...because only men are allowed to pray there. Sharia Alert from...Washington, DC: "Muslim Women Protest Policies At Islamic Center Of Washington," by Kavitha Cardoza for WAMU.org, February 22 (thanks to Weasel Zippers):
Some women who protested at the Islamic Center of Washington, wanting to be able to worship in the main prayer hall with their male counterparts, were asked to leave by the police. But they say their struggle will continue.Carpets with intricate designs cover the floors of the main prayer hall and turquoise tiles line the walls. But the source of contention is a small room created with seven foot high wooden walls. Jannah B'int Hannah describes how she feels in there where she cannot see the imam, or leader of the mosque, speak.
"Boxed in, stifling, suffocating and totally a second class citizen," says Hannah.
Over the weekend, Hannah and approximately 20 other women prayed in the main hall, but D.C. police were called. They asked them to leave or be arrested....
"Some women who protested at the Islamic Center of Washington, wanting to be able to worship in the main prayer hall with their male counterparts..."
How tragicomic is that: Muslim women fighting to be able to worship the same monster that is enslaving them? More than tragicomic: in feeding that monster and doing their part to aggrandize its demographic influence in our world, dangerous for all non-Muslims.
Whahahaha! Oh my Islam and Mohammedans truly pathetic. A barbaric and violent Ideology, treacherous to the core. I am sure the apologists and Islamists will come up with a misleading and convoluted story.
Hannah complained that she was, "Boxed in, stifling, suffocating and totally a second class citizen,".
But that's the deal for women in Islam, surely she knew that when she joined?
She could alwys complain to the imam that it "infringes her constitutional rights to freedom of religion" - Like that will do her any good. Perhaps it's a case that CAIR could take up?
If it's so "offensive" to women, they could always leave Islam and then get all their men to do likewise.
The women should have let themselves be arrested. Interesting results would have followed.
In Bill Maher's hilarious comedy Religulous, he lampoons all religions, but one of the scenes (deleted) shows a dour Moslem man in a burqa shop tell him women are more equal to men in Islamic society than the West. So these women in complaining in their subservient treatment at the mosque must not have seen Maher's funny film. Ah, but there is no humor in Islam. So these women are screwed. The nation's capitol, no less.
Gosh, why would I want to belong to a religion like that, peaceful or otherwise?
The police did the right thing, of course, because they were being disruptive according to the "landlord"/"owner" of the Islamic Center, which is a private organization. Disruptors should be not allowed on the property if they're disrupting.
However, the police should feel galled, and should make a statement to the press, that though they did their civic duty, they were flabbergasted to learn that the sexes were being isolated, and that they do not condone the practice.
During the pre-civil rights era, there were police that were asked to remove blacks from this place or that, as "disruptors", who did so, not because they believe the blacks were disruptive in any way, but because it was their job to follow the law.
Those police should voice their moral objections to that act.
However, no one can tell you how to worship. The only "solution" would be for those women to go pray somewhere else, leave the "faith", make their own prayer hall, join a more liberal mosque (unicorn), etc.
Hate to say it, but this leaves me of two minds. Ipso Facto, the poster, once famously said: "Pussy is the weak link in islam."
He was right and here we see it.
Problem is, will we have reformed masjids? Reformed islam? Will there come to be, a la reformed and reconstructionist synagogues, mosques where the muhammadan faithful (but liberated, mind you!) kibbutz and nosh and hopefully marry their children?
What about that KORAN?
Expect a DEAFENING silence from women's groups.
Hey Gloria Allred - here's one for you!!
Oh, that's right, you're too busy pretending to give a rip about one of Tiger's old girlfriends to actually do something that matters and doesn't have a huge payday attached.
How did the police, upon arrival, decide that they had the jurisdiction to be the enforcers of a "religous" law?
They are not servants of any faith.
Or the power to be twisted for upholding such a segregationist dogma.
Especially one that is inherently Unconstitutional.
Would cops be called to eject a person from a Catholic church if they were noticing texting during a dull sermon?
When did we get Religious Police?
There are so many reasons for me to think that jihad watch is godsend.Apart from being the only source of truth about the ideological underpinnings of jihad,it has helped me get an idea of how fuzzy and and interchangeable the definitions of left and right have become.The anti christian and recently antisemites also are "left",people talking of women's rights and protection of free speech and democracy are "far right",windfall of such epithets from the popular press has visibly impaired public understanding of issues.Jihad watch is the only lie filter in the public domain.
God bless jihad watch.
I must confess that I'm not to worried about whether Muslim women can pray in the front of the mosque or not. Such items are of little concern to me. These inter-Muslim squabbles are meaningless in the entire scheme of things. The fact that such a mosque exists in Washington DC and is a fount for Islamic supremacy should be what catches our attention.
wow
what would they have been arrested for?
would the court then have given a punishment of flogging?
I'm confused....
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When did we get Religious Police - good question!
Who called the police? The men? The imam?
A 911 call because (god forbid) women were not doing as they were told. Jeez, I hope no time was wasted in the police getting there. We know what unruly, disruptive women can be like if no police are called.
morons...
I like the statments by Kinneddar exposesithlords above. The women shoul dmake a point of doing the same thing again and let the DC cops arrest them for it. I want to the MSM push the court case that comes out of an arrest like that under the proverbial carpet. Any court case might make it to the MSM and possibly wake up the rest of America. It's time to ban all mosques and their associated terroristic imans and deport all of them.
CC
A woman is not necessarily a muslimah, even if she is a self-identified muslim.
To be a muslimah, you have to enter that "boxed in, stifling, suffocating" chamber and STFU! Remember islam means submission!
A self-identified female muslim that breaks the OMERTA and complains about the mosque making here a "totally second class citizen" is not a muslimah. She's ready to be scourged.
These ladies are past the "denial stage," but having serious problems reaching the "submission stage."
They'll never make it.
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four stages of islam: 1-denial 2-submission 3-Orwellian Double-Think 4-anger
Muslim men having a problem with Muslim women demanding equal status?
So brave of these women to complain about segregation when a Saudi cleric just issued a Fatwa to EXECUTE people who push for desegregation!
I wonder if these women were even aware of the Fatwa? A
And you have to wonder how many of their husbands decided to use verse 4:34 when they got home...
"Boxed in, stifling, suffocating and totally a second class citizen," says Hannah.
She should try a "Multi-Religion Prayer Room" at Singapore Airport. A tiny curtained-off area in the back corner for buckets, stacked chairs, cleaning gear - and veiled women. I know, I looked.
Just inside the main entrance, this sign:
"Passengers of any religion may use this room for prayer and meditation.
Please remove footwear before entering the prayer and wash area."
Too daunting for most dhimmis to enter, they depart without praying, leaving it for the brothers and sisters to perform the wudhu that they do so well.
