Villagers forced to watch stoning in Somalia

'Some wanted to delay the execution while the others insisted. They exchanged fire.

But I thought Mahoundians were not supposed to kill each other...Were not the Hizbul Islam fighters 'innocent'...
Islam must be slipping in Somalia...Allah better do something quick before those Somalia jihadists get out of control...

Why so savage, islam? Got peace?

As a student of history, I also know civilization's debt to Islam. It was Islam - at places like Al-Azhar University - that carried the light of learning through so many centuries, paving the way for Europe's Renaissance and Enlightenment. It was innovation in Muslim communities that developed the order of algebra; our magnetic compass and tools of navigation; our mastery of pens and printing; our understanding of how disease spreads and how it can be healed. Islamic culture has given us majestic arches and soaring spires; timeless poetry and cherished music; elegant calligraphy and places of peaceful contemplation. And throughout history, Islam has demonstrated through words and deeds the possibilities of religious tolerance and racial equality.

B. Obama, 06/04/09. Cairo,

Tell it like it is, Barry Baby,

I can't believe they stoned a man for adultery, it is usually the woman who is murdered and the man gets off with flogging.
Savages.

Quite simply, the real face of Islam. And as more and more of this Islamic rot occurs (and it will because so many Muslims can't help being fully Muslim) the entire world will become nauseated by Islam, disgusted by this warped creed. Eventually, even the mention of Islam or Mohammed or the Koran or Sharia will elicit contempt or mockery or both. This is a given. But meanwhile, many will die, many will suffer, many will be abused, before Islam is consigned to one of the darkest corners of man's history. This too is a given.

This barbarism will soon sweep into Europe. Westerners had better steel themselves to rid their culture of the infestation of Islam. It won't be easy; the camel's nose is already inside the tent.

Now every time I correct some facts, I sound like a muslim. This time I should introduce myself first, I'm an ex-muslim living in a muslim country. I don't have any little faith of Islam.

Now facts. Except Iran and Somalia, there's no stoning in muslim countries. Not even in Saudi Arabia. This stoning punishment is not from Quran, it's an alleged hadith. Many in muslim world condemn stoning. It's also rare in Iran and Somalia.

But another fact. Even most of the governments dont' practice stoning, many people commit honor killings. Honor killing is much more bigger problem than the rare stoning.

I knew a Somali taxi driver a few years back. Islam really did a job on the poor guy. All the guilt and the shame and the brutal internal struggle to try and keep faith with the confounding and contradictory reality of Islam really broke the guys spirit. Last thing I heard he was working the graveyard shift driving the prostitutes and druggies around.

An OT comment -- Did anybody catch that Oprah/Obama White House Christmas special thing last night? That dude is WAY slicker than grease lightnin. His cheer-leading followers absolutely adore him. Such carefully planned and edited feel-good-stuff it was! Too funny. Too convincing a performance. Tragic. He is certainly getting his chance to live the opulent life of luxury and power that he has been craving for. He is certainly getting a chance to fully indulge his narcissism.

But at the end of the day, what positive accomplishments will he himself actually be able to take credit for? And what damage, especially in regards to Islamic related issues, will he be responsible for creating?

I seem to be one of the few ex-Muslims who comment on JW on a semi regular basis. I was asked the other night to comment on my recent experiences down at the local Mosque. I avoided commenting as I was well into enjoying a few double ceasar’s and spinning a few favorite Tom Waits albums. The Heart of Saturday Night, and Nighthawks at the Diner, were sounding especially good that evening as I recall. Much like drinking and dialing, god knows typing isn’t any better so I held back.

Anyway, just to prove that I am in fact an ex-Muslim, here are a few stories you may find of interest. The facts have been slightly altered so as to lessen the chances that some knuckle head figures out who I am.

