This is what Western troops do these days instead of fighting battles. "The restoration of the Mosque shows local people that the Afghan National Security Force and ISAF are there to help..." What the British don't understand is that inside the mosque they will still preach hatred of Britain and the U.S. as Infidels, no matter how helpful those Infidels have been to them. "British Assist To Repair Mosque," from MoDOracle, January 15 (thanks to Twostellas):
A bullet riddled mosque in Sangin has been repaired and kitted out with brand new washing facilities and a school building by British troops working with the Afghan National Army.After many years of conflict the mosque outside Patrol Base Pylae was in poor repair with no well to gather water for washing before prayers and bullet holes in the crumbling exterior walls. Local children, who go to the mosque to learn to read and write, had to sit outside to do their lessons....
The repairs at the Sangin mosque have given a big boost to attendance figures. Now at least 30 children spend most of their day there and afternoon prayer times are particularly busy.
The restoration of the Mosque shows local people that the Afghan National Security Force and ISAF are there to help and demonstrates that the government can improve their lives, something that the insurgents cannot offer.
Let me think of an equivalent.................
Okay, this is like British Commandos, during World War II, taking an afternoon off to fix a pillbox for the Nazis.
It's too bad they have to do stuff like this to try and win over the trust of afghan elders and villagers, But like the war itself It will be an exercise in futillity, My son came back from his second tour of duty in the Ghan as they so call it, and was telling me Quite a few younger people do want to be on board with the rest of the world which actually helped him cope with the Idea that they were not welcome there. Its all still hard to believe though, because there are so many that don't want our troops there. When they used to set up check points, not only were there afghan people there, there were people from all muslim countries, as well as the USA and Canada, and Austrailia ect, All these people had some explaining to do..as why they were there in a war zone and they were not journalist..They were there to take pot shots in the name of jihad, all were Muslims. The other thing was He left with good intensions and dissagreed with my views on Islam. and when he returned actually had the same views..Imagine that.
"Look! The kafir are repairing our mosque! Surely it is a sign that Allah is darkening the minds of the infidels and victory is at hand -- we must fight with all our strength!" Yeah, that'll work.
Stuck on stupid.
Edited to reflect Afghan reality, this is how part of the article should read:
A mosque is the focal point of communities in Afghanistan and is not only used for daily prayers, for men only, but also a place for elders, who are males only, to meet to discuss the issues affecting their families, with females not allowed any input, and for children, boys only, to learn.
The repairs at the Sangin mosque have given a big boost to attendance figures. Now at least 30 children, boys only, spend most of their day there and afternoon prayer times, for men only, are particularly busy.
It's possible that this mosque and community are relatively enlightened, and women and girls are give equal status with males -- if so, I'd be very glad to hear it. Otherwise, the reality of female oppression and gender apartheid as practised in Afghanistan has been given a big boost by these efforts of British troops.
sad but not surprising how we (the collective we, not the personal we) grovel grovel grovel.
Have you seen this bit of information from the Jerusalem Post, on how our friends in Iraq are erasing the Hebrew inscriptions and all Jewish signs of connecton to the monument over the tomb of Ezekiel and will bild a mosque there. Similar activity has been conducted for many decades by the Waqf on Temple Mount in Jersualem--erasing clear signs of the Second Temple. Here is a link to the Post article.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1263147896786&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
"Stuck on stupid"
Agreed. The Mohammedans can fix their own mosque.
Afghanistan: British troops help repair mosque
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Will the pious Muslims now have to reconsecrate their mosque now that it has been touched by the filthy kufr? Or does the point of compelling clueless Infidels to labor to repair your mosque render it Halal?
Another question for Ask the Imam!
They think they deserve the help. We are slaves to them. Our money is for their use. Allah willing. Their Superiority combined with Victumhood is constantly preached in the mosques, right?
Well, if we're not happy with the magnitude of problems we already have, why not spend some more to increase them?
Taxpayers' money being spent, as usual.
We had this debate in Denmark a while ago. Our supposedly conservative government bought right into the deception, quoting the village elders for wanting mosques more than schools.
While my party protested, it was obvious that the Danish government had not even figured out that schools are more useful than mosques...
I hope they have included some hidden cameras and microphones in the reconstruction of the mosque.
Watching and listening to what goes on could be most enlightening.
Preaching hatred of the infidels during the day and evening classes in "AK-47 Maintenance" and "IEDs for Beginners" might be very popular.
sorry...that should be Victimhood.
Merriam-Webster Dictionary Results: victimhood1 results for: victimhood
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1. living being sacrificed to a deity or in the performance of a religious rite
Chilling...n'est-ce pas?
