Woman sold in public auction in Pakistan — for $3,200

Here is the apotheosis of the Islamic tendency to treat women as commodities — a tendency with deep roots in the Qur’an and Sunnah.

“Girl sold in open auction,” by Sikander Khoso for The Nation, December 13 (thanks to Silvester):

JACOBABAD – A 20-year-old girl was auctioned at village Badani Bhutto of Taluka Kashmore in consideration of Rs2,70,000 on Saturday.

Azizan, daughter of late Allah Bux Bhutto, was divorced on the allegation of Karo-kari some time back. She is stated to be mother of two children and was residing with her brother who held the open auction for her ‘sale’ at village Badani Bhutto.

A large number of villagers showed interest in the auction that started with Rs50,000 and ended at Rs270,000. Bilawal Bhutto, 50, of the same village purchased her for the said amount. Initially he paid Rs210,000 for the girl.

Maulana Azizullah Bhutto performed their nikah [marriage] later.

It is irony of the situation that no one condemned the inhuman act. The groom will take the bride to his house after paying the rest of the amount. The auction money was distributed equally among all the brothers of the girl.

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  1. says

    Azizan, daughter of late Allah Bux Bhutto, was divorced on the allegation of Karo-kari some time back.

    Karo-kari? I’m sure it is some imagined or trumped-up charge of some sexual impropriety that violates their precious sharia BS.

    Anyhoo, this girl, this woman, was auctioned off for the grand sum of $3203.61.

    The freedom and dignity of a human being has the value of $3203.61.

    $3203.61. Good, gawd, when you thought the depravity and perversions of islam could hit rock bottom, just wait one more day — it finds news ways of sinking to depths deeper than the Marianas Trench.

    Remember this story the next a zombie attempts to tell you that islam values human life and dignity.

    Only for the paltry sum of $3203.61.

    Absolute f*cking savages.

  2. says

    Where are the feminists? Where is NOW?

    Oh yea, tearing down the “white, male power-structure”…that same power-structure that outlawed polygamy, ended slavery, and conferred upon women and minorities the right to vote.

    I suppose the slave-trade of women in the Muslim world falls under the rubric of “diversity” and “multiculturalism” and is therefore not to be challenged.

    Shame!

  3. says

    Ugh, how primitive and disgusting.

    I hope those 3 brothers are happy with that paltry amount. Selling their sister?? (or any person).

    They really do have stone age mindsets.

  4. says

    To the liberal feminist in the West this is no different than a woman in the West being FORCED by circumstances into working for less wages than a man. The real evil is in the West where women face constant and unrelenting discrimination and harassment. There are even cases where men leer at women in public, imagine the horror. The real lesson of this story is that The West does not deserve to exist any more, that is the lesson of all stories actually.

  5. says

    Off-topic Spence, but I found this cartoon about Mohammad on Youtube.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJMlgmwHN9E

    I was wondering but would you mind dissecting it in a post and pointing what parts of it are false and propaganda? All it does is basically glorify Mohammad and make him out to be a saint while praising him nonstop.

  6. says

    Must be the “respect for women” in Islamic culture that Naomi Klein & fellow pro-Islamic feminists have in mind… when will they all move to Pakistan to be sold for $3,000 on the market, to a Jihadi with a big stick? The sooner the better.

  7. says

    “The auction money was distributed equally among all the brothers of the girl.”

    At least they’re fair among themselves. This is so despicable. There are very few things that are infinite but certainly Islam’s vileness and stupidity are. Islam is really beyond the pale. Yuck!

    I remember the story of an Icelandic parson who had been abducted together with his maid by some Maghrebi slave traders, they really sailed as far north as Iceland to catch slaves. Both of them were sold at the slave market. When the people of his parish had bought him back, the parson complained that a much better price had been paid for his maid than for him. This story can be found in one of Bernard Lewis’ books. Those who still think that Islam, the vilest religion and fascist ideology can be reformed, they can’t be helped either.

  8. says

    Allow me, the sophisticated, to enlighten you, the bourgeoisie. Surely you can see that in our culture we have decided to elevate the rights and status of women. However, that doesn’t mean that we can impose our cultural morays on other cultures. It is only through our own, eurocentric, imperialist paradigm that we think our culture is so much better than everyone else’s, and that is the reason President Obama is working so hard to improve our stature and mend fences with our friends in less developed countries. You would all be well advise to be a little more sensitive to the differences in other…

    *SMACK*

    *thump*

    /Dr. Neumnutz, professor emeritus (and now unconscious) of social sciences at whatever state university

  9. says

    This is nauseating. They sell women at auctions like we sell livestock.

