And they are using her unwise guilty plea to a charge of being "unruly" against her now. "Agreement between Rifqa Bary, parents to settle conflict short-lived," by Meredith "Hijab" Heagney for the Columbus Dispatch, January 29 (thanks to Pamela):
The agreement between Rifqa Bary and her parents to settle their conflict through counseling has ended without a single meeting between the parents and their daughter, according to a motion filed in Franklin County Juvenile Court.The parents - Mohamed and Aysha Bary - are withdrawing their consent to resolve the case. Rifqa and her parents agreed on Jan. 19 that she would stay in foster care and they would undergo counseling instead of beginning a dependency trial to determine where the 17-year-old should live. Rifqa turns 18 in August.
The motion says "the parents now believe the entire deal should be thrown out because of misrepresentation and fraudulent inducement." It adds that the Barys now object to all decisions made on Jan. 19 and want a trial on the dependency case.
Rifqa ran away in July, saying her father abused her and threatened to kill her for converting from Islam to Christianity. Authorities could not find any credible threats to her safety.
Flaws in their investigation noted here.
Franklin County Children Services promised it would protect Rifqa from the people who helped her run away and are trying to exploit her, but she's being allowed to talk to Blake and Beverly Lorenz, according to the motion filed yesterday by Omar Tarazi, attorney for the parents. The Lorenzes are the Florida pastor couple who housed Rifqa for more than two weeks after she ran away.
Classic Islamic supremacist projection from a CAIR attorney. Rifqa doesn't need to be protected from the Lorenzes. She needs to be protected from her parents and other Muslims who believe in the death penalty for apostates and have threatened her life.
The motion says she is being allowed to attend "the very church that targeted her in the first place," but it does not name the church.
"Targeted her." Note once again the inversion of reality.
Tarazi also wrote that Angela Lloyd, an attorney for Rifqa, knew or should have known of the contents of a "happy birthday, Daddy" card that she sent to Blake Lorenz on behalf of Rifqa. The motion says Rifqa has yet to talk to her parents.Two separate motions ask the court to remove Lloyd as Rifqa's counsel and Bonnie Vangeloff as her guardian ad litem.
Tarazi also filed an emergency motion that all contact between Rifqa and those who "assisted in her unruly behavior" be prohibited because of a pending criminal investigation.
Tarazi is pushing for the isolation of the female apostate, in accord with Sharia.
Pamela has much more. Be sure to read it all.
I was worried that Rifqa's parents wouldn't let it go. Perhaps they received more pressure from their mosque not to let their "unruly" daughter go free.
I am appalled that this poor girl is having to endure this. That she is having to endure this *in America*, where she should be protected, is worst of all.
The parents have further damaged their credibility by going back on their word. It is also difficult to believe that the parents truly care about Rifqa given that they are furthering, complicating, and prolonging this legal conflict, which can only be damaging and disruptive for Rifqa as she tries to live her life and complete her studies under such restrictive conditions. Or perhaps they do "care" in the sense of trying to save her in the Islamic sense, by bringing her back into the fold of Islam. It does seem that they care more about Islam than they care about Rifqa.
The more crap the parents and the Islamic public relations machine try to put Rifqa through, the more she'll have to write about and publicize once this court case is finished and after she is 18.
Rifqa is lucky not to be living in a country where SHARIA is
the law of the land.
Again, this has been raised before: what is the legal status of the parents? Has the INS declared them to be legally in this country, or illegally in this country, or under investigation to decide whether they are legally or illegally here? We'd all like to know.
If she and her local supporters can run out the clock...Now only seven month's until her eighteenth birthday. Rifqa, you have many friends and supporters praying for you, knowing that you fear no evil as you journey through this valley of the shadow of death. Just hang in there and keep telling yourself "This, too, shall pass." You'll be fine.
Classic moslem tactics for all to see.
Is everyone taking note?
I hate to say it, but I saw it coming.
Comments from the link above:
"From Atlas Shrugs:
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/01/eyewtiness-account-of-the-todays-rifqa-bary-hearing.html
Here is perhaps the rub of the whole plan and concession to the Bary's and CAIR only taking an admission to the unruliness complaint against Rifqa.
