Muslim anti-terror rally organizer gets death threat: "You're a hypocrite and don't know what Islam is"

So a "moderate" Muslim is considered a hypocrite or apostate by a fellow Muslim. Don't think I need to add a thing to that.

And which would have the weight of islamic texts and scholarship on his side? Anyone? Bueller?

Sadly, Moughni doesn't know what Islam is. The caller was right, barbarian though he be. This functions in microcosm why those who are Muslim and who are decent human beings have no real choice but to give up on Islam completely.

Prediction here: a century or so from now folks will no more understand why anyone would have wanted to be a Muslim than we today comprehend why anyone could have defended the institution of slavery.

Islam is a peaceful religion and I will kill you to prove it!

You can never be a Muslim if you can't make death threats...

As we watch various public and private figures silenced by death threats from Muslims, it would be good to consider whether non-Muslim governments should start sending agents to kill off those who issue the death threats, perhaps including this guy in France or wherever he is. Maybe it would have been a useful international lesson if Khomeini, soon after issuing his international death fatwa on Salman Rushdie, had been shot between the eyes by a sniper, along with any other Islamic authorities supporting the death fatwa.

"Sadly, Moughni doesn't know what Islam is...."

Maybe the poor guy as well as his fellow protesters will learn and end up leaving Islam.

Unfortunately, the caller had the better of the argument. Majed Moughni was trying to defend something that does not really exist, which is a peaceful Islam. Islam is peaceful when it is weak and marginal in a society, and not out of choice. Mohammed followed this path in Mecca until he was expelled, since he really had no other choice. Once Mohammed settled in with his group in Medina, this changed. The violence and the justifications for it multiplied.

The murderous thug understands Islam. And that unfortunate fact is why we must remove it from our society.

I wonder if this constitutes a terrorist incident since the caller was from France? Let's get a clairification from the Obama administration.

If the caller was from France, then his only contact with the United States was in the citizenship of the person he threatened to kill. In this respect he is exaclty like Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, who until he was arrested when the plane he attempted to blow up landed, had never set foot on American soil. Nonetheless, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab did try to kill Americans.

And that was apparently enough to justify not treating him as a war combatant, but as a common criminal, and not just as a common criminal, but as someone who -- why? -- should be accorded a court-appointed lawyer and all the constitutional rights that are given to citizens. Apparently now if you are not an American citizen, but threaten to, or attempt to, or do kill, American citizens, you acquire, by continguity, the rights of an Amercian citizen.

This makes, of course, no sense. But it appears to be the policy of this Administration.

I had a feeling something like this would happen. "Moderate" Muslims take a big risk trying to promote a peaceful image of Islam. All I can suggest is that they consider apostasy; then they no longer have to wrestle with their consciences. Just pull out that rotten tooth and get it over with!

Yes, and the Administration before it.

And if the Administration that follows upon the Obama Adminisetration follows the same policy, we will all be able to resurrect that remark of Mr. Justice Holmes in Buck v. Bell: "Three generations of imbeciles are enough."

Dear friends who support the cause of freedom,

I'm currently in Tampa, FL for business and came across this opinion piece in today's local paper:
http://www.tampabay.com/opinion/columns/we-must-work-with-muslim-americans/1064665

I'm curious as to what this Professor Schanzer thinks about the article above that we are commenting on? I wonder if he has read the Qu'ran. So let's review some facts and data Professor: How many Muslim-Americans have you studied for the past 2 years? Did you use ethnographic research techniques? Personal interviews? How many mosques did you go to?

I love this particular bullet point: "Muslim-Americans feel the strain of living in America during the post-9/11 era. They perceive both official and societal discrimination, endure negative portrayals in the media and worry about the many barriers to assimilation and participation in mainstream American life."

First, what barriers? The freedom of religion is guarded in the Bill of Rights. I haven't seen a denial of building permits for mosques being highlighted in the news since 9/11. What else is viewed as a barrier David? How about a ranked list of barriers from these moderate Muslims that you've studied? How about the barriers Christians feel in Malaysia and Algeria these days?

Assimilation? That's funny I didn't realize it was part of "mainstream" American life to threaten to kill your daughter for converting to another religion. I was unaware that in "mainstream" American culture I should oppress my wife and daughter by confining their abilities to learn and ruthlessly dictating what they should wear. And finally, I had completely forgotten that as part of my mainstream American life that I should threaten death upon all of you Protestant heretics and the Jews of America for having crucified Jesus.

