But will prison officials do anything to keep this from happening in the future? What do you think? "Making license plates and terrorists," an unsigned editorial from the New York Post, January 23:
It should come as no surprise that up to three dozen American Islamists re vealed this week to have skipped off to terror training camps in Yemen were radicalized in US prisons.The surprise would be if corrections officials did anything about it.
According to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, intelligence indicates that some 36 Americans who converted to Islam in prison have departed for the al Qaeda hotbed in the past year, claiming to want to study Arabic.
Intelligence officials told the committee that they'd lost track of some of the men, who they believe have slipped away to al Qaeda training camps.
This is a big problem, the report says, "because of the potential threat from extremists carrying American passports and the related challenges involved in detecting and stopping homegrown operatives."
No kidding.
Indeed, such study-abroad programs for homegrown jihadists seem to be all the rage these days. Last month, five Muslim students from Virginia were arrested in Pakistan as they tried to rendezvous with al Qaeda.
But what's especially outrageous about the Yemen 36 is the very real possibility that they were fed their poison by folks collecting government paychecks as Muslim chaplains....
Lady Liberty: Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free...
Islam: Give me your murderers, thieves, kidnappers and frauds,
Yearning to slay their jailors...
So are we saying Homeland Security has not been given strong enough powers to stop these liberal actions in US Prisons.
An agency of the United States Government who employs over 200,000 Americans and they don't have the power to shut down the liberal activities going on in our prison system in defense of our nation? Where are their far reaching tentacles that are necessary to our defense?
How many other potential threats within our own borders are apparently off limits for the powers granted to Homeland security chief Janet Napolitano who was asked a question last week along with the US intellignce director and the FBI; did any of you get access to the underwear bomber before AG Holder allowed him to lawyer up (clam up)??-- the answer from all 3 of them was a flat and resounding "NO".
HOW MUCH MORE CAN THE AMERICAN PEOPLE STOMACH ON POLITICAL CORRECTNESS which is our achilles heal when even the military cannot break away from this debilitating disease after the ridiculous Fort Hood Report.
This seems to be good news - what am I missing? A bunch of 36 thugs/losers convert to Islam, and after being released, leave the US for Yemen.
Sounds good to me - just make sure they can't come back.
If 36 prison converts, victims of Da'wa conducted by Muslim chaplains (who are paid for by you and by me), or by others (all Muslims are supposed to tirelessly proselytize, and some do, especially those True Believers in prison, with Time On Their Hands), have gone off to Yemen, how many have gone off to other places abroad, such as Afghanistan, or Pakistan, or Somalia, or Iraq?
And if 36 prison converts or, islamice, reverts, have gone off to Yemen, how many didn't go anywhere, but are still in prison, or back in prison, spreading the word, or out on the street, spreading the word,and what's more, perhaps engaged not only in non-violent Jihad (which is dangerous enough) but planning and plotting and scheming and dreaming of acts of terror right here, right here at home.
- just make sure they can't come back.
THAT'S the major issue (along with killing US Servicemen overseas). The government can't even keep out foreign nationals who trip enough red flags to make a bull charge.
The prison officials will do nothing about it because prisoners are protected by 'freedom of religion'...This prohibits correctional officers from correcting anything to do with recruiting religious converts...The social workers, society engineers, lawyers, community organizers, and religious people, invaded the prison system, and have decided that religion is good for criminals, and have made it a 'right' for them...
I would prefer that all prison is hard time, to discourage Recidivism... with no religion, ice cream socials, or bingo games...Just digging and filling holes, and breaking up rocks...
Hugh hits the nail on the head, again.
http://freemendo.typepad.com/undaunted/2009/03/get-your-shit-in-one-bag.html
OT Obama rant. If he had any special touch with Islam (or peace) Yemen should be a chance to let fly some articulated middle east visions for the future??
Yesterday he said "I'm not going to walk away just because it's hard" (healthcare)
hmmm, zero negotiation skills.
Obama moved into the WH with two mothers and an anti-establishment streak, that's not enough tools in the toolbox.
According to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, intelligence indicates that some 36 Americans who converted to Islam in prison have departed for the al Qaeda hotbed in the past year, claiming to want to study Arabic.
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Isn't it amazing how many people eager to "study Arabic" head to a country with a literacy rate of barely 50% to do so? sarc/off
Mackie wrote:
So are we saying Homeland Security has not been given strong enough powers to stop these liberal actions in US Prisons.
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Mackie, generally I agree that it is "liberal actions" that have tended to enable the Jihad, but this is one of the few cases where I believe this idiocy is largely 'bipartisan'.
Sure, liberals want Imams in the prisons as a point of 'multiculturalism'—but so too do many conservatives.
Many conservatives are convinced that inmates and ex-cons do better if exposed to religion. And there are statistics to back this up—if the religions in question are Christianity or Judaism. I'm sure at least some benefit from exploring other religions as well, such as Buddhism, perhaps, or Native American spirituality.
But Islam is lumped into these statistics—despite the fact that Islam *teaches* violence, resentment and revenge—the very last things that those in prison need to hear.
I doubt many of the advocates of religion in the prisons—*including Islam°—even realize this.
Where have we gone wrong ?
Take these 3 dozen above as an example.
A while ago this would not have occured.
Main street comprised of the Hardware store, the grocer, the draper, the barber, the TV and repair shop, etc, etc.
We used to have the affrontery to socialise with each other and should a concern over something suspicious arise then it would have been brought to the local law officer's attention.