Well, Jannah bint Hannah, why don't you and your "sisters" just leave Islam altogether, and convert to Christianity? Almost any denomination would be happy to accept you. You could pray and sing, stand and sit and kneel right alongside the men. You could sing in the choir (if you have a good voice), and shake the minister's hand on the way out. In some cases you could even attend a service with a woman minister. Try it, you'll like it.
As it is, your situation is that of lepers in medieval Europe. They were not allowed into the church for services, for fear that this would spread their disease. But a "lepers' hole" was build into the wall near the pulpit, and lepers could gather outside, and hear the service through the hole.
Rosa Parks in a burqa? Give 'em Gehennah, Hannah!
What's the percentage of Islam-critical content in Bill Maher's Religulous, compared with Christian-critical and Other-Religions-Critical content?
Secondly, what is the qualitative substance and presentation of the various contents?
I'd say one could apportion Maher's film thusly:
Islam-critical content: 5%
Christianity-critical content: 80%
Other Religions-critical content: 15%.
Such an apportionment demonstrates the bankruptcy (if not the smirkingly treasonous behavior) of Maher. Even reversing the apportionment would not save Maher, for the only rational apportionment is 99% Islam.
The fact that a Battle of Tours can have enjoyed it shows just how deeply PC MC has penetrated the hearts and minds of Westerners.
"But they say their struggle will continue."
Girls, this may be the best case for going jihad on your menfolk that I've ever run into. And I don't mean the inner kind. ; ) (Super glue and ding dongs are coming to mind.)
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Aduhl, "hey Mikail, the women are in the mosque praying...what do we do?"
Mikail, "quick call the police...we'll deal with women when we get them home!"
Perhaps that's true, But Maher, to his credit, while he is against all religions, has no use for Islam in particular, and has said so in no uncertain terms on many occasions.
MBR - have you tried going in and dancing around saying you were of a voodoo religion?
I wonder what the airline would do? Given its a country that routinely caves to islamists, you'd probably be arrested.
"Boxed in, stifling, suffocating and totally a second class citizen," says Hannah.
Well. Welcome to the world of Islam.
The fact remains, American law also allows a religious organization to engage in this sort of discrimination on its private property.
DC police enforce Sharia, eject women from main prayer hall in mosque
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That anyone in the West—especially our military or police—should be *enforcing Shari'ah* is horrifying. This is turning D.C.'s finest into an arm of the Mutawa—the "religious police".
More Western enforcement—this time corporate—of Shari'ah gender apartheid, this from Saudi Arabia.
Colbert I. King quotes an American official who accuses Western companies of complicity in Saudi Arabia's sexual apartheid:
One of the (still) untold stories, however, is the cooperation of U.S. and other Western companies in enforcing sexual apartheid in Saudi Arabia. McDonald's, Pizza Hut, Starbucks, and other U.S. firms, for instance, maintain strictly segregated eating zones in their restaurants. The men's sections are typically lavish, comfortable and up to Western standards, whereas the women's or families' sections are often run-down, neglected and, in the case of Starbucks, have no seats. Worse, these firms will bar entrance to Western women who show up without their husbands. My wife and other [U.S. government affiliated] women were regularly forbidden entrance to the local McDonald's unless there was a man with them."
I don't know that the police were required to get involved. In similar cases of disputes within an organization over the right to use property the police often tell the parties to go to court. I wonder if the imam showed the cops documents to prove that women may not use the main prayer hall. I wonder what such a document would say. The article doesn't mention whether the women were members of the mosque. That would probably be relevant.
"Boxed in, stifling, suffocating and totally a second class citizen," says Hannah.
Just thank allah you're not a dhimmi. That would be much worse...
Probably the best known proponent of mixed-gender prayer in mosques has been Asra Nomani.
How are her efforts going? This, from Wikipedia:
Her efforts to allow women to lead mixed-gender prayer...have been rebuffed by the mainstream Muslim community—no mosques or traditional Muslim women's organizations have participated in her mixed-gender prayers; her first prayer event was held at New York's Episcopal Cathedral of Saint John the Divine and the second (at Brandeis University) consisted of just six individuals including herself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asra_Nomani
So—her efforts at mixed-gender Muslim prayer were held at *a Jewish college* and at *an Episcopal church*.
In addition, of course, Nomani receives death threats on a regular basis.
I'm not sure the police had any latitude in the matter. The mosque was a privately-owned building and organization which has the right to limit membership and visitation rights. I think the police would similarly have to remove a group of Muslims getting out prayer mats at a Bar Mitzva or a bunch of guys trying to get into a Spa Lady fitness club.
But the protesters dropped the ball. They really should have let themselves be arrested and try to drag a few reluctant MSM lenses off Tiger's 72 girlfriends. Although a lot of the women were probably more frightened of 4:34 than the DC courts.
what would they have been arrested for?...
Trespassing.
would the court then have given a punishment of flogging?...
No. They would prob get a warning or possibly a fine.
It is legal to have a club with "No girls allowed". It is legal to bar entrance to your private club on any basis, even a stupid misogynist basis, whatsoever. If the owner asks you to leave you must leave.
nabi ZK (pbum)
Virgil,
You're right, Washington, DC, for God's sake!
Nothing's sacred anymore.
But I wanted to throw-in that I think one way to beat 'em is to get them fighting amongst themselves. I like the idea of them killing more of each other & less of us. They could solve the whole problem by just kiiling each other off entirely...
"Boxed in, stifling, suffocating and totally a second class citizen"
Now she gets it. FInally the good Muslima has recognised her position in Islam.
Virgil - you said "The fact that such a mosque exists in Washington DC and is a fount for Islamic supremacy should be what catches our attention."
Yup.
Make a note, everyone.
"The Islamic Centre of Washington".
Has it featured in the news on any other occasion?
Keep an eye on it.
apparently it is a crime for a Muslim woman to pray in a Muslim mosque...
Islam_Macht_Frei,
"Perhaps that's true, But Maher, to his credit, while he is against all religions, has no use for Islam in particular, and has said so in no uncertain terms on many occasions."
Again, quantity and quality matter.
Quantity: over the years into the present, Maher has been mocking, sneering at, criticizing and condemning Christians and Christianity by at least 100 to 1 compared with Islam.
Quality: he ignores the screaming disparity in expressions, behavior and texts between the two religions.
To lump Religions together and harp on and on about how they are all irrational, while ignoring the mountain of grotesquely ghoulish ultra-violent screamingly fanatical behavior of Muslims today and for 1400 years, is supremely idiotic -- and worse, for a person in his influential position, virtually treasonous.
I cannot even see why the police were called! This was an internal RELIGIOUS affair. If the women were infidels (Jew, Baptist, etc.), and came directly off the street, I can see the them getting evicted for causing a commotion.
