But Islam is peaceful and tolerant, right? Only some unhinged, bigoted boor would go off about killing Jews, right? Well....
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews. (Sahih Muslim 41.6985)
Watch for a claim of "mental illness," distress, etc, and sob stories about his "Palestinian" origins (even there, aren't we repeatedly told that it's "only" Zionism that is at issue?). What will go largely unexamined in the mainstream press (or quickly swept under the rug) is the root of the violent fixation with Jews beyond the grievance du jour.
"Toledo man charged in flight fracas," by Tammy Stables Battaglia for the Detroit Free Press, January 7:
The Toledo man who Wednesday yelled racial slurs and caused a Detroit flight from Miami to turn around is being held in a Florida jail today.
A Toledo man. That explains everything. Maybe McDonalds botched his McNugget order, too.
Mansor Mohammad Asad, 43, has been charged with threats against a public servant, disorderly conduct and resisting arrest after the incident aboard Delta Airlines flight 2485, according to the Miami-Dade Police Department.
Witnesses told investigators that Asad yelled anti-Semitic references such as, "I'm Palestinian and I want kill all the Jews," in Arabic. The pilot turned around as the plane was taxiing for take-off at 6:35 p.m., according to police.
Officers then escorted the Asad off and performed a safety inspection of the plane before it continued on to Detroit.
But Asad charged officers while he was in custody, using racial slurs and threats while he chanted, leading police to use a Taser to subdue him.
Asad told the judge at his court appearance today that he didn't feel he was a public threat.
The judge cited his death to Jews comment and the comment about the African American officer and said he disagreed.
He told him he would get a lawyer appointed for the man and bring him back tomorrow.
"Asad told the judge at his court appearance today that he didn't feel he was a public threat."
As long as there are no Jews in public, eh?
And Crusaders? Next on his list?
"He [the judge] told him [Mansor Mohammad Asad, 43,] he would get a lawyer appointed for the man and bring him back tomorrow." -- from the article.
He won't need a court appointed lawyer, who might just screw things up. CAIR and the ACLU will most certainly be able to take this as a pro bono case.
Asad's son, Mickey Asad, who was not traveling with his father, told The Miami Herald his father has bipolar disorder. He told the Associated Press the elder Asad had been in and out of mental institutions when he was younger.
``It's not what it's made out to be,'' Mickey Asad told The Herald. ``I don't know, someone had to have pushed his buttons. I don't know, I couldn't explain honestly. Of course he's not a terrorist.''
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/breaking-news/story/1413726.html
It's mental illness, of course, exacerbated by "someone" pushing the poor sick man's "buttons" - couldn't be anything else ;).
I have no doubt this guy (as a pious muslim) hates Jews and may indeed be a bit unhinged but WHY go "public" now and WHY on a plane? Could it be he was inspired by his fellow jihadists currently striking fear into the infidels and wanted to join the party?
"Watch for a claim of "mental illness," distress, etc"
Well the claim of mental illness was already introduced by his son after the incident. Asad's son, 27-year-old Mickey Asad, told The Associated Press that his father suffered from bipolar disorder and was in and out of mental institutions when he was younger.
And apparently he was distressed about some unknown incident as well
"He's far from a terrorist," said the younger Asad. "He just lost his temper. There's no excuse, but someone had to have pushed his button"
These claims made by Asad's son should be clearly checked out back in Ohio.
The public discourse since Christmas has been dominated with the question how do we make flying safe without violating the civil rights of Moslems (i.e., without profiling).
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Say, I've got an idea: How about the gubmint buys dozens of used DC-9s, paint them flat black with "Religion of Peace" emblazoned in white on the fuselage, and operate them in such a way that Moslems can fly domestically at no cost, with the catch being that they may not fly on commerical flights (i.e., Infidel flights).
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Of course, the gubmint would have to buy larger, longer range, planes to transport Moslems across the Atlantic. Big long black tubes thrusting through the air across the sea seething in anger.
*** Bukhari Vol 9 Bk 87 Nbr 127 ****
Might have to operate separate Moslems-only flights for Sunnis and Shias, though.
Would I be wrong to wish for him to receive a court-appointed, Jewish woman lawyer?
"someone must have pushed his button", oh....okay then! So it's not his fault it's "someone's" for pushing his button.
Puhleeze....
CALM DOWN EVERYBODY CALM DOWN ! Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano and Dung Clown-in-Thief Barack Obama said "The system worked.."..thus no need to fear such
Man-Caused Disasters !
Would I be wrong to wish for him to receive a court-appointed, Jewish woman lawyer?
YES...
I can't think of any other type of attorney that would
be MORE LIKELY to get him off....
Would I be wrong to wish for him to receive a court-appointed, Jewish woman lawyer?
YES...
I can't think of any other type of attorney that would
be MORE LIKELY to get him off....
As for the 'Insanity Defense' why not just make it mandatory for all Muslims accused of 'criminal acts' ?
After all, Muslims by definition are pretty much insane.
Did any of the passengers assault him before he could try to smoke his drawers? At what point would this become justifiable self-defense? Do we need a new "fighting words" standard?
A new test case, and saying:
"Free speech has its limits; you don't have the right to yell 'All'ya Hatrack' in a crowded plane'.
"Someone had to push his button" -- a justification offered by Mickey (presumably Mohammad) Asad, for his father having shouted, on a plane, that "I'm Palestinian and I want to kill all Jews."
I don't know.
Has your "button" ever been pushed? Surely it has.
Have you ever thought of shouting at the top of your lungs, on a taxiing plane or elsewhere, "I want to kill all [your collective noun here]"?
No.
Nor have I.
Oh no, not another bipolar muslim! Does it come with the territory or is it just the excuse-du-jour?
Shame he's not in China, they know what to do with bipolar muslims.
"Asad told the judge at his court appearance today that he didn't feel he was a public threat."
Excuse me for not sharing in your feelings, Asad.
I assume that all Islamic leaders wrote him off immediately, quoting that racism and violence are completely foreign to Islam, and that this misunderstander of the religion would henceforth be considered an apostate. With all the implications of that...
Apologies folks, left out some important words:
Let Mansor receive a court-appointed, single, black, female Jewish lawyer from Israel (dual citizenship with a license to practice in Ohio) with an attitude.
Islam means peace & this would Not be a Major story if a passenger said "I want to kill all the Muslims!"
So muslims who snap and show their true colors are just isolated cases of getting their "buttons pushed", and those with "terrorist ties" are part of the Tiny Minority of Extremists&trade and not representative of mainstream islam. So no matter the vituperation spewed by muslims, it is never representative of the whole. Must be great to have the mainstream media and western governments in your hip pocket.
/bangs head against desk
"He's far from a terrorist," said the younger Asad. "He just lost his temper. There's no excuse, BUT someone had to have pushed his button"
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Ah, the sweet sound of reassurance. Nothing more soothing than hearing the Western "moderate" Muslim's favorite conjunction "but" to calm jangled nerves:
"Well NORMALLY, I'm completely AGAINST grinding up orphans and making them into tasty children mcnuggets, BUT..."
