Facebook Muslims ask if Rifqa Bary is the Dajjal, the great deceiver of the Islamic end times

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More Facebook jihad against Rifqa Bary: this Facebook wonders whether Rifqa Bary, the girl who converted from Islam to Christianity and then fled from her family in fear for her life, is the great evil figure of the Islamic end times, the Dajjal -- because, after all, she has one eye, and so does the Dajjal.

The Dajjal will at the end of days lead people astray. Muhammad said: "The Dajjall is one-eyed and will bring with him what will resemble Hell and Paradise, and what he will call Paradise will be actually Hell; so I warn you (against him) as Noah warned his nation against him."

These brilliant fellows fail to note that while the Dajjal is indeed blind in his right eye according to several ahadith, he also has "kaffir" -- unbeliever -- written between his eyes.

It's clear from things like this that Rifqa Bary is in danger from Muslims in the United States. The Ohio court should act accordingly to protect her, and resist the deceptive PC siren song of CAIR. The girl's life is at stake.

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But isn't the Islamic "Jesus" supposed to appear before the Dajjal, according to Muhammedans? They haven't produced him yet which means to me that Rifqa can't be the Dajjal (tongue in cheek). Just sayin...

http://schnellmann.org/death_for_apostasy.html
Muhammad's orders are unequivocal:
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/004.qmt.html#004.089
Q 4:89 "YUSUFALI ... But if they turn renegades ("reject faith", leave Islam), seize them and SLAY them wherever ye find them."

In the end, Rifqa, when she's finally free at 18 is going to have to obtain a new identity. There are government programs in place for this kind of thing.

But for me the bottom line is: "WHY THE HECK ARE HER PARENTS STILL IN MY COUNTRY AS ILLEGALS AND MY GOVERNMENT KNOWS THIS?"

Rifqa, you have my prayers, and THANK GOD you're free from the tyranny of islame.

This is complete idiocy. Who in their right mind would htey believe this?? She's a normal girl who's having some problems with Islam...
Btw, canasia_us, you're right that Imam Mehdi is supposd to appear before the anti-christ.

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The confusion of Hell with Paradise has already been made by Muhammed. No Dajjal is necessary.
Do people who know how to operate modern bathroom facilities really believe this stuff, or are they still holed up with King Kong in a jungle somewhere?

One of the problems with Muslims is that they are so completely whacked-out bizarre that it is difficult to get normal people to believe they mean what they say. Especially with all the "moderate" Muslims trying to claim that "Islam doesn't really mean that".

This is of concern because you can see that some people are trying to create some psychotic justifiction to harm or kill her. It is amazing how much of a threat she appears to be to them.

These devout Muslims believe that a small, vulnerable young girl, at threat from her vicious parents and "community", may be *the Dajjal*.

The horrors of terrorism, indiscriminate death and destruction, stonings, amputations, beheadings, crucifiction, "honor killings", oppression, tyranny, rape and murder are virtues, but a little girl who just wants to live in peace is—for them—the *personification of evil*.

This is not merely a worldview that is immoral–it *is the virtual inversion of morality*.

Even if she escapes the designs of her parents, Rifqa, clearly, is in great danger from much of the Ummah.
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By the way, when I was researching a point about Rifqa for this post (I hadn't heard she was blind in one eye), Google suggested topics concerning this girl—the first thing that came up—and Robert Spencer should feel proud—was "Rifqa Bary American Anti-dhimmi 2009".

The next suggestion was chilling—"Rifqa Bary should die". The results for this search? *460,000 references*. Good God.

http://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&channel=s&hl=en&source=hp&q=rifqa+bary+should+die&btnG=Google+Search

Hey Humza- got any churches made of Moslem bones to try and sell us today? I would think for as many innocent moslems butchered by everyone else (except, of course, by Moslems) for the past 1,400 years there ought to be massive Cathedrals by now, made of nothing but Moslem bones! So link us up there Hummzz!

"Imam Mehdi is supposd to appear before the anti-christ."


Who's to say that they're not one and the same?

Go away.

There are more than one hundred referrences to Dajjal/Ad-Dajjal in the hadith of Bukhari and Muslim...

Mahound was terrified by Dajjal, according to Aisha he prayed to Allah to relieve him of Dajjal's afflictions...Dajjal was described as a male, curly brown hair and blind in one eye that stuck out like a grape, and KUFR between his eyes...This does not sound like Rifqa...

Mahound thought that dajjal was a local young 'man'...

Bukhari...Volume 9, Book 92, Number 453:
Narrated Muhammad bin Al-Munkadir:
I saw Jabir bin 'Abdullah swearing by Allah that Ibn Sayyad was the Dajjal. I said to Jabir, "How can you swear by Allah?" Jabir said, "I have heard 'Umar swearing by Allah regarding this matter in the presence of the Prophet and the Prophet did not disapprove of it."

Mahound took Umar and a group of men to a location where Sayyad was playing with some children...Mahound confronted Sayyad who replied with some very disrespecting tones...
Umar took out his sword and offered to behead Sayyad but Mahound stopped him saying if he is Dajjal you can't overpower him and if he's not you kill him for nothing...
Volume 2, Book 23, Number 437


Another time Mahound spotted Sayyad napping and mumbling in his sleep, he tried to get close enough to hear some incriminating words but got caught hiding behind some palm stumps...How embarrassing...

The "deceiver" huh?
But they (the Jews) were deceptive, and Allah was deceptive, for Allah is the best of deceivers (Wamakaroo wamakara Allahu waAllahu khayru al-makireena)! S. 3:54; cf. 8:30

You kinda' hit the nail on the head. Arguably the greatest single problem of modern times is that not enough folks here, there and most everywhere have yet to understand the truth of what you asserted, though the numbers that do comprehend what you rightly deem as so important are growing with each passing year. It's gonna' be a kind of photo finish for mankind. A close call. Compliments of Islam, the world's worst religion ever. I'm bettin' on freedom and truth prevailing, but what a price will be paid before this happens, again compliments of Mo's warped ideology.

Such blind and backwards muslims .....

You need not look any further than prophet muhammad (poopoo be upon him) to find your "great deceiver".

O, and isn't your dajjal a male figure? ...hello!

Islam is an evil which needs to be dealt with. It has no place in our society. There is nothing in it for mankind but grief and terror.

Its very fair of you to give their side of the argument and let your readers decide if she is the Dajjal. The one eye is pretty convincing and I smacked my forehead and said AH-HA she is the DAJJAL but then reading your counter-arguments I think myself "Maybe she not Dajjal."

Humza wrote:

...She's a normal girl who's having some problems with Islam...
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Well, it's nice to know that you don't consider Rifqa Bary to be the embodiment of evil. On the other hand, some might consider it something of an understatement to consider myriad threats against her life by large numbers of Muslims to be "having some problems with Islam"...

Let's hope she is and whacks a lot of muslims in the process of doing whatever the Dajjal is suppose to do. As long the muslims fear the Dajjal then I'm all for it and hope Rifqa has some secret powers that only muslims will come to know.