    Actually, that may not be a fair statement since farm animals are treated better than many Muslim women in the world today.

  10. says

    For those of you who are complaining about feminists not responding, apparently you didn’t notice that this article comes from “The Nation.” In case you didn’t know, that is a liberal-to-Socialist publication whose publisher is Katrina vanden Heuvel. She co-founded “Vyi i Myi” a feminist quarterly.

    Furthermore, I became a feminist way back in the 70s. It was through feminist publications that I first became aware of the horror of female genital mutilation. Back then no conservative gave a damn when feminists complained about that practice or any other form of female subjugation in the Muslim world. Now that it’s convenient for you guys to slam Islam, you’re all experts on the subject. Where were you in the 70s?

  11. says

    But of course the Islamic Republic of Pakistan is out great ally and friend, receiving tens of billions of dollars in grants, aid and sophisticated arms from the UnitedDhimmi States of America so that this soul less hell hole and their heartless regime continues these despicable barbaric inhumane customs without prosecution of the guilty and with maximum impunity of the victims who are often minorities and the repressed.
    If the so called “Land of the Pure”(Pakistan), treats its own people like subhuman auctioned slaves, is it any wonder they would harbor nothing less than hate, animosity and terror for all infidels especially their sponsors and financiers the UnitedKafir Sates of America?

    If this is “Land of the Pure”, I’d be afraid to see the “regular” much less the “impure” in the Islamic world.

    Once again unless we stop coddling these so called “Islamic” terror states and start questioning and demanding improvement in their behavior, by acting like a responsible super power, this barbarism directly reflects on us, as the financier of 7th century slavery.

  12. says

    I just realized that this article is from a different publication. That was a boneheaded mistake. But the second half of my post stands. Feminists cared about this issue, and protested this issue, and still publish about this issue. If you investigated, you’d know that.

  13. says

    I don’t recall ever seeing a feminist group of the 70s condeming the Muslim practice of giving their young daughters to old Muslim men to settle debts ( I have spent some time researching and have not found one report or article by any group of feminists regarding the give away your daugher to satisfy you debt ploy.)….such occurances occur often in many Muslim countries ….even in todays “modern” times….Muslims prefer living in old ways….and they prefer Shar’ia law…which is the draconian old Muslim law….from the old days…maybe such things are permitted by Shar’ia law….I don’t see any feminist groups complaining about Shar’ia law either…maybe they like it…

  14. says

    I hope he’s got an internet connection so she can look up
    “healthy” recipes and download “Arsenic and Old Lace”..I hope she’s insulted when she finds out she’s worth the cost of the damages Tiger Woods caused. Coincidental but strange.

    http://www.edmontonsun.com/sports/golf/2009/12/02/12011461.html

    I wonder how many dollar signs ol’ man Bary (Rifqa Bary’s
    alleged ol’ man) saw in his head before he decided not to crush her with her laptop. Hmm,pretty but slightly damaged,uh uh convert to Christianity! I’ll get nothing! Oh Nooo! She’s gone! Gotta call CAIR!

  15. says

    A digression on “karo-kari” which is not to be confused with a well-known defense in chess that Morphy or Capablanca or even Luzhin might use.

    It appears to mean the kind of crime that can be forgiven by the victim’s family, if that family is convinced the victim had it coming.

    In Muslim countries, as in other primitive societies, the state does not have a monopoly on violence, and the punishment of crimes. The state may punish, but often private parties do so, and the state may decide not to punish, and private parties may also decide — if the price paid by the victim’s family is right — not to do so.

    The root “kar” in “karo-kari” means “black” in either the local language, or possibly as a pseudo-legal term employed more by local Muslims whatever their local language. “Kara” in Turkish means “black”; Kara Deniz is the Black Sea, and the Russian loan-word from Turkish for pencil is “karandash.” Might the word have been brought by invaders from outside who included Turkic peoples? Where is Max Muller when you need him?

  16. says

    Yes, where indeed are the Western feminists? Just as the term “radical Islam” is redundant, so is the term “enlightened feminist” an oxymoron (might as well speak of a “Quaker orgy,” an “anorexic Sumo wrestler” or an “Amish Supermodel”). Tough, strong, independent women, like my mother, sister and wife, NEVER identify themselves as “feminists.” In fact, they have a contempt for the descriptive, as they should, as should everyone, male or female, who has not let their built-in crap detector become lost. Western feminists are as clueless as the Islamic world is despicable. Case closed.