I chat with one guy in particular quite often at the local Mosque. He has no idea that I’m an ex-Muslim. He is health professional with his own business. Let’s call him a dermatologist. He is an exceptionally brilliant and saintly man. He has several kids including some daughters. He lives a life of austere purity. He is one of the rare few living “safely within the Islamic bubble”. He refuses to look at all the horrendous darkness in his religion. He refuses to question Islam. Such a thought would never even cross his mind. He naively thinks that Islam can be reformed and better days are ahead for it. Tragically he has no idea how much damage he is doing. I usually keep mostly quiet and listen.

I drop subtle hints to the guy but have to tread lightly. Learning the raw facts about Islam is probably too much for many Muslims to handle. It might push them over the edge. Their entire world and identity are built around it. It can also get the messenger killed. Interacting with this guy is VERY surreal and VERY interesting.

Another story: I am 40 year old Canadian male, I have this young Muslim friend in his early twenties. I knew his older brother back in the day. This young guy is a big time stoner and a video game junkie. He likes the shoot ‘em up variety of video games. The obvious joke here is how fitting that is -- but keep in mind that Muslim’s are by no means the only folk that that stuff appeals to.

This guy is of Pakistani decent, but pretty mellow on the whole. He’s got a great sense of humor and isn’t over-the-top religious. He is actually a great guy. He even respects much of his Hindu heritage and makes fun of the many clueless, rabid Muslims that he knows. I’ve got him nearly out the door of Islam without him even knowing it. I know that he’ll thank me and we’ll be the best of friends once he makes the move. Of course my friend doesn’t know where I’m coming from, and that’s fine for now. I have done this before, several times in fact, it’s easy. I think that this generation of Muslims and the ones coming behind them will be the ones that help put and end to Islam. The young people are seeing through the transparent fraud of Islam and just aren’t gonna be havin it for much longer. I keep my hand in Islam because I care and because there is so much to learn that I can speak about at a later date.

Saleem Smith, I've always believed you were who and what you say you are. And I can understand about not "drinking and posting". Sometimes this garbage can really get to me but then I take a little break and go after it again. But Saturday night, yeah, that's a good night for 80's music in the nation's capital and not taking things too seriously.

Your observations about the "dermatologist" are helpful because I just can't wrap my head around why some people, especially abused women, defend Islam so vehemently.

Glad you are here. ; )

"SaleemSmith"

No offense, but I just have to laugh. Is that the muslim convert name you chose?

Quite a few Saleems, but I'm guessing not that many Smiths in that islamic cauldron.

The world keeps getting weirder and weirder.

Fooooking A!

Another story: Years back, while traveling in the Middle East, Europe and Asia, I befriended many Muslims, both while in the religion and while out of it. Interestingly enough, I got to see the strange side of Muslim homosexuality and alcohol abuse. I didn’t partake in the homosexuality though. Not that I give a shit. It’s none of my business. It just doesn’t interest or appeal to me. It is a real eye opener to see what the not so puritanical and devout Muslims get up to in privacy. Oddly enough, these people are the most down to earth and trustworthy when the chips are down. The hardcore religious just think that everybody but them is hell bound and a lost cause. It is truly bizarre to see firsthand what Islam does to human beings.

Some of the funnier human stories that I remember are kids taking cases of liquor out into the dessert to get a taste of the forbidden fruit. Kids crashing cars into swimming pools while pissed. All male pajama parties if ya know what I mean. A funny twist to that story is that Islamic pajamas are big Islamic tradition of sorts. Truly wacky stuff. Cheers.

Aiken Bryce,

Of course both these names are fake. A pen name. But my story is straight.

Here's hoping your not some far-right-winger,

Or some troll with shit for brains.

Have a great night chief.

On a serious note:

Merry Christmas Man.

Saleem; Thanks for your posts. But, you are not the only ex-Muslim I have run into. And, from my own travels in the Far East and work in student missions, I am as aware of the humanity of Muslims as any.