Humza ....

Y'know, I once tried that at either a Sushi joint, or maybe it was an Indian restaurant; and not only was it waaaay too spicy, but it left me with a really funky aftertaste ...so, stay away from the humza! ..not unless you want to suffer from maaaaajor heartburn.

This is an outrage and a direct affront.

Rifqa is an American, she is one of us and one of ours.

And over and above citizenship, Rifqa is a self defined and self determined soul. THAT is the ultimate mark of American spirit.

Thus Rifqa is doubly one of us and one of ours.

These people who denigrate her do not have the right to sully her name by pronouncing it with their babbling savage tongues.

Again, as mentioned in the other post, for any and all people (well, Muslims mainly) who join these psychotic Islamic groups on Facebook, the intelligence services should keep a watchful eye on them. They're clearly enemies of civilised society and have no place in free, democratic nations.

First of all we need to launch a FACE BOOK counter offensive on her behalf. Second, I'm not sure at this point if she qualifies for the traditional new identity program through the US Marshall's Service. Once this is over there may need to be some faith based charitable effort to provide her with protection. Liberty University has two pastors who converted and suffered threats but they are men.
We all must pray and come together on her behalf.

Bwahahahahaha. Maybe mohound was looking in a mirror!

I only have one question to these Muslims everywhere, "if" she goes back to Islam, would she seize to be the dajjal, or is she the dajjal just because she rejected Islam? In my book, anyone who rejects Islam [darkness] and comes to Christ [the light of the worl] is a child of God and lives in the darkness no more, therefore, she can in no way shape or form be the dajjal.

If my memory serves me here (and it doesn't always), the painful irony of this is that she lost the eye through the violence of her brother. Which would mean that her blindness which was caused by the male violence endemic to Islamic homes, and her continued blindness which is continued by the taqqiya of her parents who came here to get her treated, is now cause to kill her. Islam - spiritual Stalinism.

I don't think it counts, if your brother puts your eye out, to be considered the "dajjal". If it did then every Muslim brother would put his sister's eye out so he could claim that his sis was the all important dajjal. When you detest women like Muslim men do it's easy to want to take credit for having the baddest woman around.

From the Facebook posting: "You be the judge."

OK. You're full of crap. Next question?

Facebook needs to clean up their act.

Typical of a backwards, misogynistic, 7th-Century superstitious mindset -- that a female would presume to exercise her inalienable right to freedom of religion.

Clash of civilizations, anyone?

Apparently I am not alone in not knowing that this 'child' (double the age of Mohammed's wife Aisha at consummation) was blind in one eye, a fate I cannot imagine, probably suffered at the hand of her mahoundian 'father,' for some other imaginary offense. It is the duty of all mahoundian males to act in Allah's behalf and punish the inferior, the female, for all real and imaginary transgressions against Allah's will!

Nice work if you can get it.

But Mr. Spencer... I thought you were the Dajjal!

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/11/spencer-interviewed-at-the-rifqa-rally.html

Islam can be so confusing.

they've got the wrong person for Dijjal. I know one male with a blind right eye and dark curly hair. He fits the bill in almost every respect. He is evil but claims to be a "son of the manse" with a "moral compass". The compass unfortunately is compromised. He doesn't have kuffar engraved on his forehead but he is white which is effectively the same.
His name is Gordon Brown

A PS. Gordon Brown deceives as a life style and spends loads of time and cash courting Muslims and importing them for votes.

He surely is the Dijjal.

Arabs, hot tempered big-mouthed dumb machos.

he great evil figure of the Islamic end times, the Dajjal.

Sounds like a Good Idea!

We need more Muslims to stop believing the stuff they're fed from ancient Arabic legends.

Why?

It doesn't hold up to scrutiny, and belief in it is enforced through intimidation.

I've reported the facebook group for hate speech. Normally, I'm against censorship, but free speech does not include bullying and threats.

"The Islamic Jesus must come first"

It just dawned on me. He is already here.

His name is Barack Obama.

Threats in particular are, and should be, punishable.

Actually, it's precisely the threats implied in racism (the real stuff, not the phoney charges thrown around) that makes it offensive. 'Racism' is an opinion (a stupid one, but that's less important).

Threats and violence, be it based upon ethnicity, religion, sexual preferences, nationality etc., are crimes, and should rightly be punishable.

Take a family execution (commonly mislabeled 'honour killing'). This is a threat to anyone committing the same 'shameful' behaviour (like dating someone not approved by the family), and should thus not merely be punished as 1st degree murder for everyone involved, also as a threat against all women in similar situations.

'Message crimes', not 'Hate crimes', are the problem.

What is clearly an open and shut case, after careful deliberation, one that sets an example at state and federal level, one that should use this as an opportunity to draw bright lines to reaffirm civil and constitutional rights of an ex-Muslim (Rifqa) and that they are not violated but rather protected, serving as a warning to the followers of Islam, that strong arming, manipulation and taqiyya will simply not work here in America, instead, it has become a three-ring circus of sorts full of perils!

Does UnitedDhimmi States of America even have a Dept of Justice ?? Or are they themselves practicing taqiyya to secure the Islamic vote for the next elections?

Re: Islam. Only tiny little minds need apply.

Islam: religion of the Insane

Just when I think Islam can do nothing more to shock me, something like this appears.

What about Obamahdi? He's already here.

Salam,

Dajjal is more than a man, the word itself represents the human AND human traits that are not welcome to us muslims...and in the extreme....dangerous for us "as a community".

These traits are like "decieving", and/or unreliable to falsely lure...much like false jewellery, or false imagery, air-brushing....you get the idea...it's not the TRUTH.

Over time other words matching Dajjal have come up in Urdu/Arabic which give a sense of this. The word that jumps out at me instantly is "Kajjal"..i.e. "eye-liner".

It falsely enhances the eyes; but when applied by the hands of a master, it says (falsely) "look at me, I'm really beautiful". It can also shout "watch out", or it shouts "wealth" or "lust" and can get others to follow in their midst, particularly when matched with other equally false accessories like high heels and fish netting stockings.

Similarily, I don't think Dajjal will literally have the word "Kuffar" imprinted between the eyes....no! this is more of a metophorical meaning; that this man has all the traits of the kuffar in abundance...i.e. the true kuffar or the antichrist.

It is particularily interesting to me that "Kajjal" is related to eyes ...whence Dajjal will have a useless right one.

Rifqa obvioulsy wants to blame someone(with good reason)....but she seems to have lost out on proportion ...blaming the whole family and Islam for her bad luck.

She should be back with her family, although I can see that she will never have good sibling relations with her brother.

The one perspective not discussed here is that of her christian beliefs....had she NOT gone searching into that weak religion ...today she would still be of wholesome body...and a happy muslima.

Probably no one has asked her....christianity or her eye back? ...oh look the eyes have it!

