It's racism! It's profiling! Passengers flying to U.S. from 13 Muslim countries (and Cuba) will face extra security checks

Watch for the howls from groups that pretend to be interested in American security but are in reality only interested in furthering the Islamic jihad.

This is a good start, but there are some conspicuous omissions: Egypt, Indonesia, etc. There are no jihadists there, I suppose. And what about a Nigerian or Pakistani national traveling to the U.S. from Britain?

"US imposes extra security checks on air passengers from 14 countries," from the Guardian, January 4 (thanks to Benedict):

Foreign passengers flying into the United States from 14 mostly Muslim countries deemed to have links with terrorism are to face extra security checks at airports from today amid signs of increased nervousness in the US after the failed attempt to blow up a passenger jet on Christmas Day.

The US transportation security administration announced that everyone flying into the US from or through these countries would go through "enhanced screening" at airports.

The list includes Nigeria, home of Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, the failed suicide bomber who tried to blow up a Detroit-bound passenger plane using an explosive device hidden in his underpants. It also includes Yemen, where it is claimed he was trained.

The other "countries of interest" are Afghanistan, Algeria, Iraq, Lebanon, Libya, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and Somalia, and four countries the US regards as state sponsors of terrorism: Cuba, Iran, Sudan and Syria.

From today US airports have also been instructed to increase "threat-based" screening of passengers who may be acting in a suspicious manner. The screening will include full-body pat-downs, bag searches, full-body scanning and scans by explosive detection technology....

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Paying close attention to people who act suspiciously? Or people who come from places where we know they have tried to hurt us or are anxious to hurt us?

Noooooo . . . really?

What is next? Stopping people who drive like drunks to see if they are drunk? Paying close attention to people who have on gang clothing or have massive criminal records?


About time.

Excellent. About bloody time.

Suck on that you jihadists! Take that Ibrahim Hooper!

There must be some serious sh*t going on with AQ for such a drastic step to be taken that is so obviously directed at Muslim countries. I hope the backlog of orders for Predators and Reapers isn't too long. Of course, I wonder how long it will take for the U.N. to condemn this action, and for Obama and Napolitano to fold and reverse this, when the inevitable CAIR and the ACLU complaints are filed? ...3...2...1...

I can tell you that all passengers in Copenhagen who were headed for Washington/Dulles this morning went through a secondary security check where ALL of their carry-on was hand searched and x-rayed. No profiling; everyone was checked.

What about Muslims entering the US from Europe? It's the religion, not the point of origin.

Damn it. How come they forgot Britain?

Cant wait for the reaction of muslim men to being screened, and in particular to their womenfolk appearing 'naked' on a screen at airports. Somehow, I think there is going to be a big backlash from this. I know that the next time I travel from Amsterdam to the Middle East, which I do on a fairly frequent basis, I will place myself behind a muslim veiled woman and wo betide if I get put through the scanner and she doesn't! The chickens are coming home to roost and am so glad these people of the peaceful religion will now have a taste of their own medicine.

Finally! This policy is overdue by about 10 years.

Why is it unreasonable to catagorically restrict all moslems to surface transportation? As a young boy during WW11, I lived with my grandparents on the west coast of Canada, one block from the shipyard where my grandfather worked as a pipefitter. There was a very nice and well-liked Japanese family a few doors down, which was relocated to the interior of our country after Pearl Harbor. Everyone on the block was sorry when it happened, but no one doubted that it had to be done. What on earth has happened to us now? To my perhaps unsophisticated mind, it seems that in view of the fact that the only ones blowing up 'planes are moslems, adherents to this religion must be barred from air travel.
We of the politically correct west have been conditioned over the last forty years like Pavlov's dog to spring to the defence of any one who attacks us, in my view a highly self-destructive mindset. It's up to the moslems, not us, to show that they have matured to the point that they might be trusted. I myself have observed little effort on their part to do so.
Now, a gripe: why on earth is Cuba on the "countries of interest list?" When was the last time that country initiated a terrorist attack against anyone? Quite the contrary; the last terrorist attack involving Cuba which I recall was the unsuccessful plot to assassinate Castro during a state visit to Panama, the four perpetrators of which were enabled to escape Panamanian justice by the CIA, and who now, shielded from extradition proceedings, brazenly strut their stuff in Florida. Perhaps readers will recall that the ringleader is subject to a Venezuelan warrent charging him with the murder of ninety-seven persons aboard a sabotaged aircraft.
Fifteen of the nineteen 9/11 assasins were Saudis - how many were Cuban? The US continues to vilify Cuba in particular and Latin America in general, while your last two presidents have shamelessly groveled before the nepotistic dictators of the most repressive country on the face of the earth.
If some Latin American countries harbor anti-Ammerican sentiments Uncle Sam has no one to blame but himself; what else would one expect from those who during the course of their lives have witnessed the US come to the aid of every tinpot dictator in the region since the days of Teddy R? The illustrious list includes such freedom loving luminaries as Batista, Trujillo, Somoza father and son, Pinochet, Fujimora, Stroessner, Noriega (don't forget that he was on the CIA payroll for twenty years!)
We must unite and cooperate to halt islamification; any time wasted on non-issues serves only to allow our treacherous enemy to steal yet another march.