While repairing mosques should not be a top priority for ISAF forces, to the extent that they can feasibly and prudently do so is a tribue to them and a good, just work to be acclaimed.
Mr. Spencer, how about producing the solid proof that this mosque has featured and will continue to feature speakers who are preaching hate of American and British infidels? And if you don't have such proof to offer, how does any standard of professionalism and ethics justify such claims?
Allah knows best!
lol (re: first paragraph)
Next, all mosques "preach hate" as this is what the Koran teaches and mosque preachers follow the Koran.
Duh. A total no-brainer. Here's your "solid proof": the Koran. It's called "printed evidence."
"poor repair with no well to gather water for washing before prayers"
You really have to hand it to Muhammad creating such a system where the victims undergo such constant reinforcing activity further brainwashing them into perpetually following his crazed system. From the standpoint of the victim (the follower of Islam) each time they "wash before prayers" it makes it seem as though what is in actuality praying to Satan, is such a sacred and important act that they need to wash beforehand.
But as far as the mosque itself, it is surprising that these sick people even will use the mosque after filthy infidels put their dirty hands all over it fixing it or whatever it is they did. I guess they are desperate enough but you know it has to be a constant nagging pain every time they remember that infidels messed with their mosque.
What the military should be doing is razing each and every mosque. And then telling the people that they are no longer going to be forced to be a Muslim, that they can do whatever they want, and give out bibles, and other books for Buddhism or anything else. If this was at least attempted in one Muslim country then it could be analyzed later to see if it worked and whether a similar approach should be taken in other places subjugated by Islam.
Look, I think you guys are all being a little negative and pessimistic about this development.
If the Brits don't repair the mosque, where are little Afghanis going to go to learn how to hate Westerners and unbelievers?
I mean, except home, school and the playground. And TV and radio. Newspapers. Books. Children's stories. Town meetings.
Just curious:
How many Christian Churches have coalition troops helped to repair in Iraq, and Afghanistan?
Anybody want to take a shot at that answer?
Sounds like NAMBLA. And apparently that is how it plays out in much of the Islamic world. Very strange indeed. But it does explain, along with the strange role of "mothers" in Islam, the permanent and irreparable damage done to males which renders them incapable of rising up against the scourges of Islam and in far too many cases being willing to kill themselves for Islam.
What idiotic commander ordered this bloody nonsense, if mools want thier mosque repaired let them do it ! But why should they when the filthy kuffar can do it for them, perhaps we should now build them new mosques so even more of them can pray to thier filthy moon god.I believe that the Taj Mahal was constructed by Christian slaves and a mixture of other unfortunates the the dome was actually designed by a Christian Architect as the mools had lost the ability to make the neccesary calculations. Can anyone let me know if this is correct ?
Salam,
I think anything that helps the children of Afghan in a POSITIVE way has to be good, regardless of what Mr. Darcy here thinks.
The children can now be out of the sun whilst praying, & can get a refreshing wash before prayers, that's goodness.
It couldn't have taken the army much time to do the repairs...so where's the harm...so well done the army.
Some persons here talked about giving out Bibles....that I'm afraid is not a positive suggestion. Before long the British will leave so why raise the ante....these children are not as conversant with the Bible like me....and could be manipulated.
There is no need to set up any more Rifqa Bary cases is there?
"What the British don't understand is that inside the mosque they will still preach hatred of Britain and the U.S. as Infidels, no matter how helpful those Infidels have been to them."
The scientific method at work...
Do you even bother with evidence and facts anymore, Mr. Spencer? The mosque WILL preach hatred of infidels because its a mosque?
Perhaps the most POSITIVE way to help the children of Afghanistan would be to NOT bring them up as Muslims, use the reconstructed building as a school and have no imams as teachers.
The children can now be out of the sun whilst LEARNING & can get a refreshing wash before LEARNING, that's goodness.
Giving out Qurans is not a positive suggestion, that way they are certain to be manipulated. Before long the British will leave and will, I'm sure, be delighted to do so. What better lasting benefit could they leave behind in Afghanistan than a generation of children that are educated, can think for themselves and do not believe that unquestioning hatred of others is a way of life and full-time occupation. Don't bother with Bibles, the children can work out if they want to follow a particular religion when they are older and educated enough to make the decision.
PS: Memorising and reciting the Quran in Arabic is not education but indoctrination).
I think anything that helps the children of Afghan in a POSITIVE way has to be good.
Fully agree. Schools, not mosques.
