A magnificent post by my choice for the next Prime Minister of Canada, Kathy Shaidle:
Blaming a local news report on a suspicious Muslim compound for the vandalism of a mosque, Nashville Somalis otherwise seem confused about stuff:"Muslims Go Home" and a Crusade-style cross were scrawled across the front of Al-Farooq Islamic Center on Nolensville Road, says Salaad Nur, a spokesman. (...)
That right there is suggestive of fakery. The Crusades, as we know, are very much on the minds of Muslims, but it is highly doubtful that the racist Tennessee rednecks (so beloved of mainstream media myth) who are supposed to have done this would know or care what a "Crusade-style cross" looks like. The cross that was painted on the mosque doesn't look like the crosses you see in the local churches in Nashville.
The article Shaidle quotes goes on to get entangled in an obvious contradiction:
"It's unexpected," he adds. "The only thing I can think of is the sensationalized reporting [by Channel 5] over Sunday and Monday. That's the only thing I can think of. Even after 9/11 we have never had any vandalism." (...)In an email to the media, Elias Feghali of the Tennessee Immigrant and Refugee Rights Coalition says:
"This event is particularly troubling as it comes on the heels of a sensationalist report by News Channel 5 this past weekend about a long-time Muslim community in Dover, TN, who they initially insinuated as having links to terrorists (link). The Muslim community in TN has faced what seems like an onslaught of hatred and violence since 9/11, from individuals and groups determined to enforce their rigid worldviews on a peaceful Muslim Americans.
Besides the contradiction -- get your story straight, fellas -- note that Nur and Feghali both claim that the attack was "backlash" after an article exposing the terror ties of a local Muslim community. The subtext is: Don't investigate mosques for terror ties. If you do, you will be charged with racism, bigotry, and even worse: incitement to violence.
That's why CAIR and others have not hesitated to stoop even to fabricating "hate crimes." They want and need hate crimes against Muslims, because they can use them to shift the focus away from Muslims as perpetrators of violence to Muslims as victims of violence, needing special concessions and privileges to protect them from that violence. "Hate crimes" are also useful to Islamic pressure groups as weapons to intimidate people into remaining silent about the jihad threat.
Was this one faked? I don't know. But it certainly smells.
Quite the elaborate cross. They must have lingered on that for a while. I guess there didn't seem any sense of urgency.
I dunno. Shaidle will not likely ever be Prime Minister. Canadians don't like to go without their daily dose of condescending blather and lies. The opposition Liberal leader Ignatieff (Count Iggy) says "we want to promote maternal and child health around the world," er, kill babies in the developing world. Yup, abortion. So Shaidle, you're done before you start.
Sounder, Kathy Shaidle is not running for Prime Minister. That was just my attempt at a little joke.
Cordially
Robert Spencer
Backlash against Muslims? Let's see, between trying to make a living, doing my taxes, dealing with the economy, keeping an eye on my elderly mother, communicating with my grown kids, fighting jihad, attending tea parties and shoveling snow, when the heck would I have time to "attack" Muslims? And why would they need me to? They're perfectly capable of handling the attack, the accusations and the press all on their own.
I know! The Knights Templar did it! It's the only explanation!
Thank you Robert. I do know. I was being facetious. It's Friday.
Robert
That cross is a Ethiopian Orthodox cross that would be common in Eritria and Ethopia. Funny how it ended up on a Somalis mosque, since Somalis would be most familiar with east African Christian symbols. Something stinks.
"While the Crusades, as we know, are very much on the minds of Muslims, but it is highly doubtful that the racist Tennessee rednecks (so beloved of mainstream media myth) who are supposed to have done this would know or care what a "Crusade-style cross" looks like."
That was my very thought before I saw that sentence in the post. Ignorant racist rednecks are unlikely to even know what the Crusades were (that would require reading and study), much less be able to draw a symbol of them. It's like people who try to hide their agenda by saying things like "such and such is not my issue but" (hinting that they have no dog in the fight and are just an average bloke on the subject) and then go on to rant about minutia that only a well-versed ideologue could be familiar with.