  17. says

    This young woman was very lucky to have been merely sold and not killed.
    As Fjordman has explained it, Islam is a form of institutionalized slavery. It’s hierarchical system of reward and punishment is like a perverted Christmas tree: There’s the 1400 year old Islamic slave trade, the dhimma and jizya, the superiority of believers in all areas, the lowliness of women. Robert and Hugh are at the very bottom…sawing.

  18. says

    I’m surprised that this article is considered newsworthy.

    Mohammedans traditionally buy and sell women. What do you think they do when they take their underage daughters to the home country to find a suitable husband?

    The price for a virgin muslimah from a western country is at least $ 20.000.00 dollars, since it comes with an entry ticket/visa to the Dar ul Harb.

  19. says

    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    Great article and many great comments tonight.

    There are obviously many good and knowledgeable people who comment at JW on a regular basis. What a blessing it is to have RS at the helm. What a privilege it is to have a forum like this in which to discuss the facts of Islam.

    My concern is this: We probably should not waste too much of our time “preaching to the converted’. We regulars already know that Islam is a terribly harmful fraud in totality and that Muhammad was a criminally insane narcissist. Some of our energy should be put into bringing more traffic to this site.

    We can realistically double or triple the traffic flow to JW within a years time if we work at it. Both the radical and “the moderate’ Islamists will keep trying to do their thing for a long time to come. Islam is your standard cult, and it takes some people a long time to see it for what it is and leave it, because they are so afraid of the threats of hell, desirous of paradise, and risk being killed by their fellow Muslims should they simply want to leave it. We “infidel’ citizens, lol, need to do our part. Not just make comments and get the thrill of seeing our name and words in print. Don’t get me wrong, of course there is a lot to learn from each other in the comment section, but there is much more work that needs to be done.

    Here are some suggestions that I am bringing to the table. I am currently doing these things and will be doing plenty more of it as time goes on.

    * A person can easily make small paper fliers on their own printer. In fact several small fliers can fit onto one 11X81/2 sheet of paper. Then with scissors you simply cut them out and maybe add some color with a felt pen. They could read something as simple as: http://WWW.JihadWatch.org — Stand against Sharia Law and Islamic Supremacism.

    Or, http://WWW.JihadWatch.org — Islam is not “the religion of peace” as it is commonly called, but it is primarily a religion of “injustice, intolerance, hatred, and violence.” The fact is, if a person were to say about Muslims what the Koran says about non-Muslims, they would be arrested for hate speech. The Koran largely preaches discrimination, death, and imposition of its dogma on everyone.

    You can go down to Staples or some other office supply store and make hundreds of these for dirt cheap. These fliers can be left all over the place. In bathrooms, on car window shields, etc etc etc

    * Another way is to go down to your local art supply store and buy a set of stencils and a quality exacto blade, draw and cut out a template on a large thick piece of paper, then using paint, make signs similar to real estate signs that people put on their lawns. These signs can be stapled to telephone poles or placed elsewhere.

    * Email what you think are some of the best articles from this and others great sites like FaithFreedom.org and IslamWatch.org to various people and groups. These above mentioned ideas can be very effective at exposing Islam for the fraud that it is.

    * CHEERS AND HOPE YOUR HAVING A FAB CHRISTMAS!!

    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

  20. says

    Despite my plea the student of Sanskrit and Indo-European languages Max Muller did not return from the dead to help out but, instead, someone has come forward in his place to provide more information about “kar” and its Indo-European variants and Sanskrit root.

    Karageorge (military leader, always heroic, Serbian), Caran d’Ache (pseudonym of political cartoonist, seldom pleasant, Swiss), and I (often pleasant but never heroic, American) all thank you.

  21. says

    I knew something was slightly off but only after posting did I realize what it was. Caran d’Ache (Emanuel Poire) was not Swiss but French. It is Caran d’Ache the eponymous producer of pencils that is a Swiss company. Oops.

  22. says

    Remember……. The current President of The United States says we MUST respect this.

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/09/04/06/Crossroads-in-Turkey

    “We seek broader engagement based upon mutual interest and mutual respect. We will listen carefully, we will bridge misunderstanding, and we will seek common ground. We will be respectful even when we do not agree.”

    ————–

    So……. RESPECT IT !

    If he’s not a Muslim, then what the hell is he – besides a traitorous Marxist Totalitarian waste of carbon ?

    Truthfully, I don’t care about his religion…… never really did. It’s his policies, words and deeds I care about.

    Besides, I’m too busy loading up my house full of guns and cramming all corners of every room with ammunition.

  23. says

    Well, here’s some cold comfort for you …

    If we lose this fight and the mohammedans take over, we can put some of those presently silent feminists to some positive use.

    I wouldn’t be a bit surprised to learn that that is what they are secretly hoping for.