Egypt will be next on the list when an Egyptian islamist gets caught trying to bomb another plane or actually gets it done.

Finally some good news. And about time too.
How long can this last only time will tell.
Methinks PC MSM will take it up on behalf of the muslims and obama will retract the orders.
But till then its all good.
In fact I hope the rule is stretched further to severe checking based on the religion of the traveller, because as Cornelius says, its the religion, not the point of origin, which is the problem.

Profiling the Israeli way means: ALL MUSLIMS ALL THE TIME.

Was Xmas Condom Bomber an intelligence failure? It doesn't take much intelligence to detect a radicalized Muslim and heighten airport security for him, only about as much as a 5th grader.

It's too bad that Pres. Obama still doesn't want to do his duty of protecting the American people by instituting Muslim Ideological Profiling (MIP) to detect signs of radicalization, but still wants to play games with their safety by limiting the profiling to country of origin. Sorry, but only radicalized Muslims are going to strap a bomb to their crotch and set it off hoping for Allah's paradise for murdering infidel non-Muslims, and even they rely on the plane being full of them.

If MIP had been in place since 2000, there would have been no 9/11, Beltway Snipers, Ft. Hood Massacre, of Xmas Condom Bomber. What will it take, another horrible tragedy? Subjecting the 99% of non-Muslims to any kind of heightened security measures because of 1% of the 1% of Muslims is the true violation of civil rights. Islam isn't a race, and while it is only a religion for some, those who become radicalized cross the line into becoming dangerous political and military enemies of the U.S., and should be handled accordingly.

It's not unconstitutional to profile only Muslims when it's the Muslim holy book that is the source of the radicalization. As the Supreme Court has already put it, the Constitution isn't a suicide pact. But the govt. must start protecting the American people now, that's its duty, and let the courts sort it out later, the good old American way. And it doesn't take a rocket scientist to detect a radicalized Muslim, they give themselves away every time they open their mouths or post on the Internet.

As the new decade dawns, why not take time to study the history of Islam from its radical beginnings in the 7th cent. when it began a violent offensive against the rest of the world and gave the West hell for over a thousand years until its military defeat in Vienna in 1683 that made the modern world possible. Study free online with the Historyscoper by clicking http://go.to/islamhistory

You beat me to it - I was going to ask why not England AND HOLLAND!!!!!! - the very country that this last guy came through, and probably the world's next Muslim country.

Salaam,

Whilst I think that some extra checks maybe ok, this is a bit of a knee jerk reaction, particularily to my beloved Pakistan.

The trouble with a wish list created in America is that it tends to be copied willy-nilly by other countries who do not have your terrorism troubles.

I already know a few friends who have the green Pak passport and they have have enormous difficulty already to get visas simply for normal daily business. Travel to and from Pak to America should be made EASIER and NOT harder. I wiould love to see at least some support from people reading this to take Pakistan off this list.

Also I think This will make it harder for Americans to travel abroad, why put up with this sort of hassle?

I agree with Cornelius: It's Islam, not where people are comng from. This doens't go far enough.

And I believe this will only be temporary and we'll be back to same ol'~same ol' soon.

Yom, you must be joking.
Take pakistan off the list?
Remember where the 26th November terrorists in Bombay came from?
Saudi money coupled with afghani and paki manpower is wreaking havoc all over the world.
For the first time USA has taken a step in the right direction.
Next step should be religious profiling.
No prizes for guessing which religion will be faced with severe checking requirements.

Yeah, allright! The failed Christmas Day Islamic Jihad turned out to be a huge blessing for us Infidels!

"Suck on that you jihadists! Take that Ibrahim Hooper!" - efoc

Yeah! Oh, but call him "Doug" or "Dougie," by his Christian name!

#1 on the list: Insane Pak. Totally nuts, filled with raving lunatic "allah-worshippers" and tribal bedouins who sell their 3-year-old daughters as "vani." Pak has got to be one of the most immoral places on Earth, along with Sudan and the "Democratic Republic" of the Congo.

#2 Stop letting any Pakistanis into the U.S. Stay in your own country.

#3 Here's why Americans and other "Infidels" have to put with "hassle" now when flying: Islam. Islam. Islam and Islam. The "Kill the Infidels" and "Slay the Unbelievers" Arabian political ideology cloaked as a religion.