It is perfectly logical to consider that the Somali Mohammedans did this. As pointed earlier in the posts that this is an Ethiopian Orthodox cross, it would be familiar with Somali Mohammedans. They would use this to deceive infidels in thinking that the Mohammedans are victims, and cast further confusion and doubt into the minds of non Muslims. Mohammedans are very great at the art of blaming non Muslims and deflecting the spot light onto non Muslims. War is Deception.
Just one more thought
Many Oromo christians and Ahmahara get this same cross tattooed on their forehead. The somali are related to the Oromo, and would have seen these quite a bit on christian womens foreheads. Oromo also share mosques with somalis in the us. I would love to see the grammer on the graffiti.
It is the Georgian flag. Look for some Caucasian suspects!
Yeah, I'll bet there are a ton of those nasty Ethiopian Orthodox Christians living in the Nashville suburbs. Don't we import them just like we import Somali Muslims?
There is no doubt a display of sickening "solidarity with our Muslim brothers" by various people who know nothing, and want to know nothing, about Islam. There are two possibilities. One is that this is was one more in a long line of manufactured-by-Muslims themselves victimization events, in order to win points. Another is that it was not the work of Muslims, but possibly of those most familiar with that kind of cross -- black African Christians, from Ethiopia or Sudan, for example. Now if turned out to be one among them, would those now so outraged about this be quite so outraged? Would they ask themselves, or allowed others to ask the question, if perhaps it was not a program on Channel 5 in Tennessee that may have prompted the painting of those crosses, but an end-of-my-tether fury over Muslims who had killed or been responsible for the deaths of 2 million black African Christians (and some animists) in the southern Sudan, and constant aggression, by Muslims, against Christians wherever, in black Africa, they think they can get away with it -- it's started up, for example, in Kenya.
What if the crosses were (just possibly) not painted by Muslims themselves, but by those who had suffered from Muslim massacres? Would that make a difference? And do those so solemnly declaring their "solidarity" in Nashville actually know what is in the Qur'an and Hadith? When others warn them that Islam is a violent and aggressive ideology, that preaches permanent war against Infidels (though not always open warfare), is this something they think is a matter of no moment? If it were not a mosque but a Neo-Nazi center, preaching the same kind of implacable hate against groups of people, would that be meet with the same fury against those who had defaced the wall of Neo-Nazis? Why do some who know nothing about Islam think they can automatically defend it, as if merely calling it a "religion" (a misnomer, for Islam is far more than a religion, it is a collectivist faith, with a politics and a geopolitics that can be studied, and that can be understood) is enough to allow it to avoid being subject to critical inspection?
"Was this one faked? I don't know. But it certainly smells."
Hey at least you never actually said it was faked but then again Muslims are ordered to lie (Koran and Hadith) and Muslims have been known to lie about stuff like this in the past (again you're not saying this is the case here)
"That right there is suggestive of fakery. The Crusades, as we know, are very much on the minds of Muslims, but it is highly doubtful that the racist Tennessee rednecks (so beloved of mainstream media myth) who are supposed to have done this would know or care what a "Crusade-style cross" looks like."
Thats what I call strong evidence but hey, you never actually said it was fake and the comments which will inevitably scream out " taqqiya!!" are not your responsibility.
Man, I cant believe I didnt stop Hugh's justification (just in case Muslims did it):
"What if the crosses were (just possibly) not painted by Muslims themselves, but by those who had suffered from Muslim massacres? Would that make a difference? And do those so solemnly declaring their "solidarity" in Nashville actually know what is in the Qur'an and Hadith?"
Thats what awesome about jihadwatch, it really doesnt matter anymore whether Muslims are guilty or not, they can only be guilty.
Man, I cant believe I didnt spot Hugh's justification (just in case Muslims didnt do it):
"What if the crosses were (just possibly) not painted by Muslims themselves, but by those who had suffered from Muslim massacres? Would that make a difference? And do those so solemnly declaring their "solidarity" in Nashville actually know what is in the Qur'an and Hadith?"
Thats what awesome about jihadwatch, it really doesnt matter anymore whether Muslims are guilty or not, they can only be guilty.
