MIT-trained female jihadist guilty of attempted murder

"This is a verdict coming from Israel and not from America," said this vicious Muslim antisemite after she heard the verdict.

Aafia Siddiqui Update. "Pakistani Scientist Convicted of Attempted Murder," by C.J. Hughes for the New York Times, February 3:

A Pakistani neuroscientist was convicted on Wednesday of attempted murder for trying to kill American soldiers and F.B.I. agents in Afghanistan.

Federal prosecutors said the neuroscientist, Aafia Siddiqui, 37, grabbed an M4 rifle in a police station in the city of Ghazni, Afghanistan, on July 18, 2008, and fired on American officers and federal agents.

After slightly more than two days of deliberations, a jury in Federal District Court in Manhattan found her guilty.

As the jurors began leaving the courtroom, Ms. Siddiqui, who studied at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and Brandeis University, turned in her chair to face them.

"This is a verdict coming from Israel and not from America," she said, holding her right index finger in the air. "That's where the anger belongs. I can testify to this, and I have proof."...

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Perhaps Brandeis and MIT could look into their records, and see what led them to admit Ms. Siddiqui, and give her every advantage and show her every kindness, and see just how surprised people are, or if there were signs all along, telling milestones along the way, the path, fi sabil Allah.

Buh-bye!!

Great news!

Return to sender - Pakistan.

"That's where the anger belongs. I can testify to this, and I have proof."...

Framed by Jews...
She should have presented her 'proof' while she had the chance...It's too late now...Of course she may find some willing Islamic ears in prison...

"...holding her right index finger in the air...."

Didn't know that Muslimas were trained in the fine art of Islamic finger wagging. Aren't only men with beards and a zabiba allowed to unleash this devastating gesture?

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And how long must we feed and clothe this harridan?

Perhaps it's time for a medieval remedy

The Scold's Bridal was also known as the Brank and it was specifically used as a torture for women to inflict humiliation and discomfort as opposed to pain. A scold was a term given to a gossip, shrew or bad tempered woman during the Medieval times. A scold was defined as: "A troublesome and angry woman who by brawling and wrangling amongst her neighbours breaks the public peace, increases discord and becomes a public nuisance to the neighbourhood."

The device was a locking iron muzzle, metal mask or cage which encased the head. There was an iron curb projecting into the mouth which rested on the top of the tongue. This device prevented the shrew from speaking. In some instances the iron curb was studded with spikes which inflicted pain if the victim spoke. Some Scold's Bridals had a bell built in which drew attention to the scold as she walked through the streets. The woman would be humiliated by the jeering and comments from other people.

Her gesture just made me think of something. Perhaps the threat from Ahmadine-jihad regarding 2/11 has nothing to do with the U.S. and he's planning to drop something on Israel.

This chick needs a good anger management program before her stay at club Gitmo begins.

"This is a verdict coming from Israel and not from America," she said, holding her right index finger in the air. "That's where the anger belongs. I can testify to this, and I have proof."...
...................

Yes—because, were it not for the baneful influence of the perfidious Jews, surely Americans wouldn't have any problems with someone trying to murder them. sarc/off

This must be one of the Islamic scientists about whom Prez Osama spoke so glowingly in Cairo.

*** al-Tabari 1:234 ***

And Prez Osama is an Ivy League trained historian to boot.

Surely we needn't sink to torturing women, even vicious muslimas like this one.

Of course not, ImNoDhimmi. I'm just underscoring how angry I am that taxpayers will be on the hook to feed, clothe, and house these people.

I'm very angry.

I just read the comments under the article in the NYT's, sheesh. Have a read, unbelievable how certain people are citing "no proof" and whining that she should be freed.

Give me a break.

the best punishment for the stupid cow would be to be covered from head toe in a potato sack with just peep holes to see out of.

Freed?! ...she should have been shot on the spot! Why she isn't dead can only be explained away by inane pc madness.

Re: "I'm very angry."

Also very misogynistic?

A little overkill on the midieval womanly punishments there, Vee.

...my above comment was suppose to be in response to you, Gymgal :)

To clarify that...

I agree she deserves the full arm of the law - not just as a woman, but as a terrorist/attempted murderer. And a Jew hater.

Champ, no worries, I knew :)

"This is a verdict coming from Israel and not from America," she said, holding her right index finger in the air.

Well then, myself, and the juice too, would like to extend a finger to you.......

was she wagging her trigger finger?