Yom

Free Riqa...Lock up CAIR...Rifqa would be safer is she was Dajjal...Mahoundians were cautioned to stay away from him/her...
No Mahoundian can kill Dajjal, that's a job for Issa and Mahdi whenever they get here...But for all the obvious reasons, Rifqa is not Dajjal...If she was, she would have destroyed her captives long ago...

Is Islam a religion or just a bunch of lethal superstitions?

Look out! I just saw a black dog cross your path!

Yom...I guess you disagree with Mahound who was terrified by Dajjal, and prayed to Allah for relief...I mean, he was/is the 'perfect man and roll model', is he not? He thought that Dajjal had a human body, and walked around...Do you presume to know more about Dajjal than Mahound?

Yom...blaming the whole family and Islam for her bad luck.

Bad Luck? What does 'luck' have to do with it? As a pious Mahound, you should know that there is no such thing as luck...Either Allah wills something or he does not...Allah does not work with LUCK...You better say some extra prayers today, Allah heard what you said...

Yom, I can't answer for Rifqa, but as a Christian, I would sooner lose any body part, even my life, rather than renounce my faith.

"Does UnitedDhimmi States of America even have a Dept of Justice ??"

We used to, but at present they're busy ensuring that Guantanamo combatants are given all the rights and privileges that they would be refused, in military tribunals.

What is it that has everyone so worked up about this girl that they need such outrageous lies and superstitious suppositions, where she is concerned?

Why are they ready to assign her a male part, in their sick little drama? To do so is a very big deal! Is "Isa" a female, too? Enquiring minds want to know.

Salam Mrs J,

but the point here is that Rifqa DID renounce her faith?

If she did as you suggested....she would be a fine upstanding muslima today, instead of hiding & holding onto a failed faith.

Christianity and christians have always had it bad, from losing thier leader, to losing their identity through reformation, from thousands walking away from it every year, from dwindling church numbers and dwindlind sunday schools down to your archbishop Rowan Williams openly admitting his his love for Islam & it's inherent sthength.

Even early on, the Romans on seeing thair empire fall apart hijacked christianity and took it to Rome....so ironic considering that they were the ones who crucified your teacher.

Had they taken a different religion with them, my suspicions are that their empire would have remained a lot stronger and around a lot longer.

Mrs. J, what I am trying to say I think is that Christianity weakens whatever it touches ...you get me!

Yom

Salam Mrs J,

but the point here is that Rifqa DID renounce her faith?

If she did as you suggested....she would be a fine upstanding muslima today, instead of hiding & holding onto a failed faith.

Christianity and christians have always had it bad, from losing thier leader, to losing their identity through reformation, from thousands walking away from it every year, from dwindling church numbers and dwindlind sunday schools down to your archbishop Rowan Williams openly admitting his his love for Islam & it's inherent sthength.

Even early on, the Romans on seeing thair empire fall apart hijacked christianity and took it to Rome....so ironic considering that they were the ones who crucified your teacher.

Had they taken a different religion with them, my suspicions are that their empire would have remained a lot stronger and around a lot longer.

Mrs. J, what I am trying to say I think is that Christianity weakens whatever it touches ...you get me!

Yom

Well, if this Dajjal fellow shows up, we'll just have to sic da Jjolly Green Giant on him.

Yom,
You are disgusting and a liar. At least you're not blaming the Jews for crucifying Christ.

Although, you need to say more "Hail Mohammeds" now, too, because you admitted that Christ was killed, and not a ringer like your ridiculous, fascist political ideology espouses.

Islam isn't a faith, so there's nothing to renounce. Even I admit that Mohammed is Islam's prophet. So what? I wouldn't call that a saving grace.

You are such a liar and Rifqa is a thousand times the human being you will ever be, and your footprint in this world is to be washed away by the ocean.

The only thing the liar and paid misinformer from CAIR Dallas, Abdullah Mikhail and I EVER, EVER agreeed on is YOM EL JUMA.

He/She/It is a fake.

I keep waiting for the day when I see that NO ONE, NOT A SINGLE PERSON ON THIS SITE has fallen for the ruse and deigned to dignify the fakery of Yom el Juma with a response.

The longer you guys and gals keep responding to this fake muhammadan, the longer he/she/it will keep posting.

Since Yom el-Juma is a fake (not a muhammadan AT ALL!!!!) -- the responses, refutations, debates are of ZERO value.

Pure religious paranoia... if it was not for its being dangerous it would be good to laugh.

May God protect this little girl... She deserves every help not only from Christians but from all sane people, wherever may be...

I understand your point, Yankel, but are we not to engage (not necessarily trolls), but the enablers as well? What does it matter the originator of the argument, if it can be shown to have logical fallacies or inaccuracies?

I'm not talking about idiot, here, but in general?

Yankel,

Tum mera bara mein ..kuch nahin jaantaan
(written in Urdu it says...you know nothing about me).

You keep starting this ridiculous debate on me instead of sticking on the subject matter. Please grow up, let people make their own mind.

Yom (aka Naseem)

You're soooo full of shit, your eyes are BROWN!!!

Your eyes are brown, aren't they? Or are you going to lie about that too?

@Yom, the FAKE


Jhoota!!!

اپ لبار

You have a point, Yom, when you say that Christianity weakens whatever it touches. Christ touched Rifqa and weakened Islam. Rifqa saw the profound strength of the "weakness" of Christ and welcomed His light into her heart where before the darkness of islam dwelt. The strength of Christianity lies in the ability of Truth to conquer the heart, mind and soul and offer it's devotees the FREEDOM to choose Jesus and reject bondage. It's sword is Truth, whereas islam wields a sword of compulsion. It is indeed a weak religion that fears a 17 year old young lady who has embraced the peace of Christ in her heart and wishes only to extend that peace to her personal surroundings. Be that as it may, you may imprison a Christian, enslave him or even destroy his life but you cannot touch his soul. Her soul is secure and that displays the weakness of islam.

Salam Yankel,

so are YOU a hindoo or muslim or simply a bevakoof!!!

Whay are you trying to be a Yankee when clearly you are not!

Any "faith" that can be made impure by touching a dog or wiping your bottom with the wrong hand or having your "prayers" (curses) sullied by a woman in some arbitrary vector path (yes, because walls between the sexes really help God out!) isn't a faith at all.

Right on, Coramdeo...

Dear Yom and Mrs J.

Faith and belief in God is a personal matter and personal choice. This young woman has chosen to believe in an interpretation that is different from her family's choice. In America, this known as a freedom.

The issue I take with what is happening is that Islam sanctions violence against others and is in reality a system of societal control based on fear and intimidation. Let's move beyond the question of whose faith is stronger, which one is weaker if we can. I believe that Mrs J can since she is Christian as expressed in her post and the fundamentals of her religion are love and the Golden Rule. Yom, as you express it, your religion is based on fear, intimidation, and the destruction of free will by shari'a law.