To- day, given most small towns have had their hearts ripped out and surrendering to Malls on outskirts, we don't seem to have anywhere to regroup.
We thought we had found solice in our elected representatives and yet this Liberal madness continues.
So :
Big business + Big government + Big ideas + Big promises + Big spending + Incredibly Big Socialist idealogy.
=
36 Americans allowed to freely meander out of prison and make their way to the promised land (Yemen, would you please !) where they will no doubt enlighten the grateful masses as to how in 2010 you can do anything you want in America because the whole infastructure has collapsed.
So,
"Anyone for the American Dream"? - It's very, very liberal.
I could also be that Islam gives a great opportunity to get back on the "unjust" society that gave the prison sentence, not that I consent, but I could imagine there are some prisoners that have a craving for revenge, and any radical ideology would do as an excuse.
I could also be that Islam gives a great opportunity to get back on the "unjust" society that gave the prison sentence, not that I consent, but I could imagine there are some prisoners that have a craving for revenge, and any radical ideology would do as an excuse.
It's simple really. If death and destruction is what you seek, islam is the way to go.
Why don't we ban dawa allover the Western world?
Infidel Pride--
That was just exactly what I was thinking.
As nice as it would be to ban dawa, it would be hard to do, if we want to maintain our own freedom of speech. Oh, the rabble rousers could be put down as inciters to violence, but the squishy Islam-means-peace BS doesn't qualify.
This is what happens when the letter of the law is observed, but the spirit thrown out.
"I would prefer that all prison is hard time, to discourage Recidivism... with no religion, ice cream socials, or bingo games...Just digging and filling holes, and breaking up rocks..."
lol. No Johnny Cash, either?
Until the U.S. starts fighting Islam, the ideology, we're going to keep losing. You can't fight the enemy successfully if you don't understand the enemy.
@ duh swami - Christianity has been pushed and free bibles have been being given away in prisons long before any muslims asked for the right to have korans. It's not something recent that the 'liberals' have done. (looks like graven image said something similar to this before me). Also, it's easy to say those things about 'being tough on prisoners', but as a person who (ashamedly) spent some time in a county jail, I can tell you that it's not as easy as most conservatives portray it be. Actually, it's mostly incredibly boring. And putting prisoners to hard labor is illegal in most states (as it should be) because it very easily slips over the line and becomes abusive. I was in the 'work program' for a week under fairly unrestricted conditions and even then the guards were abusive bastards.
Let us not be as the muslims. Let us have compassion towards our fellow humans, even the ones who have fallen low.
@Fancy Dan - Strange that you should include Big business as part of your formula leading to socialism. Or Big Spending. The Republicans are have been in bed with the corporations for the last 50 years and spending under Reagan and the 2 Bushes rose much faster than under democratic administrations. (not that I like the Dems any better, I'm just sayin'...)
Ray you said that spending under Republicans rose faster. Some of that is true but look at just Obama/Pelosi spending. It dwarfs anythning we have seen. That by the way does not excuse the incompetence of Bush. As far as whos in bed with who, please take a look at opensecrets.org if you want to see how both parties are lying in some of the same beds.
As for the prison jihaddis, I have a friend who does prison ministry in seven Georgia prisons. He said that the last two prisons he went to he and the wardens discussed the Islam issue. They want him there as a counter to the proselytizing. He also says there is a shortage of Christian Missionaries for the prison field. For so many years now "Evangelicals" have been getting such a bad rap it's no wonder. When we Baptists proselytize we might invite you to a barbecue, not a jihad traning camp.
I wonder how many of these guys went to the Al-Fuqra training camps like Islamberg in upstate New York. If they did wouldn't these scum be guilty of supplying material aid to a terrorist grouping?
If you are trying to decide what charitable donations might do the most good, those to pay for Christian chaplains in prisons, and for visits to prisons by such people as the Lost Boys of the Sudan (Francis Bok, and other black African survivors of Arab Muslim Jihad), should be high on the list.
Of course, in a better world, with more intelligent rulers, Islam would be identified properly not as a religion but as a Total Belief-System, one whose spread within any Infidel nation inevitably, inexorably, means greater danger for the legal and political institutions of the Infidel nation-state, and greater expense, greater unpleasantness, greater physical insecurity for the Infidels whose nation it is, a nation built by those who could not, for one minute, have existed or achieved what they did under Islam.
Please indulge this shameless link to yettanuther islam news site but it is a good way to view the best of the best (IMHO) by Pamela, Robert, and others.
It is important that each of us get the real word out about the violence of islam to our families and friends. How else to counter the Words of the Serpent as preached by islamic "chaplains" in prisons and on military bases?
NVUH
Undaunted, I followed your link, read it, and I believe in your assesment of the presing situation. It's only a matter of time, and we must decide now on how are we going to act when the shit hits the fan in our neighborhood.
Salud.
What a country the US is! We give our money to terror-sponsoring states for the oil and good-will, to the Chinese so they can buy our debt, and now we train jihadists and export them to countries that have a need for such products. I support a free market system but not when it works like this! It's like feeding the beast that will eventually devour you.
But what can a Muslim "chaplain" do except teach the Koran.
I really hate the way Muslims steal our words and concepts and then debase them. The example here is the word chaplain". Muslims never had chaplains. They have adopted this, and as a consequence all chaplains will be tarred by association.
What does that NVUH at the end of your posts mean?