Our American police forces are NOT meant to be RELIGIOUS POLICE!
They called the police. Just more confirmation that the culture of Islam is afraid of women.
For historical reference, the Islamic Center of Washington was the locale of remarks made by President Bush on September 17, 2001 the "Islam is Peace."
Included in those remarks were these about Islamic women: "some don't want to go about their ordinary daily routines because, by wearing cover, they're afraid they'll be intimidated."
I wonder what he would say about female intimidation by male Muslims in the very mosque from which he delivered his remarks?
Complete text of Bush remarks: http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/gwbush911islamispeace.htm
This is the same mosque that the President Bush went to right after the 9/11 Islamic Jihad attack on New York. This is where the POTUS succumbed to dihmmitude. He in effect said Islam is Peace and that it was hijacked by lone confused and retarded youths with lots of money.
If these muslimas were smart, and very brave, they would start up a "women only" mosque, with a female imam, if there is such a thing, and worship as they please.
Private Property, Private Organization, No Laws Broken. Am I missing something here?
What is wrong with ANY religion having rules about who and how worship is conducted?
These women joined the mosque. If they want a different way to worship they need to find or form a mosque that caters to their demands.
I do not think anyone here would like their church to have to allow any and all forms of dissent during worship.
Is it also ok for someone to go to Mass wearing shorts and no shirt or shoes?
Can I go to Synagogue wearing a shirt that says "Hitler wasn't so bad" and not expect the police to support the Rabbi's request for me to leave or remove it?
As long as no laws are broken and no one is forced to attend, what goes on in a church, temple or mosque is the business of the members, not outsiders of any stripe.
Before anyone makes a fool of themselves by assuming I am pro-sharia please read these:
http://hereticscrusade.blogspot.com/2009/12/tears-and-fears-made-love-and-glory.html
http://hereticscrusade.blogspot.com/2009/11/through-eyes-of-msulimah-poem.html
I think that the Mosque in question is near Woodrow Wilson's house.
I was visiting Woodrow Wilson's house last year (I hate Woodrow Wilson) with my girlfriend (at the time) and while we were waiting for it to open an Iman came out and just started giving me a hostile stare.
We stood there for a few minutes staring each other down. It was as if he thought he owned the street and an infidel was invading his territory (okay, he may have a point on the infidel thing). My girlfriend thought the Iman was mentally deranged. I agreed. It is called Islam.
MBR, re your comment about the meditation/prayer room Singapore airport: American airports purposely make their lounge chairs uncomfortable enough to prevent lying down or sleeping, although foreign airports often have very nice chaisse lounches to spread out on (e.g. esp., Frankfurt). However, I've discovered that many (perhaps most) airports have a meditation/prayer room tucked away somewhere on an upper floor, and they are typically uninhabited, with chairs that are usually comfortable enough to lie down on to sleep. Most of them are "multifaith" but in the Denver airport there are two that are side-by-side, one that is multifaith, and the other one that has signs to remove one's shoes before entering, and is obviously for Muslims only. Given the number of Somali workers in the Minneapolis airport, I would suspect they have their own prayer room, as well. In fact, given the very large number of Somali airport workers in many airports, I would not be surprised if separate prayer rooms for Muslims is fairly common.
I have heard public announcements in several European airports reminding Muslims that their prayer time is approaching, and the local prayer room can be found on Concourse D, or wherever.
Dumbledore's Army wrote:
Make a note, everyone.
"The Islamic Centre of Washington".
Has it featured in the news on any other occasion?
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Yes it has, DDA-and they've dragged American law enforcement into it before, as well.
I'm not sure *what the Hell* happened here, exactly—either it was an attempt-hardly unprecedented—of a Saudi takeover of the Islamic Center, or the IC was stockpiling weapons in its mosque—again, hardly unprecedented. Perhaps it was both.
Here's the odd account on the Islamic Center's own site. This seems to raise more questions than it answers-all of them disturbing:
"The Islamic Center—what happened?"
http://www.islamiccenterdc.com/whathappened.htm
By the way, these women are especially unlikely to make much headway if—as it appears—the mosque is now *Saudi run*.
Also, check out the comments section of the article above—especially where one Muslim poster accuses the Wahabbis of Kufr!
"To lump Religions together and harp on and on about how they are all irrational, while ignoring the mountain of grotesquely ghoulish ultra-violent screamingly fanatical behavior of Muslims today and for 1400 years, is supremely idiotic -- and worse, for a person in his influential position, virtually treasonous."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyYZulIxNCE
Menstruating women are prohibited from entering mosques.
Next time, one of the women clad in a burka should have a sign hung round her neck,
"Menstruating Women Present" and see what happens.
Jew Lover
/OT - This modified Frank Sinatra song should go viral and be played in airports worldwide.
http://www.animatronics.org/strangers/strangers.htm
Menstruating women are prohibited from entering mosques.
Next time, one of the women clad in a burka should have a sign hung round her neck, "Menstruating Women Present" and see what happens.
That is almost as funny as Rosie O'Donnell being forced
to wear a jilbab with a sign around her neck saying:
"Menstruating woman here: Please give way.."
Correct. I once belonged to a modern orthodox synagogue in which women were rarely allowed to enter the main sanctuary. They had a small section to the side in which they prayed quietly. They are not allowed to read from the Torah scroll or to lead public prayers. If a group of feminists had entered the synagogue and demanded this change, I am sure the police would have removed them if called. Recently, there was a huge outburst at Jerusalem's Western Wall because some woman tried to conduct a Torah reading on the woman's side of the wall.The ladies were actually spat upon and dragged away by the police, who charged them for a crime.
There was also a Presbyterian church down the street from me in a Texas city in which the pastor and elders made a public announcement that no self-identified homosexual would be allowed to attend the church.
Religious organizations regularly discriminate against their own members in terms of membership laws, acceptable behavior, etc.
There are also clubs in which members of certain races, ethnicities, and religions are still given the message that they are not welcome.
American courts have upheld the right of private organizations to do this.
You stated:
"Before anyone makes a fool of themselves by assuming I am pro-sharia ..."
You are right about that. This can be a hazardous place in which to speak one's mind.
One can be accused of all sorts of "heresies" for just speaking one's mind.
Or Bill Maher..being forced to wear a hijab with
a sign around his neck saying:
"Menstruating woman here: Please give way.."
NOW THAT WOULD BE FUNNY !!
Bill Maher's anti-religious fascism is itself a religion
in the same way that Stalin and Mao emphatically believed in their own ideology to the exclusion of others. Maher is no different since he believes religion by definition is
wrong and thus there are no adherents that could possibly be tolerant in his extremist view. He is no different
from a Muslim Imam or Marxist firebrand in that regard.
