German jihadists misunderstood Islam, planned mass murder

"...they had planned 'mass murder' on a scale unknown in Germany."

If they really planned mass murder on a scale unknown IN GERMANY, they must have had a number of H-bombs.
I can only hope he forgot to add "since 1945".

The prosecutor, like many non-Muslim officials before him, took it upon himself to defend something he clearly knows nothing about -- Islam:
(They should be forced to read the following.

Who Said What - 20 Seconds of Your Time Folks to Drive Home the Point about Islam Compared to Other Religions

/Mr. Wilders - if some of your people are reading the site, have them check it out. The judges should be forced to confront this.

http://newstime.co.nz/2010/the-koran-is-a-declaration-of-open-ended-war-against-the-infidels-kafirs-extreme-degraded-word-for-unbelievers.html
German Islamists? He is a TRUE Muslim!

Islam is more like a virus than a cancer in that it is contagious. Churchill compared it to rabies: http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2010/01/islam-murder-meme-and-rabies-of.html

"They have given new nourishment to
the reservations held against the
the world's second largest religion."

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Ya' think??

'The accused wanted to buy themselves a reduced sentence by pleading to the charges. Even the most convinced holy warrior does not want to sit in prison and watch the jihad (holy war) pass by,' the prosecutor said.
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The reason they plead guilty was not because they wished for a reduced sentence, although I'm sure they considered that welcome.

The reason they plead guilty was that they were *proud* of their planned Jihad, and only regretted that they had been unable to carry it out.

State prosecutor Volker Brinkmann said the members of the so- called Sauerland Group were driven by an overwhelming hatred of US soldiers and by a desire to carry out mass murder, and would not have shied away from killing innocent women and children."

One is immediately put in mind of another group of ideologically-impelled fanatics in Germany who were "driven by an overwhelming hatred of US soldiers" [and Jews, Gypsies, Slavs, members of national resistance movements and the armies of the Allies, that is all who they regarded as enemies or who were unwilling to appease or collaborate with them] and "by a desire to carry out mass murder, and would not have shied away from killing innocent women and children."

What a perfect overlay.

And the judge says, "The accused have damaged islam. Few people share their fundamentalist wahabi views..."

SHAMELESS BULLSHIT!

Always some mollifying statement, always a bone tossed to JOhn Q Muslim. Gee, we would NEVER suggest that anything about the religion of peace itself is to blame! I mean, it's not like you'd be heroes to muslims worldwide if you'd succeeded. Noooo, they join with us in condemning your un-islam-like behavior. Just as they always do...

The NSdAP (Nazi party) was banned in Germany in 1945 when Nazi Germany was defeated. Nowadays in order to wreak havoc like the Nazis did the Germans have to convert to Islam. There is no ban, Nazis, oops, Muslims/jihadists enjoy religious freedom in Germany and use it amply. No lessons learned.

Yes, but if the perpetrators damaged Islam, then shouldn't that be a mitigating factor in their sentences?

I dislike the phrase "the cancer of Islamic Terrorism." I think the correct (and more direct) phrase is "the cancer of Islam." tout court.

Hello my fellow jihadwatchers, been a while. I just downloaded a very interesting document, which appears to have been written by the government of Republic of Srpska just after 9/11 chronicling Balkan terror networks. Sadly enough, most of the nations mentioned having associations with Balkan Islamic terror networks are, or were receiving military assistance from us. Since then these networks have grown to unimaginable proportions ... with our help of course.

http://infideltheamerican.wordpress.com/2010/02/04/islamic-fundamentalists-global-network-modus-operandi-model-bosnia/

sorry to be off topic, but it really is fascinating.

It's interesting that Scientologists in Germany are banned from holding government posts and positions as teachers, while Islam is tolerated and allowed to grow.

In any even, I recently purchased the Sahih al Bukhari (based on Robert's recommendation) and can certainly understand now the ideology that motivates the terrorists. As I read the ahadith about jihad, and the Saudi editors' comments upon these ahadith, a picture of what motivates these criminals is definitely emerging.

