Here is a particularly audacious exercise in deception from Sheikh Ahmed Hassoun, the Mufti of Syria. I say deception because his assertions are so flagrantly at variance with the Qur'an and Sunnah that he simply must know that what he is saying is false. And while it is remotely possible that he is attempting to work a loophole by saying that Muhammad never said these things while knowing that the Qur'an does say them, on the pretext that Allah, not Muhammad, wrote the Qur'an, there is enough in the Hadith to show that Muhammad said the same things as well. Detailed explanations below.
"Syria's Mufti: Islam commands us to protect Judaism," from Haaretz, January 19 (thanks to all who sent this in):
Syria's foremost Muslim leader declared on Tuesday that Islam commands its followers to protect Judaism, according to Army Radio."If the Prophet Mohammed had asked me to deem Christians or Jews heretics, I would have deemed Mohammed himself a heretic," Sheikh Ahmed Hassoun, the Mufti of Syria, was quoted as telling a delegation of American academics visiting Damascus.
"They indeed have disbelieved who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary." -- Qur'an 5:17
"They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary." -- Qur'an 5:72
"The Jews call 'Uzair [Ezra] a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!" -- Qur'an 9:30
Of course, that is the Qur'an, not Muhammad. So here's Muhammad:
"When the last moment of the life of Allah's Apostle came he started putting his 'Khamisa' on his face and when he felt hot and short of breath he took it off his face and said, "May Allah curse the Jews and Christians for they built the places of worship at the graves of their Prophets." The Prophet was warning (Muslims) of what those had done." -- Bukhari 1.8.427
"Once 'Umar was informed that a certain man sold alcohol. 'Umar said, 'May Allah curse him! Doesn't he know that Allah's Apostle said, "May Allah curse the Jews, for Allah had forbidden them to eat the fat of animals but they melted it and sold it."'" -- Bukhari 3.34.426
Hassoun may also be referring to the "true" Christians and Jews as envisioned by the Qur'an -- the portion of the People of the Book who accept Muhammad as a prophet and become Muslim: "If only the People of the Book had faith, it were best for them: among them are some who have faith, but most of them are perverted transgressors" -- Qur'an 3:110. In Islamic theology, the People of the Book who have faith are those who convert to Islam, while those who do not are the people who are known as Jews and Christians in the world today. So Hassoun could be slyly referring to these converts to Islam from Judaism and Christianity, saying that they are not heretics, while knowing that his hearers will understand him to be referring to the world's Jews and Christians.
Hassoun, the leader of Syria's majority Sunni Muslim community, also told the delegates that Islam was a religion of peace, adding: "If Mohammed had commanded us to kill people, I would have told him he was not a prophet."
"And slay them wherever ye find them..." -- Qur'an 2:191
"...and slay them wherever ye find them..." -- Qur'an 4:89
"...slay the idolaters wherever ye find them..." -- Qur'an 9:5
"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." -- Qur'an 9:29
"Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks..." -- Qur'an 47:4
And Muhammad:
"Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him." -- Bukhari 9.84.57
"During the last days there will appear some young foolish people who will say the best words but their faith will not go beyond their throats (i.e. they will have no faith) and will go out from (leave) their religion as an arrow goes out of the game. So, wherever you find them, kill them, for whoever kills them shall have reward on the Day of Resurrection." -- Bukhari 9.84.64
"I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform a that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah." -- Bukhari 1.2.24
And there is much more in this vein.
Religious wars were the result of politics infiltrating systems of faith, he said, asking:"Was Moses of Middle Eastern or European descent? Was Jesus a Protestant or a Catholic? Was Mohammed Shi'ite or Sunni?"
1. Middle Eastern. 2. Neither. 3. Neither.
And so?
According to the Mufti, the conflict between Israel and its Arabs neighbors has nothing to do with an Islamic war against Judaism.
That's not what Hamas or Hizballah or Islamic Jihad say. Has the Mufti ever strolled over to their Damascus offices and remonstrated with them?
"Before you got American citizenship, and I got Syrian citizenship, we were all brothers under the dome of God," he said.Jews had once lived in Syria peacefully and with fair treatment, he added, explaining that his own grandfather had a Jewish partner.
"Jews lived in Syria for years and they still have a role in Syrian society," he said.