Any questions?

It's racism! It's profiling!

I couldn't care less! It is Good, and this is what WE need.

That Cuba has been included is a token to deflect the obvious charge: That this is targeted specifically against Islamic countries. It is, and it should be. We need Egypt listed, too.

Should have been done in 2001. Or even earlier, for that matter. Better late than never.

"It's racism! It's profiling!

I couldn't care less! It is Good, and this is what WE need."

Henrik, RS was being sarcastic! I promise you that he thinks it's "good" and "needed" too!

I have a few questions for the Obama Administration:

1. I thought you took Iran and Syria off the "State Sponsors of Terrorism" (aka Axis of Evil) list and added Israel to the list.

2. If the Condom Bomber had flown directly from Yemen, he may have been treated with suspicion. Instead, he "sneaked in" to his home country, Nigeria, and flew from there! Future alumni of the Yemeni School of Jihad (tm) will enter the US by way of a country not on the list. He actually entered the USA via a EU country, Hollandistan.

3. Have you posted an unencrypted copy of the latest edition of the Flight Screeners Handbook (tm) on the TSA website? OBL and his friends in Yemen enjoyed reading the last edition. They would pay dearly for a leaked copy.

Darcy, Khushi,

Incase you people didn't get the memo....Pak is your partner in carrying out your war on terrorism.

Pak has lost over 7500 Jawans fighting your war in our lands....whilst you have lost less than 200. We also provide intel so that you can target appropriate personnel via your drones.

We give you PERMISSION to fly your killing machines over OUR airspace to kill other muslims.

No amount of money can cover the hipocracy of this situatioon...but the US does pay a small inadequate amount.

All of this is done on OUR land. What is not acceptable is that you are not reciprocating....iinstead you are putting hurdles to YOUR lands against possibly the best fighting partner that you are going to get in this region....ask the British if they think that 7500 fatalities are acceptable to them....clearly not.

This is why I think you should take Pak off this list....no other country uniquely helps you like Pak does.

Keep Pakistan on the list.

Where are you going with this list anyway?

Do you think it will be eventually extended to include int US flights? For eaxample will you have extra security checks for people travelling to/from Michigan (Dearborn)?

Just askin?

There are many terrorists that come from Pakistan as well.

Fly safe, fly Pig Airline...Totally pig inside and out...Includes pigskin seats and belts, piggy meals, video's of Miss Piggy on the TV...and lots more...
It's logo is a portrait of Miss Piggy on the sides...
No profiling is necessary...Pig Airline has never had an incident of any kind...You can fly with confidence...

"YOUR war on terrorism"
"YOUR killing machines"
"small INADEQUATE amount"

Gave yourself away bub

Finally some adult thinking in the land of fruits and nuts. Duh Swami has a great idea. Add chocolot covered bacon along with the ham sandwiches on the meal menu and we have a winner.

In the guise of "Yom", Naseem says: "I already know a few friends who have the green Pak passport and they have have enormous difficulty already to get visas simply for normal daily business."

To which I reply: Tough titty.

Yom...We give you PERMISSION to fly your killing machines over OUR airspace to kill other muslims.

So you implicate yourself in the killing of other Mahoundians by proxy...Sounds to me like you have some serious issues with Allah, or Allah has serious issues with you...
It's that kind of mental confusion that makes Pakistan armed but unstable...Anyone who trusts anything Pakistan is a fool...If Pakistan is so wonderful, why does anyone there immigrate to a western country? Is there some kind of trouble in Paradise?

Yom, any Muslim getting on any plane anywhere should be special-searched (unless they are flying to or between Muslim countries only.)

Cuba is definitely only there because it's still America's little Commie whipping-boy, really. I think most of the ones who hated it there have already taken the nearest bathtub to Florida anyway. Without the USSR, Cuba isn't so tough (as if it ever really was), and I don't think they really have designs on expansionism; however, there's still that old butt-hurt over Castro taking stuff away from foreign ownership (mostly American) and nationalizing it (which I think any country has a right to do, if it decides that enough is enough vis a vis too much foreign ownership of business and industry. I think the US would do it, too, if they felt it was necessary; after all the government did block the sale of a port to Dubai interests. And I will say I was glad that Ottawa wouldn't allow the BC company that made the Canadarm to be sold to Americans. I just wish they'd take back Tim Horton's.)

Hell, ban ALL Pakistanis from coming in (anywhere) and let Americans have real Cuban cigars.

And BTW, a belated Happy New Year, all. Had a nice holiday with my sweetie, and, ironically enough, we feasted well on pork, all kinds - pork chops, ham, backbacon, and two kinds of sausage.

