The antisemitism is coming from Leftists and Muslims -- although authorities, characteristically, blame right-wing groups. "Jews flee Malmö as anti-Semitism grows," from The Local, January 27 (thanks to C. Cantoni):
Threats and harassment are becoming increasingly commonplace for Jewish residents in Malmö in southern Sweden, leading many Jews to leave the city out of fear for their safety."Threats against Jews have increased steadily in Malmö in recent years and many young Jewish families are choosing to leave the city," Fredrik Sieradzki of the Jewish Community of Malmö (Judiska Församlingen i Malmö) told The Local.
"Many feel that the community and local politicians have shown a lack of understanding for how the city's Jewish residents have been marginalized."
Last year there were 79 crimes against Jewish residents reported to the police in Malmö, roughly double the number reported in 2008, according to the Skånska Dagbladet newspaper.
"That probably doesn't tell the whole story because not everyone chose to make a report. Perhaps they fear they will add to an already infected situation," Susanne Gosenius, a hate crimes coordinator with the Skåne police, told the newspaper, which has published series of articles about the growing anti-Semitism in Malmö.
In addition, Jewish cemeteries and synagogues have repeatedly been defaced with anti-Semitic graffiti, and a chapel at another Jewish burial site in Malmö was firebombed in January of last year. [...]
Skånska Dagbladet highlighted the case of Marcus Eilenberg, a 32-year-old father of two who has decided to move to Israel.
"My children aren't safe here. It's going to get worse," he told the newspaper. [...]
He blamed part of the problem on passive local politicians who he believes have failed to openly distance themselves from anti-Semitism and refuse to act when members of the Jewish community find themselves under constant threat. [...]
When asked to explain why Jewish religious services often require security guards and even police protection, Reepalu said much of the violence directed toward Malmö's Jewish community come from members of extremist right-wing groups, a theory which baffles Sieradzki.
"I'm not saying we don't have problems with neo-Nazis, but the threats aren't as concrete," he explained.
"More often it's the far-left that commonly use Jews as a punching bag for their disdain toward the policies of Israel, even if Jews in Malmö have nothing to do with Israeli politics.
"It's shameful and regrettable that such a powerful politician could be so ignorant about the threats we face."
In addition to the far-left, Sieradzki said that a "very small segment" of the city's growing population of Muslim immigrants from Arab countries in the Middle East are also responsible for growing anti-Semitism.
"This is a small group of extremists who have decided to go after Jews wherever they are in the world and regardless of their relationship to Israel," he said....
How much the poorer will Sweden be, for having exchanged some of its Jewish population, and replaced it with Muslims. Let's see what the cultural contribution to Sweden, or contribution to Sweden of any other kind, results from this fateful substitution.
Apparently, we in the West are going to live through Nazi Germany all over again.
First the Saturday people...Then the Sunday people...When those are out of the way Islam will start on the rest of the week...Sweden, your problems are just beginning...
Where will the Jews go that have been driven from Sweden and what country will be the next to drive the Jews out. Will they go to Israel where the top leader of Iran swears to destroy all of Israel and is making detailed preparations to do so? We are entering an era where the Nazis have been replaced by Muslims. Muslims and Nazis are one and the same and were indeed allies during WWII. As someone said above, the Sunday people are the next to go with the rest of the week people to quickly follow.
Finally, *fourteen paragraphs* into the story—or perhaps more, since the entire text has not been presented here—there is a mention of the major *source* of all that anti-Semitism—the huge and growing Muslim population of Malmö.
And even here, it is carefully noted that it is only a "very small segment" of the city's growing population of Muslim immigrants from Arab countries in the Middle East are also responsible for growing anti-Semitism.
At least *One quarter* of Malmö's population of 280,000 was Muslim in the mid-2000s, and is probably much higher now. Estimates are that 40% of Malmö's "youth" are Muslim.
And here is Malmö's vicious and moronic leftist mayor, Ilmar Reepalu, who said Jews should not have staged demonstrations in support of Israel last year: "I wish that the Jewish community had distanced itself from Israel's violations of the civilian population in Gaza. Instead, they chose to hold a demonstration in the main city square, something that could send the wrong signals."