If Islamic prayer in the sunshine is bad for the kids, just don't do it.
Repurcussions for that?
None. I never, ever saw Allah intervene anywhere.
You're conversant with the Bible? Afghan children could be manipulated? There is no real need to criticize your inanities because you are a parody of yourself.
Its all still hard to believe though, because there are so many that don't want our troops there. When they used to set up check points, not only were there afghan people there, there were people from all muslim countries, as well as the USA and Canada, and Austrailia ect,
Your son understood implicitly what this was all about, though he may have been idealistically innocent when he went to the Ghan. Now he likely also knows of other Islamic 'virtues' such as takiyya deceits, and calling "innocents" only their own, never the infidel non-believers. To study Islam in depth is to either be revolted by it, or be taken in by the forces of darkness of their barbaric 7th century Mohamedan cult of Allah. Some go that way, though most are naturally repulsed by the evil. As your son discovered, the evil draws miscreant cult adherents from all over the world.
Thanks for sharing your story.
Pure BS.
The jihaddis are constantly doing various things for the locals, not the least of which is handing out cash -- when they are not slaughtering, beating them or raping them.
Whether the author is making this stuff up, or simply taking dictation from somebody else who is, I can't even guess.
But is is certainly untrue.
I sure hope the soldiers don't believe that crap, or that what they are doing will help them.
One has to remember that to the mohammedan mind the rest of us are inferiors. Acting in the service of mohammedans is simply our place in life, not something for mohammedans to be grateful for.
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Our elites have to be brought to heel before they get us all killed.
"There is no need to set up any more Rifqa Bary cases is there?"
Actually there is a dire need to set up millions upon millions more Rifqa Barry cases. At some point, those subjugated under Islam are going to have to fight and claw their way out from under the octopus that is Islam. In small numbers they can only save themselves individually but if they ever reach large numbers they can begin to stand up to Islam.
Within the mosque the imams will preach the Quran, which preaches hatred of infidels.
Would you like to offer evidence and facts that this is not the case?
As Allah already claims to have talking rocks and trees as infidel detectors in his inventory I don't think a hatred-preaching mosque should be too much of a problem.
This particular and painfully significant angle on our misbegotten battles lacking a head in a sound war doctrine has been reported, analyzed and wittily mocked in dozens of essays by Diana West on her blog (and I don't say "literally" like the "literally couple" played by Michael McDonald and Nicole Sullivan on MAD TV -- I mean "literally" literally!).
The Mosque is where the evil and hateful teachings of the Qu'ran are diseminated.
The Mosque is the synagogue of Satan the House of the Devil.
Let the Afghan Muslims do their own repairs.
When was the last time the followers of Islam helped to repair a Church?
Never,but they certainly have and continue to burn and destroy Christian Churches.
If every Mosque was raised to the ground the world would be a safer and more peaceful
place.
When was the last time the followers of Islam helped to repair a Church?
That bears repeating.
Tearing down crosses and churches, however, they do with glee.
You Hater forget one point in your blind hater of Islam that Islam is now the largest religion on this planet according to the CIA, the many christian faith do make up 33% to Islam 21.7% I believe, the many christian faith historal never got along with each other and many donot recognite the rite that make one than christian from than other sect.All Islamist Sects recognite the rite that make one muslim even it done by than other sect and all the Islamist sects share in common 99% beliefs which are common to all. Pat Robston sure put both legs in his mounth with his comment about Haiti.
Kuffar_England,
In true Western thought, as opposed to amoral, fantasy Star Chambers, people do not have to prove negatives. Rather the burden of proof in on the one leveling an accusation, assuming the person believes in fundamental Western values. Perhaps, that doesn't apply to you?
Well, in any event, you're in luck. Since you're so interested in Tafsir exposition with regard to non-Muslims and whether there is any possible, plausible case that pure, total hatred toward non-Muslims in not mandated, I thought I'd include some ideas on the topic from Yusuf Qaradhawi, who is generally considered one of the leading, authoritative, Islamic authorities of our time. He may even know more about Islam that you do. If you disagree with what he says here, I trust you'll draw on a plethora of Islamic thought and spirituality to clearly and incisively illustrate how your differing view is much more authentic and superior to that of Qaradhawi:
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In calling (da’wa) others with wisdom and beautiful preaching and arguing with that which is best, which the Muslims are required to do – it is advisable (particularly in the age of globalisation) to not address those whom we differ with, as kuffar, even though we believe that they are so. This is especially in the case of the People of the Book (Christians and Jews).