As for false beauty or kajjal as you refer to it, can you provide some better linkage to your argument? Since the birth of human culture men and women have decorated and adorned their bodies in various fashions. Your comments on high heels and fishnets leads to project that maybe that's what's bugging you and where you were surfing the internet before hopping over here to this site. Oh by the way, if I recall correctly the world's #1 market for upscale lingerie happens to be the UAE (from a website that tracks consumer goods), one of those great "free" Muslim states.

And coming back to this concept of "weakness", human beings want to be free at the very core of their beings. Those who seek to control them are merely men (in Islam's) case corrupted by power, greed and lust.

Yom, if you happen to reside in the USA, I appreciate you speaking up and wish to encourage you to continue to do so. Why my fellow posters will ask? Simple, in Yom's arrogance he/she will ultimately help build the resistance to the evil of the Islamic belief system.

I am at war with your ideals and actions Yom as Islam is a threat to those who believe in the freewill of man.

Islam is my enemy. God and Faith are not.

Yom wrote: "Even early on, the Romans on seeing thair empire fall apart hijacked christianity and took it to Rome....so ironic considering that they were the ones who crucified your teacher."

Ironically, this view is more or less shared by millions of Christians today, and for the last five centuries; today mostly by the "non-denominationals" (i.e., those who think simply "being Christian" is superior to belonging to a denomination, probably the fastest growing type of Christian today, evidence -- in part, at least -- of a profound disaffection and historical illiteracy), while most of the mainstream Protestant denominations have for the most part moved beyond such unirenic and unecumenical attitudes.

"...but as a Christian, I would sooner lose any body part, even my life, rather than renounce my faith."

Agreed, MrsJ! ...they can have my head, but they will never have my heart 'cause that belongs to Jesus Christ.

Posted by Yom el Juma (the fake muhammadan) to Yankel:


"So are YOU a hindoo or muslim or simply a bevakoof!!!

"Whay are you trying to be a Yankee when clearly you are not!"


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Actually, yoma, I'm not a bevakoof, I'm ELEANOR OF AQUITANE!!!

For more about the real YANKEL:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleanor_of_Aquitaine

Yommie's scared of Rifqa! Yommie's scared of Rifqa!

Yom, You are so lost it boggles the mind. If Islam is the true religion, and Allah is so great why does he need a group of hateful psychos to carry out his will?

Can't Allah deal with a teenaged girl himself. The reality that supposed intelligent, mature men would want to harm a young woman openly displays to the world just how horrific your belief system is.

"but the point here is that Rifqa DID renounce her faith?"

No, Yom-seem, Rifqa rejected being treated like you. She rejected her dad's insistence that she be placed at a level below the men in the family. She rejected being considered a piece of meat to be given in "marriage" to anyone her dad chooses. She rejected being a production line for little jihadis. She rejected paying for her dad's insecurities regarding his issues with his "honor".

But the rejection came in second to What she chose. She chose a relationship with Christ and He said yes. It's interesting to think about, isn't it? All the Muslims around the world are saying no to Rifqa. But Jesus says yes, and that yes has set Rifqa free. She may or may not survive this physical world with all these damned Muslims gunning for her but whether she lives or dies, her spirit is free. She knows the truth, she's been set free and there's nothing you or any other Muslim can do to enslave her again.

"They may take our lives, but they'll never take our FREEDOM."

Mel Gibson, Braveheart

Jesus already came and brought a refinement of the Jewish eye for an eye barbarism. His message of love (even of enemies), forgiveness, faith, trust, compassion, honesty, purity, fidelity, etc can convert the animal human into a being in harmony with themselves and the world around them.
Muhammad is at least 'an' Anti-Christ if not 'the' Anti-Christ and here are just some of the reasons why.

Let’s start with the biographical information that is written about the founder of Islam by his early followers and those Muslims after him. Muhammad was; a mass murderer (sat and watched under his direction the beheading of all the arms capable men of the Banu Quraiza tribe, 800 total and the subsequent dumping of their bodies in a ditch. This killing procedure became common practice during his many raids and battles while creating an example to be followed by those that came after him. He killed or enslaved almost all those that opposed or disagreed with him. The continent of Africa is a modern day example of this malignant Islamic defect and also many of the defects listed below. All current Islamic countries and territories have used these methods to conquer the people that were in possession of the land before Muslims took over. Islam is now killing or preparing to kill millions or even billions of non-Muslims if they consider it necessary, as you read this, in order to have Islam be the only religion and Muslims the only people on earth.); adulterer/rapist (forced sexual relations with the wives of many of those whose husbands he had killed, in particular the wives of their leaders); pedophile (his second wife Aisha was betrothed to him at the age of 6 and he had intercourse with her at the age of 9 and only GOD knows how many other concubines and war booty females were children incapable of being anything other than a sexual object not fully a fully developed human. Muhammad’s pedophilic example has justified pedophilic marriages in our modern era. Because child brides may have been common in Muhammad’s day and other time periods does not minimize the corruption of sexual relations with children.); pimp (“You shall not force your slave-girls into prostitution in order that you may make money, if they wish to preserve their chastity. If any one compels them, God will be forgiving and merciful to them.”); terrorist (used terror, fear, death and torture to accomplish his goals and left terror manuals for his followers in the Koran, Hadiths and his biography); deceiver (pretended to be friendly with the Meccans and other tribes at the time through temporary truces and compromising language until he had the upper hand and then turned on them and killed them or forced them to covert while absorbing their material assets, as is happening around the world today in all nations. Islam can only offer a false temporary truce with non-Muslims because they are commanded to make all the world Islamic.); anti-Christ (Denied GOD had children yet claims GOD creates all things; gave permission to Dhimmify and/or kill Christians; denied alcohol which may have some social values yet robs Jesus' body and blood rememberance of him sacrament; minimizes Jesus to merely a prophet instead of the GOD'S chosen king in the Davidian lineage; ignores loftier spiritual message of Jesus; preaches non-stop demonizing hate speech and almost everything Muham did was anti-Christ); anti-Semite (Targeted Jews for death with extra zeal because of their power and resistance to conversion to a religion that was contrary to their ancient beliefs); anti-everyone (except those who submit to him; see Islamic source material Koran, Hadiths and Muhammad’s biography), idolater (continued to treat a black stone, stolen from pagan idolaters, with reverence and requires his followers to do the same by bowing down and directing their prayers to their God at the center of this black stone in the center of the idol of the Kabah which is in the center of the Idol of Mecca. None of these idols can hear, see, speak, smell, taste, touch, think, act, answer prayers nor help in any way.); dictator (ruled with a sharp sword and a gathering of assassins); slave owner and slave trader (Mature males were almost always killed or forced into conversion during his many raids and battles while the women and children were almost always enslaved and/or made into concubines. Muhammad had a special preference for trading slaves for horses and weapons.); suicide provocateur (labeled those who gave their lives for the attainment of his personal power labeled as the cause of God as the highest persons in Heaven); insanely jealous (would not speak to his child bride Aisha for a week for accepting a ride on another man’s camel because she was left behind. He created many insane restrictions on the interactions of men and women due to his sexual jealousy including the veil); looter/thief (robbed and killed traveling merchants on their trade routes only to take their valuables. Invaded numerous surrounding communities, killing and enslaving their population while taking all their belonging as booty. This taking of others belongings was the incentive and reward for himself and his followers. Everything that he and his followers owned was plundered from his neighbors. Looting was Muhammad’s business. This example can be seen in modern piracy and Islamic Imperialist movement around the globe. Many Muslims can’t wait to kill your men and take your possessions, women, land, wealth, etc). - Most Muslims do not want you to know these things about their leader and role model. They have done and will continue to do everything or anything to suppress this common knowledge. All criticism of Muhammad is forbidden for Muslims and Islam is doing whatever it currently can to forbid it for all non-Muslims. - With this kind of leader what more can we ask from Muhammad’s followers as is evidenced in every Muslim neighborhood or country on the planet. When Muslims kill, rape, murder, loot and pillage they are simply following their leader. When this barbarism occurs it often seems like such a surprise to outsiders or something that only those who are interpreting Islam incorrectly would do but this is authentic Islam. When Islam is not practiced with criminality and/or barbarism it is inauthentic. The justifications for terrorism, looting, murder, slavery, rape and suicide are found in the Islamic source material of the Koran, the Hadiths and the biography of Muhammad; they were not made up or misinterpreted by Muslims. If you are unconvinced you can still find these source materials in most bookstores. - If Muhammad was at any time a messenger of GOD then the faulty record keeping of the oral tradition that has been written in the Koran and Hadith by the Muslims of the day and practiced by his current followers, has buried him under barbaric and earthly references to him and the subsequent practice of this brutality and animal-like religious training and practices. The Koran is more than likely his words because of the relative speed in which the material contained within was assembled as a book while the Hadiths may be a little sketchy. - Because other nations, religions and individuals have done what Muhammad has done or worse, does not justify Muhammad’s actions. He would have been arrested, chemically castrated and/or hung by even the most civilized country in the world today for most of his actions and behavior.

