British political party calls for ban on burqas

It has become so tiresome. Whenever common sense is proposed, it's predicable that the idea will be called racist, sexist, homophobic, elitist, insensitive to minorities, [*fill in the blank with the pejorative term of the day*], and on and on.

Its time one of our "non-rightwing" parties came out with this. I feel that the big 3 are basically scared to even mention this kind of stuff in case they are thought to be racist. Whereas my feeling is that an awful lot of people in the UK feel that we do far too much pandering!!

France is considering the same thing.

I wonder how many mysterious 'youths' will be burning cars over this?

Couple that with the obvious reading of the Koran which in no way demands women be shoved into gunny sacks because muslim men can't stop their tally wacks, along with the knee jerk relativists screaming 'racism', when any fool knows that Islam, no more than Christianity, is not a race, but a religion - regardless of socio/economic classes.

Of course, all this is merely symbolic of what Islam represents: the implicit and explicit threats from this malignant philosophy against Western philosophy, and culture.

"Can a man take fire in his bosom, and his clothes not be burned?"
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the world is upside down when a party or persons want to save their culture and freedom. it is time to stand up and be counted!

Banning the burqa is only a start but it is a start. By their metonymic messages shall ye know them.

Vote UKIP. And keep voting UKIP.

"it is a matter of principle for the sake of a free and open society."

Well, for some members of society, but apparently not Muslim women.

Evidence of intelligent life in Britain.

"what was seen as an attempt by the UKIP to expand its appeal to disaffected white, working class voters".

One wonders whether this is just a vote chasing gesture. Perhaps a token call to ban burkas will lure voters who are disillusioned with the major parties but not willing to go to the BNP. Smart move anyhow, geniune or not.

Most people have no idea of the shenanigans within the party."
-- posting from a former member of UKIP

Well, since I just endorsed UKIP, in a fit of enthusiasm (and dislike for the alternatives known to me, even if individual members of some of the other parties may be acceptable or even admirable) that further information from you might possibly dampen, please either post that information here, or e-mail it to me c/o Robert Spencer. I'd like to know more.

In the meantime, the BBC cheerfully propagates the burqa as 'normalcy' with a current six part TV series:

"Muslim Driving School", featuring a burqa-clad driving instructor! A brief extract:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8449262.stm

As Daniel Pipes says:

"Nothing in Islam requires turning females into shapeless, faceless zombies; good sense calls for modesty itself to be modest. The time has come everywhere to ban from public places these hideous, unhealthy, socially divisive, terrorist-enabling, and criminal-friendly garments."

-from article: 'Ban the Burqa - and the Niqab too'

http://www.danielpipes.org/4783/ban-the-burqa-and-the-niqab-too

Security/identification purposes is only one of the important reasons for the ban. The other purpose is to set a societal standard for fair treatment of uncovered/non-Muslim women.

The veil and the burqa exist because the sight of female flesh-even ankles and necks-is considered shameful in Islam. Covering up is a kind of preemptive penance for this societal shame. Western cultures must make clear through legislation, words and behavior that shaming or discrediting women is not going to become the norm in our societies.

Shaming clothing is just part of the problem; we have not yet seen the full consequence of allowing the Islamic world view to infiltrate our workplaces and schools. I have a friend who co-teaches English to K-6 children with a male teacher. In recent years, her classes have been increasingly composed of Muslim students from former Soviet satellite states. From the parents to the students, she is finding is that her authority is being undermined in favor of the male co-teacher, who is her junior in both experience and skill, because of the Islamic cultural mandate to place women in subordinate positions to men in every aspect of life.

Burqas and veils implicitly provide permission to disrespect women. If we don't want to see widespread mutiny in workplaces by male Muslim workers against female bosses or indoctrinate children in the devaluation of women, we had better make this plain: burqas and veils have no place in our public life.

Coming up....'UKIP Go To Hell' :)

They've been Un:dhimmi's favourite party for a long time. Who wouldn't want a fem-tent-free Britain AND blessed release from the spendthrift, unelected mandarins of the EUSSR?

There'd also almost certainly be a strong relationship to Geert Wilders and the PVV. What a bonus.

What's not to llke, fellow Brits?

Private companies in Denmark are permitted to ban burqa, niqab & hijab for anyone working directly with customers. That has been tested in court. Some companies do that, some don't.

A trend in that is that private companies discriminate in favour of what their costumers like (most don't like intrusive symbols of repressing women).

Public companies, like the postal services, are much more tolerant of discrimination against women, and frequently employ women with hijab in frontline positions, care personnal for our elderly and the like.

As usual, private enterprise deals best with the problem.

1. The Burqa is a security issue. Sure, not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims.

2. The Burqa is also a health issue. The West has defeated rickets, there is no need to have to deal with it simply due to primitive superstitions.

1. The Burqa is a security issue. Sure, not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims.

2. The Burqa is also a health issue. The West has defeated rickets, there is no need to have to deal with it simply due to primitive superstitions.

All of Islam must be removed from the U. K. not simply the Burqas.