After all the science this women had to do, you have to ask what mental whack job she must be. I study only 4 years of science and lost all my religion brainwashing. Atheist till the end.

Hard to understand how she could not put her eduction into practice for her self. And what is with the covering, take it off if she was so fixated on been a Muslim cheap trick why study at all, its not like she is worth more than a donkey.

Neuroscientist? Neurotic would be more like it. In any case, she serves as living proof (yet again) that no amount of education can trump belief in a warped ideology. As Arthur Schopenhauer observed, any kind of nonsense can be believed in if one gets a hold of the child early enough.

And just reflect for a moment upon all those Muslim children out there across the world who are being taught the many vile notions found in Islam. Disturbing. What the world is up against. Damn Mohammed.

This lady seems more like a mental case. She must have been brilliant to obtain degrees from both Brandeis (a Jewish school btw) and MIT. Then somehow she became fixated on islam's peaceful tenets of murdering infidels, tried to go all Rambo on professional soldiers (and obviously failed), acted and spoke completely irrationally during her trail basically signing her own verdict. Looks like a classical case of schizophrenia, complete with near savantism during teens and into early 20s followed by rapid degeneration into an irrational rambling animal with an 'idea fixe'.

In all probability she ended up doing what she did after being indoctrinated by some "peace loving" imams, but to me it seems like she would have blown her gasket one way or another anyway due to severe mental disorder.

Sayonara, see ya', wouldn't wanna' be ya'...

Her sex isn't relevant here. She grabbed a rifle and fired it. Concentrate on the action, not on the sex of the perpetrator.

I'm sure this thought isn't original. We have a serious problem in that we follow the Geneva Convention, which relates to conventional warfare, and we also insist on "human rights" whilst our enemies do not even recognise.

Our enemies - Jihadists, Somali pirates, and many others - do not wear uniforms, are not a conventional army, do NOT respect the human rights of others.
We are not in a conventional war so why exactly do we follow the Geneva Convention when our enemies do not?
Why was this woman not shot on the spot; why were those Gitmo detainees arrested with arms and clearly combatants not shot on the spot?; why are Somali pirates not shot on the spot>

Am I being THICK or is the West acting THICK and suicidally?

ENOUGH. We need action

"This is a verdict coming from Israel and not from America," she said, holding her right index finger in the air. "That's where the anger belongs. I can testify to this, and I have proof."...

How ironic. She earns degrees from two AMERICAN universities, including one started by secular Jews and named after a prominent American ZIONIST. But for jihadi nut-jobs, there's no thanks, only resentment.

I grew up in communist Russia, and have seen results of your style of thinking first hand. Lenin and his followers didn't believe in human rights, due process, appeals, or any of "that bourgeois nonsense" as they put it. Look where it got USSR, and think of 60+ million people who paid the ultimate price cause ignoring conventions and shooting people on the spot was a norm.

So let's not sink to the level and methods of the very evil we're trying to defeat...

Vee wrote:

Perhaps it's time for a medieval remedy
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This is far more likely to be the sort of thing Islamists would use against "uppity" women. The problem with Aafia Siddiqui is not that she is a "bad-tempered woman" or "a public nuisance" but that she is a would-be murderous Jihadist.

One faction—Islam—trying to drag us back to the Middle Ages is more than enough, thank you.

"And Prez Osama is an Ivy League trained historian to boot."

Ivy League trained he may be, but he's certainly no historian.

One can apparently become a hack scientist by memorizing, and by thinking mechanically, i.e., while suppressing imagination. To the degree that Islam suppresses the making of images, it suppresses imagination. Iconoclasm, or the destruction of imagery, can mean one of two things: an attempt to permanently paralyze imagination (as appears to be the case with Islam), or else a prelude to imagination's rebirth in a new, more individualized, more conscious form (as was perhaps the case with the evolution of human consciousness from the pagan to the Judaic to the Christ-influenced forms of awareness).

Presidential Pardon candidate?

That should have read,"The Pakistani neurotic".She is going to go nuts in jail,thinking of Jewish plots.Everything that
she encounters,from food to insect will have something to
do with Jews.

Perhaps a little OT, but what the heck: Treah, your progression is not dissimilar to what Richard Bucke proposed in his book "Cosmic Consciousness" published in 1900. Bucke was a Canadian physician who had a spontaneous enlightenment experience, and it changed his life. He made the connection between what he had experienced and what he identified as similar experiences by Buddha under the Bodhi tree, Jesus of Nazareth, Paul on the road to Damascus, Moses, Mohammad (I have some problems with this one), and other religious figures.