This is so due to two reasons
Firstly: The word kuffar has a number of meanings some of which we definitely do not intend [when addressing People of the Book]. From amongst these meanings is to deny Allah, his prophets and the abode of the hereafter (Jannah). As is the case with materialists who do not believe in anything beyond that which can be sensed and so do not believe in the existence of a Lord, or prophets, or the hereafter.
When we talk about the ‘People of the Book’ we do not intend to describe them with this meaning of kufr, rather what we mean is that they are kuffar with respect to the prophethood of Muhammad and his deen, and this is a reality just as they believe that we are ‘kuffar’ with respect to what they believe and that is also a reality.
Secondly: The Qur’an has taught us not to address people with the name of kufr even if they are kuffar. The address that the Qur’an uses for non-believers from amongst the people is either O mankind or O children of Adam, or O my slaves, or O People of the Book.
The Qur’an does not address (khitab) them with the title of Kufr except in two ayahs (verses) – one of them is addressing them on the Day of Judgement: ‘(They will say), “O you Unbelievers! Make no excuses this Day! You are being but requited for all that you did!”‘ (Surah al-Tahrim : 7).
And the other one is Surah al-Kafirun ‘Say: O you that reject Faith! I worship not that, which you worship, Nor will you worship that which I worship, And I will not worship that which you have been wont to worship, Nor will you worship that which I worship. To you is your Way, and to me mine.’
This address was to the polytheists (mushrik) who asked the Prophet to worship their gods one year, in return for them worshipping his God (Allah) for another. So the surah was intended to cut their efforts off in a sharp and conclusive manner that leaves no room for such discussions. So Allah ordered the Prophet to address them with this powerful surah with its emphatic repetitions.
Nevertheless Allah closed the surah with this ayah which keeps the door open for tolerance of others where He says, ‘To you is your Way, and to me mine’. This is why for a long time I have preferred to address those who differ with us from other religions as ‘non-Muslims’ (ghair al-Muslimin).
I also said this on my weekly programme on Al-Jazeera (Shariah and Life), where a brother contacted me and said: “To call the kuffar non-muslims is a compromise on our part with regards non-Muslims and it is a sign of psychological defeat in front of our detractors.”
I don’t know why addressing people with gentleness using fine words are seen as a compromise? And what have we compromised? We have not compromised on our belief that our deen is the truth and that all those that do not believe in the prophethood of Muhammad is a kafir. But this is the position of every religious person. That he believes his deen to be the truth and that of others to be falsehood and his belief is not complete except by this assertion.
But this is one thing and to address your detractors with that which offends them or hurts them or repels them is another. Allah has not required this from us. Rather he requires of us the total opposite where He says, ‘Say to My servants that they should (only) say those things that are best: for Satan does sow dissensions among them: For Satan is to man an avowed enemy.’ (Surah al-Israa 53)
Therefore we as Muslims are ordered by our Lord to say a word that is best to the one we address, invite or dialogue with. It is not from ‘those things that are best’ for us to confront him and say “O you kafir”. Rather it is incumbent upon us to address his humanity and his original nature (fitra), and not to follow the evil incitement of Shaytan the clear enemy of Mankind who wants to incite evil between them and create enmity and hatred amongst them.
Some of the mufassirun (explainers of Qur’an) said the meaning of the above ayah is, “Say to my believing servants when they debate the kuffar in tawheed: to say a word that is best.” As Allah says, ‘Revile not those whom they (disbelievers) call upon besides Allah , lest they out of spite revile Allah in their ignorance’ (Surah al-An’am 108). Al-Hasan said the meaning is, to say to the disbeliever when he exceeds the proper bounds, may Allah guide you! May Allah have mercy on you!
As for the People of the Book there are specific texts which frame the dialogue and limit it to ‘that which is most beautiful’. As Allah has said, ‘And dispute not with the People of the Book, except with means better (than mere disputation), unless it be with those of them who inflict wrong (and injury): but say, “We believe in the revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you; Our God and your God is one; and it is to Him we bow (in Islam)”.’ (Surah al-Ankabut 46).
So Allah did not suffice here by simply saying ‘and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious’ (Surah al-Nahl 125), but rather the wording is ‘And dispute not with the People of the Book, except with means better’. Therefore any other response, even if it is good [but not better], is prohibited in accordance to the hukm (ruling) of this ayah.
Translated and edited by Shafiur Rahman from the book Khitaabuna al-Islami fi Asr al-‘Awlama by Dr Yusuf al-Qaradawi. Dar al-Shuruq 2nd Ed. 2008.