Holy Toledo, Batman! Hey, was Toledo part of the Iberian Peninsula infected with Mo's during the glory days of the caliphate?
I have followed Robert's work for a few years and cannot praise it highly enough. He has changed my life in such a positive and profund way. To me this is the ultimate good.
I am here in an attempt to organize a group of people who have the time and interest to fight the left-wing and Islamic propoganda seen throughout college papers today.
I am certainly not the right person to do this, as I find it hard enough to organize the simplest things, but I feel strongly enough about this as to make the attempt.
Bottom line: we are all talking to ourselves here. We mostly share the same or similar viewpoints about Islam, and the threat it poses for the world's freedoms. What I recommend is we start branching out, i.e., instead of communicating with one another, let's start challenging Islamists via college papers where Islam's apologists reign supreme.
I have been doing this for about a year on my own. In a way it's very easy to do. We have the facts on our side. They do not. But it's also very hard to do because there is so much of this crap out there. If there are a half dozen people who could work together I think we could help counter the bullshit while at the same time act as a voice, a helping hand as Robert has done for me, for those who are thirsting for our viewpoints -- for an anser to this anti-semitic and Islamic madness.
I am not suggesting we stop communicating with one another, but am only suggesting our time would be better served if we worked together to fight the propoganists for Islam. Let's get out there like Robert does to really change things.
I am open to any suggestions as to how to do this. The biggest hurdle I see is how to create a group of people while preserving our anonymous status. The last thing I want is to have some frickin' Islamist knock on my door one day. Any suggestions??
“Political correctness does not legislate tolerance, it only organizes hatred”
Jacques Martin Barzun (born November 30, 1907),French-born American historian of ideas and culture
"In the practice of tolerance, one's enemy is the best teacher."
Dalai Lama
Excerpt from the following link:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,582383,00.html
And why not? Threatening to kill Jews is not an act of terror? Screaming that intention on a taxiing airplane is not an act of terror?
Exactly WHAT constitutes an act of terror if shouting death threats about a particular ethnic group on a fully-loaded airplane does not?
But not only that, what exactly constitutes "hate speech" if this incident doesn't qualify?
Our leaders, our officials, our spokespersons and everybody else who holds a position of "power" over the people who put them there need intense scrutiny by those same people who gave them their jobs.
Is anybody's intelligence insulted by the yahoos who are in authority over us?
Damn them all, and damn us too for not standing up to and challenging these shitheads!
Arafat; maybe you need to see FrontPage Magazine, with which Robert is affiliated.
http://frontpagemag.com/
And your call-sign is a bit... odd.
madam clinton just explain why these lost souls have caused all these "manmade disasters" it is caused by "poverty" you see these poor islamists have no futur living in poverty and resort to terrorizing the wealthy West, can she explain the attack on non-Muslims from poor nations that are terrorized by these islamists? and why are most of of the rich sowdi terrorists and this latest crotch bomber came from wealthy families, including OBL? and the doctor who killed people in Texas as the military base, last time l looked doctors do not live in poverty, now you know why the State Dept is perpetually lost in limbo.
Not at all - in fact, it would be j-u-s-t right!
To echo undaunted, Arafat, why "Arafat?"
Here's a little more from a story at boston.com about Mansor Asad:
"Mansor Asad, who owns an appliance store in Toledo, was returning home from a vacation in Miami with his sister and his 14-year-old daughter.
His son said his father has a short temper and extensive criminal record. He also said his father had been doing better in recent years. 'This is such a strange turn,' he said.
Asad was being held pending a Friday bond hearing, with his arraignment date scheduled for Jan. 27. Court officials said Asad asked a judge for 24 hours to hire an attorney.
Witnesses told investigators who boarded the plane that Asad was loud, disruptive and claimed to be Palestinian. His son said he was an American citizen of Palestinian descent.
Officers didn't find any weapons or explosives on Asad, who police said was agitated and aggressive at times, according to an arrest affidavit. Authorities used a stun gun to subdue Asad on the jet bridge after he charged at an officer with fists clenched. He also chanted in a foreign language and threatened officers during a search.
'I'm not afraid of you cops, I've gotten in fights with cops in Ohio and broke their arms in three places," he said, according to the affidavit. 'I've broken skulls too!'
The affidavit noted that alcohol didn't appear to be a factor during the incident.
The Transportation Security Administration said three of Asad's companions were also taken off the plane and questioned. The plane later departed without incident after a search using police dogs."
Now let's see. Mansor Mohamad Asad of Toledo, Ohio has a criminal record. he telss the police "I'm not afraid of you cops, I've gotten in fights with cops in Ohio and broke their arms in three places." He added that "I've broken skulls too1"
On a flight, as the plane is taxiing, he screams out "I want to kill all Jews."
You can find his picture by googling his name. Take a good look.
The authorities want you to believe that what he did is not "terrorism-related" even if what he did struck terror, no doubt, into more than one Infidel heart on that plane.
So here's my one question, Your Honor:
Will Mansor Mohamad Asad, 46, of Toledo, Ohio, who claims to have broken arms of policemen and broken skulls too, and whose own son says, by way of defense, that his father suffers from mental problems and bipolar disordre, may try to fly again.
Will he, given what we all know about him now, be allowed to fly in a plane within this country? Or will he, as he should be, be put on a permanent No-Fly List?
We're all waiting to find out. We won't let this drop.
Asad's son, 27-year-old Mickey Asad, told The Associated Press that his father suffered from bipolar disorder and was in and out of mental institutions when he was younger.
Bi-polar disorder has become quite popular among Muslims.
Re "Arafat"
Isn't that the name of the mountain where Noah's ark's supposed to rest?
No, jewcat, though it is a close one spelling wise. Noah's ark was supposed to rest on Mt. Ararat, not Mt. Arafat.
"Noah's ark was supposed to rest on Mt. Ararat..."
-- from a posting just above
"There's always been an Ararat/Where someone someone else begat/To start the world all over at."
-- Robert Frost, "A Wishing Well"
This incident reminds me of something that happened on a railway platform in Canada on a Friday evening - note well, a *Friday* evening - a couple of years ago, and which got into at least one Canadian paper, and thence, appeared at jihadwatch.
A teenage Jewish girl and three Gentile teenager friends were standing on the platform.
A Muslim man approached them and asked the girl if she was Jewish. In her innocence (and his inquiry must have been made with a false casualness?) she said, Yes.
At which he attacked her, telling her "I'm Muslim and hate Jews!" Her friends once they got over their shock tried to help her, not very effectively.
(Blessings upon Google: I just did a quick search and found the link for the posting and discussion as they appear in the archives here).
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/07/im-muslim-and-hate-jews.html
From that article:
"Taj approached the group around 10:45 p.m. and asked "who's Jewish."
