North Carolina: Muslim 8th-grade teacher says it was a "hate crime" that students left a Bible on her desk

"What if this teacher wasn't a Muslim, but rather a Jew, Buddhist, Hindu or some other religion?"

Hmmmm, let's see now.

Last I heard Judaism, Buddhism, and Hinduism don't contain Jihad doctrines that say to kill every non-Jew, non-Buddhist, or non-Hindu.

Yet, here's Islam:

"Kill non-Muslims wherever you find them. Lie in wait and ambush them, seize and capture them using every stratagem of war." - Q 9:5

Like Frost's "road less traveled," the Jihad doctrine in Islam makes all the difference. There shouldn't be any Muslim teachers in America.

Also, I don't consider Islam to be a "religion." I consider it to be a Fascist/Nazi political ideology, as MANY do.

"Islam is a revolutionary faith that comes to destroy any government made by man. Islam doesn’t look for a nation to be in a better condition than another nation. Islam doesn’t care about the land or who owns the land. The goal of Islam is to rule the entire world and submit all of mankind to the faith of Islam. Any nation or power that gets in the way of that goal, Islam will fight and destroy. In order to fulfill that goal, Islam can use every power available every way it can be used to bring worldwide revolution. This is Jihad. "

-Sayeed Abdul A'la Maududi, ‘Jihad in Islam’

Excellent point, but let us all remember that Muslims use our laws to shut down debate about Islam and to elevate Islam above all other religions in terms of "rights" and "privileges".

I feel that in this case, the Muslim perp is using a minor incident to make the extraordinary claim of being a "victim" of a "hate crime".

We all get bothered by over zealous missionaries, but one of my old friends had a unique solution. He had an excellent view of his front walkway up to his house and the street that it led to. If he saw some door-to-door evangelical missions in progress, he would take all his clothes off, throw open his front door when the missionaries approached and shout "What the hell do you want!".

He claims that it cut down on religiously motivated visits as well as door-to-door salesman.

"but since their religion demands that they spread the word and convert all non-believers,"

The Christians who you claim that where taunting were not following what the Bible,which is the authority and foundation for the Christian faith, instructs
 concerning what is called witnessing to others about the Lord jesus Christ.

It is the duty of all true Christians to spread the good news of the gospel of Christ.

This is always to be done in a peaceful way with love and patience.

For your information I am a Christian Chaplain and I have Jewish ancestry.

I would like to know specifically how you were taunted.

Being someone with Jewish ancestry and also a Christian Pastor I have experienced a fair amount of anger and even hatred from Jews do to my Christian life.

There is a great distinction between how Christians bring the message of the gospel and the violent ways of the followers of Islam. They are as different as night and day or shall I say as darkness and light.

God the Father sent His son The Lord Jesus Christ to die on the cross for the sins
of many,to open the Kingdom of Heaven and to give eternal life to the church which
is the body of Christ.

Allah, the Devil himself and his false prophet, Mohammed teach the faithful Muslim to
to send their children to die and in the process murder the innocent.

Christ came to give life.

Mohammed came to destroy life.

Dary, with all due respect, you're not a member of a religious or ethnic minority that has to deal with insulting behavior on a regular basis.

ChristianSoldier, please, go somewhere else if you want to exercise your right to a bully pulpit. This is not a site which aims at religious indoctrination, bullying, preaching, etc. There are many such places which might cater to your needs.JIHADWATCH is not one of them.

Jim,

I am well-aware of the hatred that Jews have endured in the world. The Holocaust comes to mind. So does the mass-murder of the Jewish tribes in Mecca by Mohammed. And, Jesus was a Jew.

It's disgusting and horrible. It's true I'm a Christian but I have NEVER perpetrated anything like the examples you cite above and never would. That kind of behavior is anathema to me. I have NO bias against Jews or against people of any other religion.

But, Islam? That's not a religion. That's a 7th century AD Fascist/Nazi political ideology with a token moon god invented by a Warlord to get "Prophethood," personal power, and material gain. Mohamet was a self-proclaimed prophet. Self-proclaimed. Just that alone tells you the whole mess is fakery.

Islam is my enemy, and I consider Muslims to be my enemy as they follow the "Infidel"-hating genocidal ideology of Islam. I loathe and despise Islam, just as I loathe and despise Fascism and Nazism.

But anyway, what's your point about my never having to deal with insults on a regular basis?

One the greatest things to do is bring the message of salvation, that is the forgiveness of sin through the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ to others .

This should always be done with love and patience. That is the true way of the Jesus Christ.

Never with threats or intimidation and certainly never with violence.

Those that have done this, whether they be individuals or and organized church are an abomination to God and completely contrary to Biblical doctrine.

I can tell you that just speaking to Jews about the Lord Jesus Christ in a very peaceful way can bring out a lot of hostility and anger. It is unfortunate many Jews misunderstand the Christian faith.

This is possibly do to the prevalence of anti-semitism from various Churches
going back many centuries, the Catholic church being one of the worst, although the
Catholic church has since apologized for this

The Christian faith began with the Jews. The Lord jesus Christ was of the house and lineage of the great Jewish king,David and Christ was of the Tribe of Judah

All the apostles were Jewish and the first followers ,as recorded in the book of Acts
were Jews.

"ChristianSoldier, please, go somewhere else if you want to exercise your right to a bully pulpit. This is not a site which aims at religious indoctrination, bullying, preaching, etc. There are many such places which might cater to your needs.JIHADWATCH is not one of them."

Who are you to tell me to go elsewhere?

First, I come here to Jihad Watch with the intention of making a positive contribution
which on many occasions I believe that I have.

Second, I do not come here to, as you say "indoctrination, bullying"

I come here to speak the TRUTH! and if any statements that I have made concerning the Christian faith bother you, that is your problem!

It is clear that you have a strong aversion to the Christian faith. I became aware of this from some of your previous posts.

Third, there has been since the 7th century and there certainly is now great violent persecution against Christians coming from Islam and thank God Mr. Spencer has the
courage to publicize this important information.

You have a Fascist/Islamist type mentality wanting to silence me. This will never happen!

America thank God, still is a free and sovereign nation.

Christian Soldier and others with a similar approach, Jim has made a very valid point, and with dignity and restraint. You may consider backing off a little.

I think we all can take a lead from the way in which Robert, a Christian, and Hugh, I suspect a confirmed atheist, interact with each other, contribute to and administer this site. No rancour, no continuous pushing of their religious views or lack of them. Just a steady and unrelenting focus on the issue that concerns us all.

Jihad.

" I'm an atheist myself and overly aggressive Christians make me just as sick as most Muslims."

BTW are you and the other Christian haters here at Jihad Watch aware that Robert Spencer wrote a book entitled :

Religion of Peace?: Why Christianity Is and Islam Isn't.

Here is some information that should enlighten you about the stark differences between
Islam and Christianity.

A Contrast Between
Mohammed and Jesus Christ

Mohammed was the prophet of war; Christ is the Prince of Peace (Isaiah 9:6-7).

Mohammed's disciples killed for the faith; Christ's disciples were killed for their faith (Acts 12:2; 2 Tim. 4:7).

Mohammed promoted persecution against the "infidels"; Christ forgave and converted the chief persecutor (1 Tim. 1:13-15).

Mohammed was the taker of life; Christ is the giver of life (John 10:27-28).

Mohammed and his fellow warriors murdered thousands; Christ murdered none but saved many (compare John 12:48).

Mohammed's method was COMPULSION; Christ's aim was voluntary CONVERSION (Acts 3:19).

Mohammed practiced FORCE; Christ preached FAITH (John 6:29,35).

Mohammed was a WARRIOR; Christ is a DELIVERER (Col. 1:13; 1 Thess.1:10).

Mohammed conquered his enemies with the sword; Christ conquered his enemies with another kind of sword, the sword of the Spirit which is the Word of God (Heb. 4:12; Acts 2:37).

Mohammed said to the masses, "Convert or die!"; Christ said, "Believe and live!" (John 6:47; 11:25-26).

Mohammed was swift to shed blood (Rom. 3:15-17); Christ shed His own blood for the salvation of many (Eph. 1:7).

Mohammed preached "Death to the infidels!"; Christ prayed "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do" (Luke 23:34).

Mohammed declared a holy war (Jihad) against infidels; Christ achieved a holy victory on Calvary's cross (Col. 2:14-15) and His followers share in that victory (John 16:33).

Mohammed constrained people by conquest; Christ constrained people by love (2 Cor. 5:14).

Modern terrorists derive their inspiration from Mohammed and carry out their despicable atrocities in the name of his god Allah; Christians derive their inspiration from the One who said, "Blessed are the peacemakers" (Matthew 5:9).