The poster above seems to think that the word "religion" can simply be invoked, and then we can all just go home, well-satisfied with that comforting notion (to those who think the word "religion" should command immediate respect). But Islam is, as I wrote above, quite different, a Total Belief-System that offers a Complete Regulation of Life, one that is collectivist, requiring the Believer to offer his loyalty, his sole loyalty, to Islam (I have noted that in Islam the true object of worship is Islam itself), and to fellow members of the Umma. It is impossible for a True Believer to be loyal to an Infidel nation-state. Only to the extent that someone calling himself a Muslim ignores much of Islam can he possibly even pretend outwardly to fit into a non-Muslim society, much less accept it inwardly. Why are we to ignore this? Why are we to ignore the texts of Islam?
What does the poster above, were he not a Muslim, think one might reasonably conclude about such passages -- there are so many of them -- as 9.5 and 9.29? Shall I list five dozen more? Shall I go into the Hadith -- they've been put up, the most dangerous-for-Infidels Hadith -- here many times, and now they are only a click away for any non-Muslims who wants to see them.
My point was obvious, and hardly controversial: if Sudanese or Ethiopian or other black Africans, most familiar with the cross in its Ethiopian Coptic form (you don't have to consult withe the Abuna on this, you need only do a little Internet research), having endured terrible things from Muslims back in Africa, now regard, with justified alarm, the appearance of mosques and aggressive Muslims (or those who use wiles and guiles --= see Awadh A. Binhazim, Ph.D. who recently let down, upon repeated questioning, his guard, in a display that shall prove useful).
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Pretend, poster above, that you are not Muslim but a non-Muslim. What would you make, knowing what you know, of the texts and tenets of Islam? Not what you pretend, for Infidels still too powerful, but what you know.
"Pretend, poster above, that you are not Muslim but a non-Muslim. What would you make, knowing what you know, of the texts and tenets of Islam? Not what you pretend, for Infidels still too powerful, but what you know."
I would do my best to remove every single vector of this evil ideology from my land. This is, of course, what you are advocating, even if it seems Mr. Spencer's asked you to cool it on the benes decree.
This is what I posted on your thread a few months ago: "So, within our midst, we have an overwhelming majority of Muslims who are our sworn enemy dedicated to overthrowing our political system and killing all those who refuse to submit to Islam. Then we have a tiny minority (a handful as you put it) of cultural muslims who are by definition impotent, cannot be trusted (because of taqqiya its impossible to tell who belongs to the handful and who belongs to the overwhelming majority), who are at risk of radicalization (because they havent completely jettisoned Islam) and whose children would in any case be a potential threat in the future (second and third generation muslims returning to the true faith).
On top of that, they are multiplying faster than any other groups (the demographic weapon), reforming Islam is impossible and time is running out.
I wonder what the logical solution is?"
What is your answer, if I may ask?
"It is perfectly logical to consider that the Somali Mohammedans did this. "
You know what's amazing? on some Muslim site right now, someone is saying the jews were behind 911.
1)No one has asked me to stop discussing the Benes Decree(or rather, one of the Benes Decrees). I expect I will refer to it, as an example of what an advanced Western democracy chose to do, without anyone objecting then or now, in circumstances that certainly justified it.
2) Your summary of my views in the post just above is so inaccurate, mendacious,and even hysterical, that it would be pointless to try to discuss matters on the basis of that damning caricature. So I won't.
"Then we have a tiny minority (a handful as you put it) of cultural muslims who are by definition impotent..."
I'm so glad you brought that up. From an email I received the other day:
A German's point of view on Islam
A man whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War II owned a number of large industries and estates. When asked how many German people were true Nazis, the answer he gave can guide our attitude toward fanaticism.
'Very few people were true Nazis 'he said,' but many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of the world had come. My family lost everything. I ended up in a concentration camp, and the Allies destroyed my factories.'
We are told again and again by 'experts' and 'talking heads' that Islam is the religion of peace, and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace.
Although this unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the specter of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam. The fact is the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history.
It is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting wars worldwide. It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or honor kill. It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque. It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims and homosexuals. The hard quantifiable fact is the 'peaceful majority', the 'silent majority', is cowed and irrelevant.
Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who wanted to live in peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant. China's huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people.
The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a warmongering sadist. Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians; most killed by sword, shovel, and bayonet.