"You Hater forget one point in your blind hater of Islam that Islam is now the largest religion on this planet according to the CIA,"
If in fact this is true it is not surprising.There has always been more evil than good in the world.There has always been more people prone to being brainwashed and deceived.
"All Islamist Sects recognite the rite that make one muslim even it done by than other sect and all the Islamist sects share in common 99% beliefs which are common to all."
The two main sects of Islam ,Sunni and Shia have been and continue to slaughter each
other. The only unity in Islam is their hatred and intolerance for the Non-Muslim ie.. Christians, Jews, Hindus.
What I hate is Evil and Islam is Evil. If you took the time to do some basic research you would learn the truth about this Cult of Death. Unless of course you are of limited intelligence or are in a complete state of denial. Some how I think the former is more likely.
Welcome, DefenderofIslam, to the forum. You're going to be very popular and I'm sure we can expect examples of what islam truly means.
First, the amount of moslems is what now? Please post a link to your data. Here's mine:
Adherents
1. christianity - 2.1 Billion
2. islam - 1.5 billion
3. Secular/Atheist/Non-religious (My Team) 1.1 Billion
So you're clearly lying. No great surprise. Just think what an educated islamic community would mean? less moslems.
It must be really frustrating for you to see moslems leave their cult in such numbers? Do you want to vent? Break something? Kill someone?
Yeah, you do.
"I think anything that helps the children of Afghan in a POSITIVE way has to be good, regardless of what Mr. Darcy here thinks."
lol!
Read the comments. Apparently EVERYONE thinks the same way.
Nice try!
"What I hate is Evil and Islam is Evil." - Christian Soldier
Exactly. And what is Islam? The Koran. Which teaches Hate. Which is preached by the ignorant brainwashed backward imams in mosques.
"Lo! those who disbelieve, among the People of the Scripture and the idolaters, will abide in fire of hell. They are the worst of created beings." (Koran 98:6)
Just one hate-filled example among many. NO, the "disbelievers" should NOT be assisting the hate-filled barbarians, of whatever age, to build their Hate Structures. That's a no-brainer. End of story.
Yeah - you people build some churches, OK? You hypocrites. Oh, and - you idolaters, as "allah" is nothing but an Arabian pagan moon deity that doesn't exist.
Hi, why do you ramble on about esoteric subjects that no-one in thier right mind would even bother with. Islam seems to specialise in defensive, rambling and inane commentary that stems from a book that has stolen most of its ideas from other faiths and ideologies. Perhaps that is the reason you need to pontificate at great length about nebulous and incoherent doctrinal thought (if it can be graced with the name). I have never known any muslim cleric or politician give a straight answer to any question. You are no exception. You gloss over your considerable ignorance of western culture, beliefs, ideas, religion, philosophy with inanities drawn from a book with about as much relevance today as a daytrip to Brighton. The truth is that Islam provokes ignorance, laziness, war, slaughter and all round craziness in its adherents. It is not a blueprint for life but death. Everywhere it goes it spreads contempt for the other and imposes barbarism. What it cannot conquer with the sword it conquers with slyness and guile. Be aware that increasing numbers of people are becoming aware of the threat and the insidious nature that your "religion" poses.
Have a nice day.
"these children are not as conversant with the Bible like me....and could be manipulated."
Your knowledge of the Christian Bible could BARELY fit on head of a pin.
This was well established a few days ago, here at Jihad Watch.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/01/algeria-muslims-loot-and-burn-christian-church-while-police-fail-to-intervene-because-the-church-did.html#comments
The only blind people are those who will not see. If you really think that the Koran is the word of god then you are seriously mistaken. People on this site are by and large well educated and cognisant of the facts regarding your "religion. The fact that you choose to continue worshipping a pedophile, rapist, butcher shows your continuing ignorance and that of your fellow adherents. The fact that large tracts of humanity worship this "diety" is a sad reflection on humanity. After all Flies eat excrement but that does not mean it tastes good.
Have a nice day.
fairuzfan:
When are you going to come out of the closet and admit to being a muslim? Why the charade?!
Not quite the taqiyya artist, are you? ...sorry, you're still just a taqiyya amateur.
imnokuffar,
Is there any chance that your post was just some kind of weird, tastless joke? Please.
Obviously I know more about the West and am more committed to it via its normative religious truth, traditions, and values, than, it would seem you could ever hope to. You can't even figure out my religion, or have the minimal cognitive synapses-firing faculties to inquire.
You have a choice: you can either be a dignified human being who pursues the Beatific Vision, or a brainless, knuckle-dragger who can do little more than pound his chest and wait for Mr. Spencer to dispense his next banana.