  24. says

    Hey, let’s invite thousands more of these wonderful people into our country. Someone contact President Bush (he would certainly like to help)

  25. says

    In the late seventies I visited Bombay (now Mumbai) on several occasions and stayed in the Taj Mahal hotel, (yes, the one that was attacked a year ago)

    Every day, in the lobby, there were Arabs who were already accompanied by several females (properly covered up with the freedom sack) buying women from fathers who were parading them up and down before them, hoping for a sale.

    That’s how its done. I’m sure its still going on, nothing has changed. What’s the difference, auction or haggling directly with the seller?

    That’s why I don’t understand why this story made the news. Its as common as goat humping or FGM in Egypt.

  26. says

    This is just another outward sign of how the “Perfect Man” decreed that “inferior” women should be treated. It goes right to the core of Islam itself – which tries to present such a good face through its apologists. It’s like a nice-looking apple that you pick off a tree, only when you peel it, you find it’s chock-full of worms.

    Boneshack – Cartoons can also be used to tell the truth. It just depends on who is doing them. Mine should be done by the end of February.

    As for the sheep, thanks for that. That has actually been a concern for animal welfare people for quite a while; however, as with everything else, few are willing to speak up against it because it has to do with Muslims – and, like the Atlantic seal slaughter, would-be spokesmen get cowed by charges of “racism” when trying point this stuff out, doubled by the fact that it’s seen as an animals vs human wants issue.

    Violet – Where was I in the 1970s? I was in grade school getting the crap kicked out of me for being an ugly little bookworm with thick glasses. Sorry I was too busy with that to be on the feminist protest line. 😛

  27. says

    A few feminists may have condemned FGM in the 70s, but as some of us have come to know all too well, it depends on how that condemnation is framed before one concludes that it has passed muster: I.e., there are people today who condemn FGM, but only in terms of it being a “cultural” problem that, according to them, has nothing to do with Islam. I don’t doubt that’s how the 70s feminists saw the problem as well. Ironically, it shows that PC MCs were, and continue to be, willing to throw non-Muslim Third Worlders under the bus, in order to appease and protect Muslims. More and more, it’s becoming clear: the PC MC spasm to appease and protect Muslims trumps all other liberal values — women’s rights, gay rights, minority rights, respect for minority cultures, animals rights, the environment, freedom to mock religion; etc. If any of these rights & values is seen to get in the way of our appeasement and “respect” for Islam and for Muslims, they must go out the window.

    And again, the explanation for this perverse inflation of undeserved respect for Muslims throughout the West is simple: the Twin Fears:

    1) Fear of Exploding Muslims;

    2) Fear of Our White Selves Unable to Control Our White Selves from Genociding Brown Muslims because of the Increasing Logical Pressure of #1.

  28. says

    The religion of peace . . .

    Where’s Obama and his wife and this HUMAN RIGHT’S issue? Haven’t heard him condemning these acts at the hand of his beloved “POKISTAN.” Oh . . . I’m sorry. They must be planning another party.

    Every single last one of them can rot in hell for eternity.

  29. says

    Saalam,

    This is an isolated incident and so much is made of it.
    This pales in significance to what YOU Americans have done to the black women of successive generations.

    I think you don’t really qualify to comment on this….you have a lot of forgiving to do yet.

    Yom

  30. says

    Yom al juma, when a literate person, who can put sentences together and type out his thoughts, comes up with:

    “This is an isolated incident and so much is made of it.
    This pales in significance to what YOU Americans have done to the black women of successive generations.

    I think you don’t really qualify to comment on this….you have a lot of forgiving to do yet.”

    Then, you are either too stupid to understand logic or much too loyal to your beliefs insecure and unwilling to accept the truth. I think its the later.

    One small point. These United States of America where you happen to enjoy all freedoms yet despise it, and its history of slavery and all of its ills are almost insignificant and pale compared to the 1400 + years of savagery, slavery and genocidal destruction of humanity by Islamic Jihadists all over the planet, and still continue this barbarism to this day. You have to be a moron to think its an isolated incident.

    Merry Christmas to all.

  31. says

    Thanks Yom-seem. Spoken like a true viral Muslim man.

    Shall we share with everybody what your men have done to black women, for oh, say, 1400 years? You got some splainin’ to do yourself, babe.

  32. says

    Your protestations ring hollow. To hell with what feminists were saying in the 70s!!! They’re supposed to have based their existence on defending the rights of women. Why then their deafening silence regarding the oppression of women in the Muslim world?

    Why?

    In a nutshell:

    Most feminists are Leftists, and among Leftists, ideology trumps all, and race trumps gender. Anti-Americanism and anti-Capitalism is the ideology of the Left, and most Muslims have brown skin.