Some modern day disciples of Mohammed responded to the terrorist attacks by cheering in the streets; modern day disciples of Christ are deeply grieved at past atrocities carried out by those who were "Christians" in name only (the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, etc.).

Many Muslims are peaceful and peace-loving because they do not strictly follow the teachings of their founder; many Christians are peaceful and peace-loving because they do strictly follow the teachings of their Founder (Rom. 12:17-21).

Mohammed called upon his servants to fight; Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world; if My kingdom were of this world, then would My servants fight . . .but now is My kingdom not from here" (John 18:36)

Mohammed ordered death to the Jews (see A.Guillaume, The Life of Muhammad, Oxford University Press [1975], p. 369); Christ ordered that the gospel be preached "to the Jew first" (Rom. 1:16).

The Koran says, "Fight in the cause of Allah" (Qu'ran 2.244); the Bible says, "we wrestle not against flesh and blood" and "the weapons of our warfare are not carnal" (Eph. 6:12; 2 Cor. 10:4).

The Koran says, "Fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them" (Qu'ran 9.5); Christ said, "Preach the gospel to every creature" (Mark 16:15).

The Koran says, "I will inspire terror into the hearts of unbelievers" (Qu'ran 8.12); God inspires His terror (fear, reverential awe) into the hearts of believers (Isaiah 8:13).

The Koran (Qu'ran) is a terrorist manual which condones fighting, conflict, terror, slaughter, and genocide against those who do not accept Islam; the Bible is a missionary manual to spread the gospel of peace to all the world (Rom. 10:15).

Mohammed's Mission was to conquer the world for Allah; Christ's mission was to conquer sin's penalty and power by substitutionary atonement (2 Cor. 5:21; 1 Pet. 3:18).

Mohammed considered Christ a good prophet; Christ pronounced Mohammed to be a false prophet (John 10:10; Matt. 24:11).

Mohammed claimed that there was but one God, Allah; Christ claimed that He Himself was God (John 10:30-31; John 8:58-59; John 5:18; John 14:9).

Mohammed's Tomb: OCCUPIED!
Christ's tomb: EMPTY!

I’m with you on this one. Those who would bemoan this and parallel discrimination they have also endured in the South doesn’t fit into this picture. These are “kids” acting out, and the teacher, who is supposed to be the “adult” is obviously too immature to be in a position of educational responsibility.

Guess it was better that it was her thin skin that gave out first rather than her “snapping” in a more appropriate Quranic inspired method towards her infidel filled classroom.

I’m with you on this one. Those who would bemoan this and parallel discrimination they have also endured in the South doesn’t fit into this picture. These are “kids” acting out, and the teacher, who is supposed to be the “adult” is obviously too immature to be in a position of educational responsibility.

Guess it was better that it was her thin skin that gave out first rather than her “snapping” in a more appropriate Quranic inspired method towards her infidel filled classroom.

I’m with you on this one. Those who would bemoan this and parallel discrimination they have also endured in the South doesn’t fit into this picture. These are “kids” acting out, and the teacher, who is supposed to be the “adult” is obviously too immature to be in a position of educational responsibility.

Guess it was better that it was her thin skin that gave out first rather than her “snapping” in a more appropriate Quranic inspired method towards her infidel filled classroom.

I’m with you on this one. Those who would bemoan this and parallel discrimination they have also endured in the South doesn’t fit into this picture. These are “kids” acting out, and the teacher, who is supposed to be the “adult” is obviously too immature to be in a position of educational responsibility.

Guess it was better that it was her thin skin that gave out first rather than her “snapping” in a more appropriate Quranic inspired method towards her infidel filled classroom.

The fact is that there are those who are offended by any references to the Christian faith
being posted here at Jihad Watch.

There are many others that are not and in fact there are those that appreciate them.

Knowing that Christians are primary targets for violent persecution from Islamic-
fascists,do to their Christian faith and that this website almost daily publishes these accounts combined with the fact the Mr. Spencer has written an important book titled:
Religion of Peace?: Why Christianity Is and Islam Isn't.

This is an appropriate forum to make statements concerning Christianity when there is an article that is about Christians.

I have noticed that when verses from the Bible are posted here atheists and other non-Christians go on the attack.This is unfortunate

The war that we are fighting is in large part is a war by Islam against the Judeo-Christian world.

Sorry, Medina not Mecca.

Right, in Mecca Mo was still peaceful.

After his "hejira," to Medina, Mo abrogated the peaceful Meccan verses, superseding them with the violent Medinan "verses of the sword."

Ironically, my very favorite Joni Mitchell album is "Hejira." I knew nothing, of course, about Islam when that album appeared. And the title doesn't affect the fabulous songs in any way. Still, what irony!

"...those who are Christian, while members of a faith which calls for high standards of behaviour and morality, are known to fall short of those ideals at times (heil hitler).

Stephen, Hitler did not identify himself as a Christian. He was more of a pagan, and thought highly of Islam. He considered Christianity "weak."

Darcy, with all due respect, you're not a member of a religious or ethnic minority that has to deal with insulting behavior on a regular basis.

"Yes she is, she's a Judeo-Christian. And if what's been going on in the West the past 20 yrs hasn't been insulting behavior on a regular basis then I don't know what it is."

Good one, APF.

Right, only that my Western civilization is being appropriated and destroyed by a bunch of polygamous over-breeding "infidel"-hating mass-murdering 7th century AD Barbarians.

Nothing to be insulted by.

Storm, you nailed it. Kids can be pretty cruel--and they have an amazing faculty for sensing the weak spots / hot buttons & boring in on them. Here's to bet she was distant, thin-skinned, doctrinaire, arrogant, intolerant, humorless, vengeful. The bottom line, though, as you pointed-out, was that she wasn't sufficiently mature to handle the situation. But even though she's apparently a convert, I think her "muslimness" had a detrimental hand in her behavior. She probably wished she could be teaching in Saudi Arabia or Pakistan, where all the above-listed qualities would be celebrated rather than sanctioned.
I think she should be encouraged to make this career-move...firing her would be a great start!

"Your last comment addressed another commenter as a 'Christian hater'
because of a remark about, not Christians, but 'overly aggressive' Christians."

"Is this how you would categorize all of us who normally find Christians to be congenial people but who would dislike anyone 'overly aggressive' of whatever creed, which would probably include many of us here?"

"The term 'Christian hater' was used in regard to those that have displayed their
strong dislike and aversion when Christian doctrine and verses from the Bible
have been posted."

I certainly do not categorize all non-Christians in this manner.

If verses from the Bible are posted or there is a discussion concerning certain aspects of the Christian faith, is this to be considered "overly aggressive'" , I think not.

If someone posted information about Hinduism, Buddhism or Judaism I wonder how many here would rise up to oppose it.

If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.

If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
John 15 : 18,19

I

Christian soldier wrote:

If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.

If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
John 15 : 18,19

It's just something in the smarmy attitude that does it.

"There is a "Please Support Melissa Hussain" facebook page. They are claiming that Melissa Hussain is the victim of right-wing fundamentalist bigotry/intolerance/ignorance and the school supported violation of church and state separation."

Here's what I say: Go f*** yourself "Melissa Hussain," you stupid imbecile convert to Barbaric Islam.

Can you speak English?

SHUT-UP, AND GET OUT OF OUR COUNTRY, ISLAMIC BARBARIAN.

I don't believe Jim Foster's account. It smacks of a contrived fiction, without the ring of truth, cobbled together to make the Leftist Atheist point of Equivalency. Unless he was recounting a teaching stint from rural Alabama in the 1930s, it beggars belief that teachers and administrators would behave so richly and brazenly; for, in fact, the American South has become thoroughly saturated with PC MC (or as some like to say in sloppier fashion, "liberal") values over the past 50 years or so.

It seems that, for some people at least, all one need do to pose as "intelligent" when one disagrees with another's opinion is to call the person "leftist" or "atheist" or, even better, say something like "leftist-atheist equivelance."

Hesperado, I really don't care what you think of my experiences. They happened; and they happened over a year's time in a large city in Texas. You don't know me. You don't know my experiences. They were actual incidents directed towards me by two fellow employees (one a Seventh Day Adventist minister from Angola and the other the school's community liason officer. The incidents were three in number and they stopped when I put my foot down, went over the principal's head, and demanded action from district authorities. Would you like a copy of the letter of apology that one had to write me before he was fired?

The fact is that there is discrimination in this country. That is why laws were passed to combat it. Having experienced it myself, I can empathize with the Muslims woman who claims it happened to her. Her mistake was in taking it to Facebook. Not a smart move.

I am neither an atheist nor a leftist. That you call me such things, and a liar on top of them, shows your lack of ethics and apparent difficulty in "playing well with others" in an adult venue.