"Nichola Cordato, then 16, stated "me" and Taj grabbed her and said, "I'm Muslim and hate Jews." {Observe the 'bravery' of the Mohammedan male: a 21 year old Muslim man ATTACKS *a sixteen-year-old Jewish girl*. How brave. How manly...NOT. In fact, how sickeningly contemptible! *spit* He should have been booed and jeered at by angry non-Muslims when he appeared in court - dda}.
"He then slapped her in the face and pulled her hair before her friends, Jessica Motta, Kayla Hungle and Daniel Ball attempted to intervene.
"Hungle attempted to prevent Taj from further attacking Cordato and was punched in the face by him.
"Motta then intervened and was punched in the face, pulled to the ground by her hair and kicked in the stomach and ribs.
"When Ball tried to stop the assaults, he was thrown onto the C-Train tracks where he fell onto his back and was spat upon by Taj." END EXCERPT
(For *that* - throwing someone onto the train tracks - Taj should have been charged with attempted murder - dda).
Now, just compare and contrast.
A Muslim man, on a U.S. plane about to leave Miami, Florida, goes apesh*t yelling "I'm Palestinian [sic] and I want to kill all the Jews!"
A Muslim man on a railway platform in Calgary, Canada, attacks a Jewish girl and her three teenage friends, yelling, "I'm Muslim and hate Jews!"
Two different countries, two different years, but: two Muslims saying almost exactly the same thing, giving voice to an identical diabolical and thoroughly-Islamically-scriptural hatred.
That is interesting. Are we to assume that practitioners of Islam are mentally ill and not responsible for their own actions? "Friends don't let friends become Muslims." Also, keep them away from airline ticket counters.
It is a means of avoiding the full consequences of their actions. Also, it is an outward and visible sign of their inward spiritual cowardice. They can dish it out, but they often cannot take it.
cheez whiz this asad creep gives us bipolar people a bad name. I've never kicked up a fuss on a plane before no matter how bad the food's been etc. Seriously these izlamonutz are getting bolder by the day, NO MORE MUZLIMS ON PLANES! Someone start a Fly Infidel Airline.
Perhaps, he did not like the in flight movie?
My name is not what is important. Anonymity is important to me. There is too much evidence, IMO, for those who fight Islam, to not be concerned about their anonymity/personal safety.
What I care about is exactly what I wrote: How can we organize a group to fight the Islamists on campus? It is there where Muslims are using their lying propoganda tools effectively to poison young people's minds.
Is there a way for a group of us to fight this? I am doing so currently at UCLA (The Daily Bruin is the paper's name) under the name "Popeye" (Google "Daily Bruin" then click on "viewpoints" and then click on the article about "Islam" then read the comments by Popeye.) I am also currently doing it at UC/Irvine under the name Arafat (New University is that paper's name and you can google it too. The article I am fighting in that paper is also one of the editorials). I have also written extensively at Northwestern's paper, FSU's paper, Michigan's paper, Yale and Harvard, UNLV, Univ of Vriginia, Columbia, NYU, Indiana, Arkansas papers, etc, etc, etc...
To reiterate my point: We are preaching to the choir here. We all agree that Islam is a violent cult and a threat. We need to get out, to fight against Islamists where it will do some good -- not amongst ourselves.
Doesn't this make sense? It is what Robert does at great risk and is one reason we all admire him so much. Let's follow his lead, only let's do it anonymously so as to protect ourselves from the threat that comes with standing up to Islam.
I am open to any suggestions as to how to make this work. My thoughts are to have us monitor as many campus papers as possible, and when there is an editorial that is offensive to fight it as a group. I find doing it on my own is a full time job and would appreciate any support I could get. I would really appreciate any ideas/help to help make this happen.
Radical Islam is winning the war in America:
http://the-raw-deal.com/2010/01/07/america-welcomes-terrorism/
Nathan R. Jessup
www.the-raw-deal.com
There is one aspect of Asad's case that may be overlooked:
"The judge cited his death to Jews comment and the comment about the African American officer..."
We know about his "I'd like to kill all the Jews" comment which is reason enough to throw whatever book at him that can be thrown.
But what exactly was his comment about "the African American officer"? Giving wide publicity to that, quoting his exact words, would be useful, useful as part of a campaign to help immunize those who are among the carefully-selected targets of Da'wa by those who -- see the Arab massacre not only of Christian and animist black Africans in the southern Sudan, and the enslavement of those who survive, but the same treatment given by the
Arabs, and the Arab Janjaweed, even to black African, that is non-Arab, Muslims in Darfur. See as well the enslavement of black Africans even today, by Arabs in West Africa, and the abolition of the Arab trade in African slaves only through the force applied by Great Britain in East Africa, and France in North Africa.
So tell us what Mansor Mohamad Asad, who owns a hardware store in Toledo, Ohio (its name should not be hard to find) said to that "African American police officer." Many people, including some no doubt in Toledo, Ohio, hoping to prepare a suitable welcome for Mr. Asad sometime after his return to Toledo, would like to know the exact words he used. Does anyone know what they were?
Did she just say that?! Wow, I thought that myth was completely behind us. That is unacceptable for someone of her stature to be that ignorant ( willfully or not ) when it comes to her countries predominant threat.
As far as this guy being mentally ill is concerned, he very well might be, I certainly don't know. The problem, much of the time, is that when you lay things over the templet that is Islam, bad things happen. Weather it be mental illness, being jilted by a lover, being wronged by an infidel or their country, etc. etc. all these things become pretext for violence when looking at them through Islamic glasses.
Hopefully the media will continue to report that he made a comment to a black officer about "going back to Africa" if people knew how muslim Arabs feel about blacks and Africans, they would be much less likely to look at them as poor darker skinned minorities being victimized by the White westerners and those damn Joooooos.
Hugh wrote, citing the Boston.com article:
Witnesses told investigators who boarded the plane that Asad was loud, disruptive and claimed to be Palestinian. His son said he was an American citizen of Palestinian descent.
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Yet he *still* considers himself "Palestinian", and Muslim, first. He will probably refer to himself as "American" soon enough—in court—where it will be more politic.
more:
'I'm not afraid of you cops, I've gotten in fights with cops in Ohio and broke their arms in three places," he said, according to the affidavit. 'I've broken skulls too!'
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Here is a link to Mansor Mohammad Asad's extensive rap sheet. They can be a bit difficult to read, but it seems as though this upstanding citizen does indeed have an extensive sheet—mostly assault, including on police officers.
http://twitter.com/FOXToledo/statuses/7500741469
more:
You can find his picture by googling his name. Take a good look.
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The following piece contains a hostile-looking booking photo. It accompanies a Miami Herald newspaper article, titled—what else?—"Man taken off Miami-Detroit plane saying `kill all Jews' had mental problems"
http://www.miamiherald.com/416/story/1413726.html?storylink=omni_popular
The question is also how could a psychotic run a small business? Evidently, his psychosis was controllable enough for him to run his business. So, was he really psychotic or just a horrible person? Would it not be more rational to assume that Mansor Asad was an Islamist sympathizer who was inspired by what his fellow Muslims had done recently?