Or worse, Maher (as I suspect) is a hypocrite that loves
to be a contrarian and loves the camera and plays the perverse card for attention which he constantly craves.
I suspect Maher is as much (if not more) a cynical and manipulative Nihilist than simply a rabid Atheist.
Read & Weep.
http://www.islamiccenterdc.com/whathappened.htm
Sorry, gang, but these Muslim men have my sympathy and support--even though I belong to a Christian tradition in which men and women sit together (usually in family groupings).
What if, under the mis-guidance of radical feminists or just the desire to nag their husbands between 10:30 AM and noon on a Sunday, a bunch of Mennonite women invaded the men's side of the church in the middle of worship? Or, on a Shabbes, a bunch of Orthodox Jewish women storm out of the balconies into the main floor where the men are davening away--and possibly very scrupulous about coming into contact with a woman who might be niddah? Or, to make a feminist point, a woman lays the palm of her hand on the shaven head of a Theravada Buddhist monk (something highly polluting in that tradition)?
Given the violence of Muslim conflicts and that countries like Egypt and the Gulf states lead the world in numbers of battered husbands, I'm not surprised that the men in the mosque called the cops.
My guess is that there is something in the doctrine and discipline of the kind of Sunnite Islam represented by the Islamic Center of Greater Washington (if they're the same folk on Massachusetts Avenue that I think they are) which demands that men and women worship separately. If that doesn't sit well with a part of the congregation and they want a mosque where the men and women are together, there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING IN THESE FIRST AMENDMENT-PROTECTED, GOD-BLESSED UNITED STATES OF AMERICA (I'm trying to bellow and get puffy and red-faced in writing) to stop them from leaving their current affiliation and organizing and building a mosque more in tune with their own beliefs.
I'll go a step further. If these ladies want a religion in which women sit with their menfolk, they are cordially invited to take an inquirers' class at some Presbyterian Church in America, Associate Reformed Presbyterian Church, United Reformed Church in North America, or similar conservative Calvinist denomination.
I've worshiped with Christians of other denominations who say that the women have to sit on one side of the church and the men on another. While I'd rather sit next to my wife, I'm not going to insult and step on people who are being hospitable to me in the midst of their worship service. And, when something in the other guy's church really cuts across my grain (bowing to a picture or statue, for instance), I politely decline the invitation.
I strongly condemn Muslim assaults on Christians, invasions and desecrations of churches, and other such injustices. It's one reason why I like this website. But, I'm still enough of a Confucian to believe that we shouldn't hurt others with that which pains ourselves--and, as a Christian, I believe in doing unto others as I would have them do unto me. Hence, if Muslim feminists don't like the current rules at the Islamic Center of Washington DC, they ought to find or make some other place where they'd be more at home. I promise I won't be a potential convert, but they will have my respect instead of my disgust.
That is something that needs a good investivative reporter to look into.
I also noticed at LAX that almost all of the parking and traffic employees seemed to be from the same not quite Arab-looking, not quite black foreign born folk. And all the women dressed to moderate Islamic norms.
How does ANY foreign ethnic group come to dominate airport employment given the security issues?
Can you Spell PC children?
http://hereticscrusade.blogspot.com/2009/11/how-pc-can-you-get.html
Knew You Could.
They have neither my sympathy nor my support. This barbaric ideology has a 1388 year history of conquest and subjugation. Our First Amendment is cherished by our citizens - and often misunderstood. I am certain that our founders did not envision it being used to support this violent, misogynistic perversion of faith.
Islam is an affront to God. An abomination.
Good point! Or any other religion, or find a mosque that does not enforce such things.
As I read the oh-so-delighted-to-feel-outrage comments here I keep visualizing a hippy in the 60's, smelly with hair everywhere, walking into these offend folks' church sans shoes and shirt and talking during services. I picture the Minister making a futile attempt to explain the church's etiquette to them while they mock his "authoritarian interferance in their excercise of freedom of religion." Then I picture the ministe summoned police asking them to please leave or face arrest.
What I do not see is anyone of the authors of the DELIGHTEDLY offended comments having a problem with that scenario.
It is hard enough convincing the unconvinced of the realites of Islam; for authoritarians-in-conservative-clothing to take competely biased and prejudiced stands raises the bar.
How about applying a little concept called equality under the law? Some of the people here seem like the gun control lobby, they care not for enforcing the LAW, they just want their way enforced regardless of the law.
Bottom line: if you treat other religions more strictly than your own, avoiding hypocrisy is almost impossible.
skevin -
From your link, IC says "Muslims have a God-given right to enter the masjid (the Islamic Center, 2551 Massachuset Avenue) without any conditions or stipulations."
LOL! I guess that doesn't include the women!
Wow...I love this website just found out about it!
Anywhoo...these women having nowhere else to go now try to get help on our law system...what a joke! The more and more I find out about these muslims the more I feel disgusted by their religion...
Wow...I love this website just found out about it!
The more and more I find out about these muslims the more I feel disgusted by their religion..."
I believe you have arrived at the correct website!
Welcome, Hamilton.
Well it's a nice little Catch-22. The women's U.S. Constitutional rights are subordinated to the rights, real or imagined, of Mo's Worship-the-Penis-Club. If Mr. Whiney-pants doesn't get his way regarding women not being allowed to worship, he will call the cops. If the women want to leave and start their own religion they are apostates and liable to be executed. If the women decide to withhold sex in order to pressure hubby to let them have their way, they are considered disobedient and non-cooperative and subject to beatings or other unpleasant interactions with said insecure Muslim males. All in all I'd say Islam sucks, especially for women and the best thing to do would be to leave their husbands, leave the religion and take a firearms training course while stockpiling guns and ammunition. Cowards can be trained, just like Pavlov's dog.
Well, that's wierd. The guy's nic up above was "Hamilton Neto" when I posted, and now he's "Hugo Carao" ? Whaat?
"All in all I'd say Islam sucks"
So true, so incredibly 100% true. No one here would disagree with that sentiment, Isabella - excepting, of course, the Brainwashed Mo's, yom and humza.
I enjoy this little gem from Kemal Ataturk:
“Islam is an absurd theology of an immoral Bedouin, a rotting corpse which poisons our lives."
You gotta love that "immoral Bedouin!"
Heretics crusade wrote (via twitter)
"Bottom line: if you treat other religions more strictly than your own, avoiding hypocrisy is almost impossible."
"Heretic's Crusade" is a semi-regular poster here. Unfortunately for him, and based on his comment quoted above, he is simply another atheist, who by extension, and explicitly based on his comment quoted above, is another in a long line of non-believers who likes to try to toe the religious moral equivalence line, and pose it as an argument.