While I am very critical of Islam (I don't think a believing Christian can take any other position), I wince at the idea of inter-civilizational war, rioting in our streets to rid ourselves of an aliien menace (in which the Yobs will go after anyone swarthy--even if he's a Church of the East, Armenian, or Mizrahi refugee), and the like. I simply do not want to spoil what may be the Lord's fruit before it ripens. After all, Christian missions circles are, while very grateful to Our Merciful God, more than a bit taken by surprise at the numbers of Muslims who are receptive to the Gospel. The ultimate casualty of this round of radical Islamicist ferment may possibly be Islam itself.

Now, as for the item in the lead story here about a man being executed for murder, I'm not so sure I can disapprove. Ever since Noah and family got out of the ark, God has said that he who sheds man's blood shall have his own blood shed by man (it's in Genesis 9). Maybe one reason why our Western civilization is under siege is that our "professional agonized consciences" think it a small thing that 42 million children who have done no harm have been murdered since Roe v. Wade, but weep rivers of tears over the prospect of a "beyond reasonable doubt" murderer getting executed.

A Happy Advent Season to all--even though it's something I see as adiaphoric.

SaleemSmith says,

Of course both these names are fake. A pen name. But my story is straight.

Here's hoping your not some far-right-winger,

Or some troll with shit for brains.

I could be "some far-right-winger" and/or I could be "some troll with shit for brains", but I'm happy to say that I've never been hoodwinked by islam.

So who really has had (or still has) "shit for brains"?

Hey Bud, seriously, you need not take it personally.

I don't know you and you don't know me. We are strangers.

Cheers Man, hope you have a great Christmas.

Hey Saleem,

So when's your next/first book? Pajallahma Party? Sorry,kidding. You're giving a certain "cool" to a newer and freer Islam. Write on..But TO sucks. Lose the chicks and move to Nanton. Get lost in the Rockies.btw Do you like Gordon Lightfoot?

"And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
And they which heard it, being convicted by their conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? Hath no man condemned thee?
She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more." John 8:3-11
Either there were a lot of people there with no sin, or Jesus was nowhere in the vicinity.

Remember that about 2 years ago over 1,500 Somalian Muslims demonstrated in Minnesota in favor of this jihad that has brought this kind of sharia to their homeland.

Remember that about 2 years ago over 1,500 Somalian Muslims demonstrated in Minnesota in favor of this jihad that has brought this kind of sharia to their homeland.

Maybe that Taliban loving English bishop can help out with the stoning. There probably so much in Somalia that he can admire.

When you read about this, you can see the value of Charles Martel's victory at Tours, the Reconquista, the Crusades, the Christian victories at Vienna in 1529 and 1683, De la Valettes successful defence of Malta and many more. It is these victories that stood between the West being free, and being like Somalia. And, thanks to the multiculturalists and the PC brigade and other moral equivalence nutcases, what we see in Somalia could yet be the dreadful fate of the West in the 22nd or 23rd centuries. No civilization is permanent - 6,000 years of history tells us that, otherwise Egypt would still be ruled by the Pharoahs or Rome by the Caesars. But with the Left, history is a dead subject. People no longer give a fig about those who fought for our freedoms, even World War II was something that happened a long time ago to the present generations. When something like 30% of young people think Winston Churchill was a car insurance salesman (from the Churchill adverts) then we really are in trouble.

Who can forget Hon. Colin Powell's gift to the United States of America when he was Secretary of State, correct me if I am wrong, but I seem to recall his policy to "resettle" thousands of Somalis directly from villages of Somalia to various states, from New Hampshire and Minnesota throughout the US. I guess like a lot of the US policies, this one would be an other unwitting and disastrous blunder - giving traction to future demands for muslim devine law "sharia" and its barbaric benefits such as whipping, stoning and beheading, as carried out in most islamic states. I know in Europe animals are brutally slaughtered in the streets every year on eid-al-adha with no regard for animal cruelty laws. Somehow bloodletting in one way or another seems to surround muslim faith, and in former president Bush's words, "islam means peace".
With the help of democrats, socialists, communists and vote begging liberal leftists, its only a matter of time before sharia is adopted in the US, unless of course the people unite and protest.