Being a curious fellow, Bucke investigated the spontaneous psychological phase change that so shook him, and the book summarizes what he concluded. One of the fascinating things he does is compare, side by side, passages from various religious texts that appear to describe exactly the same experience he had. Most authors found words to be inadequate to describe the ineffable, so they fall back on allegory, but the allegories were surprisingly similar across religions. In addition to the writings or sayings of recognized religious figures, he finds evidence in the writings of numerous authors (Walt Whitman, Plotinus, Dante, William Blake, numerous others) indicating that they, too, had undergone similar experiences. He proposed that this religious faculty, as he identified it, was a fairly recent evolutionary development in the human race. It appeared first among the most advanced members of the species, usually when they were in the primes of their lives. Over time it would appear more and more frequently in the general population, at earlier and earlier ages, so that eventually children would be born with it. Those who weren't would be considered handicapped.

Being written over a hundred years ago the book is somewhat burdened by gender and racial stereotyping, and Bucke was probably not even aware that in future years he would be considered biased. It's easy to find fault with some of the conclusions he leaps to, but this is a problem of execution, not of conception. The book isn't as academically rigorous as William James' "Variety of Religious Experience" but it was more brilliant in its underlying conception, in my opinion.

Joooooooooooooooooz....

Booga booga booga!

She comes from Pakistan, this adorable and tolerant country with ISLAMabad as capital state.

Are you so surprised ?

Fascinating, Eastview. I wonder if such an experience can ultimately be reduced to unorthodox biochemical reactions which are then interpreted in a religious vein. Not being a religious man myself, I have had to deal with how and why so many people are religious. Since boyhood I have felt like a stranger in a strange land where religious people are concerned (this has not caused me any angst just puzzlement). And the ecstatic, dramatic, life-changing religious experience, that sudden realization that alters one's life forever, has for many years intrigued me. I remain convinced it's a psychological/physiological phenomenon but then I am coming at it from a perspective which is non-religious and I proceed on the assumption that the soul is almost certainly a myth and the so-called spiritual dimension is just aspects of a very complex monistic universe which we have not yet fully understood and perhaps never will but to which non-understood phenomena most provide the term "spiritual" to deal with. One must be wary, though, not to allow hypotheses to be transformed into hard and fast axioms when, in fact, they should remain hypotheses. In short, I know little for certain. But your comment interested me significantly and I thought I would respond with my two cents worth. Had not heard of this Richard Bucke and so thank you too for bringing him to my attention.

The bitch studied under Noam Chomsky who Osama just praised.

I'm not certain what Ms.Siddiqui meant by "a verdict coming from Israel and not America"- is she suggesting that the Federal judge, US Attorney and the jurors(all 12 of them) were Jewish(and in islamic thinking ipso facto biased against jihadism)? Perhaps she should have requested trial by a Muslim court in her native Pakistan( or maybe Saudi Arabia!, but given the strong likelihood of date with "Chop Chop Square" or the gallows, I doubt if she would have done so!

Wellington, Bucke's book, which I first read during the dabbling phase of my life, made a profound impression on me and helped provide an intellectual framework for subsequent investigations into the phenomenon of religion. My own childhood occurred in a strict Midwestern fundamentalist environment (Amish/Baptist), so I was confronted from a very early age with having to come to grips with the disparity between what I as being taught and the realities I perceived in the wider outside world. I left that world long ago, but the perspective it provided me allows me understand, among other things, the power of a religious upbringing ("Bring up a child in the way he should go..." etc.) - as manifestly do also Muslims - and a feel for the psychology behind the Charismatics and other like groups. These days I concern myself with trying to grok the underlying psychology of Islam, which has a decidedly different cast to it than Christianity or the Eastern religions.

But these are matters relating to the social institutions that are built around the particulars of belief systems and their peculiar external manifestations. The religious impulse itself that lies at the heart of various religions is a more fundamental question, I think, that can be addressed apart from the myriad ways in which they find external expression, and which although perfectly logical and flowing naturally from the inner understanding of "believers" often appears irrational and pointless to outsiders not privy to the "understanding" provided by that particular religion. It is the underlying experience itself to which Bucke addresses his book, and I think he makes a good case.