He fails, as do all religious moral equivilence argument commenters here on JW. This conclusion is quite simple. JW neither condones nor endorses any type of religious ideology. JW merely discusses one particular ideology....Islam.....and continues to comment on that.
I am wholly convinced at this point, that efforts by the likes of "Heretic's Crusade" and also by community members like "Jim Foster" are here intentionally for the sole reason to obfuscate the discussion about Islam, and try to turn the discussion, and every informational thread, into a referendum against any and all deists and any organized religion.
"Heretic's Crusade" has obviously mastered that skill to continue to post with impunity. Jim Foster has not yet shown that skill. I have read Heretic's blog...it is an absolute bore in my estimation, but that is simply my opinion.
By the way, and to both "Jim" and "Heretic's", have you ever stopped to think for a second how Hugh Fitzgerald, a harsh critic of Islam, a self-professed atheist, and a truly intelligent and enlightened man, never falls for the same religious moral equivalence trap that you two seemingly and endlessly do? You should.
Intentional or out of ignorance are the only two possible reasons at this point to describe you both. Unfortunately, neither answer reflects well about yourselves.
Jim Foster wrote:
"I once belonged to a modern orthodox synagogue in which women were rarely allowed to enter the main sanctuary."
But Jim, you explicitly said you were not ever a devout Jew. How can you now reconcile that statement?
"I am wholly convinced at this point, that efforts by the likes of "Heretic's Crusade" and also by community members like "Jim Foster" are here intentionally for the sole reason to obfuscate the discussion about Islam, and try to turn the discussion, and every informational thread, into a referendum against any and all deists and any organized religion."
Hear, hear!!
Rahman bin Rahman,
There's a very clearly posted document at the mosque across the street from me. It reads: "Men Only".
Jim states:
"You are fantastic, Champ!
You utterly rock!
God bless.
Love,
Jimmy"
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I will not Bless you.
This one is for you, smartass .....
"Don't waste what is holy on people who are unholy. Don't throw your pearls to pigs! They will trample the pearls, then turn and attack you."
Matthew 7:6
Yeah--What Isabella said!
For the folks who support the male members of this mosque, may I point out one little thing?
In every non-Muslim religion that also practices sex separation, the women may sit on one side of the room, or in a balcony, but it's the same room. They hear the same message, and can see the speakers and breathe the same air.
Non-Muslim women have options.
A female-only mosque would fly as high as a lead balloon. Isabella is right--even to attempt to make their lot better is a sure way of making the whole sick, sordid mess worse for Muslimahs who want to (heaven forbid) worship. For their so-called "brothers" to prevent them from doing so, in a reasonable manner, is immoral.
As for the legalities of excluding women from worship, it might be a legal, but that doesn't make it right.
"Boxed in, stifling, suffocating and totally a second class citizen," says Hannah.
Well. Welcome to the world of Islam.
The fact remains, American law also allows a religious organization to engage in this sort of discrimination on its private property.
damn.......hit the nail on the head.........it's all about property.......land.......i live on this patch.......you don't........i claim this piece........you want it......step over my dead body when i run out of ammo!
twitter.com/HereticsCrusade is correct about one thing, and incorrect about another.
He's correct that -- if I may add a little texture in paraphrase -- these Muslim women are stupid for wanting to continue to worship in a place and in a religion that massively and profoundly opposes and oppresses them.
He's incorrect, however, in contextualizing this event in terms of Equivalency with other religions and organizations. The anti-Islam movement is anti-Islam, and as such, we recognize that all symptoms of pathology that emanate out of its orbit are unique, not comparable; and thus uniquely condemnable. Islam is an interlocking mosaic, where everything fits together. The same pathology that continues to be regressive about women's rights is directly related to the pathology that leads Muslims to their ultra-violence, and both in turn fit like jigsaw puzzle pieces into the grand mosaic of supremacist Jihad. To isolate any piece of the Islamic puzzle and try to diminish its significance, and role, in that larger mosaic, by detaching it from that larger mosaic -- by considering it in the abstract in comparison with Presbyterians or Rotary Clubs, etc. -- serves to prevent the West's realization of the nature of our enemy and our enemy's ideology.
It seems that once in a while, we have to remind even some among our own JW readership that Islam is a total belief system. The same pathology that leads Muslims to obsessively-compulsively follow the bizarre toilet regimen of Mohammed, is the same pathology that leads them to try to kill us. All its different pathologies interlock. No one of them can be isolated from the mosaic in which they all fit, and which forms the Absolute Truth of the Meaning of Life that makes Muslims Muslim.
In these terms, then, any formulations of Equivalency are impertinent, if not downright counterproductive to the anti-Islam agenda.
awake wrote:
"I am wholly convinced at this point, that efforts by the likes of "Heretic's Crusade" and also by community members like "Jim Foster" are here intentionally for the sole reason to obfuscate the discussion about Islam, and try to turn the discussion, and every informational thread, into a referendum against any and all deists and any organized religion."
It seems so. Even if I may not be definitively convinced of the sinister intent of any particular commenter who seems to like to bring up this or that Equivalency whenever the opportunity arises, I believe in considering them all so, on the same principle as, because we cannot for practical purposes divide Muslims into harmless and dangerous, we must consider them all dangerous (the definition of "dangerous", and our responses to it, to be calibrated and adjudicated). (And of course some seem more suspicious than others, such as Foster.)
That said, I do believe there are types of people, deformed by PC MC to one degree or another, who for various reasons can't seem to help their reflex spasms of bringing up Equivalency whenever Islam and Muslims are singled out for criticism and/or condemnation, and so are more or less innocent, if rather stupid (though again, the caveat described above applies). And notice that twitter and Foster aren't the only ones to lurch into Equivalency, either on this thread or on others. PC MC runs deep in our society; it's not just a disease of "liberals". Its influence extends even into the anti-Islam movement, in one way or another, among some.
May I recommend those women visit a Christian church of their choosing. Not only do the not have to wear mummy wrappings, they can actually sit in a mixed crowd of people who know how to behave in a friendly respectful manner.
"What if ... a bunch of Mennonite women invaded the men's side of the church in the middle of worship?"
You can add the Amish, the Mennonites' more conservative brethren, to the list of faiths that segregate men and women, not only in worship services, but in social gatherings, as well.
"D.C. police were called. They asked them to leave or be arrested."
This is good isn't it? it's private property. I'd be thanking the cops?? ""Girls,""
"jihad watch is godsend..God bless jihad watch"
Loner, good for you. I think it's a shitfest.
Paladin, I also believe that Islam is a lie. I cannot do otherwise if I believe that Jesus Christ is God's "last word" to mankind. I also agree that Islam is barbaric. But even barbarians have rights in these here United States! My main point was that if these women didn't like the rules where they were, they should have gone elsewhere.