Even more ominously, he said this:
"I wish that representatives of Muslims in Malmö would clearly say that the Jews in Malmö shouldn't be mixed up in the Israel-Palestine conflict."
This seems to actually *invite* Muslim attacks on Jews if they have the temerity to openly support Israel.
more about Malmö's ugly mayor:
In the Spring of last year, Mayor Reepalu shut out spectators from the tennis Davis Cup match between Sweden and Israel in Malmö, giving security as the official reason. However, a few weeks earlier, he had told a newspaper that in his view “one should not play a match against Israel at all in this situation." He continued, "the issue is one of crimes against human rights. There is so much weighing against [Israel)."
http://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/main/showNews/id/8857
And yet, it is the *Muslim population*—not her Jewish residents—who are responsible for the skyrocketing crime rate and chaos in this southern Swedish city. Car burning are an epidemic there, as they are in France. Rates of rape have mushroomed.
There are Muslim neighborhoods where ambulance drivers will not venture unless they have a police escort, and where police will only enter with paired cars, so they can give each other backup.
There are stories of ambulance drivers and firefighters being pelted with stones when they try to do their jobs, and of crowds intimidating ambulance crews to leave some injured untreated.
Yet Reepalu doesn't seem to have any criticism for this "community". What will Malmö be when she has lost her Jewish community and most of her native Swedes? I shudder to think.
Maybe others who are more knowledgeable would comment differently, but from what I read it seems that Sweden is maybe the country in Europe that's the furthest gone, in the sense that the iron grip of the multiculturalists/leftists has so permeated every facet of society.
I've often mulled why antisemitism even exists. Where I come from Jews were prone to many things: academic success, professional success, keeping a nice house and yard, a low crime rate, good sense of humor, hot women, generous with giving to charity, that kinda stuff.
So what's to hate, what's to despise?
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Then I figured it out: antisemites are driven by jealousy, pure and simple.
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Let us not forget how the Swedes cooperated with the Nazis.
My take is that it's pretty much over for Sweden. Yes, individual Swedes helped the Jews after WWII, the ones who survived concentration camps, and the ones they were too busy to admit during the actual killing. I guess the rail lines were crowded with ore for Hitler. Couldn't waste the trains on people; too much money to be lost.They were the Neutral Nazi's of WWII (just as the Swiss were).
But then something went wrong. Swedes began to become European. Hate the Jews. It's about time.
What are we seeing now. The slow, grinding Hand of G-d. It is over for Sweden. Totally over. It will soon be over for Norway itself. Visit Norway's Christian fjords as well. Right now. They will be a star Ummah attraction.
My recommendation. Eat gravlaks, drink akavit, because in a few years Sweden will be part of the Ummah. Maybe the coldest part of the Ummah, but part of the Ummah nonetheless.
And the useful idiots in Sweden (and Europe in general). They'll be dead. Just like Hitler's helpers were killed. Ernst Roehm didn't live to see WWII. This vicious helper of Hitler, this SA bastrd, was killed on the night of the long knives. Take their pictures. They'll be great souvenirs to give to your kids. Sort of an eid al fitr present. You know..after that month long day-fast.
Good night Sweden. Oh..and goodbye.
Boston Tea party wrote:
Maybe others who are more knowledgeable would comment differently, but from what I read it seems that Sweden is maybe the country in Europe that's the furthest gone, in the sense that the iron grip of the multiculturalists/leftists has so permeated every facet of society.
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That's pretty much the disturbing take on the situation by the perceptive Fjordman. Here's an article by him from the Brussel's Journal from a couple of years ago:
"Swedish Welfare State Collapses as Immigrants Wage War"
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/938
Malmö is on track to become a Muslim-majority city in a couple of decades.
I have made this point before. Fascism is not a right wing ideology. It is an ideology of the Left. It is almost identical to socialism.
If one takes right wing values to be liberty of the individual and small government then both fascism and socilism are both completely antithetical to these values.
I'm getting a little bit fed up hearing that too much conservatism just results in membership of the Neo Nazi faction. It's about time we recognised fascism for what it is, just another manifestation of extreme left wing politics.
Remember that "Nazi" stands for National Socialist.....
While I can't comment on the Jewish situation in Malmo, I spent three days in the Muslim-dense suburb of Rosengaard in early September last year.