As long as they knew their place as good submissive dhimmis.
And the chances of the lying Mufti being publicly put to his lie is nil.
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To do that would be insensitive and impolite. And also dangerous not only to the careers of the editors and reporters involving in exposing the lying mufti, but to their lives.
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This is the 6th Pillar of Islam, an undocumented but always active strategy, in action.
So there, he's not a prophet!
Looks like apostasy to me!
Wonder why they have to kill Rifqa Bary, but give this clown a pass?
OFF TOPIC:
JUST A REMINDER THAT GEERT WILDERS IS SCHEDULED TO GO ON TRIAL IN AROUND 15 HOURS FROM NOW ,JANUARY 20,2010.
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The Wilders trial is a show trial of the worst kind; every Dutchman should be ashamed of himself. It's multiculturalism run wild to the point of national suicide. The once great nation of Holland has debased itself.
This guy gets a pass because they know he is an, infidel whisperer.
If these visiting “Academics” lean left they are more than likely to swallow this typical mohamedan obfuscation replete with fabrications .
A factual response to the rhetorical questions posed by the enlightened mufti:
"Was Jesus a Protestant or a Catholic?
Neither! He was 100% Jewish. , a rabbi, full believer in Moses, whose teachings are the antithesis of the true murdering ideology of isalm.
Was Moses of Middle Eastern or European descent?
Neither he was 100% Hebrew, a liberator of Jews enslaved by the ancient Egyptians.
As to: Before you got American citizenship, and I got Syrian citizenship, we were all brothers under the dome of God,"
No, no, no. he should have stated before you got American citizenship, and I got Syrian.
sword wielding mohamedans invaded the Jewish homeland which included Christians and brutally
murdered many, subjugated them and robbed them of their land, building mosques over their sacred Temples.
The mental and psychological framwork supporting this evil creating, much injustice , suffering and death in the world is clearly islams book , the quran. Mohammedans have cursed themselves.
And I have a bridge for sale muffi...real cheap but built by jews.
“And while it is remotely possible that he is attempting to work a loophole by saying that Muhammad never said these things while knowing that the Qur'an does say them, on the pretext that Allah, not Muhammad, wrote the Qur'an, there is enough in the Hadith to show that Muhammad said the same things as well. Detailed explanations below.”
Or maybee the Mufti is speaking the scientific truth about the Qur´an, Muhammad, hadith, sira and the whole caboodle after reading the works of Wansbrough, Cook and Crone to impress the delegation of American academics visiting Damascus. The character of Muhammad is a manufactured myth, acording to the studies of those scolars:
Wansbrough caused a furor in the 1970s when his research on early Islamic manuscripts, including the analysis of the repeated use of monotheistic Judeo-Christian imagery found in the Qur'an led him to posit that the rise of Islam was a mutation of what was originally a Judeo-Christian sect trying to spread in Arab lands, rather than by simple cultural diffusion.
As time evolved the Judeo-Christian scriptures were adapted to an Arab perspective and mutated into what became the Qur'an which was developed over centuries with contributions from various Arab tribal sources and grew out of sectarian controversies.
Wansbrough's research suggests that a great deal of the traditional history of Islam appeared to be a fabrication of later generations seeking to forge and justify a unique religious identity. Within this context, the character of Muhammad could be seen as a manufactured myth created to provide the Arab tribes with their own Arab version of the Judeo-Christian prophets.
This truth is more than a loophole, it is the end of Islam as we know it. ;-)
Bravo, Robert!
According to the Mufti, the conflict between Israel and its Arabs neighbors has nothing to do with an Islamic war against Judaism."
Of course he would say that. Muslims are deeply worried that, as people in the Western world, on the receiving end of Muslim violence, aggression, and also non-violent but equally dangerous and sinister forms of Jihad,learn about the texts and tenets of Islam, they will, insensibly, come to re-think their view of the war being made by the Arabs and Muslims against Israel, the Lesser Jihad against Israel.
And as they begin to grasp the nature of Islam, they will inexorably come to understand several things.
To wit:
That the war against Israel is a Jihad, and the existence of the Infidel nation-state of Israel, on land once controlled by Muslims, must not, can not, be tolerated in the long run.
That the war against the Infidel nation-state of Israel cannot be lessened, much less brought to an end, by Israel's further surrender of territory, and shrinkage into the "lines of Asuchwitz" (as Abba Evan described them).