    Put two-and-two together:

    Muslims are victims, by virtue of their antipathy for America and the fact that the majority have brown skin. As a result, their conscious disregard for gender equality and vicious treatment of women is ignored.

    Better wake up and smell the coffee. If you want to embrace the feminist Left, do so without hypocrisy and just accept as an article of faith that the multicultural ethos precludes criticism of Islam…e.g., Norwegian feminist Una Wikan advocates Norwegian women veiling themselves as the best way to avoid sexual harassment from Muslim immigrants in Norway…instead of repudiating the multiculturalism that is destroying the rights of women in her country.

    If on the other hand, if you’re ready to grow up, read the writings of a TRUE feminist like Phyllis Chesler. You might learn something.

  33. says

    Thanks Yom-seem. Spoken like a true viral Muslim man.

    Shall we share with everybody what your men have done to black women, for oh, say, 1400 years? You got some splainin’ to do yourself, babe.

  34. says

    How much for a piece of property? $3200.00 How much would we get for a female in office?

    Certainly in a culture of destruction and violence to say nothing about their word being worthless,I am sure Adolf Hitler was a better humanitarian. At least he was not peddling human flesh. That makes him a better person. I understand he was working with these people on a final solution, as they had killed more than him.

    We need a moratorium on bringing in this garbage. They are as much our enemies as the NAZI and I don’t see any difference between them. Unless it was the snappy uniform, called the Burqua.

    Dennis

  35. says

    Where’s all the women’s organizations hiding out at? If this were some white american selling off his daughter, he would be thrown in Jail. Well I guess the old coot can now stop screwing his camel now that he has bought a wife. And we let such people migrate to American and own dunkin donut shops. I wouldn’t buy a damn thing from those crazy dot heads. They sell you donuts that even their camels wouldn’t eat. lol

  36. says

    Jewdog,

    Thanks for the link. But let us air islam’s dirty laundry in the open here:

    Islamabad (AsiaNews) – Honour crimes are an archaic practice in Pakistan. Although precise figures are hard to obtain, especially for the more remote rural and tribal areas, Pakistan is thought to hold the world record in honour crimes.

    Karo kari is a compound word literally meaning “black male” and “black female,” metaphoric terms for adulterer and adulteress. Being so labelled leads more often than not to the murder of both man and woman allegedly guilty of having an illicit affair. This is especially true in the rural areas of the southern province of Sindh. In other parts of the country, women are more likely to be accused of sexual improprieties and murdered in order to wash the sullied family honour.

    Official data recently published by the Pakistani Senate show that more than 4,000 people died in the last 6 years as result of karo-kari. Of the victims almost 2,800 were women and just over 1,300 were men. Thus twice as many women as men lose their lives to this most barbaric social custom.

    The data show that the highest number of karo kari killings were perpetrated in Punjab province followed by Sindh, the North-West Frontier Province (NWFP), and the south-western province of Baluchistan. Some non governmental and media sources suggest that prior to 1998 Sindh topped the list.

    Of the 2,774 murdered women, 1,578 were killed in Punjab, 751 in Sindh, 260 in NWFP and 185 in Baluchistan. Of the 1,327 murdered men, 675 were killed in Punjab, 348 in Sindh, 188 in NWFP and 116 in Baluchistan.

    Although 4101 people were victims of honour killings only 3,451 cases were brought before the courts: 1.834 in Punjab, 980 in Sindh, 361 in NWFP and 276 in Baluchistan.

    Interior Minister Faisal Saleh Hayat and Law Minister Raza Hayat Hiraj speaking before the Senate said the government would soon table a bill banning honour crimes and karo kari. Parliament began debating on Tuesday, July 20, an amendment to the Penal Code introduced by the Pakistan People’s Party-Parliamentarians (PPPP) that would impose long sentences to anyone guilty of honour crimes and karo kari. The PPPP’s action was also intended to block attempts by other parties to leave the matter outside the purview of the Law.

    The PPPP’s Chaudhry Aitzaz Ahsan, speaking in favour of the amendment, said the Pakistan Penal Code should be changed so as to rid the law books of honour crimes and karo kari. He insisted that honour killings are murders and guilty parties should be punished with a life sentence. He urged legislators belonging to the Muttahida Majlis-e-Amal, a six- party Islamic alliance, as well as religious groups to support the amendment. He insisted that it was high time that Shariah law come under closer scrutiny to stop it from being abused.

    Would someone remind me, please, why we PAY these f*cking savages to be our “friend and ally”?