Within ten minutes of arriving there I saw a single police car cruising quietly and without incident along Ramels Vag, visited the mosque and associated school and spoke with several people teaching there and generally wandered where I pleased, no problems - all admittedly during daylight hours.
Hardly a scientific survey, but it seems there is a need for us to pull back on the strong rhetoric and recycled stories until we have more in-depth studies and not base our views solely on what happens when things occasionally erupt.
Anybody reading Jihadwatch been to Malmo lately? I would be interested to hear.
(crouching below the parapet)
No need for crouching. MBR, I'm glad your visit to Rosengård was peaceful and trouble-free.
Unfortunately, this is not always the case:
"Swedish firefighters scared of Muslim city"
Rosengård firefighters in Malmo, Sweden, were forced to obtain military quality helmets. "You have to weigh the risk of the fire spreading against the risk to our staff "
The Rosengård firefighters were forced to get helmets with visors and borrow military ballistic body armor. "The staff is afraid and worried about what will happen when we pull to Rosengård," said captain Björn Gerlach. "Some have asked transfers out of here."
http://infidelsunite.typepad.com/counter_jihad/2009/09/swedish-firefighters-scared-of-muslim-city.html
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and:
"Rosengård firefighters call it quits"
http://www.thelocal.se/19130/20090428/
Lest I give the impression that all Jihad violence here is aimed at firefighters and ambulance drives, there's this from December of 2008:
"For the last few days young Muslim immigrants in the Rosengård district of Malmö have been rioting. The trouble started over the closure of a storefront mosque, and escalated to the point where Rosengård resembles the banlieues of Paris, with burning cars, rock-throwing “youths”, Molotov cocktails, and violent battles with police.
http://europenews.dk/en/node/17701
and this:
Sweden: Inhabitants of the city of Rosengård believe the Malmo suburb is “growing more radical”
http://www.euro-islam.info/2009/01/29/sweden-inhabitants-of-the-city-of-rosengard-believe-the-malmo-suburb-is-growing-more-radical/
Thanks, yes, no dispute about these reports. The problem arises when we over-generalize from them.
Although visiting the Rosengaard mosque and associated school I not attend a mosque prayer session but did attend a Lutheran service in a little church near the mosque. About 20 people there, I was the youngest and I'm no spring chicken. Mainly females.
The following day I went to the 8:30am Sunday mass in the Catholic church on Ramels Vag. About 25 in the congregation, similar demographics.
The fairly large church for the mid-morning mass was, on the other hand, full to over-flowing, mainly males, young to middle aged, and as the Polish priest later confirmed, almost totally migrant Poles from all over Malmo.
But then some might consider Malmo's gain is Poland's loss.
I don't think you need Muslims violent most all the time or almost all Muslims being violent now and again before you conclude that Islam is troubling in ways Lutheranism, Judaism, Catholicism, etc. virtually never are. Look, I don't mean to make this personal, but it's become so tiring to hear exculpation of Islam based on the fact that much of the time Muslims are not violent or something along these lines. What matters is the ideology itself and Islam, like Marxism and fascism, is a totalitarian ideology. Judaism, Lutheranism and Roman Catholicism are not. Most Marxists and fascists most of the time, on a day to day basis, were not violent but so what? It doesn't redeem Marxism and fascism. Ditto for Islam. Get it?
Yes, and I'll take what Wellington is staying even a bit further:
Islam wouldn't be much of a threat to the West UNLESS most of its adherents were moderate. If a group is ONLY composed of violent, committed radicals (like McVeigh and other White Supremacists) then they're just going to be a small, local threat, and while they may be able to inflict major damage if they get lucky with an operation here and there, they can generally be neutralized with without much trouble. But when a totalitarian ideology gains the loyalty of millions and millions of non-violent, go-to-work, obey-the-laws, pay-the-bills, raise-the-family type people, THAT's when they truly gain clout and become a global threat. Most Muslims may very well be moderate, but that fact DOES NOT IN ANY WAY mean that, when conflict arises, they're going to side with the liberal West and against fellow Muslims in any great numbers.