I like the Piggy Airlines idea; I always dug Miss Piggy.

There's nothing wrong with profiling and heavy scrtunizing. If it needs to be done, then it should be. I have been heavily profiled with my travel itineraries and have had no problem with it; in fact I welcome it in a certain sense.

Yom al Juma: I can appreciate the sentiment that the U.S. should try to faciliate as many people as possible being able to visit the U.S. from Pakistan and other countries. I have been to Pakistan and enjoyed my travels and meetings there immensely. Yes, I agree, the more travel between our countries, the better.

BUT, that cannot and should not be mutually exclusive from subjecting people to stringent security measures and scrutiny to help ensure that safety of these aircraft and all people aboard them. As well as the safety of the American people in the U.S.

I will say that the State Sponsorship of Terrorism List is political garbage and should be done away with. When countries can bargain their way off of it, like North Korea, this it's just a political tool. The American people deserve better than that.

Darcy, perhaps I should have included a smiley as well :)

Certainly RS is being ironic here - but with a serious touch, that this is a charge we've heard countless times when doing something sensible. In case we hear it again, the proper response is: "I couldn't care less!"

Which is why I post it.

"Incase you people didn't get the memo....Pak is your partner in carrying out your war on terrorism."

In case YOU didn't get the memo, there is no longer a "war on terrorism". This phrase has been disallowed, by someone who makes these phrases up. A "war on Islam" would suit me just fine. It suits terrorists, foreign and domestic to war against people they lump together as "kufr".

The Pakis will PRETEND to be on our side as long as we keep giving them money. This has been going on for a long time. They are standing with one foot on each side of the line.

Darcy, perhaps I should have included a smiley as well :)

Certainly RS is being ironic here - but with a serious touch, that this is a charge we've heard countless times when doing something sensible. In case we hear it again, the proper response is: "I couldn't care less!"

Which is why I post it.

Pak is your partner in carrying out your war on terrorism.

As long as WE foot the bills...

Poor excuse. Keep Pakistan on the list.

I have to agree with you. We should be studying the measures that the Israelis take with their airport security. They are successful because the Israelis are NOT under the PC illusion that seems to drive our administrations (both past and present).

I used to manage several different retail stores and there is an old informal rule in dealing with "shrink" (that is the tendency for merchandise to leave the store without payment). Eighty percent of the population are honest, fifteen percent will steal IF GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY and five percent will steal no matter what.

Retail store managers concentrate their attention on that five percent. The U.S. government would do well do concentrate their attention on Muslims from countries that have on-going terrorist activities.

1) Muslims who now live -- some of them even as citizens -- in the countries of Western Europe will, one trusts, be quietly identified and given the same kind of examination, including not only physical screening but questioning of the sort apparently done by El Al.

2) Is Cuba on the list in order to provide an example of a non-Muslim country, in the same spirit as that scene in an early Woody Allen movie, in which he asks the newdealer for copies of Partisn Review, Hudson Review, The New York Review of Books, the Times Literary Supplement and, oh yes, almost as an afterthought, a copy of Slut? Here the ratio is different; the single example of Cuba is put on, one assumes, in order to pretend that Islam is not the identifying mark. But of course it is, and that is why 1) above has to be part of the plan.

"In case you people didn't get the memo....Pak is your partner in carrying out your war on terrorism."

HA-HA! Yeah, right!

Oh, and btw, we're in a war with supremacist ("Islam must dominate, and not be dominated." - Muhammed), expansionist, hegemonic ("Fight then against them till strife be at an end, and the religion be all of it Allah's." - Qur'an 8:40),
genocidal ("Kill non-Muslims wherever you find them. Lie in wait and ambush them, seize and capture them using every stratagem of war." - Qur'an 9:5) ISLAM. Not "terrorism." And, "our" war? You mean the Infidels' war to save ourselves from you mass-murdering Jihad Barbarians? Oh, that war - West v Islam.

fairuzfan...When countries can bargain their way off of it, like North Korea, this it's just a political tool. The American people deserve better than that.

You finally wrote something I can pretty much agree with...
'Terrorism' is used as a political tool...

The problem is not with any list though, 'everything' these governments do is political...There is not to be found even one non political moment...
These political entities care not one twit about their people and even less about others...North Korea is a good example...Of what good to the people is the government of NK?...Iran is another, the people are trying to throw the current government out because the mullahs made it clear, they don't serve 'them'...The current US government which lies about its concerns for 'the people', will also be ousted soon, probably by vote...Gandhi hated politics but admitted it was the only way to get things done...