"Julian next requested the unruliness complaint be held open until Rifqa’s 18th birthday. Rifqa’s attorney Angela Lloyd objected, arguing the complaint should be closed. Lloyd stated Rifqa was safe in the custody of Franklin County Children Services, and that it was in Rifqa’s best interest the complaint be closed.
Goodrich agreed. She stated the unruliness was related to the rules of Rifqa’s home; that since those rules no longer applied given Rifqa was no longer in her parents home the circumstances relating to her unruliness were now gone. Goodrich ruled to close the unruliness complaint. "
If the unruliness complaint had been left open, and had Rifqa admitted to it, (which she had), it is conceivable that there would be some wide open legal loophole to use the open unruliness complaint, to re-start the custody issue, at a time when less people are watching.
With the ruling to close it, we may have just heard the door slam shut on the nefarious plans of CAIR and the Bary's to eventually dispute and get Rifqa back in their custody.
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Lets hope that the "Closed" status is enough to keep them from successfully re-opening it, and even hope further that this sort of action angers the Judge presiding.
It's clear enough that was their intent all along. She needs Lawyers that actually know what "game" is being played, and can actually think a move ahead or two.
Could someone explain this to me...under what law is Rifqa's parents' attorney filing a motion to remove Rifqa's attorneys and her guardian ad litem? If I were an attorney representing a rapist in some court trial, would I be able to have the vicitm's attorney removed? And if so, on what grounds?
The way things are going for Rifqa, Sharia might as well be the law of the land in the US of A.
The Bary's have 6 months until Rifqa turns 18...6 months to reassert control over her life. My guess is that they'll resort to ANYTHING to get her back....and I think they have a particular interest in returning her to Sri Lanka where their behavior (and her fate) will be under less scrutiny.
6 months and counting.
It would be so very, very interesting to know what judicial and public opinion would be if Rifqa was brought up in a Christian home and left her parents' home because she wanted to live her life as a muhammedan and they would not let her.
Of course, the parallel doesn't work, because Christian parents would never kill their child for choosing a religion different than their own.
Hey kids, we need some help over in the comments line on Hijab Heagney's article here:
http://www.topix.net/forum/source/columbus-dispatch/TFNUT9820U8I565C3/p5#lastPost
Come on over and join in the fun. It's a great way to support others who don't know there is an anti-jihad community out there and also helps you practice your critical thinking and debating skills.
It's supposed to snow in the D.C, area this weekend. This is going to be really, really fun!
"The agreement between Rifqa Bary and her parents to settle their conflict through counseling has ended without a single meeting between the parents and their daughter," ....
Their withdrawal seems fear driven, and it appears that they have something to hide. People who have nothing to hide, well, they hide nothing, right? They are clearly afraid of the truth coming out during their counseling sessions, and with good reason. I mean no one put a gun to their head while deciding to go to group counseling in the first place; and if they truly thought that this was a "fraudulent" case, then they would have made this known BEFORE agreeing to counseling, not after. This action on their part definitely screams of ..."we are soooo guilty!"
Syed Mumtaz Ali, at the Muslim Canada website is quoted writing on apostasy and citing sources, such as this one below (the apparent attribution of the quote is to the Abingdon Dictionary):
Abingdon Dictionary
"The death penalty is rarely carried out today, but there remains a powerful sense of outrage among Muslims when one of their number forsakes the community."
Emphasis added.
...and in this case we see that the Bary parents and the Islamic public relations people are expressing their rage, by using the legal system to harass, attack, and punish Rifqa for defecting.
Any judge worth his salt would have ruled in Riqa's favor long ago...Now the salt less judge can redeem himself by throwing out all the parents new motions...
http://www.avraidire.eu/2010/01/lhorrible-realite-de-lislam-2-vraie-lapidation-au-pakistan/
Heh.
Mohamed and Aysha... they sound like a lovely couple.
Those names sound oddly familiar though. Like I've heard them before. Wasn't there a famous couple earlier with names of Mohamed and Aysha?
Avraidire,
I love your stuff. I saw you over at Hijab Heagney's. I put that same post of the stoning up on the thread. Very informative and useful as it brings the point home. Thanks.