As for strain, how about the strain I feel every time I get on a plane as I scan the faces of my fellow passengers not knowing if some "Moderate" Jihadist might decide that today's flight is to be rerouted to "paradise"? How about the strain of being spat on in public in the middle east when I go there for business? How about the strain of no longer trusting individuals with passports from predominantly Muslim countries? I wonder when the last time David traveled to Saudi, Jordan, Egypt, UAE, Indonesia or Malaysia and had the pleasure of the extra scrutiny since his name is of German-Jewish descent? Disclaimer: I do not know if Professor Schanzer practices any religion. I am merely going on an internet based search for the origin of his family name. How about the strain of not knowing if I can trust what a "Moderate Muslim" is saying as it may be part of the systematic culture of lies to confuse the infidel?

If there are any moderate Muslims here in America, I'm waiting for you to stand up and fight for a modern interpretation of your religion which is what the good Professor implies is happening. Hello, any moderates out there other than this individual in Detroit?

I'm sorry Professor Schanzer but I'm not interested in the course you are teaching in submission to Islam.

Prediction here: a century or so from now folks will no more understand why anyone would have wanted to be a Muslim than we today comprehend why anyone could have defended the institution of slavery.
-posted by Wellington

Prediction here: and that is after anthropologists dig/drill through several inches of glass to recover the only charcoal remnants of the only remaining copy of an apparently sacred Islamic text, referred to by the crazed acolytes of Islam a century ago as, "The Qur'an".

Bottom line, regardless of my expressed skepticism on the sincerity and weight of that anti-terror rally, that guy Moughni DID place himself in danger by doing what he did.

Was what he did great and beneficial, frankly I don't know, I still haven't had the time to look into the details of that rally.

But that is irrelevant. Moughni put his butt on the line by making some sort of gesture in support of human rights. We owe him support.

I will repeat. Assuming even a minimum of sincerity on Moughni's part -- we of the resistance owe him support.

And make no mistake, our response will be carefully watched and monitored.

I have no doubt whatsoever that while the more sophisticated pro-humanity mohammedans, especially apostates, understand what the resistance is about, there are many mohammedans out there who aren't really sure about us. Are we really just in favor of human rights, or do we just hate mohammedans for some unaccountable irrational reason? The less informed may simply not know.

I am still curious about what the turnout was for that rally, what speakers said and what the general tenor and message was. And I remain skeptical.

That said, unless Moughni is just another phony sectarian trying a publicity stunt, his act of dissent placed him on the side of civilization against savagery, and he is due at least our good will and public support.

The dissidents of the mohammedan world must have extraordinary courage. Not just the big-time famous all-stars, the small local operators as well.

Moughni might actually be assassinated for what he has done. Certainly the jihaddis have killed people for less.

"As for strain, how about the strain I feel every time I get on a plane as I scan the faces of my fellow passengers not knowing if some "Moderate" Jihadist might decide that today's flight is to be rerouted to "paradise"? "

lol great post! every word is true.

beaconoflight i liked your post so much, i posted it on my facebook. i hope you don't mind.

"Exposure and education (about jihad) it the answer. The more people know what most of us know, better our chances."

exactly. the more we spread the word and keep drilling the facts into peoples heads, they, hopefully, will wake the hell up.

i'm hoping to get a new generation of free thinking individuals in all areas of academia and government positions by the next generation. i tell everybody about islam. i frequantly post news stories about islam on facebook and other sites. (curiously, i posted an FGM piece the other day and got deleted by a couple people. guess they refuse to handle the truth)

there are 2 types of people in the world..the stupid, who simply can't learn and the ignorant, who could learn if they put their mind to it. i guess a third group would be the willfully ignorant who refuse to learn. those are the ones that irritate me the most. how the hell they can deny the facts presented to them and CHOOSE to keep their head up their ass is beyond me.

but i never give up. i keep plugging along, hoping that someone, somewhere will actually take the time from what i say and do their own research on the subject..

time will tell. but with muslims having like 10+ kids per family, time is running short. very short indeed.

"We're defending Islam. That's why we were out there."

"It's a breath mint...no it's a candy mint"
STOP...you're both right!
Moughni is correct. And so is the caller.
They are both defending Islam.