I agree that there is a biochemical dimension to psychology which has yet to be completely understood, but I also think that investigations into this aspect, while valuable, somehow misses an important element, indeed, the most important one, of the bigger problem. It is an approach that is quintessentially scientific, akin to focusing on counting and classifying every tree in a particular stand, every leaf on every tree, every bird that lives in every tree, while perhaps managing to somehow miss the larger concept and significance of "forest." It is like, having discovered that arranging lenses in a particular order allows one to build a telescope, and then busying oneself with disputes about whether this or that lens or tripod works best and ignoring WHAT the telescope allows one to see that was invisible before.

So, although I understand what my scientific colleagues are trying to do and why, I think a large part of this work is scientific busy work, which can consume entire professional careers, not to mention large government budgets. But once the classifications are done, the results published in peer reviewed journals, awards are handed out and the recipients retire with the satisfaction of knowing they have contributed something of positive value to the world, the newer generation will continue the quest for understanding. My bet, my hope, is that, sooner or later, recognition will dawn that there's more to the material world than, well, just the material world as it is defined today. Conditions are not yet ripe for this, as the scientific establishment is to some extent still hung up on the Church's shabby treatment of Galileo 400 years ago (not unlike Hitchens' and Dawkin's hangups in other areas), and except for a few scattered individuals there is not yet widespread perception within the larger establishment that there are deeper waters beyond the coastal regions we've been exploring up to now.

I think Islam can be deconstructed at the basic psychological level using an approach like this, assuming of course one can stay alive long enough to carry out the work.

Oh how I like good news. If it's an "Israeli verdict" America needs more of them.

Nice analysis. Note that in Western art, there are many portraits, images, sculptures and art depicting individual human beings. And Islam bans art and any depictions of humans.

Co-winki-dink? I don't think so.

It is misleading to call this fanatic a "neuroscientist." She dutifully did her graduate work and received a degree. That's it, that's the end of her connection with science. A "neuroscientist" is Stephen Kuffler, Torstein Wiesel, David Hubel, Eric Kandel. Not Aafia Siddiqui.

She does not get any special prviledges.

Praise to Israel for finding her GUILTY. After the verdict, she says that she has proof? Too late sister, you have been found guilty.

Now go on to prison (hopefully it will be short lived). A swift execution would be nicer; just eliminte you from the living would be great.

What exquisite IRONY--this b**ch got part of her education at Brandeis--a Jewish University. So, the evil Jews were ok as long as they let her study at their university, but now that she's been caught in her Jihad, they're back to being evil.

On the other hand, I hope this is a wakeup call to my secular Jewish brethren, most of whom are total libs (my entire extended family, pretty much), that Islam is evil.

Court? Why did she ever make it to court? Do Army personnel and Federal agents now go unarmed? What the............?

Thanks for your thoughtful reply, Eastview. I was brought up in a very strict Catholic household in which both my mother and father, not to mention most every other relative, were staunch believers. I think I was born with no religious "gene," which is not the case for most human beings, but nonetheless I look upon my Catholic upbringing as providing me with a rigorous moral order in my life. I have long respected this and actually count myself fortunate for the experience. Besides, since I was born early enough to be a pre-Vatican II Catholic, I got a thorough grounding in Latin which I cherish to this day (though while still a boy I convinced myself that a language as complex as Latin was too complicated for any people to have ever spoken and that is was made up by the nuns to torture little boys like myself-------some theory, eh?).

Most intriguing in your post was that missing element you mentioned after biochemical dimensions in man's psychological make-up are taken into account. It made me think that there is very possibly an intangiblity to the human experience which can never, will never, be codified. This is where folks inclined to be religious (which I mean here with no pejorative intent) insert religious belief to "cover the gap." But where does ultimate truth ultimately lie? Is even such a question legitimate? Ah, a unified field theory of the human psyche can't but help being explored or wondered about. Well, as I think Malcolm Muggeridge observed, the universe is not only stranger than we know but stranger than we can imagine. Thanks for the give and take.

THIS "there is a biochemical dimension to psychology which has yet to be completely understood" +1!

"Ah, a unified field theory of the human psyche can't but help being explored or wondered about."

Indeed - probably is already, in fact. You're obviously right about there being an intangibility to human experience, but I'm not certain it will forever resist codification. Will resist taking the bait and spinning off another thread on this, however (much to the relief of other posters, no doubt), and pour myself a brandy instead. I, too, have enjoyed the give and take.