Not to get too "religious" but even with all of the crap that Christians such as Rifqa go through with regard to Muslims harassing them whether it is in "Muslim" lands or even as we see in "still free" Western lands, Rifqa has more peace in her heart through her knowing Jesus and knowing the truth than all of the absurd Muslims whose miserable lives they merely seek to inflict on those Christians who have chosen another path. All of those truly pathetic creatures following Islam like slaves, like dregs of the earth, and wanting nothing more than to drag everyone else down into their hellish existence. That the evil lure of Satan working through Islam is not even able to be overcome by the "normal" "love" of parents or siblings to their own flesh and blood is truly the best evidence and proof possible of the absolute degradation of the soul that the followers of Islam undergo. Their hearts are truly black.
Oh go ahead and get religious, hon. We could use a good dose of it here and it is the basis for the entire Rifqa story. Rifqa was abused, Rifqa suffered, she found a loving God and rejected the "god" of hate. She was willing to die to keep that pearl of great value and she gave up everything to acquire it.
I have often contemplated just how effective prayers are in receiving help and favors from God. As Christians many of us have stopped praying in our post Christian world but the Muslims go right on banging their heads on the ground. Could this be why they seem to be increasing while we seem to be decreasing? Even though they pray to a demon, does that demon become stronger due to their worship and prayers? If praying to the True God brings down blessings and protection, as it did when the battle of Lepanto was fought and the superior force of the Muslim fleet destroyed, hadn't we better get on our knees and ask God to help us, as the Muslims are doing with their demon "god"? While the destroyer hs power he does not have as much as the Creator. Something to keep in mind as we engage in this important struggle.
On a more personal level Christians in the free West who frankly take it for granted far too much need to consider whether they would continue to profess their faith if under direct death threats from Muslims. Christians who profess their faith while under threat of death from Muslims truly do put their money where their mouth is. Christians in the West on the other hand will even hide their faith from some acquaintances or business associates if they feel it will bring them unwanted hassles or suspicions. We rationalize that it is a "personal" thing, which it is, but if one never evangelizes even to close friends chances are good the faith is dead. Islam has created many martyrs (real Christian martyrs not evil Islamic murderer martyrs) through the ages.
Isabella:
You raise an interesting and provocative question. I would suggest that the demon being prayed to, or the Creator being prayed to, is not made stronger, but the person doing the praying is.
As a post-Christian rationalist atheist, I believe the human brain has untapped potentials that praying is able to access. Perhaps the person doing the praying is given a sense of rightness and a deeper strength in their convictions. Maybe their mind is being organized by the act of prayer. Perhaps they prioritize their lives differently and make choices they would not make otherwise. Perhaps this may account for the different relative positions of Islam and Christianity these days?
The problem is clear. Post-Christian atheism does not have a ready or coherent substitute for the belief in a god which formerly strengthened and unified people and societies. Morals are difficult to define when not handed down from a timeless source but are up to the individual. It is a problem with which I struggle a lot. This lack of focus (to me) could easily explain what has gone wrong with Christianity and right with Islam, even though Islam is hands-down inferior and more primitive.
Thanks for the clue. It had not occurred to me in such terms until I read your paragraphs.
Although I cannot tell exactly from the article above, it sounds very much as though the "counseling" approach produced exactly what I had feared -- which is, greater vulnerability for Rifqa and nothing else.
This is all a deeply anti-moral fraud.
What we have here is simply a tormented young woman surrounded by adults that refuse to protect her properly from her tormentors.
It is a disgrace.
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I will repeat once again, if our authorities refuse to due their duty, we will end up with very rough folk justice.
There are plenty of people following the Rifqa story who are certain that a visit by a few rough men to her father's house is what is called for here.
And it is difficult to argue that that would not produce better and faster results than the courts have so far.
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My personal hope is that Rifqa will run away and go into hiding till she is 18.
At this point, that would be the easiest and most effective solution.
I'm quite sure that if she keeps her mouth shut and her head down she can find shelter somewhere -- among decent folks.
I can remember the 70's when people who had much milder problems with their families succeeded in running away ... by the hundreds, if not thousands.