My bad. I suppose that I should not question anything, but just bend like some cheep whore and do, say, and think whatever it is that some right-wing bullying clod orders me to think, do, or say.

Sad.

I find your story a little hard to believe, too; due to the fact that you seem like such a nice guy, so it's hard to imagine anyone being so cruel to you. Gosh, sorry this happened to you.

Christian soldier wrote:

If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.

If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
John 15 : 18,19

Jim,

I did not write this, God did. These are the words of the Lord Jesus Christ from the Bible.

Thanks for your support.

The peace of Christ be with you.

Defender of islam,

Look, you're in a tough venue here to be "defending islam." Most folks here (including me) think there's no defense for it.
Not to be piling-on, but I have 1 question for you. You said:

"Many people are comeing around to the islamist view of how to handle child raper
either you lock then up for the brest of they
life or you execute then."

Your "perfect man" Mohammed married a 6-year old girl. He consummated that marriage with her when she was age 9 years. Where I come from, we call that child rape.

Question: Should Mohammed have been locked-up for the rest of his life or executed?

A simple "yes" or "no" will suffice.

Thanks in advance...

G

"Question: Should Mohammed have been locked-up for the rest of his life or executed?"

Yes, to both!

Insomuch as many released felons have been converted to islame, you should look to islame for the children's protection.

Oh. Wait. You can't. Your pedophile prophet advocated and practiced rape on a daily basis.

Duh. It's in the quran, stupid...

DefenderofIslam wrote:

Many people are comeing around to the Islamist view of how to handle child raper either you lock then up for the brest of they life or you excute then.
....................

As poster George, above, mentioned, the "Prophet" Muhammed himself married little Aisha when she was six and raped her at nine. One of the first actions Iran's Ayatollah Khomeini took following the Islamic revolution there was to lower the marriage age to nine for girls.

In his "little green book", Khomeini also illustrated that it is perfectly acceptable for Muslim men to sexually satisfy themselves with very young children—even infants. The only caveat was that if they injure the child so badly that he or she would be damaged for life, that they support the child for life and refrain from marrying the child's sister.

And it is not only Iran where such things are sanctioned. Forced child marriage of girls as young as eight are common in Saudi Arabia and Yemen.

The sexual abuse of children if rife in the Muslim world, and is codoned at the highest levels.

Hi Champ,

I really hope that the Defender of islam will see fit to answer my question. I mean, since he's so concerned about child-rape and all...

G

Perhaps, but 36 Biblical references in one thread is about 33 more than I need.

Briefer postings with fewer copy and pastes have more impact.

Christian Soldier may have a point in adverting to the definition of "proselytize". Or, he may be being just a tad disingenuous in doing so. For, while ostensibly what he has been doing on this thread does not constitute prima facie examples of inducement or recruitment, it would be disingenuous of him to deny that he does not intend either or both of those.

However, that said, if he were being disingenuous, Christian Soldier wouldn't be the first person in this forum (including rather bright luminaries who, like Cy Sperling of the Hair Club for Men are both members and President) to try to stand on the ostensible prima facie denotation of words while unfairly dodging their connotation.

We can dance all day on the head of a pin discussing definitions.

It is instructive to search

At least 10 hits come up, all directly quoting but rarely crediting the long list of comparisons involving Christ and Muhammad, compiled by George Zeller and Steve Van Nattan.

Christian Soldier, one might uncharitably suggest, seems the latest in a tag team of tedious copy and pasters going back some five or six years, CS himself pasting five of these near identical lists this year alone.

Utterly counter-productive and diversionary from the task at hand.

Being on the agnostic side,I wouldn't be angry or offended
if someone proselytised to me or offered me a bible,koran
or any holy book or religious document.I read Awake magazine
whenever I spot an interesting article.Living in Western
society,you are not obliged to listen or convert.I don't see
why you are so upset by this.If you were living in a Muslim
country then there would be cause for worry.They convert by
the sword.This teacher showed intolerance to all other
points of view and religions that weren't hers.Good for those kids. Love it.

"They are claiming that Melissa Hussain is the victim of right-wing fundamentalist bigotry..."

Can a child who is too young to participate in politics be said to be a right-wing fundamentalist bigot? It sounds like Ms. Hussain's supporters are as looney as she is.

In my opinion Melissa Hussain should go back to school and relearn everything she has forgotten about the role of a teacher in a child's life. But... Seeking real solutions is too much of a hassle, I guess.

It's easier to play that victim card, and it's what everyone expects. What possessed her to think she wanted to teach actual children, in a real classroom?

In law school they hold moot courts, for fledgeling attorneys to get some practice. In cosmetology classes, the students practice styling, cutting, coloring, etc. on one another. In EMT and nursing schools, very sophisticated false limbs are used to learn what a vein feels like, and how to slide a needle into it. Tattoo artists generally have to tattoo themselves, before inking a customer.

Don't teachers have an arena for practice and problem solving? Don't they have to demonstrate an aptitude for the job, before they are given it?

"I wonder what, if anything, preceded the act of the Bible and Christmas card being left on the teacher's desk?"

Exactly!

Hello...Defender of islam...

I'm still waiting for your answer to my question above. I asked you the question
in a respectful way; please return the courtesy with a response. Should Mohammed
have been punished (imprisoned or executed) for his intimate relations with a 9 year-old child?
Yes or no?

Thanks,

G

"Perhaps, but 36 Biblical references in one thread is about 33 more than I need."

"Briefer postings with fewer copy and pastes have more impact."

The majority of the "36 Biblical references" that you refer to are contained in:

A Contrast Between
Mohammed and Jesus Christ

The "Contrast" is most appropriate do to the fact that often here at Jihad Watch there are those that incorrectly compare Christianity with Islam and this posting today was in direct response to "overly aggressive Christians make me just as sick as most Muslims."

Furthermore, the article on this thread "North Carolina: Muslim 8th-grade teacher says it was a "hate crime" that students left a Bible on her desk" is about "Christians",therefore
making reference to the Christian faith is in order.

Those that are offended by some Bible verses and discussion in regard to Christianity
are often atheists who have a distain for the things of God.

I posted this here before. I post it again for your benefit.

If someone posted information about Hinduism, Buddhism or Judaism I wonder how many here would rise up to oppose it.

"Christian Soldier may have a point in adverting to the definition of "proselytize". Or, he may be being just a tad disingenuous in doing so. For, while ostensibly what he has been doing on this thread does not constitute prima facie examples of inducement or recruitment, it would be disingenuous of him to deny that he does not intend either or both of those.?

Your above statement is a contradiction.
First you state that my posts here are not "proselytizing".
Then in the same sentence you strongly imply that my intention is to "proselytize".

Those that are offended by some Bible verses and discussion in regard to Christianity
are often atheists or agnostics who have a distain for the things of God.

I posted this here before. I post it again for your benefit.

If someone posted information about Hinduism, Buddhism or Judaism I wonder how many here would rise up to oppose it?

Darcy, got hate much?

ChristianSoldier, as a good American who was sworn to defend the Constitution, I'll defend your constitutional right to believe in any mythical being of your choice. That's a promise. Just don't let your fantasy life interfere with my freedoms to do otherwise.

Firstly...how would a Buddhist, Jew or Hindu react to the Bible being placed on her desk? Would any of them have freaked out and called it a hate crime? Would any Taoist, Bahai or Atheist have sent children to the office for asking about God? And would a muslim child placing a koran on the desk of a Christian teacher be considered a hate crime? Would the Christian teacher have even drawn attention to it? No. Nor would the Buddhist or the Jew or....
You condemn their action without knowing all the facts.
I shall now condemn the teacher without knowing all the facts...drawing instead from what I have seen in the past.

I'm willing to bet that the kids were fed up with islamic crap and this was their way of striking back.

"ChristianSoldier, as a good American who was sworn to defend the Constitution, I'll defend your constitutional right to believe in any mythical being of your choice. That's a promise. Just don't let your fantasy life interfere with my freedoms to do otherwise."

You truly have a hatred and a distain for Christianity.

The above statement of yours is insulting and hostile.

Insulting that is to your Creator.

"ChristianSoldier, please, go somewhere else if you want to exercise your right to a bully pulpit. This is not a site which aims at religious indoctrination, bullying, preaching, etc. There are many such places which might cater to your needs.JIHADWATCH is not one of them."

Your above post is filled with false accusations and is a clear attempt to silence me,
and you speak of freedom. You are a hypocrite!

Don't know much about a religion you intend to defend. That's funny!

From the writings of Robert Spencer...

"Finally, there is the bit about my spreading "lies about a nine year old getting married to Muhammed." It never ceases to amaze me how brazenly writers like this one (and some prominent Islamic apologists I have encountered) can deny elements of Islam that are taught in Islamic texts that Muslims consider authoritative. Muhammad's consummation of his marriage with Aisha when she was nine is in the hadith collection Muslims consider most reliable, Bukhari, several times: 5.48.234; 5.58.236; 7.62.64; 7.62.65; and 7.62.88.