Two points. I respectfully disagree that your chosen name is not important. Arafat was a hideous man, a terrorist's terrorist. I understand your desire for anonymity but taking the name of a monster simply doesn't make sense to me and I think it is a guarantee that at least some individuals will wonder, as I and undaunted did, why you chose such a cover name, this then detracting from your overall mission to convey proper information about Islam to as many people as possible. Perhaps you will reconsider regarding this matter.
Second, I don't accept your assertion that we are just preaching to each other here at JW. Several regular posters at JW have their own web site and disseminate further information, some of it very pragmatically oriented, about the Islamic supremacist menace on such sites. Other posters have indicated over the years that they have made many efforts to convey information about Islam to others. I myself have spoken to numerous individuals privately over the years and even in the classes I teach, where admittedly I have to be more circumspect in what I say (but I still say things that have made many students, particularly females, take more notice of Islam). Furthermore, Jihad Watch has grown with each passing year respecting its readership. This too is evidence that proper information about Islam is getting out there to more and more folks.
I have written this in a spirit of helpfulnesss, not criticism, and wish you continued success in your efforts writing to various college newspapers about the Islamic threat to American and Western liberty.
Wellington,
No offense taken. Your comments are both thoughtful and intelligent, and are received as such. Your skpeticism is no different than I would feel if in your shoes. And, in fact, I speak to this quite clearly when emphasizing the need we all have for a certain degree of anonymity. The sutpidiest thing any of us could do is grandstand our real names on a site like this. Again this is one reason we respect Robert so much. His courage --like the courage of all those who speak truth to Islam publicly-- is more than I am willing to do.
I have taken the names Arafat and Ali as a dig to Muslims who write their offesnsive crap in college dailies. No doubt it is immature of me to do so, but it is the choice I made. Their Goebbels like approach is maddening to me, so choosing names like Arafat, I felt, would drive them a little crazy as well.
Anyway, I encorage you and others to comtimue to challenge me, to question me. I do not expect immediate trust from anyone. Please know, though, that my goal is as stated and any help I can get in this effort will be appreciated if I am successful in gaining the trust of those here.
Finally, I agree with your initial point that the comments on this site do much good, and I apologize for suggesting otherwise. I hope you understand my point, as well, that by getting out "there" more and challenging the Muslim apologists can also be a very constructive use of our time.
Thanks for taking the time to ask questions and to challenge my autheticity. I will close by saying something few "real" Muslims would ever write just to help assure you and others I am for real: Islam is a violent cult. Mohammed was a psychopath, a killer, a rpaist, an enslaver who collectively has done more harm to mankind than any other man in history.
What real Muslim --other than courageous apostates-- would ever write something like that!
Arafat
Got to say I agree with Wellington and undaunted on your choice of name and urge you to reconsider. However, I applaud your sentiments and agree with you in principle.
On the other hand, it might be worth bearing in mind that no matter how lofty your aspirations, your appeal for support may have certain limiting factors. Many folk posting here are from outside the USA, while your focus seems to be specifically American. From the broad base of JW bloggers your appeal might only resound with your fellow Americans and then only those whose focus is specifically on higher education. Each of these factors might narrow your uptake. But there again I'd be delighted to be proved wrong. I hope many flock to your cause, because it's a worthy one. I'm not trying to pour cold water, I'm just saying it doesn't hurt to be realistic about these things.
It's crossed my own mind in the past that there is so much passionate creative energy zipping around in the JW forums we should really harness it and put it to some constructive use. However, I feel that as we are an international community of people, we should think globally and more broadly in the terms we might want to express and act upon. How about a sort of global manifesto of specific points upon which we are all in agreement, and which we could all express and act upon in a coherent manner, no matter where in the world we may live? The consesus voice of our movement, speaking a single unified doctrine to the world.
I agree with Arafat about the need to act. don't know about the rest of you but I sometimes have the uncomfortable feeling that I'm fiddling while Rome burns down around my ears. I agree that we either organise ourselves or we will remain forever nothing more than a talking shop. Is it possible to get organised, or even desirable? It would be fiendishly difficult to arrange, and time-consuming considering the delays in time-zones etc. JW bloggers, I invite your thoughts on this...
Arafat,
As Wellington says, there is a great deal of speaking out by commenters from JW. The debate going on here often inspires people to go on to tackle people and disseminate ideas way beyond this forum.
My record on that is relatively modest, but I have debated with my MP, the Quilliam Foundation, BBC, Guardian and a few others.
I hope your ideas to take things further are successful.
And I too think maybe you would benefit from a name change.
StephanA55 and Wellington,
Again than you for the constructive crticism.
If you want to check out some of my comments visit the FSUnews.com daily. This is Florida State Unversity's daily paper. In it I post under the name of Arafat. I have engaged a very clever, persistent and skilled Muslim apologist on that site who goes by the name "Thirdeyeopen".
I am also currently debating someone on UCLA's daily (The Daily Bruin). In that debate I use the name "Popeye".
I have been very active at NYU's daily, Michigan's, Yale, Harvard, USC, Michigan/Dearborn, Unive of Virginia, etc... These are just a few of the college papers where I have tried to make a difference. I hope I have made some postive difference even if not always done so eloquently, maturely or as effectively as possible. And this is exactly why I am looking for help, i.e., to help round out my rough edges. (In addition to having more people covering more gorund, and bringing more to the table than I could ever do.)
Arafat and Anyone,
I looked at the Daily Bruin Viewpoint section and FSUnews and I see what you mean.
All those who wish to get more involved and have time to spare should have a look at these forums and consider supporting Popeye/Arafat.
This looks genuine, folks.
Only my first impression.
StephenA55,
Eureka! Myabe you have just solved the conundrum.
What if we were simply to notify one another when there is a need by posting it at some central place?
This gets around the anonymity problem. You do not need my email, my real name, my nothing.
This also makes others aware that a Muslim, or a Muslim apologist is spreading deceit and we (those who want to get involved) can counter the lies.
As I wrote in my first comment here, it is relatively easy to fight these people as the facts are on our side. They have to lie. All we need do is tell the truth and document it with the facts.
The problem is in that there are so many of them, and so few of us. If we figure out a way to create a "College Watch" like Robert has created the "Jihad Watch" then a group of us can set up a sort of "rapid respond" group to get the truth out.
Take a small step to take our colleges back from the leftists and Islamic liars!
(As an aside I read with interest Hard Rain's excellent comments. I agree with him there are all sorts of battles we can engage in, in addition to what I am trying to organzie. I can only encourage all of us to get involved, pick a battle and organize it as I am trying to do with my specific cause.)
Finally let me say using the name "Arafat" or "Ali" may be perverse, it may be stupid, but I enjoy it. In my mind it adds an element of confusion, a layer of pyschological gamemenship to what I do. In my opinion, rightly or wrongly, it is a form of "deceit" used against the Islamists. If you will, it is taking a page out of their book!
I wonder if Robert, Or David Horowitz, or ACT could act as a central where we visit on a daily basis to find out about, or to notify fellow interested friends about a college editorial, or meeting of leftists where we need to speak out and to let others hear about our viewpoint? Do you think this might be possible?
