, the women do not veil themselves.... The girls are wearing western-style dresses in the wedding photos...
Anyway, Alevis are considered heretics, even by the Turkish governnment which refuses to acknowledge that Turks can be anything but Sunni Muslims...
Alevis don't go to mosques, and don't pray facing Mecca... They have their own lodges called Tekkes where they worship facing each other... They are more spiritual than religious fanatics... This is clearly the case of a crazy, controlling chauvinist father instead of anything inspired by Alevism...
This is strange...The Alevis are the most liberal and progressive sect in Turkey... As you can see in the article, the women do not veil themselves.... The girls are wearing western-style dresses in the wedding photos...
Alevis are considered heretics, even by the Turkish governnment which refuses to acknowledge that Turks can be anything but Sunni Muslims...
Alevis don't go to mosques, and don't pray facing Mecca... They have their own lodges called Tekkes where they worship facing each other... They are more spiritual than religious fanatics... This is clearly the case of a crazy, controlling chauvinist father instead of anything inspired by Alevism...