    Oh, and don’t forget the 61 cents to make sure that “nikah” is valid. Paid off in full, down to the very last penny.

    All $3203.61 worth of human dignity in Pakistani rupees. (And may a goat or two thrown in for good measure.)

  37. says

    Tim,

    Not to speak for Robert, but let me tell you that your cartoon link is nothing but a direct rip-off of the 1977 movie The Message.

    (Please have several empty grocery bags next to you if you decide to watch this 15 part piece of garbage.)

    Both the live-action (real people) movie and and the cartoon parrot the same lies about Muhammad and the Koran. The cartoon is just a modern attempt to indoctrinate children of the lies and deceit of islam. Kids relate to cartoons. (And perhaps adults with IQs less than 90.)

    Sorry to be so harsh, but the reality is that anyone with a whit of knowledge of the basics of islam knows that both the movie and this cartoon are nothing but islamic propaganda.

  38. says

    “Sex slaves trafficked from Eastern Europe and auctioned in London cofeeshops!!! ”

    Jowen you are right about this incident in the reported in media about ALBANIAN MUSLIMS selling unsuspecting young girls escorted to the UK as tourists and forced in to prostitution.

    A minor detail I’m sure you must have forgotten!!!!

  39. says

    Oh you mean in the middle of town square…yelling $3000 $3000 anyone anyone….now sold to the nice gentlemen….. Or do you mean underneath some red light district bar in a back room guarded by a few hench men with clubs and guns. Hmmmm. The freakin town came out with mommy, baby, granny, gramps…etc…to stare and gawk… no one had the decency to stop this immoral act of treating a “child of God”..made in the image of God as a piece of meat…donkey to sold to the highest pervert. You are so pathetic and intellectually lame to equate muslim practices with sex slaves. dam you are your worst enemy. God help these so called moderate muslims to become liberal progressive socialist…. oh no…wait we don’t need any more Obama or reid

  40. says

    True enough but you seem to reveal some amount of intolerant bigotedness remaining in your world view when you used the phrase “less developed”, that is, who are you to say that our civilization is “more developed” than any other? Perhaps it is those civilizations who have spent the most time studiously conforming to all of the dictates of the One True Religion, The Religion Of Peace, Islam, that are actually “more developed”.

  41. says

    American Delight,

    Actually, that may not be a fair statement since farm animals are treated better than many Muslim women in the world today.

    Sorry to burst your bubble, but animals are clearly not treated the same (or better) than women. Watch this truly disgusting video of how sheep are treated in zombie countries: Live Export & Animals Australia’s Middle East Investigations

    Bottom line is that women are nothing but sheep in islam: A form to be sold and bargained at the local market.

    F*ck islam.

  42. says

    The present usage of the word Kara or Kar is Black as you correctly point out, however, further research points this word as countless others in use today are a bastardized version from their Mother Language – Sanskrit (Indo-Germanic source language) to suit the present speakers’ tongue, be it Turkish, Urdu, Pashtu or the many derivative subordinate languages.
    In Sanskrit the root word is and KALA and KAAL 1st meaning Black as in color, 2nd meaning Darkness of the Void or Ether or Hollow, 3rd meaning Lifeless or Death.

    The words Karo/Kari are used in the masculine/feminine relationship literally, “blacko” as male and “blacki” as female.

    Katholische Universität Eichstätt

  43. says

    Not sure what you mean, perhaps you misconstrued my comment. I’m both anti-feminist and anti-Islamist but it would be nice if the feminists were at least anti-Islamist, the Islamists are anti-me and anti-feminist.

  44. says

    Now that it’s convenient for you guys to slam Islam, you’re all experts on the subject. Where were you in the 70s?

    Well gee Violet, maybe we were still in high school or college and had not yet been introduced to feminism or islam. Did you become an expert on islam in the seventies? Female genital mutilation is but one of hundreds of islam’s misogynic perversions.

    Is one qualified to criticize islam only if one was a seventies feminist? I sure hope not because those are the very people who are some of today’s most obsequious islamic apologists.

  45. says

    I was only a baby. I don’t think that was the correct answer. I was only a baby in war torn Laos….everyone has their own crap to deal with.

    It was wrong then and wrong now. Happy. The problem is that a representative of the liberal feminist was not taken aback when I told her about an African women seeking asylum in the US, a few years back, from clitoris mutilation and I was told “Who are you to judge another cultures practices?”. So I still don’t by the notion that “liberal” feminist are for all women unless they happen to be Democrats or even further left…commies etc… Sarah Palin…point proven.

  46. says

    Thanks for that link, boneshack. I recommend everyone watch this film, whether you are Aussie or not.