As someone who has "more skin in the game" than most(I am a Captain for a major US airline),the BEST method hands down in my opinion is the Israeli method. The sad truth is(at least here in America)that the TSA could NEVER replicate the Israeli system.Why??(to name a few)
1)Too PC
2)Too limited in what I would call "credible intellectual ability". TSA in my opinion is just another bloated,inefficient Federal jobs program. Been through an airport lately?? Seen the "professional luggage screeners"? Just last week I saw two of them yelling across two lines at each other.What was the problem? They were arguing as to whom the best"rapper" was at some music awards show.Pathetic.
The Israeli system uses current and former military personnel who are extensively trained in PROFILING.
I'm afraid political correctness in this area will cost thousands of lives in the coming years. My .02 cents.

Too little, too late.
Reminds me of the old song:
"Close the doors, they're coming in the windows,
Close the doors, they're running up the stairs,
Close the doors, they're hanging from the ceiling,
Those @&! It doesn't help a whole lot to lock your doors and leave the windows wide open.

OT
A long time ago in a far away land...actually, not so far away, I worked in the 'loss prevention' dept of a large discount store...My prime directive was to reduce 'shrinkage' by shoplifters and employees. This was an undercover job...The only employee who initially knew who I was, was the manager...There were five stores and I was rotated once a week so that the crooks wouldn't get on to who I was...I walked the store most of the day pretending to be a shopper, I also spied on people by peep hole and binocular...I caught lots of shoplifters...some of those are interesting stories in themselves...You can be sure that when you are in a larger store, especially the large chains and marts, you are being watched...either by camera or by person...


Listen to me. This is WINDOW DRESSING and it will soon pass after the PC DHIMMIS bow to complaints.

Mr. Fizgerald,

No, Cuba is not on the list for non-Muslim window dressing; it is there because the U.S. government doesn't like them. North Korea was also on the list until relatively recently, and was removed as a political reward. Libya was also removed for the same reasons. And I'm sure the State Department will remove Cuba if and when the day comes that they give us something we really want.

But good to know you're a Woody Allen fan. Great stuff. I believe the movie you're referring to is 'Bananas'.

re: Profiling and shrinkage.

An old friend of mine who worked in an RPG/sci-fi shop (books, card games, models, figurines, loose dice of various sizes, etc), who did heavy profiling on customers who came in there. In that case, it was 12 year old boys, who'd be most likely to want to try to snatch some small thing (dice, or an AD&D figure, pack of Magic cards, whatever. There were many things there which could simply fit into a pocket.)

Now, no one in their right mind would have castigated her for profiling adolescent males (girls too, but I don't remember seeing many come in there.)No, it wasn't based on race, but one could call it "sexism" and "ageism" if one really wanted to. But so what? No one else who came in there (adult RPG geeks) was likely to risk arrest by pocketing some $5 trinket, so why watch them, if there's a kid wandering around, drooling?

It's about time that Muslims were singled out for such profiling; listing countries is a good start, but it needs to go farther and deeper than that - right down to the Islam.

'Bananas'
One of my favorite Woody Allen comedies.
Woody would have a ball with this administration's dealings with terrorism if he were on the right side and had any balls to make the flick.
Of course, at his age, why would he care about the consequences?

Some "Hanoi Jane-like" leftists, and misinformed, have compared the war in Afghanistan with Vietnam.
The fact of the matter is...we are not at war in Afghanistan. We are at war globally with an unseen terror.
This war is more like the war with Japan avec kamikaze heroes and all. Problem is...we knew that the enemy came from Japan, most times they wore uniforms and the problem was easily solved in 1945 with the dropping of two WMDs which save many more lives from being lost if the war had been allowed to drag out.

Japan considered their war a "holy war". We must consider the same when dealing with Islamic extremists.
When Barack rode into the White House on his "red steed" he thought he had this struggle "in the bag". He thought he knew everything there was to know about Islam. He knew about the "peaceful" Islam, yes, but he had no idea what the Qur'an actually amounted to. He knew only repetitions of Arabic Qur'anic dialogues drilled into him at an early age before the Third Jihad actually came into being.

WWII ended with the dropping of two atom bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Obama wants to cut back on nuclear arms that the US possesses. Problem is, Iran is very close to holding their fingers on the triggers of the same WMDs.
This time around it may not be an enemy like Japan that gets the brunt of nuclear devastation...it may be the US, Europe or Israel.
"Walk softly", Mr. Obama, and "carry a big stick" when dealing with this enemy. They are a lot trickier to deal with than the Japanese. At least the Japanese had some semblance of honor in warfare. This new enemy in WWIII does not. And do not for a minute think you can use 'Chamberlainesque' negotiating skills when dealing with them. Chamberlain made huge mistakes in his trust of the enemy.
Islamic leaders, like Nazis, cannot be trusted for one minute.

I agree, Cornelius!