Yom, when I talked about my faith, it was an illustration of how a Christian feels, nothing to do with a declaration of faith in Islam.

Islam even allows you to pretend that you are not a Muslim if the circumstances warrant this action.

I would sooner die than reject my Lord.

Yom, I urge you to look into the truth of Christianity, truth that will set you truly free.

rico | January 13, 2010 7:18 PM

You are wise beyond your years. I totally agree with you.

The killings must stop world wide. Short of Muslims killing every kafir world wide, there is only one way to stop this madness.

Which is to help all of those whom leave Islam. It may only be a few right now. But soon it will be 100's of thousands. And then millions of apostates each month.

Is Islam a religion or just a bunch of lethal superstitions?

That's a thesis that can actually be examined. Look for the roots of every Islamic practice and figure out if it's just superstition (stuff like Camel urine, Zam-Zam water, Hajj, Holy Black Stones etc.) and discard it if it is.

Continue ad nauseam.

If anything remains, it should be examined to see if it's a religion.


This is a response to the continued discussion revolving around Yom el juma.

First and foremost, it is the small minded people who fear and destroy what they cannot understand.

Nothing Yom and his cronies can say will negate the fact that Rifqa Bary made a choice. To them, her choice was an abomination, but to those us who were raised in country where freedom was as much a part of our DNA as brown hair, freckles and a tendency to look like one's own grandmother, her choice was a liberation.

Being born and raised in the United States of America, where we are guaranteed our right to freedom of religion, I have no problem with people expressing their beliefs. What I do have a problem with, is people who curtail the expression of rights given to us by the Constitution.

I agree that Mrs. J is right, you can take my lands, my money, my freedom but you will NEVER take my faith in my Lord. (who Yom, if you have not had the synapses to guess is Jesus Christ)

I believe that my life is not my own, and nothing this side of heaven would make me renounce my Lord, not even the torture of my body, my mind or those I love.

Yom, this is the choice Rifqa made. She chose. You live here, or at least you say you do, how can you not understand freedom of choice?

But, as I have said, you and others like you, cannot accept the word NO. You cannot stand to be disobeyed which sends YOU into a rage. Islam, and muslim tradition reinforces this mentality

It is through Christ's sacrifice that we are able to admit that we are sinners, and the ability through belief in His Redeeming Blood, to confess and be forgiven, thus saving us from damnation.

Through this confession, we are saved by the grace of Almighty God.

You fail to realize that when Rifqa said no it was a No to:

Subjugation.
Religious based slavery.
Sexual mutilation and sanctioned rape.
Mental and physical abuse
Religious intolerance.

and Yes to:

Salvation in Jesus Christ. She admitted her sin, believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, and confessed it. Because of this, her soul was saved.

“My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. I and my Father are one.” John 10 v.27-29

Rifqa has solace that even through the trials she is experiencing, the glorious thing is Yom and other muslims cannot make her a muslim ever again. She is free.

Mrs. J:

Yom can spit out all the hate speech which in my estimation must be his lack of education, and the fecal machinations of his small minded mind, all he likes.

We can pray for his salvation, but as I have said earlier it is all about choice, and it would seem he has made his.

And thank the Lord Jesus Christ our Rifqa has made hers.

One more thing,

I will sign my own name Yom, because unlike you, I am unafraid of you or anyone else you can muster up to scare me.


Jacqueline Hardy

one willing servant of Christ.

GRAVEN IMAGE: "This is not merely a worldview that is immoral–it *is the virtual inversion of morality*."

You are describing the entire religion of Islam.

I agree with 90% of what you said. But what now? Remember Muslims believe Muhammad, and have (without question) for 1400 years. I agree most Muslims did not have a free choice when it came to out faith if any to follow. Therefor, 99% do not know the truth concerning Christianity or any other religion.

Does that mean they must be killed? Of course not. Our civil laws try to give everyone freedom enough to choose for themselves on a daily bases what is right and what is wrong. In the United States we have all been told several hundreds of times, "NOT TO KILL". Unless is it in self defense of course.

Muslims have never heard that not even once. They really believe that we are evil kafirs, and therefor must be killed. Killing evil can't be bad right? I mean we do it here by means of capital punishment.

But of course there is a huge difference between capital punishment, and honor killings, or killing kafirs. Under civil law, we do not kill someone (anyone) for what they believe. We only kill them for what they do, after they have their day in a no-bias court. Apostates don't get a day in court. Kafirs don't get a day in court. We kafirs have already been judged 1400 years ago.

I'm very sure there is one God, whom made heaven and earth, and everything in it, and on it. That includes every human-being. But wait, that means we are all children of the same God. Who then are we, to distroy what God has created?

Think about it,....

We are not God, we are not even little Gods running around the earth judging for God, or in place of God, whom should live or who should die. Although some days I wish I had something to say about it. Fact is God will judge us all one day. It may be time to give that some thought?