    It is not only the Middle East where animals are mistreated.

    It is against the UK law to slaughter any animal without stunning it first, but mohammedans have a ‘dispensation’ from the government that allows them to ignore this. As a shameful result, animals in Britain can take several minutes to die in agony, hanging upside down with their throats cut. I eat meat, and accept that animals are killed to produce it, but causing unnecessary suffering is not acceptable in a civilized society.

    The Farm Animal Welfare Committee recommended several years ago that the government withdraw the dispensation, but the government replied that it would only mean an increase in imported halal meat. Apparently it didn’t occur to them that the imports should also be stopped! Halal meat is barbaric, and should neither be produced locally nor imported.

  47. says

    About black american women…yes like we don’t put fatwahs on them, we don’t bomb them, we don’t treat them like dhimmis…uh…yeah I think since Martin Luther King to Obama…I think we have come a long way. Now Muslims…..still live in the 7th century…. Look at the middle east and their sharia laws

  48. says

    @ Yom_al_Juma

    You are absolutely right.
    West has done a lot of awful things too.

    The only difference between West and Middle East is that slavery was practiced in spite of the New Testament teachings but is still practiced due to and in accord with precepts of the Koran.And what is more important to the holy image of the founder.

    To be a good slave owner and a killer of anyone who disagree with you one had to be a VERY bad Christian but to be a good Muslim who tries to emulate the founder one has to be a slave owner, or at the very least to treat his wive and children as slaves, and a killer of all the infidels.

    Can you tell the difference?

    Yes, West has done a lot of awful things too.West is not any better than the Middle East at all, but it tries to be.

    Can you see that within Islamic ideological framework a decent person can try to do the same only by being an apostate? And risking to be killed.

    I would say that from this point of view the original source of Islam was the Devil.

    I agree absolutely with Muslims that there is nothing in common between God of the Gospels and Allah. Though I cannot tell the same about
    Yahweh of the Old Testament and Allah. They look alike and their precepts are the same in essence.

  49. says

    @ Yom_al_Juma

    You are absolutely right.
    West has done a lot of awful things too.

    The only difference between West and Middle East is that slavery was practiced in spite of the New Testament teachings but is still practiced due to and in accord with precepts of the Koran.And what is more important to the holy image of the founder.

    To be a good slave owner and a killer of anyone who disagree with you one had to be a VERY bad Christian but to be a good Muslim who tries to emulate the founder one has to be a slave owner, or at the very least to treat his wive and children as slaves, and a killer of all the infidels.

    Can you tell the difference?

    Yes, West has done a lot of awful things too.West is not any better than the Middle East at all, but it tries to be.

    Can you see that within Islamic ideological framework a decent person can try to do the same only by being an apostate? And risking to be killed.

    I would say that from this point of view the original source of Islam was the Devil.

    I agree absolutely with Muslims that there is nothing in common between God of the Gospels and Allah. Though I cannot tell the same about
    Yahweh of the Old Testament and Allah. They look alike and their precepts are the same in essence.

  50. says

    @ Yom_al_Juma

    You are absolutely right.
    West has done a lot of awful things too.

    The only difference between West and Middle East is that slavery was practiced in spite of the New Testament teachings but is still practiced due to and in accord with precepts of the Koran.And what is more important to the holy image of the founder.

    To be a good slave owner and a killer of anyone who disagree with you one had to be a VERY bad Christian but to be a good Muslim who tries to emulate the founder one has to be a slave owner, or at the very least to treat his wive and children as slaves, and a killer of all the infidels.

    Can you tell the difference?

    Yes, West has done a lot of awful things too.West is not any better than the Middle East at all, but it tries to be.

    Can you see that within Islamic ideological framework a decent person can try to do the same only by being an apostate? And risking to be killed.

    I would say that from this point of view the original source of Islam was the Devil.

    I agree absolutely with Muslims that there is nothing in common between God of the Gospels and Allah. Though I cannot tell the same about
    Yahweh of the Old Testament and Allah. They look alike and their precepts are the same in essence.

  51. says

    @ Yom_al_Juma

    You are absolutely right.
    West has done a lot of awful things too.

    The only difference between West and Middle East is that slavery was practiced in spite of the New Testament teachings but is still practiced due to and in accord with precepts of the Koran. And what is more important with the “holy” image of the founder.

    To be a good slave owner and a killer of anyone who disagree with you one had to be a VERY bad Christian but to be a good Muslim who tries to emulate the founder one has to be a slave owner, or at the very least to treat his wive and children as slaves, and a killer of all the infidels.

    Can you tell the difference?