It is the religion and not the point of origin.
Europe and the UK are points of origin.
S. America holds points of origin. Mexico...whooa! Mexico is a huge entry point. They don't even need a plane. Just walk into the US carrying your explosives and deposit them at any site that needs blowing up to create havoc.
Any point on the globe is an entry point.
Israeli security is the only way to go when dealing with this. We could learn a lot from Israel. They've been at it for years.

From yom's post:
'but the US does pay a small inadequate amount.'

The US pays a huge amount and it is called 'jizya' by many.

And the less said about pak intelligence the better. They cannot even stop their own jihadis from killing their own civilians.

Pakistan is 99% MoSlum. Don't trust Pakistani Government. Don't trust any Pakistani MoSlum. Pakistan should be the last country to be removed off the list. Pakistani Government tells us they have lost over 10 000 Pakies in War on Terror. Good for them. Not enough. There are millions roaming around butchering anything that moves right in Pakistan. Our War on terror is based on MoSlum terrorists. Their training fields are inside Pakistan. Pakies used Afghanistan to train terrorists over 30 years. They abused Afghanistan big time. Pakies hijacked several planes. They provide total logistics support to Talibans. Talibans are our one of the key enemies. Without logistic support from Pakies, neither al-quida nor talibans can exist. Pakistan is to terrorism like water is to a fish.

KEEP PAKIStAN ON LIST FOREVER.

Knee Jerk, says Yom Al Zuma. A real knee jerk reaction is when you are flying alomg at 30,000+ feet and someone tries to blow up the airplane. Now that is a even a knee jerk in arabic.

SuperkurfB, I understand how people felt about relocating Japanese Americans to internment camps but it was still wrong, legally and morally. Many were second generation American citizens. What's forgotten was the real reason for the moves, the confiscation of shops, property and land, much of the latter valuable cultivation land in CA valleys. Five decades later they were compensated 10 cents on the 1940s dollar. And guess who was one of the architects of the moves; the great liberal supreme Court justice Earl Warren whose family profited quite well from the seizures of American citizen's property.

However, what we're discussing now is about Muslims from other countries. They simply don't enjoy the constitutional rights that US citizens do including the right to come here. We need to face the fact that we're facing a religious war, Islam against the West. That may not be politically correct but it's the truth and at least Muslims know it. Islam is more than a religion; it's also a political/military/economic system. If people knew more of the history of Islam and its aggressive expansion into the Mideast, Africa, Europe, Eurasia, China, and India and how it relates to their modern believes such as Mar al Islam then they'd realize the threat. As several have already well stated, it's not merely the country of origin that matters.

Coming to this country is a privilege and if abused there should be consequences. By the way, the same goes for illegal immigrants.

By the way, I think Pakistan should be dismantled.

Seriously. The only uniting identity of that large country is - Islam. And we all know just how well that is working out. Dividing the country up by ethnicity would help other identities grow stronger, and expose Islam as the menacing force it is.

Relative to the problem of Pakistan ("Land of the Pure"? - HAH!) itself, the nukes they possess are a minor issue.

Pakistan should be number 1 on the list.

More countries need to be added...

Of course, AQ will adjust accordingly, but this may mess them up for a bit.

"In case you people didn't get the memo....Pak is your partner in carrying out your war on terrorism."

HA-HA! Yeah, right!

Oh, and btw, we're in a war with supremacist ("Islam must dominate, and not be dominated." - Muhammed), expansionist, hegemonic ("Fight then against them till strife be at an end, and the religion be all of it Allah's." - Qur'an 8:40),
genocidal ("Kill non-Muslims wherever you find them. Lie in wait and ambush them, seize and capture them using every stratagem of war." - Qur'an 9:5) ISLAM. Not "terrorism." And, "our" war? You mean the Infidels' war to save ourselves from you mass-murdering Jihad Barbarians? Oh, that war - West v Islam.

Yom-al-Juma wrote:

Incase you people didn't get the memo....Pak is your partner in carrying out your war on terrorism.

Pak has lost over 7500 Jawans fighting your war in our lands....whilst you have lost less than 200. We also provide intel so that you can target appropriate personnel via your drones.

We give you PERMISSION to fly your killing machines over OUR airspace to kill other muslims.
...................

The repulsive Yom-al-Jumas tips his hand again. Clearly, he does not consider the fight against Jihad terror to be Pakistan's fight. And, clearly, he does not care what the nature of those Muslims might be—Jihadists that would gladly kill not just the filthy kufr, but other Muslim Pakistanis as well.

Yom is hardly alone among Pakistanis in believing that Islam trumps all, nor alone in sympathizing with even the most vicious of Jihadists.

So—why did you suggest we should take Pakistan off the list, again?