Yes, I got it years ago. We have no differences over the violence inherent, implicit and explicit, in Islam, the Koran, the hadiths and the sira. My comments need to be taken in the limited context of Rosengaard and Malmo. They were to warn of the dangers of over-generalizing. Perhaps you missed that.
The casual observations of the Lutheran and Catholic congregations in two days in September 2009 were just that.
Exculpation of Islam? Where in my two posts above do you find that? All I am saying is that we do our cause no favors when we claim things the evidence won't bear.
Yes, and I'll take what Wellington is saying even a bit further:
Islam wouldn't be much of a threat to the West UNLESS most of its adherents were moderate. If a group is ONLY composed of violent, committed radicals (like McVeigh and other White Supremacists) then they're just going to be a small, local threat, and while they may be able to inflict major damage if they get lucky with an operation here and there, they can generally be neutralized without much trouble. But when a totalitarian ideology gains the loyalty of millions and millions of non-violent, go-to-work, obey-the-laws, pay-the-bills, raise-the-family type people, THAT's when they truly gain clout and become a global threat. Most Muslims may very well be moderate, but that fact DOES NOT IN ANY WAY mean that, when conflict arises, they're going to side with the liberal West and against fellow Muslims in any great numbers.
I apologize for joining the ranks of morons who double-post. :)
We don't disagree, I did get it long ago, and there is no exculpation of Islam in my two posts above.
We just need to be careful we don't make wild claims the evidence won't bear.
We don't disagree, I did get it long ago, and there is no exculpation of Islam in my two posts above.
We just need to be careful we don't make wild claims the evidence won't bear.
We don't disagree, I did get it long ago, and there is no exculpation of Islam in my two posts above.
We just need to be careful we don't make wild claims the evidence won't bear.
Glad I'm not alone, fellow moron :-)
Rather, it seems that TypePad is just having one of those days.
Well, at least I didn't triple-post like MBR. :)
But yes MBR, I understand your point, and your first-hand perspective from your visits to Sweden are appreciated.
http://www.avraidire.eu/2010/01/pourquoi-le-coran-nest-pas-la-parole-de-dieu/
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First of all, I don't mean to be insulting, but nonetheless I do mean to be direct and accurate, to the best of my ability. It was in your 11:39 A.M. post that I detected a kind of reasoning which can too easily excuse evil, which is, sad to say, exactly what I think you did though you meant no harm (folks who mean no harm actually cause far more harm often times than those who do desire malevolence).
You mentioned how you detected nothing amiss, nothing really violent or going wrong or whatever on your visit to Rosengaard. In fact, things looked actually rather well as near as you could tell------"visited the mosque and associated school and spoke with several people teaching there and generally wandered where I pleased, no problems..." You then called for pulling back on "strong rhetoric" (no examples given) as well as for "more in-depth studies." To this I can only say, WTF!
How many more "in-depth studies" do we need on Islam and so-called moderate Muslims? Would you have called for desisting on "strong rhetoric" about Adolf Hitler in his early years in power? Would you have ever called for more "in-depth studies" on the implementation of Marxism in sundry polities? Your entire 11:39 A.M. post functions as an implicit criticism of those who already know more than enough about Islam and who are sick to death of requests not to rush to judgment about Muslims. So what if many times of everyday there are mosques, and schools attached to them, where no violence occurs and, oh my God, individual Muslims are actually often nice to kuffaars. You further compounded your didactic and implicit exculpation of Muslims by your 2:13 P.M. post where you warned against over-generalizing from reports of Muslims behaving badly. Would you have ever made the same statement about Marxists or fascists sometimes behaving badly? Ever????
Where in your two posts did I find exculpation of Islam? Answer: Most everywhere. I will await your response.
You want examples? In the first instance I was replying to an earlier post today which included these statements:
"Car burnings are an epidemic there, as they are in France. "
"There are Muslim neighborhoods where ambulance drivers will not venture unless they have a police escort, and where police will only enter with paired cars, so they can give each other backup."
"There are stories of ambulance drivers and firefighters being pelted with stones when they try to do their jobs, and of crowds intimidating ambulance crews to leave some injured untreated."
Back in August last year I asked on JW for information on Malmo and Rosengaard before I set off. One well-meaning reply advised: "It is even worse now. If you can avoid that place, I would recommend it."