What's more, it is clear that Muslims take this seriously and imitate Muhammad in this. Article 1041 of the Civil Code of the Islamic Republic of Iran states that girls can be engaged before the age of nine, and married at nine: “Marriage before puberty (nine full lunar years for girls) is prohibited. Marriage contracted before reaching puberty with the permission of the guardian is valid provided that the interests of the ward are duly observed.”

The Ayatollah Khomeini himself married a ten-year-old girl when he was twenty-eight. Khomeini called marriage to a prepubescent girl “a divine blessing,” and advised the faithful: “Do your best to ensure that your daughters do not see their first blood in your house.”

Time magazine reported in 2001: "In Iran the legal age for marriage is nine for girls, fourteen for boys. The law has occasionally been exploited by pedophiles, who marry poor young girls from the provinces, use and then abandon them. In 2000 the Iranian Parliament voted to raise the minimum age for girls to fourteen, but this year, a legislative oversight body dominated by traditional clerics vetoed the move. An attempt by conservatives to abolish Yemen’s legal minimum age of fifteen for girls failed, but local experts say it is rarely enforced anyway. (The onset of puberty is considered an appropriate time for a marriage to be consummated.)"

The United Nations Children’s Fund (UNICEF) reports that over half of the girls in Afghanistan and Bangladesh are married before they reach the age of eighteen. In early 2002, researchers in refugee camps in Afghanistan and Pakistan found half the girls married by age thirteen. In an Afghan refugee camp, more than two out of three second-grade girls were either married or engaged, and virtually all the girls who were beyond second grade were already married. One ten-year-old was engaged to a man of sixty".

Now...you were saying?
Here's another for ya. How do you feel about the Ayatollah Khowmeinis little green book of islamic jurisprudence? Are you OK with sodomizing babies? Sex with animals and such? Just wondering. The ayatoilet said it was acceptable. Where do you stand?

islam is a lie and
Truth is killing it.

"If someone posted information about Hinduism, Buddhism or Judaism I wonder how many here would rise up to oppose it."

I've no idea, but I wouldn't. So long as the information was concise and relevant.

But I would oppose it if it had been posted repetitively over five or six years, and five times this year by the same poster. And certainly if it was a clear paste, not original, and showed little evidence of any mental effort.

By the way, both Rev. Dr Patrick Sookhdeo and Rev. Dr Mark Durie have put out excellent short books on the God Allah Christ Mohammed differences. If you want to do something useful for your cause, I suggest you read them and post summaries in an appropriate thread, and I will gladly read them.

In the meantime, check my 6:51/6:56 post.

Uh, Defender, the Sahih al Bukhari and other ahadith collections, as well as contemporary biographers of Muhammed, state CLEARLY and in great DETAIL that Muhammed did indeed have sex with Aisha when she was nine years old.
Stating this is not true does not change the fact that it is.

ChristianSoldier, I will indeed always defend your right to believe in any mythical deity or ideology of your choice, as is your right as an American.

"But I would oppose it if it had been posted repetitively over five or six years, and five times this year by the same poster.'

Your above statement is in error.

I started posting commentary here at Jihad Watch only in the past few months.

Yes, I have posted "A Contrast Between Mohammed and Jesus Christ" and shall again
when deemed appropriate.

Thanks for the info concerning Rev. Dr Patrick Sookhdeo and Rev. Dr Mark Durie

May the grace of God and the peace of Christ be with you.

Your following type of statements "mythical deity or ideology of your choice,"
are truly getting tiring.Have you nothing better to contribute to his forum?

Some Southern city? I grew up in Alaska and moved to Florida where the newly integrated school was circled by 4 cop cars with 4 cops in each car carrying riot gear. Talk about culture shock.
I got hassled by white boys for havin' what can only be described as a 'Fro particularly the football team. One of 12 freaks in a school full of 1300 Rednecks and Blacks.
Nothing happened. A couple of fights. Someone was shot at the school across town.
However I was hassled on a regular basis by the football players, as were the rest of the "freaks". I recall a busload of little kids from some Church spitting at me and calling me names because of my hair. Such is life.
All it takes is to be different and pack mentality sets in. You happened to be Jewish. I had long hair. don't take it so personally. Clearly you did the right thing. The Hitler thing was totally unacceptable as was the rest of that crap.
No one in California would dare...

Are you somehow suggesting that the people in California are different/better or are they scared?
I was raised in a military home. The Old Man was stationed in Germany during the occupation and took the family to Auschwitz and other death camps. My family saw the ovens, the gas chambers, the mass graves. No form of prejudice was tolerated in our home. The consequences thereof can be...bad. Too bad the law has to come in to it.

islam is a lie and
Truth is killing it.

You seem unwillng to scroll up so here is the post I was referring to:

"It is instructive to search: jihadwatch prince of peace

At least 10 hits come up, all directly quoting but rarely crediting the long list of comparisons involving Christ and Muhammad, compiled by George Zeller and Steve Van Nattan.

Christian Soldier, one might uncharitably suggest, seems the latest in a tag team of tedious copy and pasters going back some five or six years, CS himself pasting five of these near identical lists this year alone.

Utterly counter-productive and diversionary from the task at hand."

This makes it very clear that you are far from being the first person to tediously post and paste the differences list.

But hopefully you will be the last.

'I do oppose relentless scripture dropping. It's dull and annoying."

Your above statement is a gross exaggeration.

"It's bigger than the issue of religion"

Whether or not you accept this. The fact is that this war of Islamic Fascism is a war against the Judeo-Christian world.

When the Israelites went into battle they went in the power and strength of the Lord!

The power of God is the greatest asset that we have to fight this evil.

Many of our American soldiers who are on the frontlines of this war are Bible believing Christians.

I know this to be, as I Minister to them.

Do not underestimate the workings of the Almighty.

I find it interesting that you are so fixated so disturbed by the posting that you keep referring to.

Are there not more important issues to focus on?

Defender,

First, thank you for your reply. I want to make sure I understand:

You are saying that reports that Mohammed engaged in sex with a 9-year old are false?
That these reports were made by enemies of islam or Mohammed? And that genuine scholars of islam know that these reports were false?

Do I have this correct?

May I direct your attention to Rasoulallah.net;
Under the chapter, "The Prophet as a Husband," subchapter, "The Prophets Wives:"

"She (Ayisha) was born in Makkah in the eighth year before al-Hijra. Prophet Mohammed married her the second year of aH"

"He (Mohammed) married me a seven-year old and consummated the marriage when I was nine years old."

I have more sources, but this is clearly a muslim website!

Please allow me re-phrase the question:

IF, just IF Mohammed had relations with a nine year old, would you, Defender of islam, consider that to be child-rape? I await your answer.

Thanks again for responding...

G

You clearly don't know Hesp all that well.. As far as I can tell you haven't been around here long enough to call anyone out on much of anything.
Let's not let these arguments and misunderstandings stand in the way of the advancement of our objective here. Simply to spread the Truth about islam.
I think we can all agree that all other differences should be set aside.
You insult and demean some here I would call friend. Some that, as well as can be determined over the 'net, I would go in to battle alongside. It takes years not a few weeks to know someone that well, through postings online.
You judged too quickly, and perhaps others as well. I haven't read all posts, but your post to defenderofbullshit...that's where it's at. I am no Christian. I have no religion. I'm agnostic myself but I to will defend all religions that suffer at the hands of islam.
islam is slavery, those that spread islam are slavers.

No islam...Know Peace.
Know islam...throw up.

I must most respectfully and regretfully disagree.
Christianity is not the most effective weapon against islam.

Truth is the blade that shall cleave islam into many pieces and disperse them to the wind.
Truth, quoting the koran, quoting the hadiths, exposing the sexual deviance, the ignorance, the Blood and Death that is islam is what will kill it...not references to or the influence of any other religion.
Free men are islams enemy. Once the slavery, the totalitarian nature of islam is exposed it shall die at the hands of freedom loving people.
"we are where we want to be" said the muslim troll when I pointed out its lack of freedom. Stockholm Syndrome. The desire to believe the koran when it tells you that you are superior to others, sex for death, all things forbidden on earth. These are the promises made to the ignorant. The slavery rears its ugly head later.
There is no weapon that will cut so cleanly and so completely as Truth. No quantity of quotes from the Bible or the Baghadvadgita will kill islam. Until the bullets start to zip by yer head, Truth is all we have.

islam is a lie and
Truth is killing it.

Coming from a Military family and as one who is a Chaplain for our Troops I am well aware of the importance for the weapons of war.