And, who can forget Rwanda, which collapsed into butchery. Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were 'peace loving'?
History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our powers of reason we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points: Peace loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence. Peace loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don't speak up, because like my friend from Germany, they will awaken one day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun.
Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghanis, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late.
As for us, who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the only group that counts: The fanatics who threaten our way of life.
Lastly, at the risk of offending, anyone who doubts that the issue is serious and just deletes this email without sending it on, is contributing to the passiveness that allows the problems to expand. So, extend yourself a bit and send this on and on and on! Let us hope that thousands, world wide, read this - think about it - and send it on.
This is really why our troops are overseas protecting our shores.
I say the Muslim Somalis perpetrated this hoax.
So, let's wait and see what happens.
Anyone wanna make a bet?
Alternatively, it looks like the Jerusalem style Cross used by far-right wing groups like the Episcopalians. The Muslims better watch out, they might come under the wrath of Rowan Williams.
I just read on the Nashville "Tennessean" in someone's comment to the story that a video camera trained on the mosque just happened to be out for "repairs" on the night of the "vandalism!"
It's funny how the Somalis actually thought they could "put one over" on the Infidel!
It's not a "crusade-style" or "Jerusalem-style" cross. It's a Jerusalem cross, folks. Just Google it and you can see a grip of 'em.
The cross was on the papal banner given by Urban II to the original crusaders and was symbolic of the Latin kingdom of Jerusalem.
Thus the group most likely to be familiar with the icon would be Mohammedans, for whom it inspires much like turbans with protruding ordinance.
Since I haven't posted here (or almost anywhere) in way over a year (but I'm here each and every day) let me just take this opportunity to extend my best wishes to all.
HAID
Haid,
Great to hear from you. Your wisdom has been missed.
Best to you as well...
4infidels
Today there is only one country flying a flag with an arrangement of crosses like the ones sprayed on the mosque:
Georgia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_(country)
My guess: Mohammedans just googled on "Google images" for "crusader flag", came up with it and off went their spray can.
Just try it:
http://images.google.de/images?hl=de&resnum=0&q=%22crusader+flag%22&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=spt2S_-GI4uD_Ab92qSxCg&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CBMQsAQwAA
"2) Your summary of my views in the post just above is so inaccurate, mendacious,and even hysterical, that it would be pointless to try to discuss matters on the basis of that damning caricature. So I won't."
Just tell me where you disagree, thats all.
I believe I have accurately presented your position on Islam and Muslims. If I havent, please let me know.
mp11 argues in the characteristically fallacious style of taqiyya practiced ubiquitously among Muslim propagandists stationed here in the West. He constructs a straw man then falsely attributes it to his opponent before knocking it down. Note that he never challenges actual quotations from the Koran or the Ahadith, or the reliance on those passages by the historically aggressive Muslims waging over 1300 years of jihad against the rest of humanity.
An apologist he is not; mp11 is an enemy agent intent on destroying the West and globally subjugating the kaffur under Dar al Islam. The United States is the one nation that presents the greatest obstacle to the designs of the Umma in carrying out Mohamed's deathbed proclamation to fight all men until they say there is no god but Allah. As an obvious member of al-Ikhwan, mp11 is just doing his part.
It is sad, but it now wouldn't bother me if they kicked every last one of this cult's members out of any country anywhere near me. I thought I had tolerance for different ways of life, but no, now I am through with any tolerance for these nuts. I am tired of hearing only lies and seeing only evasive behaviour anymore.
We need one of those high tech Star Trek devices to translate what these muslims are saying.
(translation in parentheses)
"We are a religion of peace"
(until we are cutting off your heads)
"We don't teach violence or hatred to our children"
(we'll teach them whatever the hell we want and just lie to you about it)
"We are simply misunderstood"
(No really, we are mistunderstood, what sane person could possibly make sense of this convoluted mumbo-jumbo, hell, we don't even understand most of it ourselves)
"Listen, we are not lying to you, we are a peaceful religion, everthing is the Jews fault, we want to have interfaith discussions, hey look over there!...."
(blah blah blah blah blah blah....)
My kids at the age of one made more sense.