St.Patrick,

Oh-for-sure-Bro

What's with the fingers pointing upward? He's Number One?

Sonsuz sez:

"Now facts. Except Iran and Somalia, there's no stoning in muslim countries. "

I am not convinced of that...one this is certain, wherever there is Shar'ia law. there is stoning...and how many Muslim countries have or want to have Shar'ia law?

Just recently the following report came in from Jakarta, Indonesia where the Muslims are to make stonings ...the law.

Because Shar'ia law sez so.....and Shar'ia law is Muslim law.

"Report: Indonesia's Aceh province set to approve stoning as punishment under Sharia
Demonstrating once again that any Sharia is a slippery slope to more Sharia: theocratic systems don't lend themselves to selective implementation. Those who campaign for it are unlikely to be satisfied with just a little Sharia -- rather, it is a proverbial foot in the door. And as the Islamic arm of government gains strength and confidence, more Sharia follows.

"Aceh to Legalize Stoning," from VivaNews, September 11:

VIVAnews - Aceh House of Representatives (DPRA) will soon legalize Qanun (law) on Jinayat (crimes).
Qanun Jinayat and Qanun Jinayat Code contain several rules on Islamic Sharia in Aceh. The regulations also include a number of punishments including hand-cutting for thieves and stoning against adulterers who are married.
Aceh civil activists ask the legislative and local officials not to be hasty in passing the laws. The plan to ratify the regulations is considered rash and filled with political agenda.
So many continue to try to have it both ways: Sharia cannot ever be at fault, lest criticizing it imply that Allah is unkind, or that the legal prescriptions of the Qur'an are behind the times. By process of elimination, then, it must be the implementation of Sharia that is at fault. Thus, Sharia continues its record -- not unlike that of Communism -- as a system whose supposed perfection on paper is never realized in practice... but the defects in the letter of the law are above scrutiny.

"Qanun Jinayah and the (Qanun Jinayat) code are badly prepared. (They) should be further analyzed in the first place, " Aceh Human Rights NGO Director, Evinarti Zein, said in a written statement received by VIVAnews on Thursday, September 10.
Zein also said Qanun draft bill has never been campaigned, which makes it seems to be forced by the House. She also thought the draft bill is far different from the Islamic penal law.
"The Board hasn't seriously worked on Qanun and it will be hard for the law enforcers to enforce Islamic Shari'a if [we] haven't fully adopted Islamic laws," Zein said.
Although it sets out punishments for thefts and adulterers behaviors, it does not oversee any rules on burglary, corruption and murder. The activists predict the laws would only be enforced to the lower-class society.
"This Qanun is only aimed at lower-class community basing its reason on the issue that any regulation not attached in the Qanun Jinayat will be stipulated by the Penal Code. Therefore, the legalization should be delayed," said Evinarti.
Meanwhile, as reported by the Malaysian Insider, former President Abdurrahman Wahid, who encouraged the implementation of Shari'a in Aceh a few years ago, once said that the punishments should not include stoning or body part-cutting because it would violate human rights and Indonesian Penal Code"

Used at the moment or not, stoning is on the sharia books...Anytime someone want's to revive the practice, the legal basis is already there...The Islamic legals have not agreed to ban it 'forever' and remove it from the books...
Stoning then is always a possibility for adulterers in Islam...

A gunfight, an execution by gunfire and a stoning, all at the same event. Who said Islam wasn't fun?

Why the resumption of stoning in Islamic countries?

After you're ruined the economy, natural resources and culture; stones are one of the few things left.

"This barbaric scene belongs in the Dark Ages". Islam is the Dark Ages, and the effort to remove all obstacles to the spread of the Dark Ages to the whole world.