Now that I think of it, America probably needs a new underground railroad, for endangered young mohammedan women.
We have a long history as a nation with that sort of thing, and we're quite good at it.
I hope somebody puts it into action.
Joblough must've been reading my thoughts. It could be argued that anyone helping Rifqa Bary to disappear until her 18th. birthday was helping her to escape a creed that sought to imprison her by way of its fundamental precepts. The 'death to apostates' law, which could be proved in court by reference to core Islamic texts and the texts from mainstream Islamic schools of jurisprudence, would be pretty damning evidence.
Rifqa could become a kind of Harriet Tubman figure, whose supporters could set up an underground network of safe houses to enable other Muslims to leave Islam and have a place of refuge while they rearranged their lives.
Anyway, a legal examination of the possibilities for this kind of action might be worthwhile. Any lawyers out there who could comment?
Goob, I agree with both Isabella and with you. I, too, would probably be described as a "post-Christian atheist," as you have described yourself, by an outside observer whose world view is strictly materialist and who confuses form and subtance. The label "post-Christian atheist" I find to be both vulgar and offensive, constructed as it is around negative concepts of rejection, rather than reflecting positive concepts of affirmation that inform my reality. With "post-Christian" the term signals, among other things, its rejection of one of the most important parts of the religious experience - namely, the part that allows one to shut out the cacophony of the world and quiet the troubled heart enough to be able to hear that "still, small voice" inside all of us. It's always there to hear for anyone willing to make the effort to listen. Christians know this, and I suppose Muslims do, too, but the voice they hear does seem to be very different from the gentle voice Christians hear. Literal-minded Atheists, who seem to be afflicted with severe cases of tinnitus of the soul, appear never to have had the epiphany that reveals to them this inner voice, or the inner sight that also exists. But that's OK. Each person has to find this out for him/her own self. When they do the new world it gives them access to is often so compelling that they make a radical course correction in their lives.
Getting back to your original point, Muslims do, indeed, appear to be trained to listen to some kind of inner voice, but one which, if it induces a radical transformation, results in a course correction that is 180 degrees opposite that of Christians. I don't know of any kind of secular vocabulary that is capable of dealing with these things in a way that properly captures the reality involved. Perhaps the language of demons and angels really is the right language, although I am wary of this language. In any case, I do think that the denial, or at least absence of an appreciation, of the centrality of this side of religion makes it virtually impossible to understand the motivations of "believers" (which I also find to be a belittling term), of whatever stripe. I would go further and say that no one without this "second hearing" or "second sight" is qualified even to pass judgment on such matters, as this would carry as much auhority as a deaf man judging Mahler's Fifth, or a blind man commenting on the beauty of the lady's dress in Renoir's Bal a Bougival.
Why doesnt someone help her file for emancipation. In most states a 17 year old can be legally emancipated.
Remember Amina and Sarah Said. Defend Rifqa Bary!
Muslim prayer is not what people think of when they think of prayer in Christianity. In Islam it is more of a ritual, something that even the atheists on the thread could "act out" with zero heart or mind involvement. It is more a matter of forcing community cohesion, some of the people don't even know what the words mean, they just repeat them rote. It is more like an army exercise where everyone is forced to stand in formation and say certain things.
It would be incorrect to read anything into the notion that some scientists believe the act of praying can somehow benefit the human even if there is no actual God to whom they are praying. But if that were true, that praying to a higher power that does not really exist, somehow gives the human a better sense of grounding, of knowing ones place, that in turn results in a calmer demeanor, a person with more organized thoughts, then in the case of Islam perhaps the act of submitting to the community prayer, just like in the case of the military, gives the individual a sense of belonging to a larger cause, a reason to be outside of themselves. The problem is that as with EVERYTHING, Islam turns what can be a good thing into an evil thing working not for good but for the cause of Satan.
The endless repetitive submission in every little aspect of life under Islam essentially eliminates the ability of all but the most special people to think for themselves. Islam creates unthinking zombies ready to kill for Allah. That they are even willing to kill their own flesh and blood for Allah really says it all. Anyone with children, what would it take to get you to kill your own child? Someone holding a gun to your head? Most wouldn't even do it in that case.