I posted it once everyone, please don't get mad if it did it three times. Can't figure why.....


keep the faith mrs. j!


jackie

This sounds like not much but every day I log onto www.rifqabary.com. Most days it doesn't change but I still visit everyday. If you by chance haven't done anything for her yet, just log on. The site has information about contributing to her legal fund and a lot of information on the case including where to send her cards at. My ability to help her is somewhat limited as maybe is yours. But just visit the site everyday.

Yankel, thank you for the link to Eleanor of Aquitaine - participant in the Second Crusade, mother of Richard the Lion Heart - surely one of Christendom's most remarkable and powerful women, and one who would naturally terrify Muslims. Like Isabella of Castile, she's a wonderful person to choose as a model in this age.

Salam Jackie,

You have to remember that a child born in a muslim family absolutely promised Allah SWT whilst in the womb to praise and remain faithful to him. Rifqa moving out of Islam is a failure for Rifqa and her family....further THEY still have to live amongst the ummah...and to think that Rifqa has adopted an inferior religion ...I mean how humilating is that?

Many here including yourself Jackie have expressed love for Jesus Pbuh saying that your spirit has already been sold to him.

You have to remember (and thus is important) that your ancestors in Turkey, Sudan , Egypt will have said EXACTLY that...but it didn't work out like that. In essence today's muslims there are yesterday's christians...and you know it's true.

I'm sorry that you have settled for a faith that has continuously let you down for over 2000 years...pick Islam...everyone's a winner babe.

Yom

"...pick Islam"

I did ...and then I flicked it into the toilet where it belongs.

Flush it, Yom ...we aren't interested in your bogus iSlime.

She's got one eye so she's the Dajjal...?

Anyone care to tell them that her family did this to her, with their own hands, and lied about who did it.

First they took the eye, and took no responsibility, now, they want to take her life after her soul.... and then take no responsibility, except of course, in so far as Allahu Akbar.

Oh icch

Mark

Been keeping the faith since 1984!

Blessings, Jackie.

-Jean.

"You have to remember that a child born in a muslim family absolutely promised Allah SWT whilst in the womb to praise and remain faithful to him."

Reminds me of the Monty Python song "Every Sperm Is Sacred"

(With apologies to the Python team)

I'm a Devout Muslim,
And have been since before I was born,
And the one thing they say about Islam is:
They'll take you as soon as you're warm.
You don't have to be a six-footer.
You don't have to have a great brain.
You don't have to have any clothes on. You're
A Muslim the moment Dad came!

Seriously, Yom - how can you make a promise whilst still in the womb?

Yes, you are right, Rifqa is more American than most muslims in the usa. She maybe be an illegal, she may not have the proper documentation, thanks to her parents. But she is more american then they are. She deserves to stay here while her parents, cair, and most immigrant muslims should be sent packing to the nearest international airport for one way flights back to their islamic hell holes.

Yes, you are right, Rifqa is more American than most muslims in the usa. She maybe be an illegal, she may not have the proper documentation, thanks to her parents. But she is more american then they are. She deserves to stay here while her parents, cair, and most immigrant muslims should be sent packing to the nearest international airport for one way flights back to their islamic hell holes.

Yom,

Actually, I'm only 41 and so far my faith in God hasn't let me down... And it appears that their faith in Jesus hasn't let either Jackie or MrsJ down either. My freewill enables my faith in God and today, as in everyday, I turn my will over to his care and protection but that doesn't mean I turn off my brain. So I say to you, deal with the present lest you get tripped up in facts of history.

But hey, if you want to revisit 2,000 years of history, please let's do so. I'll enjoy pointing out where in the ebb and flow of this battle for the goodness of humanity's soul, islam has gotten its proverbial but kicked. I'll also fully admit when the forces of the non-islamic world have been pushed back. Pushed back, but never defeated in full-scale military conquest in the past 2.5 centuries. So if everyone loves a winner as you say in a manner to imply that islam is THE winner, why don't you go ask the Egyptians, Palestinians and others around Israel what its like to LOSE to the JEWS? Not once, but on several occasions in the 20th century. LOSING sucks doesn't it?

Thank you for once again doing a good job of illustrating the behavior and mental gymnastics of an underdeveloped and brain-washed mind and frankly, a sore LOSER.

Now my next question for you may get theological and I would ask you, if you are mentally capable, to elaborate how a Christian "sells" their spirit to Christ? I'm struggling to recall my CDC teachings but somehow I can't recall the section on "Transactions and fees for the salvation of your soul." Since I am merely an ignorant, free man can you point out the shari'a section that defines how much my salvation will cost in your system? Oh that's right, shari'a was written by a bunch of thugs, slave traders and other despicable power drunk men in the 7th century when they had some momentum in the early stages of this battle of freewill versus subservient oppression (islam). Now to be fair, I'm not current on my history of fees and levies of the Christian Church in the 2nd-18th centuries, but I'm pretty sure that there is no mention of one having to "sell one's soul to Christ" to achieve salvation. Funny, there's no mention in Christian doctrine either of killing one's enemies in order to receive compensation in what your repulsive system views as currency (Female Virgins). When are you planning on attempting your transaction of "martyrdom"? Isn't that what your "rule book" masquerading as faith compels you to do? Please post it here so that we can alert the appropriate authorities to arrest you.

Do you have FAITH in God or are you an incorrigible, malcontent that lusts for power over your fellow men, women and children? If you are the latter, and it appears you are based on your posts then I will pray for you. Can you articulate the difference between faith, spirituality and religion? IF, the spark of God's love is still somewhere in your soul, then reclaim your freewill, accept God's love and lay down your arms!

If you want to be a thug and support those who attack freedom, then bring it on and be prepared that you will lose your freedom and potentially your life.

BeaconofLight
(From behind enemy lines somewhere in the Malaysian Peninsula)

PS. For Mrs J and Jackie, may the blessings of Jesus Christ be upon you and your families. May he bless your strength and commitment for standing up for humanity in the fight against the evil manifestation of islam.


Very good, MrsJ! And so Yom reveals yet another strange and awful aspect of Islam: that their children are given to Allah, enslaved to Allah, before they are even born. They belong to Allah; how can they reject Allah - like runaway slaves - when they belong to him? Runaway slaves, as per Islam, have to be caught and killed, BY OTHER SLAVES. It is a closed system.
It gets creepier all the time.

He makes the case for Rifqa's attorneys: the humiliation of having a grown daughter turn from Islam after making such a serious promise prenatally (!) must be such a giant humiliation to her family. What a failure they are as parents.

I'd say they did a really good job. Look at Rifqa. Isn't she great?

But, as Yom so helpfully points out, it doesn't matter about her intellect, her character, her admission that she loves her parents anyway, what she has to offer her adopted country...no, none of that matters.

Only that the Muslim community is so ashamed of these awful parents for allowing their fetus to break a promise that she's going to have to be killed. It's like a twisted version of annulment...honor killings. We'll just make it like she was never born, see, and then no promises have been broken! There. All better.