We will not know where this goes if we do not start, if we do not try. Who knows, maybe this becomes very successful. Maybe this helps college kids who are confused by all the Islamic lies, by the endless anti-semitic crap disseminated at the college level. Maybe this can become a template for some of Hard Rain's other areas of concern. I am all for doing whatever it is WE can do to help people like Robert Spencer fight the good fight in what might be a more constructive way -- ar at least in addition to-- what we do when we communicate among ourselves. Let's both preach to the choir, but more importantly to the congregants as well, eh?
StephenA55,
Eureka! Myabe you have just solved the conundrum.
What if we were simply to notify one another when there is a need by posting it at some central place?
This gets around the anonymity problem. You do not need my email, my real name, my nothing.
This also makes others aware that a Muslim, or a Muslim apologist is spreading deceit and we (those who want to get involved) can counter the lies.
As I wrote in my first comment here, it is relatively easy to fight these people as the facts are on our side. They have to lie. All we need do is tell the truth and document it with the facts.
The problem is in that there are so many of them, and so few of us. If we figure out a way to create a "College Watch" like Robert has created the "Jihad Watch" then a group of us can set up a sort of "rapid respond" group to get the truth out.
Take a small step to take our colleges back from the leftists and Islamic liars!
(As an aside I read with interest Hard Rain's excellent comments. I agree with him there are all sorts of battles we can engage in, in addition to what I am trying to organzie. I can only encourage all of us to get involved, pick a battle and organize it as I am trying to do with my specific cause.)
Finally let me say using the name "Arafat" or "Ali" may be perverse, it may be stupid, but I enjoy it. In my mind it adds an element of confusion, a layer of pyschological gamemenship to what I do. In my opinion, rightly or wrongly, it is a form of "deceit" used against the Islamists. If you will, it is taking a page out of their book!
I wonder if Robert, Or David Horowitz, or ACT could act as a central where we visit on a daily basis to find out about, or to notify fellow interested friends about a college editorial, or meeting of leftists where we need to speak out and to let others hear about our viewpoint? Do you think this might be possible?
We will not know where this goes if we do not start, if we do not try. Who knows, maybe this becomes very successful. Maybe this helps college kids who are confused by all the Islamic lies, by the endless anti-semitic crap disseminated at the college level. Maybe this can become a template for some of Hard Rain's other areas of concern. I am all for doing whatever it is WE can do to help people like Robert Spencer fight the good fight in what might be a more constructive way -- ar at least in addition to-- what we do when we communicate among ourselves. Let's both preach to the choir, but more importantly to the congregants as well, eh?
Here is a link to a debate I chose to engage in on UCLA's college paper. You can see it is pretty much me against several apologists. This is not always the case. On Univ. of Michigan's site there is an outstanding poster on "our" side, and the same thing at Yale's daily, among others. But all too often it is me trying to fight for our cause by myself. I sometimes feel like Sisyphus and could use help rolling that boulder to the top!
I use the name Popeye in this link:
http://www.dailybruin.com/articles/2010/1/5/european-governments-censure-islamism-problematic/
Arafat:
Check out Campus Watch:
http://www.campus-watch.org/
Maybe they have something that would fit the bill.
You could contact the head offices of Zionist Jewish student groups such as
Hillel:
http://www.hillel.org/index
and
Hasbara:
http://www.israelactivism.com/
to see what kinds of networks they might already have in place for this type of work.
Thank you Josephine. I will do as you suggest.
I love it.....all this websites against Islam.Wow we must really get on ur nerves,what a wonder that a simple illeterate man from the desert could cause such intense scrutiny!! Takbir!! Like it or not Islam is spreading and we are gonna get u he he. Well I was going to write how u should not judge Islam by what muslims do but i figure it would have no effect here as all you do is qoute verses from the Quran without looking at the time they were revealed and in which context. Well here in Africa and in Kenya in particular Islam is growing fast and we now account for 30% of the population.Anyway enough blabbering.Look out for a mosque in a neighbourhood near you. Im sure u gonna insult or delete me for "trolling" but it just fascinates me that u all have such intense hatred not only for Islam but for muslims alike hmmmm....well good luck with that!!
I don't at all agree that the regulars here are just preaching to the converted. When I first discovered this website in 2005, when I wanted to view the motoons, the comments posted and Hugh's essays (many of them a TOUGH SLOG, HUGH! THANKS! lol seriously much appreciated) were and continue to be extremely educational.
It is good to keep in mind that many people read and don't necessarily comment but you can be sure they are getting an education here and quite likely discussing these matters with their families, friends and acquaintances as well.
Bismillah:"what a wonder that a simple illeterate man from the desert could cause such intense scrutiny!! "
You said it. I'm surprised a muslim actually admitted he was illiterate. He was also a slave owner, a rapist, a child molester and a murderer. Why would you want to follow such a prophet?!
"but i figure it would have no effect here as all you do is qoute verses from the Quran without looking at the time they were revealed and in which context."
Care to share which verses are being taken out of context, or are you just throwing this argument as a smoke screen?
"Im sure u gonna insult or delete me for "trolling" "
No, I'm sure your ignorant post will remain here so we can have a good example of ignorance in islam. You sound like you intend this to be a hit-and-run posting, which is pretty trollish.
"but it just fascinates me that u all have such intense hatred not only for Islam but for muslims alike hmmmm....well good luck with that!!"
Please point out where hatred of *muslims* is being spread here. We hate *islam* because it teaches hatred and subjugation and murder of the kuffir (non-believer) as practiced by your coreligionists around the world. Perhaps the reason we *hate* Islam is because of what your fellow Muslims do, and you should be chiding/informing them for their beliefs not us for reporting on it.
Good day.
Hey your moronic little twit bismillah, you can FLIP THE HELL OFF, the jig is UP! infidels all over the world, more and more each day, are wising up to your evil, nasty filthy excuse to a religion! Thanks to the power of the internet, there is nowhere for you and your ilk to hide anymore!
I am GLAD there are more and more anti-muzlim websites every day. Far from irritating infidels, they just serve to strengthen our resolve to get rid of your disgusting death cult once and for all.
You can only increase by breeding, almost no one in their right mind would stay in izlum if they weren't forced on threat of death. Great belief system you got there, you have to FORCE people to stay in it!
And I want to burst your bubble by informing you that everyday more people are leaving izlum and becoming Christians so SUCK ON THAT, JERK!
I am so sick of that "context" crap that izlamonutz keep parroting I want to barf. It is SO OLD, and doesn't stand up to scrutiny and THEY KNOW IT so why do they keep doing it!! Sorry I just had to get that out....
My pleasure, Arafat. Stay safe.
Re: the Arafat subtopic.