Maybe we need a modern "Underground Railroad" designed to help young girls wanting to escape Islam. I'm sure that Obama Been Rotten and Eric Holder would fall on that as if it were a terror plot. We really do live in upside down world.
I guess the Muslims have already won this one, no matter what, in the sense that the message is clear to all Muslim girls yearning to breath free in the USA that if they try to escape their family's Islamic straitjacket they will have hell to pay.
I hope, if she should turns 18 as a free women here, that she'll someday write a book about her experience and what free spirited Muslim girls have to endure. It will of course bring on death fatwas from the religion of mind abdication.
Don't ever trust Muslims. This is just another example.
For young girls in particular, because they have the potential to be more vulnerable in a situation like this...but it should be extended to anyone who wants to leave this so-called "religion".
How have the parents gone back on their word? Keeping one's word to fellow humans is required by Islam, BUT non-Muslims are considered dogs and pigs and thus aren't human. Thus no promise was given.
Islam is a barbarian religion which corrodes the mental faculties and moralities of any unsuspecting fool who falls prey to the preachings of the mad pedophile prophet Mohammed.
It's like what Scientology would have been had L. Ron Hubbard been illiterate, lived in the desert, drunk camel urine and not gotten into sci-fi stuff.
The Bary family can go kiss my ass. Rather then trying to murder their young daughter they should instead join her religion and abandon the heathen faith of the witless, bloodthirsty deceiver Mahound.
Roberto E. Benitez,
Perhaps the Bary parents had no intention of keeping their word when they made the deal. On the other hand, perhaps they did intend to hold to the deal, to keep their word, and some unknown factors have since led them to change their minds. We don't know; or at least, I'm willing to acknowledge that I don't know what their real intentions were at the time of making the deal.
What I think can reasonably be assumed from the news reports is that the Bary parents and Rifqa, with their lawyers etc., made a deal at time 1. At time 2, the Bary parents sought to break the deal that they had agreed to in word and in law at time 1. One does not need the telepathic ability to read thoughts to conclude that the Bary parents have, objectively, gone back on their word. (In any case, that's my intended meaning when I said that they went back on their word). However, one does need the some kind of access to the Bary's private thoughts, or as yet unpublished statements or behavior, to have sufficient support for what you appear to conclude about the Bary parents' intentions at the time of making the deal and their interpretation of Islamic doctrine.
Note: There may be enough evidence to be concerned, or to suspect, that the Bary parents may be thinking along the lines you claim. (There is also evidence for alternative interpretations). There is not sufficient evidence to conclude, as you do, that they are thinking along the precise lines you claim.
Kinana,
In most circumstances I would agree with your well put statement. And I agree with you that I can't and shouldn't make any precise conclusions about their intentions. Situations do change requiring different approaches and we aren't privy to the particulars in this case. But I believe in my heart that the Bary parents mean their daughter harm if she continues to remain an "apostate." That's the crux of the problem.
However, my comments were made in a satirical vein but weren't meant to be funny. There's more than enough historical evidence even from Muslim scholars and theologians that my general , and perhaps overly broad, statement about Muslims' views on keeping one's word to other humans, or non-humans as the case may be, sadly is correct.
As a matter of fact, we should look at the differences from the teachings and conduct of Mohammed and Jesus. Mohammed was very situational in his consideration of keeping his word whereas Jesus preached that we were to keep our word even to our own hurt, that we were to love our enemies and do good to them. Furthermore, in His parable of the Good Samaritan Jesus answered the question as to who was our neighbor. Mohammed however put the knife to the throats of his neighbors who had helped him when the refused to acquiesce to his religious demands.
Today throughout the Muslim world the abysmal treatment of "infidels", particularly women, is well known. Rape and stoning even by family members is far more common than we in the West are willing to believe. Mohammed through the Qu'ran and the Hadith taught intolerance, violence, rape, theft, and murder. We ignore that at our peril.
I truly wish the Bary parents would take a sensible approach to the matter as you do. But I fear that may not be the case. However, I hope and pray that I'm wrong.
Bob