And this is the faith you espouse? This is the winning team you belong to?

I have a question to ask Yom. If the Christian faith is so bad, WHY is it that the Christian faith is growing and spreading, to such places as the global south?

Christianity is BOOMING in Africa,Asia,and Latin America, and in a special way, the Evangelical, Catholic, and Anglican Churches.

Salam winoceros,

If you read any of my posts I have NEVER asked for Rifqa to be honor killed or be subject to any violence. You sir, are putting grotesque extensions to what I said.

What I DID say and have ALWAYS mainatained is that Rifqa belongs with her family and must return to being a muslima....that 's all.

Why is that so hard....her parents love her, and by entension so does Allah SWT.

The honor killing bit is YOUR fantasy...only yours....and has nothing to do with me or Rifqa's family.

Yom

I did not say her parents would kill her, necessarily, and I did not infer you said it. I said that the humiliation is so great, because they are Muslim, that she is in danger de facto. From whom remain to be seen, but it is easily seen.

I implied nothing of the sort. I'm sure her parents do love her, very much. That, sir, is a non-issue. She does not belong to her family, except in a strictly legalistic sense. Her safety trumps any family ties, as is true in any abuse or perceived neglect case where minors are concerned.

Does the family's humiliation put Rifqa at risk of death, or not? That is all I am asking.

Salam winoceros

Thank you for calrifying that. I think that like all familes who have been put through the mill as a result of their child's bad behaviour ....she will be mildly rebuked, have a nice hot meal, bath and early bed.

I personally have no doubt that her parents will protect her from adverse publicity and undue attention from zelous Imams and the like.

At home , she has nothing to worry about....and in time I'm sure that her parents will find her a fine muslim husband.

Yom

Salam Catgirl,

Christianity is not so bad as it is weak. It's as if you are afflicted with an illness all of a sudden. It renders you from taking positive action for your self...why would you want to be afflicted with that in your life?

Christianity initially spreads where the people are poor, where there is hunger, and famine....i.e. parts of Africa

Ultimately Islam then has to come in and pick up the pieces; what with the excellent work via the red creasant and Islamic charities. These people than want to convert to Islam after being grateful....and of course they are most welcome.

I hope this helps your questioning mind

Yom

Yom states:

"What I DID say and have ALWAYS mainatained is that Rifqa belongs with her family and must return to being a muslima....that 's all."

Rifqa is not a five year old child. She is nearly 18, and certainly old enough to decide for HERSELF whether or not she "belongs with her family", and/or whether or not she "must return to being a muslima".

Essentially, Yom is stating that he neither BELIEVES Rifqa's testimony: that her father both threatened to kill her and that he struck her in the eye causing subsequent damage -- and, that she suffered from years of abuse at the hands of her father and mother. And Yom also doesn't believe in her right to choose her own walk with God, or to choose probably ANYTHING for her OWN life.

"Why is that so hard....her parents love her, and by entension so does Allah SWT."

Such a revolting comment which stems from a heart in revolt to God.

Love her, eh? Wow. Her parent's don't love her. Yom thinks it LOVING for a father to threaten to kill his own DAUGHTER and to punch her in the eye. Love doesn't threaten in any way shape or form, but is kind and patient; and love does not demand its own way.

Yoms comment serves to show just how deep the evil rivers flow within a heart and mind on islam.

Lastly, I pray that the one true God would protect Rifqa from her horrible parent's, and from other likeminded evil men and women, as well.

Yom,

"Christianity is not so bad as it is weak. It's as if you are afflicted with an illness all of a sudden. It renders you from taking positive action for your self...why would you want to be afflicted with that in your life?"

To respond back to you, the truth is that the Christian faith IS NOT WEAK. As a matter of fact, IT IS MUCH STRONGER then it given credit for. Best example is that there are a lot of Christian aid groups helping out in the earthquake ravaged nation of Haiti, helping the survivors of that disaster. Also more aid is coming from non-Muslim countries. Have the Muslim nations been helping?

Also in response to your question, if I was to have been afflicted with an illness all of a sudden, I would ASK to be prayed over for HEALING, since I do BELIEVE in that God does HEAR PRAYER and does HEALS PEOPLE who are ill.

Also I have another question. If your Koran is so good, WHY is it that Koran 4:34 PERMITS or rather ALLOWS husbands to beat or abuse physically their wives?

Thank-you for your response.

bigcatgirl13106

bigcatgirl, you wonder why the Quran lets husbands beat their wives? Hasn't Yom explained that enough already with his talking about how strong Islam is? The strength of Islam is the exact same kind of strength that an abusive husband has over his terrified wife, so of course such an act would be sanctified.

And as someone who has been in a (mostly) psychologically abusive relationship, I can say that I know plenty about that sort of strength having been on the receiving end of it more than enough.

And I guess that's what has me kind of ticked off with the way Yom is talking about strength and weakness. What he's saying about Rifqa needing to go back to her parents and be a slave to the tyrannical strength of Islam is so much like what I heard from the brute I had to deal with 'Oh if you just come back and be sorry everything will be good. There may be a little punishment, but it won't be anything out of proportion to what you did, just don't question anything anymore or try and assert your own sense of self.' His emphasis on weakness and strength is also the same. The guy who I let myself be abused by was always talking of the virtues of strength alone as though how hard he could hit something or easily he could do harm was more important than anything else.

Only because Islam treats women very badly is why I ask Yom that question so I can see what he presents of that question. I stand on my comments.

More tripe from Yom:

"....and in time I'm sure that her parents will find her a fine muslim husband."

Yom is an atypical misogynistic muslim Dreamer, and big surprise ...he's not at all attentive to what RIFQA wants! Yom is clearly living in la-la-land to make a statement like that.

Rifqa doesn't want a relationship with her parent's right now -- and with good reason, so why would she want their input on a mate. And it's doubtful that she may EVER want a relationship with them -- but that is up to her. And Rifqa doesn't want to be a muslim either; instead, she has chosen to become a Christian, so I think it's highly unlikely that she would want to marry a muslim.

Bottom line, Yutz, these are choices and decisions for RIFQA to make! ...not You, her parent's, or anyone else.

Yom is the epitome of dysfunction and an enabler of abuse and violence ...not to mention the epitome of arrogance, stupidity, and irresponsibility.


I would love to ask all:


How many days until she is 18? And will that day be one of liberation or will it be when DFACS in Ohio no longer has jurisdiction, allowing her parents to no longer be subject to court orders or the jurisdiction of the courts.

Will her parents send her away? Marry her off? or will she just disappear?

Can she petition for asylum and be freed? Will they let her leave?

Mrs. J, can u just see how this will be seen by her parents and other muslims as a terrible precedent? I fear they will not let that happen.

It would send a terribly clear message that through Christianity other muslimas can escape the oppression of islam.

what are your thoughts?