Indeed, a lot of feminism's assaults on various theistic traditions make me think a bit of Islam's "wild asinine" (Gen. 16:12) assaults on everything that went before.
Hi Folks,,
I suggest everyone in Washington, get on the phone and complain to their elected official and the chief of police.
It is illegal to segregate people!!
Infidel world needs to start complaining and getting in their stuffed suit politicians face about this.
Sharia, will follow,, this is total BS!!!
Lan Astaslem
solsticewitch13
"don't annoy the bikers, it's a islam free zone"
Maybe they were afraid the women would BLOW THEMSELVES UP!
I think most people are missing one very important point - the muslimahs are not so much complaining about the segregation, but rather their inferior alternative - a small. "stifling, suffocating" room.
I have no sympathy. They *are* second-class citizens, according to islam, so they shouldn't complain at all. They is what they've chosen.
Right on, Champ! You rock!
Thanks for always making sure that your responses are appropriate, pertinent to the theme being discussed in the thread, and enlightening.
I am learning more and more from you every day! Thanks so much for making me a better person!
Your wisdom, lack of sarcasm, honesty, refusal to engage in childish behavior, or ever to take vengeance due to some petty misunderstanding, as well as your loving, forward-looking demeanor, are an inspiration to us all!
Did I tell you how much you rock!
"Don't waste what is holy on people who are unholy. Don't throw your pearls to pigs! They will trample the pearls, then turn and attack you." Matthew 6:7
"Old" Testament Wisdom:
"Take not vengeance nor bear a grudge".......Leviticus 19
Love,
Jimmy
Hesperado wrote, quoting Awake:
"I am wholly convinced at this point, that efforts by the likes of "Heretic's Crusade" and also by community members like "Jim Foster" are here intentionally for the sole reason to obfuscate the discussion about Islam, and try to turn the discussion, and every informational thread, into a referendum against any and all deists and any organized religion."
Is it the intention of "certain" people to divert the thread's purpose away from its STATED purpose by engaging in this sort of tactic?
Is it the purpose of "certain" people to divert JihadWatch's purpose away from its goal by engaging in personal vendetta, character assassination, and projection by AGAIN interjecting off-topic comments, assumptions, and PROJECTIONS about alleged intent (which the posters can in NO sense of the word understand) into the equation.
I would ask that "certain" people cease their thinly-veiled attacks on other posters and keep to the topic on hand.
If people can't make a positive contribution to the issue at hand, perhaps they shouldn't be commenting.
I'll repeat: Federal and state laws allow private clubs and religious organizations to discriminate on religious and other grounds.
Don't like that each religion can insist upon separation of people based on gender? Then campaign for an extension of invasive laws that will ban this discrimination. But also be ready to extend the state's power because the authorities will then be allowed to shut down religious groups that teach homosexuality is a sin, as the Canadian and some European legal systems already have.
"The Islamic Centre of Washington".
Has it featured in the news on any other occasion?
Yes. The 1977 Hanafi Muslim siege, when 11 people at the mosque (as well as much larger numbers at the District Building and the B'nai B'rith headquarters) were held hostage.
Hesp,
Jim gave you the same sarcasm, word for word, on another thread that he's given to me here on this thread.
In case you missed it, here is his comment to you on the "Egypt state security tortures Christian youth" thread.
Jim states:
"Right on, Hesperado! You rock!
Thanks for always making sure that your responses are appropriate, pertinent to the theme being discussed in the thread, and enlightening.
I am learning more and more from you every day! Thanks so much for making me a better person!
Your wisdom, lack of sarcasm, honesty, refusal to engage in childish behavior, or ever to take vengeance due to some petty misunderstanding, as well as your loving, forward-looking demeanor, are an inspiration to us all!
Did I tell you how much you rock!
"Don't waste what is holy on people who are unholy. Don't throw your pearls to pigs! They will trample the pearls, then turn and attack you." Matthew 6:7
"Old" Testament Wisdom:
"Take not vengeance nor bear a grudge".......Leviticus 19
Love,
Jimmy"
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On this thread Jim stated:
"If people can't make a positive contribution to the issue at hand, perhaps they shouldn't be commenting."
Is he talking about himself? Methinks so.
A long time ago, my father, who was in some ways very in favor of women's independence, made a comment which seemed grounded in pure common sense. Regarding women wanting to considered "equals" in non-secular situations, he asked, "why would a woman want to be part of any religion that didn't regard her as equal to begin with?" Makes sense to me......
Kepha, my concern is that these deceptive barbarians are becoming quite adept at making use of our freedoms - in ways that we would not have foreseen years ago.
Our common faith, manners and mores that underlie our Constitution are not shared by these people. Their frequent usage of dissimulation makes it difficult to understand the exact nature of any interaction with our law enforcement officers.
It bothers me to see the de facto enforcement of their repugnant system effected by the DC police. I do agree, however, that all citizens should be afforded the protection of our laws.
But... isn't it high time to question the loyalty of those that want to replace our laws with sharia?
yes champ, thanks; I've seen that multiple times now. Foster is just attempting to be silly-joky, as though that will deflect from his failures to deal with more substantive challenges.
Champ, you rock!
With your insightful comments that are always appropriate and right on taget, I can always hope to learn so much.
You are a huge inspiration to me, Champ!
Thanks oodles; you gooooooooooooooooooooooooo girl. :)
God Bless.
Oh, did I mention just how much you rock.
Love,
Jimmy
Dearest Awake, my mentor and peerless intellectual giant, I stated that I am not an orthodox Jew, meaning I don't follow halachah CURRENTLY. I was ONCE religious. I still am allowed to enter a synagogue, silly! I've even entered Buddhist shrines and a church or two on occassion. :)
You rock, Awake! Your insights are an inspiration to me daily.
I admire so much how you never degenerate the tone to the level of personal attack, and how you are always so polite.
Did I tell you how much you rock!
God bless.
Love,
Jimmy
Awake twittered:
"Intentional or out of ignorance are the only two possible reasons at this point to describe you both. Unfortunately, neither answer reflects well about yourselves."
Of course, you meant the insults against me and the other posters in the kindest, most amicably Christian of ways, didn't you? How silly of me to think you meant anything rude by it.
Well, my dearest Awake, peerless intellectual giant and paragon of princely manners, some people might argue that constitutional law is "ignorant" but oh, well. What can I say to a de-facto fascist who opposes the American Constitution. Rhetorical question.
The courts have already decided the matter, and private clubs and religious organizations have the legal right to separate the sexes, ban homosexuals from the ministry and church membership, forbid women priests, etc. Why, the courts even decided that the Boy Scouts can kick atheists out. Don't like the discrimatory rules? Well then, don't join organizations that differentiate on gender, sexuality, or other factors. Simple.