Some various points:
1. The suggestions of Hard Rain are not really relevant: the Internet has internationalized things radically, such that now a college paper out of Tallahassee, Florida, can be effortlessly and nearly instantaneously (aside from aggravating connection and ISP speed problems) accessed by the mouse of a person in Sydney, Australia, or Malmo, Sweden, or Hornchurch Havering, England, or Tierra Del Fuego, Chile -- but then, each of those places and thousands of others around the globe also have their colleges and college papers on websites.
2. Although it is changing rapidly, I suspect most college students still read their college papers in hard copy; so they may never see the website comments. The majority of people going to the Florida State University college paper on-line, it seems, would be a certain percentage of the students and faculty, as well as of alumni. It seems any readership outside of these would be rather rare, to say the least.
4. A much higher readership would pertain to the website articles and comments sections of mainstream newspapers; even the website of the local paper of Tallahassee, Florida, for example, would have a higher readership than the college paper website of Florida State University. This isn't to say that Arafat's project isn't worthwhile: it would be one small, but important, piece of the larger jigsaw puzzle of activities we in the still inchoate Anti-Islam Movement could engage in. An even more important piece, in my estimation, however, would be a similar galvanization of us to submit comments to those mainstream paper websites. And again, with mainstream paper websites, they are not merely limited to America: there are literally thousands around the Western world.
5. More specifically and concretely, a project like Arafat's could be optimized by organizing all the information beforehand: locate the URLs of all the major college paper websites of each country in the West, post the direct comment links for each, have a system where any one of us involved in this particular project alerts the others through a central website (a "College Watch" as Arafat suggested) of the appearance of an Islam-apologist comment, then as many of the others as can will go there to counter-comment. This same organization methodology can be used for the other (somewhat more important in my estimation) project of adding our comments to the websites of mainstream newspaper (and mainstream news, such as the BBC, NBC, CBS, etc.) websites.
6. It is my suspicion that this type of organized galvanization of cyber soldiers, as it were, is already being done by Muslims (and perhaps also by their Leftist apologists) and has been for quite some time. It's time we get on the ball and counter-attack.
7. Caveat Cruxador: The time and effort that would be spent on even one seemingly modest project like Arafat's could become enormous. Often in these comments arguments on-line, it is not a matter of simply going there, reading the comments, then posting one definitive counter-comment: they quickly balloon into a welter of complex sub-topics and radiating peripheral points (particularly and mostly deployed by the Islam apologists, as a calculated tactic of obfuscation and diversion). Thus, even simply one college paper website could take up all of one's time, if one felt committed to making sure to squelch the hydra monster of the Islam apologists who might swarm there -- or even one just busy beaver (like our own dave742) could tie up a small army of 10 or 20 of us for months, if we tried to untangle all the multiplying tentacles of his points, sub-points, sub-sub-points, etc. -- each one tempting us with its outrageous tu quoques, equivalencies, and a myriad other fallacies; not to mention the proliferation of factoids which have to be tracked down and patiently refuted with facts, which by itself can take enormous amounts of time. Nevertheless, even if many of us only deposited one good comment, that may be helpful.
8. The problems indicated in #7 could be greatly minimized if the still inchoate Anti-Islam Movement could galvanize itself to creating a definitive, yet manageably sized, Handbook that lists
a) all of the Islam apologist talking points (both their defenses of Islam and their tu quoque and equivalencist attacks on the West), accompanied by our counterpoints
b) all our points against Islam.
(The two, a and b, are of course intertwined.)
Nearly a decade after 911, and we still don't have a definitive Handbook like this yet. Our problem has become not that we don't have enough information about the problem of Islam: we have too much information about it! And our surplus of information suffers from a lack of organization and precision -- not to mention also, too often, an inadequacy of credible source citation. We need to tighten up our overall body of information and argumentation, and we need to locate it in one place -- not scattered all over the Internet in various bewilderingly overlapped places.
For such a Handbook to be produced, it would require money and assistance from various Luminaries in the still inchoate Anti-Islam Movement. It is highly doubtful that a handful of ordinary volunteers from among the "civilian" population of the still inchoate Anti-Islam Movement could manage to produce it. (Four of us actually did try, a couple of years back, and our failure was instructive for what is necessary to do it right.)
9. That said, a project like Arafat's does not have to be put on hold while we wait another 10 years for people in the still inchoate Anti-Islam Movement to produce such a Handbook. It would not be unfruitful for various grunts among us to organize even half-assedly and fling ourselves into the trenches as much as we can. It would be better, of course, if we could be more organized.
10. Even on a less organized level, some degree of organization would be required, as fleetingly sketched in my point #5 above, to which further additions can be made.
Hesparado,
What stage did you reach in your failed attempt to produce a definitive anti-jihad handbook?
Do you think the work you once did on this project could be resurrected and continued?
How about your website as a base of operations, and do you have any thoughts on how this could be financed, or do you think it could be entirely voluntary?
Perhaps Mr Spencer with his experience could advise on whether this could be turned into a viable publishing project, ie, the information garnered could be organised in such a way as to wind up in the form of a volume or series of volumes on which a sympathetic publisher might be prepared to risk an advance.
Anything that helps to counter what I'm sure you are right in saying is thoroughly organised effort from the Islamic side will be useful, surely.
And I didn't mean to call you Shirley.
Great input Herperado and thanks for taking the time!
I am in contact with www.campus-watch.org as per Josphine's suggestion. My contact there also likes the idea, also sees some hurdles and work to make it happen, but is receptive to it. This contact wanted to take the weekend to think about it.
Let me apologize for suggesting the comment section of this site is not productive. I am sure it is in many ways for all who read it and write to it.
I did not mean to demean this site so much as to encourage a small group of us to take this "on the road". To confront those who are manipulating our media for their evil pruposes.
I have to think that there are people within this community who have the contacts to see if this idea is doable. Speaking for myself I have absolutely no idea how much work would be involved, or even how to begin. The truth is that reaching out here, on this site, is how I have begun.
All I know is that personally I have found making the leap from thinking about this stuff, and communicating about this tuff with like-minded people toward confronting the apologists head-on very rewarding. My goal is to get more people involved in this effort. To emulate Robert Spencer but in a different format and for a different audience.
I know when I went to college I would have been thrilled to have access to our information instead of left hanging on a vine while listening to the leftist professors. Let's see if we can create a community to help make this a reality. Let's win back the college campuses from the SJP, MSB and their ilk.
Northwest Ohio and Southeast Michigan have substantial Muslim populations in large part because Henry Ford, who was an Anti-Semite on the side, invited people from Lebanon to work in his factories. The first wave was all Christins but after a while some of their Muslim cousins came to join them.
How respectful...he wants to commit genocide on Jews. CAIR where are you? He has JUDEOPHOBIA....Lock him up and throw away the key.
Arafat and StephenA55,
I wouldn't want to use my blog for this; I'm not even sure I'd want to commit to this project myself. I was just laying out some points from my vantage, my two cents.
It's easy and free to create a blog on blogspot.com -- call it "Campus Watch Command Center" or something. You can post a list of all college paper websites you can find, and keep adding more as you find more. You can also use the place as a place for others to alert when a specific campus paper website needs some comments and/or counter-comments.