It's about damn time people were profiled. In case the ACLU hasn't noticed it; everytime you see the aftermath of a bombing, there are a certain kind of people we see in the vicinity, and a certain kind of people that claim responsibility. Yes, certain people should be singled out and if they find this offensive, they're welcome to leave the U.S. and return to wherefrom they hail.

It's at the point that where it makes sense for their to be at least a basic description of the suspect, or a summary of motive, or a name of a suspect, and the media doesn't mention it, (or aren't told) that I just get royally disgusted with the PC garbage that's going to kill us all.

Take the Newark scenario yesterday, for example. They saw a man go in through the out door. They knew enough of a description to be looking for him and knowing that they were not finding him.

Why on earth why was that description not being put out and Twitter used to give the airport authorities sightings or updates? Of course, it's more than likely they didn't have what they considered "much to go on". But it was enough that someone was looking for him, and they had something to go on. They didn't want people to actually (gasp!) be reporting on one another or personally profiling! They're so anxious to not be pegged as profilers, that they don't allow individuals the courtesy information so they can use their own judgment.

I swear, if they could get us to fly with earplugs and blindfolds, they'd do that, too.

Dumbass dhimmis.

Oops; my posting got garbled somehow in transmission; here's how it should read:

Too little, too late.
Reminds me of the old song:
"Close the doors, they're coming in the windows,
Close the doors, they're running up the stairs,
Close the doors, they're hanging from the ceiling,
Those @&!+>&# are everywhere."
It doesn't help a whole lot to lock your doors and leave the windows wide open.

Its a built-in "success-proof" tactic. I think that adding places like Cuba and not including places like England and Holland will give our wonderful administration some rational reasons to not continue profiling. Cuba will start complaining that there is no justification for this crack-down and mooselimbs will continue to come through England and Holland, thus giving the Bammy's regime cause to stop the profiling
I had tears in my eyes when some of my bottles of grooming products were thrown out into the trash right in front of me, at a security counter when traveling from Las Vegas to North Dakota over the summer. It felt so cruel and invasive. I knew to blame islam, and to not be hostile to the airport crew, even though I think that our administration delights in controlling everyone through invasive tactics such as this. I doubt, though, that I would ever allow myself to be subjected to a full-body scan or pat-down, so I will probably not travel by air if all passengers will be subjected to this. I am delighted, however, that the mooselimbs that will be traveling desperately to spread their disease will have to go through this. I love the idea of the women having to go through this to the horror of their mooselimb male counterparts; I also hope that the male mooselimbs will be scanned by female security officers. Can't get any better than this!
As for the profiling itself, well, it just goes with the territory of being obviously related to a barbarian tribe, through a blood-line or ideology that is out to destroy the world. Too bad. The Italians had to go through this in the U. S. because of the possible mafioso connection. I can guarantee that people's suspicions might have not always been founded on valid reasons, but they were often not far the truth either.

"MoSlum" terrorists ---- ha, ha, very cool. I was also thinking about adding to the list of deserving humiliations with my contribution of: Mozoid.

I was thinking about the air safety situation, and have come up with an idea that I thought might have some merit even if only to make you laugh so hard that you snort coffee/tea clear across the room.

I remember about a year ago that a lady BBC presenter was fired after asking a cab company not to send a Middle Eastern Driver for her teenage daughter because of the young girl's fear of them. There were the standard protests on the part of the cab company, the woman was called a racist, etc., and was eventually fired by the BBC. I thought at the time that there was a simple solution: buy the girl a little dog that goes with her everywhere. There have been numerous kerfuffles over muslim cabbies refusing to pick up people with dogs because they consider them unclean. My thought is, "Pity!!!"

Well, in the face of all the stupid "security measures" offered by the Obama administration, and the horrible costs to implement them they keep talking about, I thought a solution might be taking the dog-in-the-cab scenario a step or two further. TAA-DAA:

We welcome to the runways of America and the world….PHYDEAUX AIR INTERNATIONAL!!!

The chief feature of this new airline is that your dog/cat/bird/whatever is in the main cabin with you. Each seat has a space beside it that accommodates a lock-down carrier. Your dog/pet is separated from other animals by the carrier, but is with you throughout the flight.

On all international flights and at least some domestic ones, passengers’ doggies will be joined by a drug-sniffing dog that roams the plane freely.

The advertising campaign is: Don't leave your pet at home. Fly with PHYDEAUX!!! (pronounced "Fido"!!!)