Burqas are for hiding the beatings that their men are inflicting on them. If the law saw the black eyes, broken noses, swelling, cuts and bruises on these women they would have to investigate and those that are forcing their women into hiding.

would have to be arrested.

It's true that UKIP has had some 'shenanigans' but it is now under new management. Since Pearson became leader on 27th November 2009 we have seen a clearer principled approach to Islam.
Most importantly, he does not take this view based on division by race(a la BNP). He understands that a man's attitude to totalitarianism is the measure of his worth. This totalitarianism can be centralised european control over a nation state, which is outside the checks and balances of its citizens or attempted control by a religious totalitarian philosophy.
If Lord Pearson can reorganise UKIP and successfully disseminate its policies it will grow.

"The conservative group, ... issued a call Friday to ban the garments in what was seen as an attempt by the UKIP to expand its appeal to disaffected white, working class voters, The Times of London reported Saturday."

Maybe that's what The Times sees through its veil of sneers. The Times apparently thinks that this call can have no attraction to Britons of non-European descent, or to white-collar or professional whites, or to stable, well-adjusted whites in general. But it seems to me that this call is attractive to all Britons of whatever class, whether white or not, disaffected or not, except the majority of Moslems.

Personally, I don't like burqas and do not believe that the Qur'an even requires this extent of covering.

I should also like to be confident that the current rules prohibiting face-obscuring head coverings (e.g. crash helmets, hoods, etc) in many establishments (e.g. banks) are applied equally to burqa wearers.

I hope that there is no politically-correct get-out clause being implemented by businesses just for burqa wearers in order to avoid strident cries of "Islamophobia" and "We are offended". Personally, I have never seen a burqa wearer asked to remove her burqa or even taken to a private room for checking by female staff.

In fact, it could be a good idea if burqa wearers were asked to remove the part that conceals their face in every business and public building they enter and possibly even in any public street. There are plenty of excuses that could be used:

1) Security

2) Health and safety. (The wearer's restricted vision due to the burqa clearly means a greater risk of slipping, tripping or colliding with fixtures and fittings).

3) The establishment can reasonably claim that it only has their welfare in mind, that it has a "duty of care" to their staff and customers and is only asking for the removal of the burqa in order to fulfill this obligation.

The "duty of care" approach would be particularly useful in the UK in respect of the wearing of burqas in public streets. The local authorities take such things very seriously because citizens sue them regularly and expensively due to injuries suffered from falling on uneven pavements (sidewalks for our American readers) because they were not looking where they were walking.

Constant and permanent personal inconvenience for burqa wearers on grounds that are "for their welfare" and cannot possibly be construed as "Islamophobic" might reduce the attractiveness of wearing the burqa (often referred to as an Islamic bin bag).

Constantly seeking concessions for Muslims is not an entirely one-way street. It can go the other way. It could be further encouraged by non-Muslims demanding that banks and other establishments declare their policies and procedures for burqa wearers and demonstrate that they meet their security policies as applied to non-Muslims.

On the subject of the UKIP, someone refers to the “shenanigans within the party."

Yep, have to agree with that, even though I am not a member.

The UKIP made a ludicrous decision in electing a member of the House of Lords to be their new leader.
They complain, rightly, about the “democratic deficit” of the EU Parliament.

And they are right. Just consider the difference between the EU and Westminster Parliaments.

Most of the power lies in the Commission; it’s where the legislation comes from unlike the (rubber-stamp) Parliament.
This is totally unlike the Westminster Parliament with it’s Private Members Bill.

The commission is not directly accountable to any electorate. Sort of like the House of Lords.

The UKIP does have a good grasp of many of the issues.
MEP Gerard Batten would probably have made a better leader.

UKIP are a bunch of nobodies and for all their seats in the European Paliament their success rate is precisely zero, if you don't count lining their pockets with millions in salaries and expenses claims as a result that is.

For a low down visit :http://www.ukipwatch.org/

In UK, elections are just around the corner so be prepared for a lot of hot air and posturing. There will be no ends for the calls to ban this muslim organisation and that muslim practice all the while licking their back sides for votes.

After much publicised displeasure with MCB and sending them to Coventry, the government has quietly resumed eating from their palms again.

Good post re the BBC.

I think that the BBC could benefit from a copy of JW's "Islam 101" so that they could understand their errors and the correct interpretation of many of the apparently-benign phrases that they have used.

The list of "What a Jihad is not" surprised me. Most of the items stated are in direct contravention to Islam's supremacist political agenda.