    Yes, West has done a lot of awful things too.West is not any better than the Middle East at all, but it tries to be.

    Can you see that within Islamic ideological framework a decent person can try to do the same only by being an apostate? And risking to be killed.

    I would say that from this point of view the original source of Islam was the Devil.

    I agree absolutely with Muslims that there is nothing in common between God of the Gospels and Allah. Though I cannot tell the same about
    Yahweh of the Old Testament and Allah. They look alike and their precepts are the same in essence.

  52. says

    That would be four times, and anyway, think about what?

    Philippians 4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

    Alternatively, thinking about Islam is something that I find most disagreeable and absolutely against Philippians 4:8, but it is something that must be done if the West is to survive.

    One of the things that I find most admirable about Mr. Spencer is his ability to think about and dig into the Koran and all of the related writings. Sifting through all of the lies and confusion that surround Islam is truly a gargantuan and mind-numbing task.

  53. says

    Regarding networking to those who are not in “the choir”, would it be possible to create some Jihad Watch version of LinkedIn ? Just a thought. While I forward many links to folks that might not be aware of these things, there still must be a better way of networking?
    Merry Christmas to all!

  54. says

    Don’t forget women circumsicion. I once told a liberal progressive coworker about an African muslim women seeking asylum in the US because of the clitoris mutilation that was performed in her native country—and I was waiting for her reply….which was pretty much we don’t have the right to judge other cultures. My jaws dropped and I was too stunned…it was like talking to a tree stump. She did not pursue it further because she did not have any justification other than the mantra of MC. Fine example of feminism with moral truths. And we wonder why they hate Sarah Palin…..even the liberal emasculated guys chant the same feminist mantra. Mind you these were college educated libs.

  55. says

    hahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahah!!!!!!

    can this be trying to get one over someone but at the same time shooting your own toes…..and not only once but twice by equating sex slave with muslim practices….then finding that the sex slave itself was purpetrated by muslims….is there a term for this goofiness.

  56. says

    Leo

    you regard the ‘allah’ of the Arabs, and YHWH of the Hebrew scriptures, as being identical and teaching the same things? Really?

    But what possible identity could there be between a consummate liar and deceiver (allah) and a faithful covenant-maker-and-keeper (YHWH) who keeps covenant unilaterally, even when His human partners betray it? Between a deity that *does not* teach ‘love your neighbour as yourself’…and one that *does* (the verse ‘love your neighbour as yourself’ is from the Pentateuch).

    sorry, mate, you’re way off (and incidentally: the claim that the God of Israel is not the God of Jesus, is a very ancient heresy, that of Marcion, which when first proposed, way back when, was roundly rejected by the Church).

    Jacques Ellul doesn’t agree with you; Ellul argues very cogently that allah has nothing whatever to do with the God worshipped by Jews and by Christians. See (if you read French) his essay, ‘Les trois piliers du conformisme’, in a booklet called ‘Islam et Judeo-Christianisme'; he systematically explodes any attempt to conflate the Biblical YHWH with the Islamic allah.

    Franz Rosenzweig doesn’t agree with you: he classifies Christians *and Jews* together, as people who confess a God who self-reveals to His people out of love, in relationship; while classifying Islam as a species of paganism, that is, as a *non-biblical* faith, with a remotely unknowable and non-self-revealing god. See ‘The Star of Redemption’.

    For more on the deep continuity between the God of Israel and the God of the Christians, and the enormous debt that is owed, by ‘the West’, to ‘Jerusalem’ and to the Jews, see Tom Cahill, ‘The Gifts of the Jews'; and to discover that YHWH is a liberator of slaves (rather than, as ‘allah’ is, an inscrutable and monstrous slavemaster and maker of slaves), see Joshua Berman’s article, ‘God’s Alliance With Man’, which unpacks, beautifully, the shatteringly revolutionary meaning of the Sinai covenant. See also Mark Durie’s brilliantly concise discussion of the bottomless gulf between the Muslims’ ‘god’ on the one hand, and the Biblical God (that is, the God who is testified to, within both the Hebrew [Jewish] and Greek [Christian] scriptures) on the other – “Revelation? Do We Worship the Same God?”

    Yeshua of Nazareth was and is a Jew, through and through; as such, it was YHWH whom he called ‘Abba, Father’ (among his final words on the Cross is a passage from the Hebrew Psalms, Psalm 31, ‘Into thy hands I commit my spirit’.) It was Moses and Elijah to whom he spoke, under the cloud of the divine glory (the shekhinah) on the mountain of Transfiguration.

    YHWH is ‘God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob’ *and*, for Christians, ‘God and Father of Jesus the Messiah’.