Once you get a template going like this, it will be easier, and less time-consuming, for others to pitch in and help.
Hesperado
Your essay - points 1 to 10 - all good points. I'm new to JW blogging and still have so much to learn and so little time. I had no idea that you and your colleagues had already attempted the project I suggested. And four years ago? I live in Britain. We just don't have four years to get ourselves organised. Time is a luxury we no longer possess. In four years the demographic will have stacked up against us so heavily that we in the resistance will be going to the wall, one by one.
To be honest, the main reason I wanted to suggest getting ourselves organised and taking real effective action immediately was because I'm so aware that there always comes a point when the time for talking runs out. It's a cold equation, a historical imperative, and in Britain we're staring it in the face.
We have a general election here in five months time. This is one of the last democratic elections we'll ever have, because we're being demographically subsumed into the Muslim world. By the next general election in another four years there will be five times the number of Muslim candidates, majority seats in many constituencies and calls from the floor of the House to implement Sharia law. This will all happen democratically, of course, because the MPs will all avow that they are only responding to the wishes of their constituents.
Sic transit gloria mundi
Not that I should worry, because by then I'll be dead, killed in the fighting, draped across a barricade.
An aside to Worry01,
Bipolar disorder is not a psychosis. It's a mood disorder, as are depression and mania. Bipoloar disorder is a peculiar mixture of the two, and is treatable, with mood elevators and antidepressants (please don't ask me how that works--The cocktail proably varies, from case to case.).
I see what you mean, though, about psychotics and whether or not one could run a business. I'm no expert, but I'm a "true crime" junkie. Psychoses are often invisible, and psychotics can function at very high levels.
Ted Bundy had a rocky juvenile record, but pretty much had his act together, by the time he became an adult. An "act" is what it was, of course.
Now, as to whether or not Mansor Asad happens to be a psychotic, I hope we find out, while he is in custody. I suppose it wouldn't mean much, though. He might be kept on an even keel with medication, but psychotics have a bad habit of going off their meds.
I wouldn't be surprised to hear that he is paranoid and possibly schizophrenic. There's that sort of flavor to his behaviour, and to what he said.
I mean, what conversation, on a domestic flight would have a man shouting that he wanted to "kill all the Jews", before
the plane even hit the runway?
"Bismillah" is obviously of the text message set, and hyperactive, too. I'm sure that will change, after her cell phone is confiscated, after her laptop is brandished at her by her daddy as a weapon (with which to bludgeon her) and after she is circumsised.
Arafat wrote: "Let's win back the college campuses from the SJP, MSB and their ilk."
Bravo. It can be done.
If anyone has the time and inclination visit FSUnews.com and click on the viewpoint tab.
There is a poster there who goes by "Thirdeyeopen". He is very persistent and I find him to be clever too.
If anyone wants to counter his noise then have at it.
Good luck!
OHMIGOSH! Thanks for giving to us an insight into how things are in Britian. I knew it was pretty bad with the Islamic osmosis going on.
God be with you and other heros like you.
And may the Lord be with all of us here, and God save America!
Arafat brought a great idea and I hope he succeeds!!! Hesperado showed so much know-how. And she said that probably a part of Muslims are already doing something like that.
I was just considering; could it be that that is because Muslims do know what they are FOR and democratically minded people are primarily reacting to that and so are primarily busy with what they are AGAINST.
The book the Secret and many others warned us that it is important to be engaged primarily with one is FOR, more than with what one is is AGAINST. And of course most of us in the West, and visitors of JW, Islam Watch, FFI are FOR democratic rules, golden rule, human rights and freedom and that should be enough.
Although I do no longer believe that thoughts magically create reality and that giving attention to what you HATE attracts what that you hate even more, I still think it is important to set positive goals, then show how it is Islam and part of the Muslims who present huge obstacles for those positive goals.
bronish
Thank you for your support and for and for your prayers, which are much appreciated. As a famous British on-screen sergeant once said, "a prayer is as good as a bayonet on a day like this."
Our situation here in Britain is perilous but it's even worse in some other European countries. Germany, France, Belgium and the Netherlands have proportionally far higher Muslim populations than we do, and the numbers are spiralling upwards due to high birth rates and uncontrolled immigration. Within a few short years Europe as we know it will cease to exist.
The real threat to Britain is demographic. Some Brits will fight a Muslim takeover but the full mechanism of the state will be turned against them, including the police and armed forces, so they have little chance. The process which is currently under way is one in which the expanding Muslim population advances their own candidates within our already established political parties, constantly increasing the number of Muslim MPs within our Parliament. The British should realise that when a Muslim candidate is elected to a constituency seat, no matter which of the three mainstream political parties he belongs to, that constituency is no longer Labour or Conservative or Liberal Democrat. It is Muslim.
Ultimately the number of Muslim MPs will grow to the extent that they form a power block, voicing the demands of their Muslim constituents with irresistible force, insisting that the British people accept the Islamic agenda, and with the power to back it up by act of Parliament. Demographic conquest is a creeping, deadly, and deceptively peaceful process. Any sporadic outbreaks of confrontation with any form of resistance to this conquest will be suppressed along the way, using the apparatus of the state itself to destroy the resistance, and the mainstream media to characterise them as criminals. Thus will our people be forced into supine compliance.
Over the next few years, as the nations of Europe continue to transform, it will fall to you, the American people, to face some unpleasant truths. The manner of Western Europe's demise means that the complete material wealth and the entire resources of these countries will pass into Muslim hands, including their nuclear arsenals with their long-range targeting and intercontinental delivery systems intact and fully functioning. I doubt you need me to draw a diagram.
As European states become Islamic republics, the time will come when the American people will need to begin the debate about the necessity of an armed invasion of Europe. I can imagine the reaction of many Americans to this suggestion and I know enough American history to know how you hate sending your young people across the world to fight and die bailing other people out of their problems. And to do it in Europe again? Time and time again you've expended your blood to save us from our own short-sightedness and stupidity. No-one could blame you if you told us to take a hike. Yet once again you are our only hope. You are the most powerful nation on Earth and you are the ultimate bastion of democracy and Christian civilisation. The home populations of Europe will view such action as a war of liberation, the resistance will fight alongside you and our people will line the streets to welcome your soldiers. If this idea seems absurd now, I beg you not to discard it, for I believe the day will come when you will need to revisit it more seriously. Even if only from a standpoint of necessary self-defence.
Hard Rain,
There were four of us who worked for a while on putting together a Handbook -- I was by far the least productive, and the other three put in quite a bit of work. We began by setting out an overall structure of the Handbook -- it would consist largely of typical points put forth by the Islam Apologists, requiring from us counter-points. Each person chose one or more of the points for which to develop counter-points. I, however, rather dialed down my participation considerably after being dismayed by the immense time expenditure and frustration at finding and pinning down certain crucial aspects of the point I chose ("jihad does not mean war" or something like that).
While I admired the industry of the other participants, I found considerable fault in their drafts. I also had disagreements about the nature and format of the Handbook.