We need to rescue her asap!


jackie

I would love to ask all:


How many days until she is 18? And will that day be one of liberation or will it be when DFACS in Ohio no longer has jurisdiction, allowing her parents to no longer be subject to court orders or the jurisdiction of the courts.

Will her parents send her away? Marry her off? or will she just disappear?

Can she petition for asylum and be freed? Will they let her leave?

Mrs. J, can u just see how this will be seen by her parents and other muslims as a terrible precedent? I fear they will not let that happen.

It would send a terribly clear message that through Christianity other muslimas can escape the oppression of islam.

what are your thoughts?

We need to rescue her asap!


jackie

Dear Yom,

Bravo! The narrowness of your ideology is a delightful amusement! Do you have a rudimentary understanding of the concept of freewill? As for your words below, I'm stunned by the depths of your denial and acceptance of fact:

"At home , she has nothing to worry about....and in time I'm sure that her parents will find her a fine muslim husband."

Hello, anyone seen Yom's higher reasoning functions? Her father threatened to KILL her. And your patronizing description of her as a misbehaving little child as opposed to a young woman on the verge of adulthood baffles my mind. An ideology that seeks to legitimize violence against women is despicable.

Yom, do you have any children? Say you have a daughter and you sell her marriage to some other nice muslim male and he beats her for no reason, rapes her if she doesn't acquiesce to his demands. How would you feel? Are you capable of feeling? Wouldn't you do everything in your power to save her? Or does your Pavlovian conditioning in islam assume that she is the one who has caused these problems?

As a MAN, a father and a husband, I can not comprehend inflicting violence on women with my hands or words. Hell has a special place for rapists and those who inflict harm on the weak. The good news is that hell is as infinite as heaven, so you don't have to worry about missing out on a spot if you continue to deny God's love and support the ideology of hatred and oppression that is islam.

I also chuckled at your other post that claims that islam has to clean up the pieces left behind in Africa and other places. Again, your lack of history is sad and amusing. Here's a little history lesson for you as to which came first: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Red_Cross_and_Red_Crescent_Movement
Also revisit some other history to understand the root of Africa's problems. I think that you may actually confuse it with what is known as the "golden age of islam" as the caliphates first spread the ideology of hatred with the sword and not the colonialism of the European age. The wreckage caused by islam make the European efforts that much easier.

I hope that as Rifqa lives freely in the country where "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness." are guaranteed and that the thugs of islamic thought will leave her alone. Better yet, maybe she'll fall in love with a decorated American or Israeli service man. Now wouldn't that just get your islamic knickers in a real twist?

Again, Yom, please keep posting as I'm not bored with your mechanical responses and inability to think freely. You do all of us in the resistance a service by making our points for us.

"Give me liberty or give me death!"


"Yom, do you have any children?"

God, I hope not!

Yom-seem has a son who she was worrying would marry an English Christian girl a few years back.

BTW Jackie, Yom is a woman who used to post here as Naseem. But in her quest to convince all of us that she's not Naseem she will tell you that she is a Yom al Juma, a virile man. But I don't know any virile men that will tell you about how virile they are. That's a stupid woman's argument, not a virile man's.

Agreed, Isa! ...add to the fact that most of us think of a "virile" man as someone that sired more than ONE child, lol! I 'm just sayin' .....

Dear Yom,

Is it true what others say here? Are you indeed a woman?

An honest answer if you are capable of living an honest life, if you would please.

Beacon of Light

Yom, I have another question for you. Are you a FEMALE or a MALE? Be honest.

Well, now doesn't shed a ray of sunshine on this conversation.

She must just love us now.

I know why she condones the beating of Rifqa.

She is a battered woman.

She not only has a case of stockholm syndrome, but cannot allow a woman with more moral fiber (just in case her pig infested filthy mouth cannot understand whom we mean:)

Naseem we mean RIFQA a woman of incredible love, charity and fortitude, who will not only endure the many slanderingings by people like you and others who are not only small minded, but so brow-beaten and brainwashed by centuries of islamic ideology, she will love you despite your shortcomings.


I feel so terribly sorry for you. I also feel sorry for your son, because due to you, he will probably never truly feel unconditional love through someone who loves not only him, but my Lord Christ.


Naseem, despite your anger, shame and disgust I pray for you. I hope that through our Lord Jesus that salvation comes to you, all your family so that you can truly understand how much we worry and care for this girl.

You may not believe me, but I am only one willing servant of Christ.

And through Christ, all things are possible.


Jackie

Yom/Naseem won't return to this thread...too much opposition.

Jackie, I pray for Naseem too. Let's do an intervention and pray for her conversion, you want to? Champ, you're a praying woman too. Beacon, Onewilling and anybody else who wants to, join us and let's put this Muslim woman out of her misery and confusion and send her some peace once and for all. All the pretending that Rifqa can just go back to her family and everything will be hunky dory won't change the fact that even if she is delusional, Yom-seem is advocating Rifqa's death. Let's pray for an end to her diabolical disorientation.

I vote we pray for an Easter conversion.

I will join with all to pray for Naseem's conversion to Christ. Thanks for the invite.

I will also pray for Naseem, that she might come to know the real truth which will set her free. John 8:32. (it was my school motto).

Easter is fitting - a time for defeating evil and rebirth of salvation.

I too will join.
We are all wanting what is best for you Naseem.


Naseem, just so you know, Christ died for you too.


jackie

Yes! ...I will humbly and wholeheartedly pray for Yaseem, and will continue to confront purported lies in the process.

Easter most certainly would bring glory to God! :-)

Been following this thread, and really wanted to post this for the record, but didn't get around to it until now.

Yom's comment....

The one perspective not discussed here is that of her christian beliefs....had she NOT gone searching into that weak religion ...today she would still be of wholesome body...and a happy muslima.

Probably no one has asked her....christianity or her eye back? ...oh look the eyes have it!

....reminded me about notable Muslims who've also lost an eye....

Mullah Omar
Abu Hamza

So what caused Mr. Hamza and Mr. Omar's eyes to be similarly lost and their body to be similarly "unwholesome"? Were they also "searching into that weak religion" like Rifqa?

And speaking of "unwholesome bodies", consider Ahmed Deedat, renowned Islamic evangelist. He spent the last 9 years of his life completely paralyzed from a stroke, to the point where he was unable to speak or even swallow. So if you're going argue that bad religious choices = bad health, you gotta ask -- for an evangelist to be made physically unable to speak has gotta make you wonder what deity he ticked off that rendered him so.

I will join with you and I will add her, Yom/Naseem, to my prayer list. God and Christ have already called to her, so let us pray that this time she may hear.

Let us also pray for all women who are subjugated to the terror and oppression in islamic society. May they find the courage to stand up for their freedom and may we of the free world have the moral fortitude to help them.

Notice all that she is unusually silent. I guess she figures that since she is no longer able to poke at all of our better sensibilities, she is no longer of any value to her purpose of irritating us.


let me know of any other note worthy threads.


jackie

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