I can't see the BBC ever saying that "XXX in Muslim country YYY undertook Military Jihad because of the reasons stated and clarifying what they mean:

•Self-defence

(Which is interpreted as any non-Muslim being in a Muslim land or doing anything to limit the spread of Islam)

•Strengthening Islam

(Which is interpreted as the spread of world dominance by Islam)

•Protecting the freedom of Muslims to practise their faith

(Which freedom is interpreted as including the implementation of Sharia law and any Muslim practice that may contravene any local law)

•Protecting Muslims against oppression, which could include overthrowing a tyrannical ruler

(Where "Oppression" is considered anything other than capitulation to Islam)

•Punishing an enemy who breaks an oath

(Except a Muslim that breaks an oath to a non-Muslim)

•Putting right a wrong

(Where a "wrong " is construed as anything inconvenient or undesirable to Muslims)

A huge number of the statements in the BBC document are demonstrably incorrect. As an example, consider The rules of Jihad". Many of the JW "favourites" are in their. Recent activities by Muslims as part of self-declared Jihads have broken every one of these rules. If these are the rules of Jihad the jihhadists are clearly not following the BBC's definition of the rules.

The BBC is also supposed to comply with its own published standards of journalism. These include obligations to be accurate and to correct errors when they are discovered.

If someone at JW has the time to do a point-by-point rebuttal of the document that could be most helpful. The BBC is still a widely used source of information.

Uh, that would be:

If I were to say, "I'm reading Hugh" for "I'm reading Hugh's articles", that would be metonymic.

I miss the edit function.

I get the impression that many Brits, while having many complaints about the major parties, are afraid to vote for "right-wing" parties because they are not perfect or have had "shenanigans", even though they prefer many of their policies. IMO they should remember that the major parties are certainly less than perfect and have shown a great deal of shenanigans. In fact, they are blatant sellouts for political correctness run amuck, left wing economic policies (including ill-advised foreign aid) and suicidal immigration & asylum policies. IMHO a right wing party like UKIP (or even the BNP) is just what Britain needs for a while.

I say, have some nerve Brits, and give them a chance.

tvlicenceresistance.blogspot.com/

The three main parties in the UK have done everything in their power to besmirch the BNP. I have signed up for their e-letter and have found them to be exactly what I am looking for. Do not listen to the lies the media and government are propounding about the BNP they are not true. They are the only party to understand how the bedrock voter in the UK feels about muslims and islam in general and for sure they will deal with the matter in any way they can. They have my vote.

Secondly, I believe I am correct in stating the the head of bbc religious programming is now a muslim. nuf said.

I have long been a UKIP supporter, but there is another point here which has not yet been mentioned:
Very few UKIP voters will be ex-labour supporters. Most will be drawn from the Tories. If we split the Tory vote we may only succeed in allowing Labour back in for the fourth time.
In that case by the time of the next election there won't be much of a country left to govern...so-
Vote Conservative.

Golly, I had best go out and get me a burqa. Things are getting pretty scary here in the U.S. and I could hide an awful lot of "protection" under one of those body tents. Not to mention the fact that U.N. "security" forces would never be allowed to search me or touch me in any way. I'll bet one could hide an arsenal under one of those things. Do they come in small, medium and large? Or is it just one size fits all?

Locomotivebreath1901 you stated:

France is considering the same thing.

Read this article:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100115/ap_on_re_eu/eu_france_forbidding_the_veil

Finally, maybe Europe is waking up. But the demographics show that it may be too late, due to high birth rates among muslims. But it is great to see Britain jumping on the ship too.

We should be able to see the person's face, it has been known that muslim males dress in burqas to get through security because they see security forces being less likely to target women. Evidence has been shown that more and more muslim women are getting into the jihad symdrome. Like the two muslim chechyn women who blew up 2 russian airliners in 2004.

We cannot see who they are. This is not about being against muslims, but in France it is widely viewed as gateway to radical Islam, an attack on gender equality and other French values, and a gnawing away at the nation's secular foundation.

This will surely cause riots, not like France has not seen their share before. The basic rights that the french muslims will call for would be denied in a muslim nation to non-muslims.

I personally do not look at wearing a hefty trash bag over my body a fashion statement nor liberating.

France's main Muslim leaders have declared that Islam does not require women to cover their faces with niqabs or burqas.

"A woman must cover herself. It's writtem in the Quran," Silmi told AP.

Who is telling the truth? The muslim leaders or Silmi? If the Quran is the book of Islam, why 2 different teachings? Hmmmm, sounds like misunderstanding one's own religious doctrine.

You will never see a calender of burka babes or a woman in a burka on the cover of Vogue or Cosmopolitan magazine. But then again, if the world reverts to Islam, both magazines would be banned altogether.

"Blessed are the idiots, for even they can be forgiven."

"Ignorance is deadly, but silence even deadlier."

I am the truthsayer and I approve of this message.

I don't understand why so many people here are falling for this. The BNP called for the banning of burkas TWO YEARS AGO.

They're also more pro-israel than any other political party. You'd think the open minded people here would be able to see past the "nazi nazi fascist fascist" empty rhetoric spouted by the BBC and other "mainstream" news organizations. Guess not.

UKIP is a one issue pony that OFFERED TO DISBAND if the tories held a referendum on the EU. Not only that, but it put up two pro-eu candidates (who were pro-eu right up until they learned that none of the pro-eu parties would let them run as MEPs) as EURO MEPs. If this is the disdain with which they treat the main issue the party runs on, how serious do you think they are when it comes to things like Islam?

For shame.