Your choice.
fairuzfan : You have a choice: you can either be a...[SNIP]
They are only your given choices. Here's a third: Be an independent thinker.
Oh what selfless hogs. Me thinks they placed a pig-in-the-poke under the mantel. For shame these ruthless infidels, invading the sacturay of the sty.
Stop playing games ....
Either inform the audience of what you Are, or assume the responsibility of having presented yourself as either a muslim, or at the very least, a muslim apologist.
Whatever you Are, it's obvious that you're only here to deride Robert and other posters ...and all on the heals of yesterday's "promise" to change how you relate to other JW posters. Hmp! ...so much for that promise.
Well, whatever you Are, it's clear that you Aren't a man/woman of his/her word.
"Islam is now the largest religion on this planet according to the CIA, the many christian faith do make up 33% to Islam 21.7% I believe"
@DefenderofIslam:If Christians in the world are at 33.32% and Muslims at 21.01% (the actual figure from the CIA World Factbook) then you can believe what you like, but simple math says you're just plain wrong.
FAIRUZFAN:
Did you, or did you not, make this statement yesterday:
"It's heartening to know that there's at least some sector of folks on here who, while they may well disagree with me in a number of matters, at least are prepared to be reasonably thoughtful in the process. We all need to avoid painting with too broad a brush, myself included. You're a tribute to Jihad Watch."
...and I can provide the thread, if need be.
So, rate yourself, fairuzfan ...are you avoiding painting with too broad a brush? And, are you keeping yesterday's promise to do better yourself? Lastly, are you a "tribute to Jihad Watch"?
...heel, not "heal" ..whatever
Further to what MrsJ wrote, how many of those same moslems only said they were moslem for a quiet life?
[ ] 50%
[ ] 75%
[ ] 90%
Just imagine how big any other religion would be if they forced people to join if born into it and then killed anyone who left. Islam, as utterly pathetic as it is, offering nothing to followers or the world, really would shrivel up and die in a matter of a few generations if it was not that it forces people into it and the only way out for most is death. It would be interesting to know what percentage of so-called Muslims really truly hate Islam and would leave if they had the chance. My guess would be to say that conservatively, at least half would choose to not be a Muslim, but it could very well be much higher than that. What person in their right mind would willingness choose to be a Muslim? It has to be the smallest insignificant number imaginable.
Islam is the Cuba of religions -- a gulag where adherants are converted by the sword, and apostates are hunted down like animals.
Think of the tens of thousands of beautiful Europeans--my ancestors--captured by the slave-trading muslims--castrated little boys to pleasure their muslim masters, little girls to stock their harems, young men to fight on the front lines of their wars against their own Christian blood. This is the way in which Islam swelled their ranks in Europe.
Violence is the currency of the moslem, They have chosen to live and die by the sword. Their history is one of brutality and misery--against others, against themselves.
They are not the inheritors of Abraham's covenant. "Your inheritance is through Isaac." Either you believe the Bible, or you believe the Qu'ran. They speak opposites.
"Violence is the currency of the moslem, They have chosen to live and die by the sword."
Sure they live by the sword but the West is not willing to make sure they die by the sword, or the bomb, or the whatever. Instead we will let them live by the sword and by our tax dollars, soldiers lives and limbs, building up their countries in the psychotic delusion that we will democratize them. Live by the sword, and the idiot infidels' resources.
Violence is the currency of the moslem.
The civilized world uses money...
How to wage war with defeat as the goal: When fighting an enemy united by an ideology (Islam) that has you as the eternal despised enemy (the kufar), make certain that you honor the enemy's ideology and shore it up.
Had we done this with German Nazism (an ideology) and Japan's supremacist, militant "divine" Emperor-worship (an ideology), we could have achieved the same goal that we are striving for in rebuilding Islamic lands without destroying the ideology that makes them our enemies: Defeat.
Medina : Either you believe the bible, or you believe the quran. They speak opposites.
What is it with people and these idiotic 'two-option' questions?
Here's another option: Believe neither. Think for yourself.
In the past I have written about my friend who joined the International Solidarity Movement, and who was, I think very badly treated.
In the process of doing this another memory has surfaced about something he told me .
A few hours after his arriving in Nabulus, my friend, and a group of other first time ISM’ers was being lead through the city on foot .
The Palestinian children took this as an occasion to come out, and. . . throw rocks at them!
My friend interpreted this as “boys being boys” and trying to impress him with their throwing skill because the rocks, pebbles actually, were hitting the same spot on his body repeatedly.