That any further reductions in Israel's tiny size -- a place scarcely to be made out on a world map -- will merely increase the belief, among Arabs and Muslims, that they can go in for the kill, and will increase the likelihood of open warfare.
That Israel, so reduced, may be able to hold on, just, but whether it does or not, the triumphalism that will be felt by the Arabs and Muslims can only increase to the extent that Israel approaches its final demise, and that triumphalism will naturally whet Arab and Muslim appetites elsewhere, but above all elsewhere, in the countries of Wesetern Europe.
It is this line of thinking, this understanding of Islam as explaining the Arab and Muslim war against Israrel, that the keenest Arabs and Muslims worry about. They hate it, for example, when Hamas and Fatah are described as the Fast Jihadists and the Slow Jihadists, differing only in matters of tactics and timing. They worry about the Western world coming to its senses too soon, and too comprehensively, about Islam.
That is what lies behind the nonsense and lies of the Mufti of Syria, to an audience of visiting Infidels whom, he is betting, will not do any study of their own, but be charmed by the deep sincerity of his gaze, and those stirring words -- he wouldn't fool us, would he? -- given to a delegation of "American academics" --- allowing one to think he would stand stoutly to protect Jews, or at least Judaism, and Christians, or at least Christianity.
Essentially Sheikh Ahmad Hassoun, Mufti of Syria, was giving an intelligence test. He despises those American academics, and thinks they are too stupid to find out for themselves what the texts, tenets, attitudes, atmospherics of Islam really are. He expects them to remain ignorant of 1400 years of history of Muslim conquest, and of the subjugation of non-Muslims, and of the treatment of those who, as Christians and Jews, were allowed to live (compare what happened to 60-70 million Hindus) but only under conditions of deliberate, systematic degradation, humiliation and, above all, permanent physical insecurity, sometimes greater and sometimes lesser, depending on the ruler.
He thinks they will be, and remain, gullible.
I think that some, or perhaps many of them, will at this point prove him wrong, and pass that intelligence test, and slough off his lies, and be even more wary than they were before.
I hope my faith in the good sense and intelligence of those American academics proves correct, and that the contempt secretly shown them by the Mufti of Syria turns out to be ill-founded.
We'll see.
Is this the same Sheikh Ahmed Hassoun who was permitted to speak at the EU parliament in Strassbourg?
Grand Mufti of Syria: a single civilisation unites us all
A true taqiyya slimeball!
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?type=IM-PRESS&reference=20080111IPR18241&language=EN
This is also the same 'grand mufti' who scared the EUro dhimwits out of their wits over Wilders film FITNA:
Euro-dhimmies ban showing of FITNA
http://sheikyermami.com/2008/12/17/euro-dhimmies-ban-showing-of-fitna/
Syria’s Grand Mufti warns EU-Dhimmi’s to restrict Free Speech. Or else…
http://sheikyermami.com/2008/01/16/syrias-grand-mufti-warns-eu-dhimmis-to-restrict-free-speech/
The Big Lie.
While I do not know the man, the Mufti of Syria, it stands to reason, presumably has a strong command of Islamic theology. The statements here could be understood as nothing particularly notable, depending upon the precise interpretive details intended by the speaker. But, unfortunately, Jihad Watch seems to want to engage in nonsensical, irresponsible demagoguery at is first order of priority here.
If indeed the word 'heretic' was used, that is commonly, usually reserved to refer to those in ones own faith [Islam in this case] who have departed from normative standard beliefs and fallen into grave error, not to refer to those of a different faith. So it should not be surprising that a Muslim would not consider adherents of other religions as heretics, and, I would think, is an assertion to be commended in general. And I think this is no small matter, as it is why Jews, Christians and Zoroastrians have some basic minority rights in Iran's Islamic theocracy, while the Bahais are treated atrociously, as they are considered Islamic heretics, not non-Muslims.
As for not 'killing' it could well be that the Mufti meant that one cannot take a life without serious, just cause. And proof-texting with Quran snippets that don't appear to seek to establish any kind of interpretive context as would be commonly held today by what appears to be mainstream orthodoxy, of course, does nothing to dispel the accuracy of what he may well have meant with what he was saying.