Since the militant Muslims are so few in number,why haven't they been contained?They seem to be spawning left and right. It's not a case of a few bad apples giving Islam a bad name;the problem is elements of the religion itself.

What's especially galling is that the driving force behind these miscreants are obviously 'reverts', unseen in other theaters of jihad warfare, at least not to this extend.

"Will the Islamophobia never end?"

Just a thought. Why isn't any respected newspaper, reporting a similar story, blamed for Islamophobia?
What is the difference between so called 'real' reporting and Islamophobia?

Why isn't anyone afraid of Jews or Christians?

The public is constantly asked to report anything suspicious. At the same time, the public is asked not to treat people resembling previous terror attacks or plots, with suspicion.

Enter Islamophobia.
The public is asked not to suspect anything suspicious.
Suspecting a man planning a mass murder, can lead to Islamophobia, which can lead to violence by the offended/victim.

So we must not fear the ones we are afraid of, for fear of them attacking us for being afraid.

I get it.

Prehaps Geert Wilder should call upon these upstanding citizens to testify at his trial. Oh, disallowed.

http://www.avraidire.eu/2010/01/fitna-version-francaise-geert-wilders-part-12/

le film en français, geert Wilders, Fitna

I believe it was St. Augustine who said, "Never judge a philosophy by its abuse."

But as these jihadist threats with their attendant Koranic justifications pile up, an enormous gray area emerges & I can't tell where the proper use ends and the abuse begins.

I wonder what St. Augustine would say about 'islamo-phobia'?

JIHADISTS ARE GOOD MUSLIMS,THEY ONLY DO WHAT ORDERED HOLY AND TOLERANT KORAN WRITED BY THE HOLY PROPHET MUHAMMAD. SO MR. ROBERT WHAT WRONG WITH THIS.DO YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE HOLY AND PEACEFUL KORAN SAY ABOUT NON-MUSLIMS PEOPLE ?"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which
hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of truth, from
among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission and feel
themselves subdues". 9:29
OH ALLAH FORGIVE THE INFIDEL MR. ROBERT.

" ... blinded by religious fervour...."

Biblically speaking, enslaved to UNRIGHTEOUSNESS, these children dutifully sought to murder as many as they could with the means available to them because they were so enthused to serve what Muhammad supposedly said pleased Allah.

so much for moral equivalents.

Ethoman wrote:

Hello my fellow jihadwatchers, been a while.
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Nice to see you posting again, Ethoman.

The Balkans were—before the insane policy of "Deux Rivieres" and its resultant huge increase in Muslim immigration to Europe—the only place in Europe with a significant Muslim population.

Islam in the Balkans had been constrained through the collapse of the Ottoman empire and decades of communist rule, but it didn't go away. Even today, few Westerners seem to have even an inkling of what is going on in South-Eastern Europe with church burnings and creeping Shari'ah.

Correction: I meant, of course, "Deux Rivistes" policy—"two riverbanks", or the two shores, north and south, of the Mediterranean—*not* "Deux Rivieres", which translates as, I believe, "two rivers".

I took only a semester or two of French-and found, alas, that I have little natural flair for this beautiful language.

ALl of you Islamic Muslims know is to kill every body and any body who does not believe in your way of worship, believe in your way of living, talking, breathing, life style in general.

SHUT TO THE HELL UP! I am so sick and tired of you and your Oh So Ever-Popular KORAN until I can't see straight. Dammit, people, male and female, child and adult, HAVE A GOD GIVEN RIGHT to live and worship freely, without fear of being killed or put in prison for this. But what do you do: Blow people up and kill innocent people on a DAILY BASIS. Why? Wha are you proving? Shut up. You will probably answer with more excuses and cite Allah Be Praised. May the God that I serve have mercy on your sorry war torn asses.