Among the replies were reference to the March 2009 Youtube piece by Dale Hurd, and the Brussels Journal 2006 essay by Fjordman.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfn1qHKXoWk
While this clip is specifically about the violence and controversy surrounding the Sweden-Israel Davis Cup matches in Malmo, some general statements were also made that I question:
"Fire and emergency workers will no longer enter without police protection" (at 1:40) This and the claim that police cars will not enter Rosengaard on their own have been aired for several years now, not just in March 2009.
The standing caption above the clip reads "The city of Malmø is now more Islamic than Swedish." I strongly doubt that such a view would be held by either of two of the leading stalwarts in the fight against jihad and on behalf of free speech with whom I had discussions in Copenhagen the following week.
The http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/938 article from the respected Fjordman of three years earlier notes:
"Meanwhile, as their authorities have largely abandoned their third largest city to creeping anarchy, there is open talk among the native Swedes still remaining in Malmö of forming vigilante groups armed with baseball bats out of concern for their children’s safety."
and
"Law and order is slowly breaking down in major and even minor cities across the European continent, and the streets are ruled by aggressive gangs of Muslim youngsters."
Leaving aside that while things seem definitely headed that way in parts of England, my experience in 2009 in the streets of Rome, Geneva, Copenhagen and Malmo failed to find them ruled by "aggressive gangs of Muslim youngsters".
And BTW, I have fair hair, blue eyes and from my voice am taken to be either English or Australian (close) by most continental Europeans, so there was no mistaking my identity.
My wife and various friends cautioned me against going to Malmo, fearing for my safety. I must admit I was initially quite apprehensive as well. But if the streets of Europe are to be abandoned to the Muslims by the indigenous inhabitants due to misplaced fears, scaremongering and faulty information, then we have already conceded we are living in dar al-Islam, without even a whimper, much less a fight.
Your other comments are strained, unwarranted, and suggest to me that you may be as terrified of dissent from what you perceive as the anti-jihad line as Muslims are against appearing divided in the face of the infidel.
Assure me please it isn't so.
Uh, it isn't so. I'm not "terrified' of dissent. Never have been. Never will be. In fact, I rather relish it. It's kind of a sport for me.
So, let me get this straight. Despite specific articles provided you by gravenimage or what Fjordman wrote, you know better because, hey, you were there and, what the hell, didn't see a problem. Interestingly, you acknowledged to gravenimage "no disputes about these reports" she provided you but then you went sappy and mentioned the great need not to over-generalize. Again, WTF! Again, would you have extended the same "courtesy" to Nazis or Marxists?
Well, in the future, I'll just treat all stories about problems in Sweden and all of Europe respecting troubles caused by Muslims with a grain of salt and first and foremost defer to you and your vast experiences. Wouldn't want to be guilty of over-generalizing, now would I? Yep, that's the option I'll be taking in the future to get a correct gauge on things in Europe.
And one last thing, when did I (or anyone) say that the streets of Europe should be abandoned to the Muslims? Nothing should be abandoned to them. Nothing. Hope I haven't been too strained or unwarranted in my comments here.
Muhammad Bear:
You're right about fascism being left-wing. Maybe it's just radical socialism coupled with a prudent admiration for capitalists' usefulness once they're demoted to being managers and a sense of style imbibed from appreciating grand opera?
Otherwise, I can't tell the difference. Both hate private wealth and God.
Malmo is full of "no-go zones"...just try walk through one without being accosted by gangs of Muslim youths...
Where, and when? I would appreciate some details.
It seems that too many are writing off whole sections of Europe's cities prematurely - but if you have recent evidence from Malmo, please pass it on. I am happy to be proved wrong.
I quite understand what you're saying, “Look I've been there and there isn't a problem!”
Unfortunately that is not enough. I have lived within four miles of a growing Muslim enclave for 30 years but it was not until 10 years ago when business took me into the area on a regular basis that I became concerned. Since then I have worked in three other Muslim enclaves and found the situation is essentially the same. When Muslims achieve sufficient numbers in a street they systematically drive out non-Muslims regardless of race by either low grade harassment or outright assault on their property.