In that event, the mosque is within its legal rights to call the police and have charges for trespass, etc. brought against the women.
Do I agree with it? No. Do I like it? No. But the courts haved judged the issues involved and the law, as it stands, is on the mosque's side.
Of course, you could argue that there should be no gender discrimination in the mosque, in which case you'd have gone down the slippery slope, opened Pandora's box so to speak, and we'd all have to apply our moral outrage equally and mandate homosexual ministers on Baptist pulpits, women priests offering the Eucharist and other sacraments of the Roman Catholic Church, mandate gay troop leaders, and file charges against leaders of orthodox synagogues and other religious organizations that segregate along gender lines.
Thanks for all the kind compliments, Awake.
You rock! Your words are a daily inspiration to me.
God Bless.
Love,
Jimmy
Thanks, Hesperado. You rock!
God bless.
Love,
Jimmy
Great post, Champ! You rock!
You're a little late on the news, bringing up last week's trash and all and interjecting it into this thread and all, as if it's pertinent or concerns anyone, but oh well.
But you still rock!
It's great how you always stay on the themes thread and how you have so much to offer.
But really, how long does it take you to cut and paste and type these into your monitor? Just wondering. Long time, huh.
You still rock!
Oh, here's my substantive contribution to the thread, something that is really ABOUT the topic. It's just above this one. Something about the law and constitutionality and separation along gender and sexual preference lines in religious and other private organizations. You could always read that and decide to contribute something to the actual topic under discussion. Just a thought.
God bless!
Love,
Jimmy
What? What?
muslimas wanting to be equal? Maybe the mahdi and issa ARE coming after all...
Seriously folks? I am MORE concerned with why exactly an American-paid police force is enforcing segregation, the women were NOT trespassing as suggested by some posters. They have access to their "room" within the centre and have every right to be their own activists in their own situation and religion. AND-I am especially concerned about DENVER AIRPORT having a separate room for muslims!! Why the heck should they get their OWN prayer room? One size fits all and if you don't like it, don't pray. What a joke we are letting America become!
And yes! muslimas CAN have their own little prayer houses. I know this because the Somali women pooled their resources here in San Diego and bought a little tiny church in City Heights and converted it to their own use. I detest the idea of muslims buying Christian churches, but what of it? We are America...
If musselmen (and musselwomen) want equality, then let them respect the tenets of equality. No more bitch-whining and separatism! Give respect as you would receive it, and stop asking for concessions.
And yes! muslimas CAN have their own little prayer houses. I know this because the Somali women pooled their resources here in San Diego and bought a little tiny church in City Heights and converted it to their own use. I detest the idea of muslims buying Christian churches, but what of it? We are America and we sell ourselves at every chance.. Sigh...
Robert, Marisol.. If you are reading this thread, isn't there anyway you could link up sites where we could write in or call and make a statement for ourselves? In this case, I'd love to call and/or email the centre and give them a good what for. Also, why not give us a link to NOW so we all here at JihadWatch can give them a heads up? Is it wishful thinking to want to be proactive?
I'm still fuming about Denver airport! This isn't Singapore or Kuwait!! NO SPECIAL TREATMENT!!! No WAY!!!
IN FACT, IF I EVER GET TO DENVER AIRPORT I AM GOING INTO THAT PRAYER ROOM WITH A DOG AND SHOES!!!!! LET THEM JUST TRY TO ARREST ME!!!
Since Jim Foster posted his comment linked to a "Reply" to awake's post, Foster's evasions and contortions of his interlocutor are plain to see for the reader by a simple mouse-click.
awake's post to which Foster replied said nothing about the Constitution, said nothing about the Boy Scouts , or the Rotary Club, or homosexual Baptist priests, or any of the other things onto which Foster's irrationally labile associations veered off. What awake's post did say was mainly three things:
1) this site is anti-Islam and indissolubly related to that, Anti-Dhimmitude -- and not anti-Anything Else.
2) Equivalence is impertinent, distracting and counter-productive to this site's agenda.
3) Jim Foster (and HereticsCrusade -- and I would add Kepha, though Kepha's examples are so far milder infractions) regularly uses Jihad Watch comments to indulge in Equivalence.
Now, Jim Foster might have taken the opportunity of his own reply to awake by constructing an argument defending the apparent point that the Boy Scouts, the Rotary Club, homosexual Baptist priests, etc., reflect pertinent examples by which Equivalence is relevant to this site's agenda; and then he could have explained exactly what that relevance is; and finally he could have integrated into his argument a refutation of my argument above (namely, that gender discrimination in Islam is one piece of pathology in inseperable interlocking relation with all the other pieces of pathology in Islam which all together constitute the mosaic whole of Islam, and that mosaic whole of Islam is endangering the world today with ultra-violence and supremacist hatred not seen since Hitler and his Axis Alliance -- indeed far worse than Hitler and his Axis Alliance; while gender discrimination in other organizations is not linked to such larger looming dangers. So what's the point of comparing the two forms of gender discrimination, if not to mitigate our concern for the Islamic pathology?
But Foster, rather than doing this, opted to splash the screen with an incoherent mess that failed to be relevant or responsive to awake's post but did manage to be rude and insulting to awake.
Lorfalcon,
Here's another one on DIA (Denver International Airport):
All the cabbies & shuttle-drivers in Denver (everywhere?) are msulims. Recently, a Dnever news reporter was given a tour of the drivers' "lounge" at DIA. When they came to the mens' restroom...there were NO SINKS! Just an empty wall with mirrors. It was explained that the damage incurred to sinks by muslim drivers using those sinks for FOOT BATHS became beyond financial ability to keep in repair. So they had to remove the sinks!
It was probably the best solution--would you want to wash your hands in the same sink where a muslim just had a nice FOOTBATH? Me neither...
Should be "Denver," of course, sorry...
Ugh.
But just imagine those drivers going out now without cleaning after touching themselves and scraping away with their right hands!! Perhaps a small low sink for a "child" should have been installed (I've seen those in other airports and low ones for people in wheelchairs) and they could clean their feet as desired.
Though to be honest, it's not so much their feet that need cleaning as...(____________-fill in the blank!)
"But Foster, rather than doing this, opted to splash the screen with an incoherent mess that failed to be relevant or responsive to awake's post but did manage to be rude and insulting to awake."
I concur fully Hesp. Jim's "reply" was a rambling mess devoid of any connotative substance to my comment. I just thought he had a breakdown or something.
Anyway, it is far more revealing than insulting and did nothing more than to reinforce, for the benefit of the entire community, and to validate the criticisms previously aimed at him and his style of discourse here at JW.
The "Love Jimmy" crap smacks of Yoms..."Hope this helps." shit. Add the fact that he now copies and pastes his insulting replies, just changes the names...I just don't know what the hell is up with this guy, and asking him will do no good. And I defended him...sigh...