Unfortunately political correctness and liberal policies have infected our Armed Forces here in the US.

The new Rules of Engaguement ROE are a disgrace are causing more of our soldiers to be killed and wounded .

The current offensive in Helmand province, the town of Marjah, is a perfect example of how the Marines are constrained by these insane ROE's that put them in more jeopardy.

There is a war going and our soldiers are dying and sustaining serious injuries and many people in America could careless.

I have see first hand what this war is about and having spent much time with our wounded warriors, many of whom have lost limbs arms and legs from IED's,
I am well aware of the great necessity to fight and kill these Islamic-barbarians.

On the battlefield the presence of God is of the utmost importance for our Men and Women who are serving this nation, for no knows if they will be called to make the ultimate sacrifice.

You are quite right about the new ROE. Obama is the first anti-American President...hopefully the last.

When you find the image of Mao on an ornament hanging from the WH Christmas tree...you know the Republic is in trouble.

islam is a lie and
Truth is killing it.

Jim, got stupid much?

"Kill non-Muslims wherever you find them. Lie in wait and ambush them, seize and capture them using every stratagem of war." - Qur'an 9:5

That's "hate," Jim. You're not too bright, are you?

GET OUT OF OUR COUNTRY ISLAMIC BARBARIANS

AI - here's what you said to this "Jim Foster" character:

"You clearly don't know Hesp all that well.. As far as I can tell you haven't been around here long enough to call anyone out on much of anything...You insult and demean some here I would call friend. Some that, as well as can be determined over the 'net, I would go in to battle alongside. It takes years not a few weeks to know someone that well, through postings online."

Well said.

Learn anything, Foster?

"George He did not have sex with that 9 year old girl."

lol! And Clinton did not have sex with "that woman!"

Last time I checked...this was yesterday...Islam is a branch of the original Creation story...so...lol...she was taking offense to something she should be believing anyway...unless she doesn't believe that God created the world....I wonder if their are old earth Muslims...lol...

Amen!

Ignorance comes in many forms. According to the teachings of Christ, we are not to force the teachings of our Lord and Savior on anyone not willing to listen. So, for my fellow Christians, I apologize.

If the story is accurate however, the teacher did not experience anything close to what you experienced and she is an adult and seems to not have the maturity to deal with an 8th grade class that is concerned with A) the destination of her soul according to their beliefs and B) the direction of their country if we start instituting sharia law as has happened in western countries in Europe, not to mention the major league disasters in the Middle East.

My prayers are with you to experience continued tolerance.

Alaskan, may I be clear on the point that to defend oneself against someone who calls me a liar is not to "insult and defame." I would hope that we have tougher skins than that.

What is wrong is that anyone here should be subjected to being called "liar" for relating a personal story, or be insulted personally in any other way.

It does not seem that this site's purpose is to give a platform to trolls; I was always under the impression that adults can disagree and not engage in personal attacks. Calling someone a "liar" or "leftist" and engaging in personal insults makes the person doing it intellectually weak and is just plain annoying.

Neither should this place be a bully platform for people who might better take their interests to a house of worship where proselytism and religious spouting might be more appreciated.

Defender of Islam...

Could You explain this to me?... http://crombouke.blogspot.com/ Where does this attitude come from? That it is okay to rape a 2 1/2 year old girl for not converting. I'm not trying to beat up on a whole religion, but we hear stories about fears of abuse by kids that have converted to Christianity that they will be killed by their parents or their brothers or other family members for disgracing them. I know of no other religion that says this is okay, either in writing or even looks the other way. Certainly not in the 21st century.

You may feel you don't need them, but somebody does. And you have the option to skip them. Also, from an educational point of view, it is good to know where a person is deriving their viewpoint. Christian Soldier - Thanks for your postings.

I would love to have defenderofislam post the verses of the koran that support the rape and killing of non-converts. That would certainly liven up the discussion board.

OK, Defender of islam,

Between our language-barrier and the blizzard of posts on this thread it's not possible to have a dialogue here.

I'm not surprised that you would prevaricate rather than answer my question. The sad (and well-documented) truth, for you, is that Mohammed was, in fact, a pedophile (among other things). There's no way for you to reconcile
that fact with your stated concern and enmity for child-rapists. He's one of the bad guys against whom you are rightfully protecting your children! The prophet, your "perfect man."

As long as you refuse to confront this and all the unpleasant truths of islam, you will be part of the problem, a blind follower of an evil culture. Wilful ignorance and denial will not alter the truth--you would have to summon the courage to face it.

Perhaps one day you will find that courage & choose civilization over mindless barbarism.
For your sake I hope so...

Thanks again...

G

"I find you to be a rather unpleasant, intolerant, and judgemental person."

Funny, that remark reminds me of you. Do you own a mirror?

You are 100% correct.

There are many who claim to be Christians, but the truth is that they have never truly been saved.

They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
Titus 1:16

CS:

"Your above statement is a contradiction.
First you state that my posts here are not "proselytizing".
Then in the same sentence you strongly imply that my intention is to "proselytize"."

Not a contradiction. The definition you provided does not speak of intent. Therefore, if we imagine that proselytization according to the dictionary definition became a crime in our society, and we still had a healthy legal system of defendants' advocacy, then a clever lawyer could mount, and possibly succeed in, a defense based on persuading the jury that while your posts seem to represent proselytization, they do not constitute it because you did not have the intent to proselytize.

However, if someone (in reality in our time) who owns a private club or an Internet discussion forum doesn't even want anything that smacks of proselytization, even if the alleged proselytizer insists he had no intent to do so, then that decision would be up to that owner (or proxy, i.e., Marisol) of that private club or Internet discussion forum.

I mean, come on, a post like --

"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Romans 1:16"

-- at the very least reasonably smacks of proselytization. You could try to mount an argument that 1) you did not intend proselytization according to the dictionary definition; or you could even go further and try to argue that 2) that comment does not by itself, even prima facie, rise to the level of containing any elements of proselytization by which someone could even accuse you of covert intent. But what you could try to argue, and what the owner (or proxy) of an Internet discussion forum decides based on their impression of that comment, are two different things, and reasonably intelligent people will have different opinions about it. And if they decided it (and dozens of other similar comments) were sufficiently resembling proselytizing to be considered so, then that's that.

It's just my opinion, but I think they have a case; though on the other hand, like I said, it wouldn't be the first time that someone in this forum (including uppermost-echelon luminaries) insisted disingenuously that the evident connotative import of their locutions didn't exist, even when many people noticed, and then presented cogent counter-arguments supporting the reasonable impression that that import was as plain as the nose on one's face.

Hinduism and Buddhism are not philosophies/religions that proselytize. I would also probably be fascinated. I have a liking for most of the Hindu deities. Some of them are charming--Ganesha, Krishna, Shiva and Parvati, Ram and Sita and Ma Kali, of course. Then, my own personal favorite, a minor deity, who nevertheless has her own temple, Karni Mata, a patroness of rats.
++++++++++++++++++++++

I am a practising Hindu and I am impressed by your knowledge of Hindu Gods and Goddesses :)

You clearly have a fixation concerning the issue of "proselytizing".

To much time has already been devoted to this.

Furthermore if you think that posting any verses from the Bible constitutes aggressive
"proselytizing" then that is your mistake and certainly your problem.

It certainly appears that you are offended by the things of God set forth in the Christian Bible. That is unfortunate for you.

There are those here at Jihad watch that are not offended by the gospel of Christ and in fact there are those that appreciate it.

One thing your are correct about is that "I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ"
and I NEVER will be!

The grace of God and the peace of Christ be with you.

CS,

You clearly have a fixation concerning the issue of "proselytizing".

Not really; I may however sometimes get a little obsessive-compulsive about getting things right in a discussion/argument/debate.

Furthermore if you think that posting any verses from the Bible constitutes aggressive "proselytizing" then that is your mistake and certainly your problem.

I have already articulated at length my position, and your comment I just quoted demonstrates poor comprehension skills of my articulations, and I do not feel like repeating myself yet again.

It certainly appears that you are offended by the things of God set forth in the Christian Bible. That is unfortunate for you.

Nothing I have written on this thread indicates that I am offended by the things of God set forth in the Christian Bible -- unless, that is, you consider any criticism of you to be indissolubly fused with being offended by the things of God set forth in the Christian Bible. I'm not even that bothered by your posts that seem to convey proselytization; though it would begin to bother me if they became more fruitful and multiplied by many different posters -- not because I'm offended by anything Christian per se (though in the orbit of what constitutes Christianity there are floating around many interpretations which may or may not be orthodox Christian, and some of those I do find rather offending), but because it would distract from the mission of this site.

Same to you, Buster - and A LOT more.

YOU intolerant, unpleasant, and judgmental, "person."