I took his explanation at face value until I began asking myself common sense questions like;
“If Samir Quantar or Yasser Arafat came to town, would they throw pebbles at them?”
I do not know of any other society that allows its children to throw rocks at you when you come to HELP them.
"All Islamist Sects recognite the rite that make one muslim even it done by than other sect and all the Islamist sects share in common 99% beliefs which are common to all."
DefenderofIslam, please save your gibberish for the mosque, and about your 'special powers' (can see blind hate)
you probably already know, but stay away from mirrors.
Hi there, the only wierd tasteless joke on this site is you !
Obviously you do not know more about the west and its normative religious traditions or you would not be a Muslim.You also seem to have an unwarranted high opinion of your cognitive faculties. As with all Muslims you have swallowed the whole kit and caboodle of Muslim doctrine that, by the way, cannot be questioned as it is the unalloyed word of God. How does this mesh with rational inquiry as posed by western philosopy and religion that you claim to understand so well ?
You are quite correct that I have a choice and I have made it. I would sooner eat my own excrement than become a Muslim or give succour to one. As to dignity, I don't think you or any Muslim can give lessons on that subject as your religion is one that strips all dignity from its adherents and seeks to strip it from the rest of humanity. I happen to like Mr Spencers bananas, bananas are good for you (or are they haram as well ?). Perhaps a subject for your next sermon ? I think you had better consult your Imam on this subject, no doubt he will consult the Suras and Hadiths where he (and it will be a "he" won't it) will give your gods ruling on the subject.
Have a nice day
Fairuzfan is indeed pompous and tedious but, for the record, he (she) has claimed to be a Roman Catholic. Some here at JW, with reason, doubt that but I'm inclined to think fairuzfan is telling the truth about his religion and is thus a profound apologetic dhimmi type for Islam. Actually, fairuzfan's religious convictions are only of academic interest to me because if he believes as he says he does, it's fascinating to observe a Christian defend the one major religion of the world which is evil. If he's a Muslim in disguise, well then we have a fine example of taqqiya going on by him. But either way, he has an exaggerated sense of his own "cognitive faculties," as you rightly noted. Particularly interesting from a psychological point of view is the juvenile way in which he taunts Robert Spencer, Hugh Fitzgerald and many posters here at JW. It says a lot about him. More than he realizes.
"...it's fascinating to observe a Christian defend the one major religion of the world which is evil."
Yes, islam is evil. But fairuzfan's intense defense of it is not simply fascinating, it does not make sense! ...at least it doesn't make sense to me.
Given the enormous amount of energy he expels on defending islam and dismissing everyone here on JW -- from Robert, Hugh, et al -- but yet offers nothing in clear support of his supposed Catholic connections; then I still maintain that fairuzfan is a muslim, and not a very well camouflaged one at that.
Additionally, he (or she) wouldn't be the first muslim to come on JW claiming to belong to another faith ....
When it comes to muslims we should always be asking ourselves: does this make sense? I'm sorry, but it doesn't make sense for a Christian to defend islam, especially to the colossal capacity whereby he defends it. Uh-uh! ...and especially since muslims are known allah-approved tricksters and deceivers.
It says nothing, because Islam has nothing to say. To engage with these idiots has two consequences. 1. They shut up. 2. After reasoned debate they carry on. I prefer the third option that is to completely demolish thier arguments using thier own twisted logic. I must say I have had singular success with the third option (on different blogs) I never swear and have the greatest respect for people so deluded. Seems to work. By the way my congnitive facilities are always in the ascendant when communicating with those who have inferior intelect. Can't be helped I'm afraid. I would not mind but I am as thick as two short planks !
ATB Eric
....known allah-approved and "koran-approved" tricksters and deceivers.
Not seen anything in your extensive exposition that clearly shows that the Quran does not mandate hatred of infidels, I'm afraid. If it does, then there's a lot of "misunderstanders of Islam" out there still espousing exactly this position.
I assume that the "Yusuf Qaradhawi, who is one of the leading, authoritative, Islamic authorities of our time" to which you refer is the same person as Yusuf Al-Qaradawi.
If so and his Wikipedia entry is anywhere near correct, he has a lot of "interesting" views on numerous Islamic matters.
A lot of it appears to be self-contradictory.
To quote Wikipedia, "For example, he has spoken in favour of democracy in the Muslim world, speaking of a need for reform of political climates in the Middle East specifically.