His second post on this thread invites conflict.
"You are right about that. This can be a hazardous place in which to speak one's mind.
One can be accused of all sorts of "heresies" for just speaking one's mind."
Speaking ones mind has never been hazardous here...however, if you can't stand the heat get out of the damned kitchen. Others have said as much but far more eloquently.
islam is a lie and
Truth is killing it.
Welcome Hugo...
One can learn quite a great deal about islam here. There are those that outright defend it regardless of the act committed and those that attempt to find moral equivalency tweenst islam and Christianity. The defenders of the filth that is islam take many forms. Some defend it out of ignorance. Others know what they defend and do so vigorously if ineffectively.
And of course you will find those that know islam for what it is and has been. Slavery, the loss of liberty, the enslavement of women, Blood and Death in abundance.
I'm sure you'll be entertained and educated. I have been.
islam is a lie and
Truth is killing it.
Though to be honest, it's not so much their feet that need cleaning as...their souls.
How's that?
lorfalcon,
"It's not so much their feet that need cleaning as__________"
My first thought was MINDS!
But the Alaskan Infidel said it better, SOULS!
BTW, the same report said that the muslim drivers had literally taken-over the drivers' lounge, appropriated a room for their (and only their) prayers, etc. It is apparently implied, if not expressed, that the Kuffar are not welcome there. A total takeover of the facility. Nice, eh?
Well George and AI.. when I have a bit of time (or maybe one of you could) I'd like to chase down the Governor's office and remind the Gov that Freedom of Religion does not mean Freedom to Hostile Takeover. They need to get the Feds in there and clean up the crap!!
Got to run now cuz I'm getting ready for the Opera! Nabucco... (simply love the opera, though if America doesn't wake up from it's sleeping beauty dhimmitude, sharia will be instituted and it'll be outlawed... sigh...)
Oh... And another thought comes to mind...
Aren't we in the middle of a war against "terrorism?" Doesn't it behoove the authorities to keep tight security in the airport? Does this mean they can even unleash a dirty bomb in their prayer room? Did the news play up this angle? Probably not, because, after all... islame is a religion of "peace." Yeah, as in "they wanna a piece of you!"
Hi, AlaskanInfidel ...yeah, his "hope this helps" suggests that you are probably right. In fact, on another thread Yom has been targetting me there with silly slights, too; and it's been suggested that Yom is in fact Naseem come back from the dead. Hmm, are Jim and Yom a recycled piece of trash? Sure seems that way!
"Speaking ones mind has never been hazardous here...however, if you can't stand the heat get out of the damned kitchen. Others have said as much..."
So true, AlaskanInfidel! I mean, this is an anti-jihad website, so sissies don't fellowship well here. Perhaps "Yim" might enjoy starting his own blog where he can speak his mind -- dictate from on high -- and then have the final word to his hearts content.
Thank you Champ, you rock!
Your kindness, intelligence, and ability to always stay right on the subject at hand are an inspiration to us all.
I learn so much from you every day.
Thanks for calling me a "recycled piece of trash." I am truely inspired now.
Again, thank you for your many kind words. You are truely a shining example to me and I only hope to emulate a tiny fraction of the brilliant light shining from your lovely soul.
Did I mention just how much I think you rock?
God bless.
Love.
Jimmy
Thank you Hesperado, you rock!
You may indeed need a literacy coach since you are apparently having some diffifulty reading the plain meaning of the English words in my answer to your insults, but you still rock!
Your kindness, intelligence, and ability to always stay right on the subject at hand are an inspiration to us all.
I learn so much from you every day.
Again, thank you for your many kind words. You are truely a shining example to me and I only hope to emulate a tiny fraction of the brilliant light shining from your lovely soul.
Did I mention just how much I think you rock?
God bless.
Love.
Jimmy
Awake, I realize that, even in this greatest of free countries known as the USA, there are still people who have problems with literacy. so let me retype my answer:
The courts have already decided the matter, and private clubs and religious organizations have the legal right to separate the sexes, ban homosexuals from the ministry and church membership, forbid women priests, etc. Why, the courts even decided that the Boy Scouts can kick atheists out. Don't like the discrimatory rules? Well then, don't join organizations that differentiate on gender, sexuality, or other factors. Simple.
In that event, the mosque is within its legal rights to call the police and have charges for trespass, etc. brought against the women.
Do I agree with it? No. Do I like it? No. But the courts haved judged the issues involved and the law, as it stands, is on the mosque's side.
Of course, you could argue that there should be no gender discrimination in the mosque, in which case you'd have gone down the slippery slope, opened Pandora's box so to speak, and we'd all have to apply our moral outrage equally and mandate homosexual ministers on Baptist pulpits, women priests offering the Eucharist and other sacraments of the Roman Catholic Church, mandate gay troop leaders, and file charges against leaders of orthodox synagogues and other religious organizations that segregate along gender lines.
If you have problems reading the above, please see a literacy coach.
You do not rock.
Not at all. In fact, I do not think you even have any stones.
awake's post to which Jim Foster is responding was not about gender discrimination and American law; and yet Jim Foster twice now has failed to address awake's post -- even after Foster was reminded previously by me as to the pertinent purport of awake's post to him.
I already outlined, in a comment addressed to Foster above, how Foster could reasonably respond to awake's post (as well as to my addition of an important aspect of this issue). He has chosen to completely ignore my argument, and instead to proceed obtusely (or cleverly) with his unresponsiveness.
Try to stay on topic, MISTER!
The subject is NOT Roman Catholic, Jewish or even Baptist practices!! Nothing about homosexuals either!
Got that????
THE SUBJECT IS MOSLEM CHAUVINISM AND ISLAMIC SHARIA STUPIDITY!
You are absolutely correct!! Good for you!
"You do not rock.
Not at all. In fact, I do not think you even have any stones."
LOL!!!!!
I second that sentiment ....
B-Bye, Jimmy Foster ...AKA, JERK FOOL
blah blah blah blah blah boring blah blah
The only answer to this problem is to close all mosques.And as a safeguard is to ban islam from the western world completely.
I may be incorrect, I am not a lawyer, but if this islamic center is registered as a non-profit organization. They will be putting their tax free status at risk by adopting and enforcing a policy of discrimination based on sex. Once again I am not a lawyer so I may be incorrect, but it is something to look into. That would be an easy way to fight back against the supporters of terror. They would either have to submitt to allowing women in or they would spend a lot of time and resources in the court system explaining the trueth about their so called religion.
Note to anyone who stumbles across this thread and reads the exchanges in which a "Jim Foster" is referred to: the commenter "Jim Foster" changed his nickname to "Yvdirtrider".