Why don't you just go back under your rock? Good Riddance.

champ's remark to "Jim Foster":

"Funny, that remark reminds me of you. Do you own a mirror?"

Thank You, champ!

Who does this idiot "Foster" think he is? lol!

Oh, poor atheist hater, "Jim Foolster!"

Where's your mirror, Foolster?

"To "Jim Foster,"

Well, you stirred-up quite the little firestorm here, didn't you? You managed to get folks off-topic and set them off against one another. Congratulations--a muslim infiltrator could hardly have done better.

Who the hell are you to bust in here and insult the long-time devotees and posters on this site? To tell folks what they should and shouldn't post, to arrogantly define the site's purpose, to tell posters to take a hike, to render your "judgments" on them? Is this how you always operate? If so, then that provides some understanding to the negative behavior directed toward you in the past...at this point, you look to me like part of the problem..."

YES! Jim Foolster is a HUGE problem.

Yeah, who the hell are you, Foolster? You Creep. GOOD RIDDANCE.

"I was always under the impression that adults can disagree and not engage in personal attacks."

LOL! You are a hypocrite, Jim Foolster.

You personally attacked me! Therefore, YOU are NOT an "adult."

Indeed, you're a HYPOCRITE. HYPOCRITE. HYPOCRITE.

I'm a Christian, but I keep 2 little brass statues at work: Ganesh and Kali. Right by my register. Another JW (Jehovahs Witness, not JihadWatcher..lol..) she knocks them down sometimes. I take it in jest because otherwise, she's a sweetie... Now is that a "hate" crime? I think it would be more hateful of me to take umbrage!

I think this clueless should take a big lesson in life: Turn the other cheek. It's essential in life because without humility, there is only arrogance and sin.

Oopsie. Amend that to read "clueless teacher."

Dear Darcy,

I did not have sex with that girl, Miss Ayisha.

Regards,

Mohammed (PBUM)

"Dear Darcy,

I did not have sex with that girl, Miss Ayisha.

Regards,

Mohammed (PBUM)"

lol Good one, George.

I've been around long enough to know that cops do as they please and that jail personnel will kick your ass inside out any time they feel like it and get away with it.
I don't doubt your story. Individuals are much better people than crowds/mobs any day.
All things of a prejudicial nature are possible. Hell...go to Hawaii and get off the tour. Hit a deli and order up. Note how when a Samoan, Tongan or Asian enters, you got to the back of the line. That's how they treat whites. My Black friends tell me it's even worse for them.
The only thing that gets you any slack there is being from Alaska. Weird.

I'm feelin' kinda conflicted. I see in you a fellow anti-jihadist. Yet, you have made fun of, shown condescension for long time posters here that have my respect. Nothing unforgivable, not that my fogiveness has any merit or value.
I am afraid that wrong impressions have been given and made of what has been posted here from all involved...
Darcy is no hater. You might take a look at the archives and see that for yourself. Passionate yes. Pissed even at the cancer we see creeping in to our lives...as you appear to know...but no hater.
As for Hesperado. I've had issues with him on several occasions, or to be more accurate, he's had issues with some things I've posted. Doan matter. I've got his 6 because he's on "our" side, The anti-jihad side. Because he makes sense.
We need a do over I think. for whatever that's worth.

Am I wrong? Is Jim an asset or a liability? I see him as at least a possible asset...if we can get past this crap of tit for tat. I know...not that simple. heavy sigh...

islam is lie and
Truth is killing it.

"Am I wrong? Is Jim an asset or a liability? I see him as at least a possible asset...if we can get past this crap of tit for tat."

AI, I don't think you're wrong. I think you're right. Passions are inflamed easily and that's what's happened here. JW'ers are passionate in their beliefs; passionate about speaking against islame and then about their spiritual values. I believe it's only natural for things to get a little heated at times. It's happened to everyone here at least once or twice where. We're all human and we all have good days and bad days...

Hey, darcy! ...you're welcome :)

Jim Foster is a complete and total jackass ...and just to be clear, I was being sarcastic when I told him that I thought he was "a nice guy", etc, because I was only kidding. And if his story is true about the verbal abuse he supposedly encountered at work, then I bet he gave out MUCH worse than he got -- given the ugly remarks hes made here.

"Not really; I may however sometimes get a little obsessive-compulsive about getting things right in a discussion/argument/debate."

A little obsessive-compulsive? That is an understatement.

It is clear that you will continue this back and forth on to infinity.

"demonstrates poor comprehension skills of my articulations"

Your above statement has a tone of arrogance and is insulting.

"I'm not even that bothered by your posts that seem to convey proselytization; though it would begin to bother me if they became more fruitful and multiplied by many different posters --"

The mere mention of the Christian faith is "proselytization" according to you.

In regard to things of God and The Lord Jesus Christ multipliying here at Jihad Watch,
if it is the will of God it certainly shall happen. Have you not read the following:

For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:
So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
Isaiah 55 : 10,11

"not because I'm offended by anything Christian per se (though in the orbit of what constitutes Christianity there are floating around many interpretations which may or may not be orthodox Christian, and some of those I do find rather offending), but because it would distract from the mission of this site."

If you were not offended by the things of God and Christ, then you would spend your time more wisely instead of acting as a prosecutor desperately trying to win your case in a court of law.

Your fixation and obsession with whether or not I am proselytizing, clearly is a distraction , and therefore you are guilty of exactly what you accuse me of.

May the grace of God and the peace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with you.

Be careful posting all of those verses from the Bible.

Hesperado is on the warpath and you may very well be accused of proselytizing.

Go get 'm Darcy!

Romans 1:16 Brother, keep up the good work!

"Onward Christian soldiers marching off to war with the cross of Jesus going on before"

"Go get 'm Darcy!"

Thank You, Sir Knight - I will try.

And thanks champ, and Alaskan, who said,"Passionate yes. Pissed even at the cancer we see creeping into our lives."

Yep, that's me. That's champ, too, and *lots* of people here - "passionate and pissed." As well we should be. An accurate description.

How 'bout this: "Passionate, pissed - and proud of it!"

pros·e·ly·tize (prs-l-tz)

v. pros·e·ly·tized, pros·e·ly·tiz·ing, pros·e·ly·tiz·es

1. To induce someone to convert to one's own religious faith.

2. To induce someone to join one's own political party or to espouse one's doctrine.

v.tr.
To convert (a person) from one belief, doctrine, cause, or faith to another.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/proselytize

CS, in order to induce someone to convert to Christianity -- which by definition is what true proselytizing is -- then wouldn't you need to directly extend an invitation to posters here on JW to BECOME a Christian in order to attempt to convert them?

But I have not read any such comments, or invitations, coming from you; where you have invited posters here to become Christians, or where you have tried to convert anyone here. The only thing I'm reading from you are Bible verses and personal expressions about your love for God. Maybe I'm missing something, but I haven't run across these types of invitations in your comments.

What do you think?

Hear, hear, darcy! :)

Thank you for your support and for setting the record straight concerning my alleged "proselytizing".

With the great threat and danger that Islam poses to this world, my detractors time would be more well spent focusing on this abomination from Hell that seeks to destroy
us all.

Have not I commanded thee? Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the LORD thy God is with thee whithersoever thou goest.
Joshua 1 : 9

May the grace of God and the peace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with you.

Sincerely,

Christian Soldier

"May the grace of God and the peace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with you."

Thank you, Christian Soldier! ...to you and yours as well :)

"A reminder: this is a non-sectarian site. No proselytizing." -- Marisol

Thank you Marisol. You may have to repeat this admonition with more vigor, as some commenters here persist in ignoring it.

Champ, thanks for the complments. I hope you now feel better than before, as well as purified.

Your superior and highly mature and adult behavior is impressive and edifying.

Thanks for the great job!

Jimmy, can you say ...

VICTIM?

Something tells me you GAVE as good as you got in "a Southern city", given your propensity for making friends here.

You have created many enemies for yourself here on JW, so it stands to reason that you created the problems you encountered in the South.

Your big on demanding apologies, perhaps it's time you do the same.

"Your superior and highly mature and adult behavior is impressive and edifying."

Well, thank you, Jim!

Although pointing out your glaring "double standards" hardly warrants such praise.

"Is Jim [Foster] an asset or a liability?" -- AlaskanInfidel

I ran accross this discussion late and was somewhat distressed to see the unfortunate directions it has splattered off into. Jim's original comment was about his experience as a Jew in the South. Growing up in an extremely conservative religious community in the Midwest with a similar culture, I found his account to ring true when I read it (Hesperado's somewhat tortured Bible-Codish parsing of his words notwithstanding). The original post was intelligently written and the anti-jihad sentiments are clear, which if sincere basically makes him one of us (although he did make a mistake into getting into a pissing match with some long term posters on this site - think Abdulla Mikhail - what ever happened to him, BTW?).