Even after all the work the other three did, they only managed to cover one very small portion of the overall task. It really would require money, to pay people for the incredible amounts of time that would be necessary. Furthermore, money would be necessary to pay experts in various fields to assist, for mere "civilians" (unless they are experts themselves, which would be unlikely) are probably not sufficient for some of the crucial investigations of historical texts. An ability to access scholarly publications would be one sine qua non.
While the magnitude of the project as I am sketching out here sounds gigantic, the Handbook that would result as a finished product must be of a manageable size -- it should not be an Encyclopedia: it should be as ruthlessly streamlined as is possible, while balancing that with inclusion of all relevant information to back up our counter-points (and our points against Islam).
Finally, this Handbook has to be definitive: it must become The Bible of all anti-Islam literature. If it doesn't, it will just join the bewilderingly copious and complex jungle of too much information we already have out there. For this to happen, it would thus require the official support of Luminaries of the still-inchoate Anti-Islam Movement.
P.S.: I don't think Spencer would be interested to help, or collaborate with, me in any project in which I would be more than peripherally involved (if at all); as he long ago took personally and as a substantive "attack" of his life's work my persistent criticisms -- always meant intellectually and not personally nor as any kind of "attack" -- of his methodology on my own blog.
Hesperado are you familiar with:
www.thereligionofpeace.com
I find it an excellent source of information when debating the stealth Jihadists on our college campuses.
Yes, Arafat, I've looked at TheReligionofPeace.com. It's a good website, if we measure good by the context of the wealth of information available on it; but that can be a flaw as well. I find the site is way too complicated with a super-abundance of information -- it's a jungle of facts and analyses critical of Islam (its one clear virtue is its statistics section on instances of jihad violence, though that still needs to be tightened up with regard to nailing down indisputable sources). We need to streamline our anti-Islam rhetoric and narrow it down to a precise science that can be repeated as a template anywhere, in the many different contexts of engaging Islam apologists. So, TheReligionofPeace.com is a good site considering our situation currently in the War of Ideas phase -- a situation of bewildering complexity, overlap, surplus, redundancy, imprecision of information; but in my estimation, it does not serve to address the problem of too much information, but rather serves to add to it.
Hesperado,
Thanks for the information/advice. Greatly appreciated.
Are there sites you would recommend highly?
Dear Arafat: I'm a little late weighing in but I really wanted to absorb all the thoughtful posts here by many of the JW readers who's words I read again and again. A question young truth seeker, have you tried to find some like-minded college students or people in your community to start a group? There are also a couple of TV Ministries such as John Hagee and John Ankerberg who may be able to help. Liberty University has two converts from Islam that have become pastors and Coral Ridge Ministries has done national shows about the dangers of Islam. I don't know if you are a person of faith but you will most likely find these as receptive venues.
Thank you Rico. I will keep your suggestions in mind. First I will wait to hear back from College Watch and then take it from there.
I appreciate ALL the constructive suggestions received!
Arafat,
Well, someone has already recommended going to campus-watch.org,s o I dont' need to! :)
may i point out that you don't want to spread yourself too thin. i think in this issue we all face that conundrum - that of the few fighting the swarm.
Instead of zipping around to all these different campuses, confine yourself to maybe five or six. Or ten. Whatever you can handle best. I suggest you keep taking on this Thirdeyeopen guy, and apart from debating just about Islam, make sure you emphasise the positive aspects of living in democracy, or in freedom, etc. Fighting for something, or building something, is way more morale-boosting than just fighting against something.
On the other hand, if you want to keep writing in all these student papers, then keep a log of your arguments, letters and opponents and publish a book about your experiences! Call it "My Fight to Stay Free in Print" Or "Fighting Religious Insanity: A Student's Battle for Truth on Campus".
Just a suggestion or two, you may think of a better title.
Have a look at Reut Cohen's blog for inspiration.
Make your (our?) campus fight a real statement in the world. i think many here and elsewhere would be very interested in the account of on-campus ideological tussles. (Get it published by Robert's publisher!). If Ibn Warraq can stay anonymous, I think you can too!
Cheers.
Oh - and get a dog, maybe.
Hi Arafat,
Arafat,
Well, someone has already recommended going to campus-watch.org,s o I dont' need to! :)
may i point out that you don't want to spread yourself too thin. i think in this issue we all face that conundrum - that of the few fighting the swarm.
Instead of zipping around to all these different campuses, confine yourself to maybe five or six. Or ten. Whatever you can handle best. I suggest you keep taking on this Thirdeyeopen guy, and apart from debating just about Islam, make sure you emphasise the positive aspects of living in democracy, or in freedom, etc. Fighting for something, or building something, is way more morale-boosting than just fighting against something.
On the other hand, if you want to keep writing in all these student papers, then keep a log of your arguments, letters and opponents and publish a book about your experiences! Call it "My Fight to Stay Free in Print" Or "Fighting Religious Insanity: A Student's Battle for Truth on Campus".
Just a suggestion or two, you may think of a better title.
Have a look at Reut Cohen's blog for inspiration.
Make your (our?) campus fight a real statement in the world. i think many here and elsewhere would be very interested in the account of on-campus ideological tussles. (Get it published by Robert's publisher!). If Ibn Warraq can stay anonymous, I think you can too!
Cheers.
Oh - and get a dog, maybe.
Postscript: I just popped into a Daily Bruin discussion.
I notice many of your links are to jihadwatch, which does not convince Islamists and their Islam-groupies.
May I suggest that when you write about the savagery of Islam etc, that you link often to images of Hizbollah and Hamas with their child-Nazi formations, and to youtube videos of hate-speechifying imams? There's a lot on youtube!
Face it, people are so used to thinking of Muslims as victims, it will take time for others to see them as thery really are.
One suggestion - your univeristy must hve a debating society - join it! You'll get practice in argumentation and have a social life too! ;)
LOL.
Social life? Me? I've got the world to save. Who has time for a social life? LOL.
Seriously though, hanks for the suggestions.
As to spreading myself too thin this is why I'm reaching out to see if there are people who are interested in joining. Or people who might know of a way to help create a structure that would serve the same purpose.
I will say I have gotten more efficient at doing this through trial and error. I've accumulated an "inventory" of articles that address some of the common stealth jihad themes. That said it's clear it is a daunting task to take it from here and to get to a place where it is truly organized and not just one lonely guy (!) fighting an endless stream of battles. A Sisyphean task without an organization, and maybe even Sisyphean (or Quixotic?) with support.
But given we are all here on Robert's site suggests some degree of concern about Islam's threat, and an interest in changing current trends vis-a-vis Islam. Seems to me we can all pick a battle on this front. Be it fighting Islam's growth in Europe, or doing what I'm doing closer to home. If our efforts helps one person, one hundred or a thousand then we will have made a difference. I doubt any of us will ever match Spencer's success in this arena, but it isn't about competition, it's about contributing as much as we can while still making sure the dog gets some attention too.
Arafat Quixote