One Islamist is using the stealthy "greater", more spititual method of "jihad" and the other Islamist is using the "lesser jihad".
They both achieve the same ultimate purpose of conquest.
One way or t'other it's still jihad and it's still a threat to our freedoms. I'm not sure which one is the more dangerous but I lean towards the "stealth jihad" as being the worst of the threats.

To Beaconflight:

Thanks for the post. I wonder if Muslim Americans know that we natives feel the stress of living in post 9-11 America also. By the way I wonder what Prof. Schasnzer knows about Rifqa Bary.

Note that the reporter wrote "the holy Quran" as a statement of fact: it was not a quote.

It's obvious that some Muslims have misinterpreted the first amendment and think that Jihad is a form of free speech. We shouldn't let the behavior of 95% of a group taint our view of 5%.

A complete understanding of Islam

The hidden agenda of Islam:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYMQneyuPSM

"We will kill you"! The Religion of Peace??? I guess being hypocritical isn't a criminal offence but it sure isn't going to get any one to believe that you (Muslims) are for peace don't you think?

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/12/025247.php

The differences between the Bush administration and the Obama administration is simple.
Bush dances with the Saudis and Obama bows to them.

It would certainly be a blessing if this did cause some of the individuals involved to turn to Christ. Please lift up in prayer any muslim or arabic Chistian outreach ministries in the area. Perhaps good will come of this.

Along simular lines, I just read that a new Arabic chuch plant on the Free Methodist chuch was just recognized in Windsor, Ontario, just across the river from Detroit, and the Free Methodist Arabic Fellowship in Ferndale (about 10 miles from Dearborn) continues to grow. So two praises!

The family feud has an international appeal.

Some family members know Allah's wishes better than others.

Moughni replied: "We're defending Islam. That's why we were out there."

Moughni does not say that he is defending the constitution of the USA, but is defending Islam.

Moughni, like his caller, are just two sides of the same coin - both are only interested in the victory of Islam.

I was at the peace rally. Here's some video footage (along with some footage of other Muslim rallies):

http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2010/01/not-in-name-of-islam-majed-moughni-and.html

Once upon a time, Magdi Cristiano Allam identified himself as Muslim while rejecting sharia and jihad. And for doing so - and for saying good things about Israel, to boot - he received a barrage of death threats from many pious Muslim jihadists and sharia-pushers, just like this bloke Moughni has done.

In the end, he resolved the massive cognitive dissonance by deciding that he might as well be hung for apostasy as for 'blasphemy'; he gave up on Islam altogether, as a dead loss; and...apostasised to Christianity, as publicly and loudly as he possibly could.

Mark Gabriel, author of 'Islam and Terrorism', followed the same path as Allam (curiously enough, like Nonie Darwish and Allam, he is an Egyptian Muslim; perhaps the prayers of long-ago martyred Coptic ancestors are having an effect?): he tried to be a 'peaceful' Muslim despite having memorised the entire Quran; he began to question Islam and publicly expressed some doubts about certain things; he was promptly arrested and tortured for not being a good-enough Muslim, long before he got hold of a Bible or even began to think about Christianity; but when he *did* get hold of a Bible and read it his cognitive dissonance (so huge it was causing intense migraines) abruptly resolved itself in apostasy out of Islam to Christianity. No more migraines...death threats aplenty, ostracism from family, fleeing from Egypt to live in exile; but he found he could handle all that, better than living inside the spiritual prison-house of Islam.

Let's pray like blazes that Moughni gets a clue, wakes up to the fact that Islam is a dead-end, and does an Allam. I can think of a couple others whose full liberation we need to pray for: Tawfiq Hamid, for one; and Salah ud din Choudary of Bangladesh, for another (he's been imprisoned and threatened with death, for merely suggesting publicly that Israel was *not* the source of all evil, and that Bangladesh should have diplomatic relations with same).

You see: unlike Hesperado, who seems to have decided that there really is a devil (because of Islam) but who at the same time does *not*, it appears, have much hope that there is anything else out there of a benign spiritual sort powerful enough to *deal* with same, I as an old-fashioned Christian insist on believing that *nothing* is too hard for the LORD; and that therefore Muslims remain human (no matter how evil and heavily demon-possessed/ oppressed/ obsessed many among them undoubtedly are) and that some at least can be spiritually freed.

Moughni may well be practising taqiyya, playing the goodcop-badcop game.

but he may *also* be on his way out of Islam; and the death threats from the more authentically and aggressively Islamic Muslims might just help to push him on his way.

Yawn-will the true Islam please stand up and identify itself?

Terry

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