I'm uncomfortable with the somewhat Lord-of-the-Flies-ish idea of thinking in terms of who'll be allowed to be members of the pack and who won't based in what may be little more than idiosyncratic ways of expressing ideas. For what it's worth, I'd welcome future comments from Jim Foster. Of course, as Jim has learned, this can sometimes be a rough crowd so he'll have to justify and defend himself like everyone else and pick his battles carefully. I'm sure we'd discover soon enough if there are any ulterior motives involved, as Hesperado alleges.

champ replied to comment from Christian Soldier | February 19, 2010 8:31 PM | Reply
pros·e·ly·tize (prs-l-tz)

v. pros·e·ly·tized, pros·e·ly·tiz·ing, pros·e·ly·tiz·es

1. To induce someone to convert to one's own religious faith.

2. To induce someone to join one's own political party or to espouse one's doctrine.

v.tr.
To convert (a person) from one belief, doctrine, cause, or faith to another.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/proselytize

CS, in order to induce someone to convert to Christianity -- which by definition is what true proselytizing is -- then wouldn't you need to directly extend an invitation to posters here on JW to BECOME a Christian in order to attempt to convert them?

But I have not read any such comments, or invitations, coming from you; where you have invited posters here to become Christians, or where you have tried to convert anyone here. The only thing I'm reading from you are Bible verses and personal expressions about your love for God. Maybe I'm missing something, but I haven't run across these types of invitations in your comments.

What do you think?

Champ's above comments, that I have taken the liberty to repost, are quite accurate in regard to this way over done, time wasting and most distracting discussion that has ensued here concerning alleged "proselytizing"

To all those who would continue this on into infinity please indulge yourselves to your hearts content.

I have devoted enough time to this fruitless and pointless debate.

The grace of God and the peace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with you.

Eastview wrote:

"I ran accross this discussion late and was somewhat distressed to see the unfortunate directions it has splattered off into. Jim's original comment was about his experience as a Jew in the South. Growing up in an extremely conservative religious community in the Midwest with a similar culture, I found his account to ring true when I read it (Hesperado's somewhat tortured Bible-Codish parsing of his words notwithstanding). The original post was intelligently written and the anti-jihad sentiments are clear, which if sincere basically makes him one of us (although he did make a mistake into getting into a pissing match with some long term posters on this site."

Eastview, thanks for interjecting a note of sanity into the equation.

In terms of the "pissing match" I'd like to say that I was reacting to Hesperado's calling me a liar and referencing to some leftist, atheist agenda. I stated my objection without insulting in kind, then found myself subjected to a plethora of very insulting language and inuendo that continues and which some of this thread is a glaring case in point.

My point was that I could see the teacher's side in the situation because I have felt discrimination; I also opined that the teacher was wrong in posting comments about the situation on a public medium, which in itself is a firable offense.

I admit to a having a healthy human ego and to reacting viscerally to being called a liar and a host of other insults. I make no apologies for defending myself.

If I offended anyone by saying something that was personally offensive, I apologize.

If memory serves me correctly the Moslem troll was banned for racist comments. I can't remember the thread, but I believe he was casting the, "porch monkey" pejorative at someone.

"Finally, though, as for the pictures in the trash, I am of a rather Puritan mindset, and believe that it is improper to make pictures or statues of any person of the Holy Trinity. Yes, God became flesh in Jesus Christ, but the only physical description we have of him is in the first chapter of Revelation, when John saw him in glory--and fell at his feet as if dead. No picture or statue can come up to that. So, I guess I would have put the pix of some hippie-type in the trash, too."

Kepha you are not a Puritan, what you are doing is keeping the First commandment.

And God spake all these words, saying,

I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
Exodus 20 : 1-6

Aha! I can't recall the exact obscenity he had for me..."Mr.Shitface" maybe? Yeah...that was it. Cause I let my dogs lick my face, or "lather" it as he put it. I don't mind havin' a dog lick my face, but I would never let it leave me in a "lather". heh...

I kinda figured that the anger he had would sooner or later blast his limited intellect in to pieces.
thanks for that update.

islam is a lie and
Truth is killing it.

"If I offended anyone by saying something that was personally offensive, I apologize".

You da man...

"Whether or not you accept this. The fact is that this war of Islamic Fascism is a war against the Judeo-Christian world."

I do accept this. To it I would not subtract a word. I would add that it is also a war against Hindus, Sikhs, agnostics, atheists, Wiccans, American Indian traditionalists, Santarians, Druids, and anyone who isn't a Muslim. (Or isn't Muslim enough.)

"When the Israelites went into battle they went in the power and strength of the Lord!"

They did, and blessed be the Lord.

"The power of God is the greatest asset that we have to fight this evil."

Where in my post did I say it wasn't? Validating the beliefs of others does not invalidate yours.

My point was only that other people have as much to lose as do Christians, should Islam become the only acceptable religion, and Sharia the law of the land on all the earth.

"Many of our American soldiers who are on the frontlines of this war are Bible believing Christians."

"I know this to be, as I Minister to them."

I know it too, and I pray for all of them--not just the Christians.

"Do not underestimate the workings of the Almighty."

What did I say, that makes it implicit that I do?

"...Abdulla Mikhail - what ever happened to him, BTW?)."

Eastview, AM was banned back in December. You can read what led to his subsequent banning here:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/12/feel-the-love-pakistan-harassing-us-diplomats.html

And here is Marisol's final comment to AM towards the end of the thread, after he re-registered; essentially he was banned twice:

Marisol | December 18, 2009 3:33 PM | Reply

"Nope, Abdullah, just being even-handed. We ban for racial slurs, and policy is policy.

And your re-registration is banned. If you want to plead your case, take it up with Robert."

Hi, darcy ...I am not having this problem on my end. Are you still experiencing this issue? Weird!

Thank you, Jim :)

CS, I would also like to add that some of the comments made towards you LIMIT free speech; and in light of what Wilders is facing in the Netherlands with regards to free speech, then we certainly do not want to be guilty of that here. And read the "NOTE" above the comments section:

"NOTE: The Comments section is provided in the interests of free speech only."

Having said that, this is a nonsectarian site, and proselytizing is not welcome here. But by definition, that is NOT what you are doing, so I disagree with those that have leveled this charge against you.

Jim Foster, JW is somewhat like a large and loosely organized family that Robert has managed to bring together. It's a pretty amazing bunch of extremely intelligent and thoughtful people who come from varied backgrounds, but share a common concern about the challenge posed by a resurgent Islam. Like strong families everywhere, posters on JW strive to play to each other's strengths and cover for our weaknesses. If you stick around, and I hope you do, you'll become familiar with the various personalities, who come from all over the world and are from various professions, and each of whom has something important to contribute each in his or her own way. About Hesperado: he's a good guy who's smart as a whip and maintains his own web site that you should check out. He's also a master logician who, rather like a nightwatchman shaking the locks, we can count on him to inform us if there's a logical lock that needs securing.

Kepha, thanks for the comments.

As regards the thin-skinned, Muslimah, a child once gifted me a picture of Jesus. Did I throw it in the trash? No. I thanked the child profusely, put it up prominently for the class to see, then quietly gave it to a friend who is a member of Churches of Christ. Another child gave me a Santa Claus tie. I put it on and wore it several times to school to show him I appreciated the gift. Do I observe Christmas? No. That wasn't the issue at the moment. I worked also with a guy who was half Nicaraguan, half Iranian, who wore an "Allah akbar" pendant at work. When I read the words out he was shocked I could read them, told me he was a Christian but that his dad had been a Muslim, and that he wore the pendant because, as he put it, "Well, God IS great, ya know."

Regarding the remarks earlier about ugly comments I overheard or was subjected to at work over a two-year period. They were the rare exception to the rule, came from two rubes amongst a large faculty of pretty decent people, and I ignored most of them. It was only with the "Heil Hitler" remark (which the liason officer who made it, a retired Ranger who had been to Vietnam told me he thought was "funny")that I put my foot down. That man was soon fired.

I don't know the particulars of the case in point in this woman's situation. Professionally speaking, from her activities on Facebook alone, she probably opened herself up to being fired for the public comments about the children, the parents, and the community.

I can not agree with the people here who state that no Muslim should be allowed to teach in our schools, or that the woman should be deported.

Champ, thanks for the info about AM. In some ways I kinda miss the bugger because he was so predictable, but when he descended into obscenities that rightfully earned him banishment. But I guess we now have Yom to inject a little dawa levity into our discussions, eh? ;-)

"I do accept this. To it I would not subtract a word. I would add that it is also a war against Hindus, Sikhs, agnostics, atheists, Wiccans, American Indian traditionalists, Santarians, Druids, and anyone who isn't a Muslim. (Or isn't Muslim enough.)"