Islam also places a formal ban on music, whether sacred or profane, vocal or instrumental - strings and flutes are specifically singled out as objects to be despised and destroyed. Once, out of curiosity, I skim-read N Dawood's Koran translation looking at all the places where the Islamic paradise is described; *not one* of those descriptions mentions music or singing. There are food and wine and girls in allah's bordello...but no mood muzak, it seems.

Whereas the stereotypical cartoon of the Christian 'heaven' is people in white robes sitting on fluffy clouds *playing golden harps*.

Of course, the sharia ban on music of all kinds has proven much more difficult of full achievement than the ban on sculpture and on paintings of living beings, since music is so deeply coded into the human species. But the fact remains that, most likely as a result of Mohammed's own total rejection of music (he is depicted by one Hadith as running away from a flautist, with his fingers in his ears) the Islamic heartlands have not seen anything like the extraordinary elaboration of music of all kinds that one sees in every other human culture, whether the high cultures of Eastern and Western Christendom, in East Asia and non-Muslim India, among Jews, among Hindus and Buddhists, and in every non-Muslim tribal society anthropologists and musicologists have ever seriously studied. Music has survived within dar al islam, and not because of Islam, but in despite of it.

And that hostility to music, again, says something - something quite horrifying - about what Islam as an ideology tries to do to the human brain and mind.

Put a bullet through her head and she will certainly have been returned to sender.

DDA, I, too, have pondered the reasons behind Mohammad's condemnation of music. Perhaps he was tone deaf and was mocked as a child for not being able to carry a tune.

Whatever the reason, the music, such as it is, in the ME, or anywhere else for that matter, cannot begin to compare with the richness and sheer magnificence of Western music as it has developed under the inspiration of Christianity. Most contemporary cultures recognize this, so that one sees the state and national orchestras even in places like China performing Beethoven and Brahms. I think the national orchestras of the various countries in the ME, formed under Western influence, originally carried similar programs. But with the upswing of Islmic conservatism throughout the ME I wonder if music might in some way become a cultural battleground. Although Western music seems to be uneasily tolerated, even in Saudi Arabie, as long as it's not obtrusive, one can easily imagine it becoming a crime even to own a violin or flute, much less play it in public, in, say, Iran, or in Afghanistan if the Taliban ever get back into power.

During my first visit to the ME I spent a lot of time analyzing what it was, exactly, that gave the music its peculiar quality, be it the ubiquitous pop music on the streets and in taxicabs, or orchestral music accompanying locally produced movies and TV shows, or even the music accompanying Dervish dancing. At first I thought it was the quarter-tones, which give an out-of-tune quality to the music. Then it suddently hit me - it's the almost total absence of harmony. Even a chamber orchestra-sized ensemble has all the instruments playing the melody, with perhaps a few drums pounding out the beat, or, in some cases, a bass instrument providing the key in a drone-like manner. One hears this quality in recitations of the Qur'an and in the chants accompanying the YouTube clips glorifying Hamas and al-Qaeda.

Perhaps it's the quarter tones that, while providing great subtlety of vocal expression, inhibits instrumental expression of musical harmonic structures, like thirds and fifths and minor sevenths, that give Western music, in all its variants, so much of its richness. Whatever the technical reasons might be for the peculiarities of ME music, Islam's blanket condemnation of all types of music is as irrational as its condemantion of all forms of creative expression - and is a direct reflection of Mohammad's irrationality.

I'm not sure that 'harmony' is the word you want.

Rather, it's 'Polyphony'. Counterpoint.

Here, for starters, is a recording of Thomas Tallis' forty-part motet, 'Spem in Alium'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Cn7ZW8ts3Y

Listen to it a few times.

Then find D B Hart's book "The Beauty of the Infinite: the Aesthetics of Christian Truth" and read the section, from p. 282, entitled "Divine Counterpoint", which begins with an extended discussion of the music of J S Bach. (The entire book is well worth reading - I find it a splendid modern summa of everything that makes 'the west', and indeed, beyond the west, what might loosely be called 'christendom', both 'east' *and* 'west', what it is).

If you *do* read Hart's book, keep an eye open for those places where he discusses Dionysus and the Dionysian (i.e. the Dionysus of Nietzsche, the Dionysus of the Greeks), for he sometimes speaks of that in a way that reminds me of what you said above about the music you heard in the Muslim Middle East.


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