By the way, where have Hamas or Hezbollah ever officially declared as organizations that Judaism is to be expunged completely off the face of the earth? Was that before or after Hezbollah representatives agreed with other Lebanese leaders to approve renovations for the main synagogue in central Beirut last year?
I'm afraid in addition to Logic 101, JW needs to add Theology 101 to the staff's refresher curriculum. You might also consider Ethics 101 at some point further on down the line.
Religious wars were the result of politics infiltrating systems of faith, he said, asking:
"Was Moses of Middle Eastern or European descent? Was Jesus a Protestant or a Catholic? Was Mohammed Shi'ite or Sunni?"
1. Middle Eastern. 2. Neither. 3. Neither.
And so?
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So, this: there is the idea—entirely false—that it was only the arrival of Ashkenazi (European) Jews in Israel that started the trouble. That Jews were 'well-treated' in the Ottoman Empire, but that European Jews brought "Western imperialism" with them, and thus illegitimately founded the state of Israel.
Given Israel's status as both a democracy and a beleaguered nation with no territorial designs on their neighbors render the claim of "imperialism" absurd, but that hasn't stopped Muslims from making it.
more:
Jews had once lived in Syria peacefully and with fair treatment, he added, explaining that his own grandfather had a Jewish partner.
"Jews lived in Syria for years and they still have a role in Syrian society," he said.
As long as they knew their place as good submissive dhimmis.
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Exactly so.
Another intellectually vacuous post by the nasty Jew-hating schmuck fairuzfan who posts:
"By the way, where have Hamas or Hezbollah ever officially declared as organizations that Judaism is to be expunged completely off the face of the earth?"
Well, well, well. Come to think of it -- that's a hell of a relief!
The thugs of hamas and hezbollah are MAYBE, just maybe, willing to leave the religion of Judaism alone even while they go about exterminating the Jewish state, its army, infrasctructure and 90% (or more) of its inhabitants.
Now ain't that a relief?
By some mysterious means, even after the most painstaking review by the foremost authorities and experts, based on the most perfect ethical standards and subject to the most rigorous logic ... the mohammedans' neighbors always end up getting killed.
It would seem impossible. But those brute physical facts just don't seem to budge an inch.
I wonder how that happens.
In other words, Yankel, I'm correct, once, that is, we get past your nasty jargon. And why is it we never see any kind of detailed, thoughtful, analytical, systematic refutation ever coming from you? Anybody who can emit such artful stupidities, inanities, and obscenities should at some point ast least be able to construct a rudimentary syllogism, shouldn't he?
@fairuzfan
I wouldn't cast my pearls to a swine like you. "Detailed, thoughtful, analytical, systematic refutation" would be lost on a nasty anti-semite and muhammadan ass-kisser like you.
Anyone can see that you have the intellectual depth of a 7-year-old.
You're a joke, but a nasty one.
If I were near you, I would spit in your face and wait for your reaction. That's the only justice with a creepy bastard like you.
Oaths and treaties with Muhammedans:
Bukhari:V7B67N427 “The Prophet said, ‘If I take an oath and later find something else better than that, then I do what is better and expiate my oath.’”, Qur’an 9:3 “Allah and His Messenger dissolve obligations.”, Qur’an 66:2 “Allah has already sanctioned for you the dissolution of your vows.”, Bukhari:V4B52N268 “Allah’s Apostle said, ‘War is deceit.’”, Ishaq:519 “Having got Muhammad’s permission, he said, ‘I must tell lies.’ The Apostle said, ‘Tell them.’”, Ishaq:323 “I am the best of plotters. I deceived them with My guile so that I delivered you from them.”, Ishaq:442 “By Muhammad’s order we beguiled them.”
The honour of Islam lies in insulting kufr and kafirs. One who respects the kafirs dishonours the Muslims… The real purpose of levying jiziya on them is to humiliate them to such an extent that they may not be able to dress well and to live in grandeur. They should constantly remain terrified and trembling. It is intended to hold them under contempt and to uphold the honour and might of Islam.–
Sufi saint Ahmad Sirhindi (1564-1624), letter #163
“If politeness and ceremony be observed toward Mohammedans, they imagine they are feared and become arrogant; but in showing severity and rudeness, they are impressed with fear and respect, and they are supple and manageable.”
–North China Herald,1867