This scenario accomplishes many things. It makes nervous owners happy because they have their dog nearby. It eliminates the worry of animals getting too cold or being in an unpressurized area on the plane. AND it either eliminates or greatly lessens the number of “persons of a certain ethnic origin” on board. (Pity!!!) With those of that profile eliminating themselves from the passenger manifests voluntarily, air safety increases. And while little old aging white women like myself may still need to go through a minimal screening process, we’ll be able to bring our knitting with us without having to worry about whether we can have our projects in our laps, when we can go to the bathroom, or if we’ll need to strangle some terrorist with our circular needles!!!.

I know there is now an all-animals airline that will fly pets in the main cabin without owners, but I don't know of any airline that focuses on having the animals and owners together.

Failing that, I propose an air marshall with free-roaming, drug-sniffing, attack-trained German Shepherd on every single flight--especially international ones.

I was thinking about the air safety situation, and have come up with an idea that I thought might have some merit even if only to make you laugh so hard that you snort coffee/tea clear across the room.

I remember about a year ago that a lady BBC presenter was fired after asking a cab company not to send a Middle Eastern Driver for her teenage daughter because of the young girl's fear of them. There were the standard protests on the part of the cab company, the woman was called a racist, etc., and was eventually fired by the BBC. I thought at the time that there was a simple solution: buy the girl a little dog that goes with her everywhere. There have been numerous kerfuffles over muslim cabbies refusing to pick up people with dogs because they consider them unclean. My thought is, "Pity!!!"

Well, in the face of all the stupid "security measures" offered by the Obama administration, and the horrible costs to implement them they keep talking about, I thought a solution might be taking the dog-in-the-cab scenario a step or two further. TAA-DAA:

We welcome to the runways of America and the world….PHYDEAUX AIR INTERNATIONAL!!!

The chief feature of this new airline is that your dog/cat/bird/whatever is in the main cabin with you. Each seat has a space beside it that accommodates a lock-down carrier. Your dog/pet is separated from other animals by the carrier, but is with you throughout the flight.

On all international flights and at least some domestic ones, passengers’ doggies will be joined by a drug-sniffing dog that roams the plane freely.

The advertising campaign is: Don't leave your pet at home. Fly with PHYDEAUX!!! (pronounced "Fido"!!!)

This scenario accomplishes many things. It makes nervous owners happy because they have their dog nearby. It eliminates the worry of animals getting too cold or being in an unpressurized area on the plane. AND it either eliminates or greatly lessens the number of “persons of a certain ethnic origin” on board. (Pity!!!) With those of that profile eliminating themselves from the passenger manifests voluntarily, air safety increases. And while little old aging white women like myself may still need to go through a minimal screening process, we’ll be able to bring our knitting with us without having to worry about whether we can have our projects in our laps, when we can go to the bathroom, or if we’ll need to strangle some terrorist with our circular needles!!!.

I know there is now an all-animals airline that will fly pets in the main cabin without owners, but I don't know of any airline that focuses on having the animals and owners together.

Failing that, I propose an air marshall with free-roaming, drug-sniffing, attack-trained German Shepherd on every single flight--especially international ones.

"I already know a few friends who have the green Pak passport and they have have enormous difficulty already to get visas simply for normal daily business. Travel to and from Pak to America should be made EASIER and NOT harder. I wiould love to see at least some support from people reading this to take Pakistan off this list."

Have you been doing your hooka again? Why the hell would anyone want to increase the number of Pakistanis in the United States? We have seen what it has done for the U.K. Is that nest becoming too foul for you now?

"Subjecting the 99% of non-Muslims to any kind of heightened security measures because of 1% of the 1% of Muslims is the true violation of civil rights."-TL Winslow

true. i agree. but i also know that the more non-muslims have to endure this ridiculous BS, the more pissed off they will get..hopefully, it will open their eyes to who the real terrorists are and they will use their voting power on the next elections (depending on IF there is anybody even WORTH voting for)

A bit off-topic, but:

let's just try to imagine, if we were fighting this war against the Third Jihad anything like the way we of the free world fought the Nazis and the Emperor-Worshippers, and the way we fought the Stalinists and Maoists, what the Muppet anti-Jihad movies might have been like.

Miss Piggy as the star of a movie featuring the rescue (by dashing Infidel heroes) of a beautiful and foolish western girl deceived and kidnapped by evil Saudi sheikhs and held in durance vile in the hareem?

A Muppets 'take' on 'to the halls of Tripoli'? (Kermit as one of the heroic American naval captains).

A Muppets version of 'Khartoum'?...would Kermit play Kitchener or Gordon, or perhaps the young and dashing Sir Winston Churchill, war reporter and soldier, reporting the war and writing 'the river war'?

And let's let our imaginations run wild and enjoy the mental image of Miss Piggy starring in a series of propaganda films scathingly exposing and denouncing 'pride murders' (aka honor killings), child 'marriage', polygyny and FGM.

Miss Piggy for mascot of the Resistance to Jihad and Sharia!

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