The most blatant case was an old Polish woman who had been a forced worker in Nazi Germany and considered her situation in England to be no different from that in Nazi Germany. The last white person in the street she had her windows smashed three times to shouts of “f*** of out of out of our street you white bitch and sell us your house”. She told me “police say they can do nothing too many Pakistani”. This is true as I was called to a property one night after the Pakistanis (sorry British Asians) had thrown a brick through the front window finally driving the Irish people out. Knowing how “sensitive” these things are I quietly told the police that several witnesses had said it had been “The Asian lads who hung around the halal takeaway”, The officer was terrified and insisted it could not have been and knowing the situation he was in with the politically correct police force there was no point in pressing it.
I dislike using a war analogy but soldiers will tell you that war is 98% boredom and 2% sheer terror. Just because nothing appears to be happening 98% of the time does not mean that all is well. A British officer in 1916 wrote from the front of his amazement that apart from the two signalers with him there was not a man or weapon to be seen anywhere. Yet he knew within a couple of hundred meters there were thousands of heavily-armed men waiting to kill each other. My point is that you have seen the 98% and on that basis you are telling people there is no war. Stick your head above the parapet and you will find the war.
If you want to know what is really going on in Malmo live there for a few months and talk to the older residents once you have their confidence. The people modern servicemen curse most are liberal politicians and journalists who spend a week on “fact-finding missions” and then go home experts. I am afraid from what you say you are one of these.
My work will continue to take me into Moslem areas several times a week and I do not anticipate any personal problems whatever. Nevertheless an experience 18 months ago might tell you something.
I was driving down the main road in our “Asian” area one sunny afternoon when traffic was slowed by some kind of obstruction ahead. As I picked my way past it I saw three well-built Asians dragging a white guy out of the window of his car and simultaneously beating the crap out of him. Everybody nearby, mostly “Asians”, just stood around and watched and so far as I know the other drivers just went on their way. As soon as I could I pulled over and called the police on my mobile, as I recall it the conversation went like this,
Me; There are three Asians dragging a white man from his car on ----- Road and beating him up!
Police operator; Three white men beating an Asian?
Me; NO! Three Asians beating a white man!
Police operator; Can you get the number of his car?
By then white guy had managed to break away and I gave them the number.
Police operator; What's happening now?
Me; He's got away and driven off towards town.
Police operator; Thank you for your call we have your number and we'll be in touch if we need to.
This is the essential part of my call and it was less than a mile on a direct road from police HQ.
End of story.
BTW Our local paper was threatened with closure by the governments "Race Relations Board" for daring to publish a perfectly factual story of the exploitation of muslim asylum seekers (and the British taxpayer) by a muslim landlord. So don't expect to be told what is happening by the press.
One day soon, I hope, The Swedes and maybe most Europeans will recognize their satanic citizens for what they bring to their new lands: Hate, War, and domination. When that day comes, and I believe it will, will they be able to expunge the cancerous muslims in their body politic, or will they give out a whimpering surrender to the presing barbarians from the satanic cult?
Thanks, Fred, your account is much appreciated. I have no reason to doubt it, and as mentioned above, believe England (where I think you must be writing from) is going down the skids very fast.
My posts were intended, not at all to deny what Bawer, Steyn, Phillips, Bat Ye'or, Caldwell and others have so eloquently described. Rather, to temper the wild assertions that there are places, right now and every day, in European cities that are strict no-go areas at all times for non-Muslims and police. Malmo headed that list. (Parts of Paris not far behind, but I won't inflame matters further by recounting my visits there, including at night.)
I would have thought a careful reading would have surmised that it may not be so simple and some may see only what they want to see. There may be some American schadenfreude involved as well when looking at Europe. On the other hand, perhaps I need to write more clearly.
Caldwell's recent book is not perfect but it is very good. He highlights just how amazingly accurate and far-sighted Enoch Powell's predictions were in his two speeches in 1968. His claims concerning his female constituent in Wolverhampton were not believed at the time. Now these incidents are routine, and your recounting of such an event is entirely credible.
Many of the faulty blanket assertions that I highlighted in posts above are based on the risk situations true at the times of the various riots and disturbances but were then extrapolated out to the more quiescent times.
We have more than enough to genuinely fear from Islam in the West, and this site now on a daily basis is reporting on that, accurately and ominously. My point has been all along to keep our claims within what the evidence will bear.