However, his true preferences on democracy, and for the government of the state and the public area are not always as clear, as following quote illustrates: "the Shari`ah cannot be amended to conform to changing human values and standards, rather, it is the absolute norm to which all human values and conduct must conform ...". However in a democracy a majority vote might differ from the commandments in the Qur'an and Sunnah, so this quote can be taken to mean that Qaradawi would not allow Muslims to vote against the word of Allah."
I'm confused. To me, this appears to mean that "Democracy can take place but only to the extent that nothing in the Qur'an, Sunnah and Shari`ah and the ways that these affect people's lives is actually changed.
I found this 2008 thread in the JW archives just minutes after posting my last comment where fairuzfan claims to be a "rather hard-line traditionalist Roman Latin Catholic":
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/09/proof-that-islam-a-religion-of-mercy-does-not-permit-terrorism.html
I was not aware of these exchanges until after submitting my last post, and offer it now in support of my claim that fairuzfan is quite possibly a muslim.
Note the other posters strong skepticism to his "Roman Latin Catholic" claim as well.
Enjoy!
The Christian Faith isnot than united faith. The Greek Church off from the Rome Church offical in the middle age, the protent church broke off from the Rome Church official after the middle age but before the age of enlighting an they fought than bloodly 30 year war and then the next 400 year not talking to each other.I was than Lutherian way back in the middle 1970's than if you where bathity in the roman church you have to be rebathity again as they didnot recogin the rite that make you than christian. Than Christian sect disagree on alot's of matter of faith between thenself. So the CIA is correct in not lumping them together as one.Other religions around the world are also decide into different sect's but they all recognite each other rite's like becomeing than member or marriage as being legal,and they share alot's of belief's in common.
We believe in the revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you; Our God and your God is one; and it is to Him we bow (in Islam)”.’ (Surah al-Ankabut 46).
The 'Our God' Mr Qaradawi refers to is precisely that:the God of the Muslims - and none other. How can their be shared belief in same deity when Christians, among others, do not accept the divinity of the Qur'an and the role of Muhammad, and Muslims for their part do not accept the divinity of Jesus - a deity and his word(s) are indivisible.
No doubt the stock worldly answer is that historicity of monotheism is more decisive than self evident theology. It not the 'Book' that Christians and Jews are the 'People of', but instead, a book composed from the human utterances of the founder of Islam.
Thanks for refreshing my memory, champ, with that link. As I wrote above, whether "fairuzfan" is a devout Roman Catholic dhimmi of the worst sort, or a Muslim claiming to be a Roman Catholic, is of "mere" academic interest. Reasonable minds can debate exactly what "fairuzfan" really believes, but what is not debatable for reasonable minds is that "fairuzfan" is a continual apologist for, and enabler of, evil.
He's also not nearly as informed as he thinks he is. As an example, he demonstrated his ignorance to me of American Constitutional law by stating that individual states could still legislate an established religion. Only an ignoramus of Constitutional law would assert this because of the Incorporation Doctrine, which has applied most of the Bill of Rights to the states as well as to the federal government, including ALL of the provisions of the First Amendment. This turkey also asserted that he could provide an accurate account of the Allied invasion of Normandy which would show that the Americans, Brits and their fellow invaders on the northern French coast engaged in atrocities equal to that of the Nazis. I challenged him to do so and he never responded. He also stated that he could provide many authorities from the West who have spoken well of Islam, this coming after I mentioned to him that such significant figures as David Hume, Edward Gibbon, Thomas Jefferson, John Quincy Adams, Alexis de Tocqueville, Arthur Schopenhauer, Ernest Renan, Bertrand Russell, Winston Churchill and Oriana Fallaci have seen Islam for what it is and condemned it and its founder. Again he never came through. He never really does. He just engages in diarrhea of the mouth.
"Fairuzfan" blows a lot of hot air and does so with a pomposity and extreme turgidity that is most amusing. He's full of it, that's for sure. Makes for a wonderful case study in education gone awry.
The Soviets proved that control cannot be gained by force and intimidation in Afghanistan. The Taliban found out that they could not gain control by radical Muslim practices and intimidation of the people. As with any other country, people merely want to work, take care of their families and be safe and secure in thier lands. To accomplish success in Afghanistan, the Coalition must win the hearts and minds of the people, gain their trust and help them to feel safe and secure. This was not the goal during the last eight years of spinning our wheels in Afghanistan. Under the new Counterinsurgency strategy being applied in Afghanistan, there is a strong chance of success in winning the hearts and minds of the people. Yes, helping rebuild Schools, Medical Clinics, Mosques, roads and other infastructure will all be positive steps in moving Taliban supporters to Afghan Government supporters.