Stormwarning, exactly! Not all Muslims are terrorists, but unfortunately, people following Islam seem to be on the warpath against the rest of the world at the moment; and the deeper I look into the matter, I've realized it has not been just "at the moment," but seems to involve picking up what was left off with Islam's policital demise a century or more ago, and carrying on with a business whose ideological underpinnings are definitely as much a part and parcel of Islam as the air we all breath.

Once again thank you for your support and for your clarification of the importance
of free speech in regard to posting commentary here at Jihad Watch.

It is quite hypocritical of those that have leveled these false charges at me, since it is understood that they come here to voice their opposition to the intolerant, oppressive
and fascist ideology of Islam.

Jihad Watch is a website that was established in America and to my understanding it is owned and operated by Americans.

The right of free speech was given to this nation by our Creator through the founding fathers and it is an inalienable right set forth in the Constitution of the United States.

As someone who comes from a Military family, serves this nation as a Chaplain,I say this humbly, and serves God Almighty, it will be a cold day in Hell before I can be intimidated ,run off, or silenced.

May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God be with you.

Sincerely,

Christian Soldier

Hesp, I'm with you and several other posters who regard CS's extended quoting of scripture as consitituting proselytizing. He is being disingenuous to claim that merely because it's not accompanied by an explicit call for conversion that it is not, when quite clearly it is. Walk, quack, duck, etc.

No one here, with the possible exception of Yom, has any problem with the basic Christian message. What we have a problem with is CS's constantly pushing his own particular sectarian view that, while ostensibly directed toward criticism of Islam, in fact just as often includes criticism of other Christians who do not share his own narrow doctrinal point of view. A case in point is his comments that are insulting to Roman Catholics. Quoting scripture to justify these remarks is no excuse, indeed, it illustrates the problem.

Christian Soldier, with respect, please lighten up. We respect your views and beliefs and value your contributions to our troops, but please try to conform to the non-sectarian guidelines of this site. There are other ways you can get the same points across that will be more effective. A little scripture goes a long way when used sparingly, but having a firehose shoved down one's throat is counterproductive. Thanks!

"Christian Soldier, with respect, please lighten up. We respect your views and beliefs and value your contributions to our troops, but please try to conform to the non-sectarian guidelines of this site. There are other ways you can get the same points across that will be more effective. A little scripture goes a long way when used sparingly, but having a firehose shoved down one's throat is counterproductive. Thanks!"

Your allegation "but having a firehose shoved down one's throat is counterproductive."
is a gross exaggeration and mischaracterization of my commentary posted here.

You have a dislike for scripture being posted in general as you made this clear on a previous thread.

If it gives you satisfaction and contentment to label me as a "proselytizer" then by all means indulge yourself.

I repost this for your benefit :

As someone who comes from a Military family, serves this nation as a Chaplain,I say this humbly, and serves God Almighty, it will be a cold day in Hell before I can be intimidated ,run off, or silenced.

When deemed appropriate and correct I shall make reference to the things of God and Christ, if this offends you then do not read them.

We have nothing further to discuss and I shall no longer respond to future attempts to
continue what can only be called an absurd waste of time.

For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
Galatians 1:10

Thank you, Kepha! :)

No, CS. Neither I nor anyone else has any objections to scripture being used sparingly to illustrate a point. But flinging out page after page of scriptural quotes with little or no consideration given to the effect on readers is both presumptuous and insulting to their intelligence. I have no doubt you mean well, but a good teacher always notes whether a message is being understood or not, or is being received with indifference, even hostility, and if there is a problem will adjust the delivery accordingly instead of blaming the students. No one is trying to intimidate or silence you, only making suggestions that you back off from your somewhat hard core and very sectarian delivery style. This is what's labeling you as a proselytizer, as you may have noted has already happened. If you have problems with the non-sectarian mandate for commenters here, then perhaps you should take that up with the JihadWatch management.

But flinging out page after page of scriptural quotes with little or no consideration given to the effect on readers"

I have reviewed my commentary on this thread and the fact is that you are in error.

Nowhere have I as you allege "flinging out page after page" once again this is a gross
mischaracterization of yours.

Only on one post here are there numerous verses from the Bible , Gods word, which you certainly have a problem with.

This post I refer to is The contrast between Mohammed and the Lord Jesus Christ and it is most appropriate for this forum.

Furthermore , there are others here that recognize that these accusations are false and out of order. And there are those that are not offended by the WORD OF GOD!

You are evidently looking for a fight and a fight you will get.

I do not fight for myself , I fight for the sovereign, Almighty God who created all things in Heaven and Earth, the Lord God of Hosts who you have no respect for.

Who are you to instruct me and dictate to me how often I should make reference to the
things of God and Christ.

In addition to being a Chaplain I also have been trained as a soldier and I thank GOD that I have a WARRIOR spirit.

Soldiers Creed

I am an American Soldier.
I am a Warrior and a member of a team.
I serve the people of the United States and live the Army Values.
I will always place the mission first.
I will never accept defeat.
I will never quit.
I will never leave a fallen comrade.
I am disciplined, physically and mentally tough, trained and proficient in my warrior tasks and drills.
I always maintain my arms, my equipment and myself.
I am an expert and I am a professional.
I stand ready to deploy, engage, and destroy the enemies of the United States of America in close combat.
I am a guardian of freedom and the American way of life.
I am an American Soldier.

The Christian soldier NEVER wavers, NEVER retreats and NEVER surrenders!

Bring it on!

"But flinging out page after page of scriptural quotes with little or no consideration given to the effect on readers"

I have reviewed my commentary on this thread and the fact is that you are in error.
Nowhere have I as you allege "flinging out page after page" once again this is a gross 
mischaracterization of yours.

Only on one post here are there numerous verses from the Bible , Gods word, which you certainly have a problem with.

This post I refer to is The contrast between Mohammed and the Lord Jesus Christ and it is most appropriate for this forum.

Furthermore , there are others here that recognize that these accusations are false and out of order. And there are those that are not offended by the WORD OF GOD!

You are evidently looking for a fight and a fight you will get.

I do not fight for myself , I fight for the sovereign, Almighty God who created all things in Heaven and Earth, the Lord God of Hosts who you have no respect for.

Who are you to instruct me and dictate to me how often I should make reference to the
things of God and Christ.

In addition to being a Chaplain I also have been trained as a soldier and I thank GOD
that I have a WARRIOR spirit.

Soldiers Creed
I am an American Soldier.
I am a Warrior and a member of a team. 
I serve the people of the United States and live the Army Values.
I will always place the mission first.
I will never accept defeat.
I will never quit.
I will never leave a fallen comrade.
I am disciplined, physically and mentally tough, trained and proficient in my warrior tasks and drills. 
I always maintain my arms, my equipment and myself.
I am an expert and I am a professional.
I stand ready to deploy, engage, and destroy the enemies of the United States of America in close combat.
I am a guardian of freedom and the American way of life.
I am an American Soldier.

The Christian soldier NEVER wavers, NEVER retreats and NEVER surrenders!

Hesp,

"to lead or move, as to a course of action, by influence or persuasion".

The last part of this definition, "influence or persuasion", suggests that there must be INTENT to lead or move a person in a course of action. So "intent" is key here, but is often hard to prove.

When someone shares their faith in Jesus Christ, and/or posts Bible verses, then that does not necessarily mean that they intend to "induce" a person to convert to Christianity. Not unless a direct invitation to receive Christ is given can their true intention be proven. I often share my faith with others out of my sheer love and enthusiasm for Jesus Christ, and not because I think or even expect that person to convert. But, there have also been times when I have offered up an invitation to receive Christ, which drives away any doubt as to my true intentions.

And at this point, I would like to offer up that any pressure to convert might be self induced ....

For example:

If I share with someone that I have just lost 10 pounds, and that I look better, I feel better, I have more energy, etc, etc ...then that person might feel induced to lose weight, too; especially if they feel a little overweight themselves. But that does not mean that I intended to make them feel fat. I am simply sharing my personal success story with them.

But if I shared my weight loss success with someone, and how great I feel, and look, etc, etc ...but then added, and I INVITE YOU TO LOSE SOME WEIGHT, TOO. Well, then. My intention is pretty clear: I want that person to lose the weight errasing all doubt to why I brought up my own weight loss.

Sharing ones faith in Christ, or their weight loss success, or whatever, does not prove intention to induce weight loss in someone else, nor does it prove that I intend to induce conversion to Christianity.

I still maintain that having an enthusiasm for sharing ones faith in Jesus Christ, and/or the Bible, is by definition, NOT true proselytizing. In order for someone to truly proselytize for Christ, then an invitation to receive Him must be given.

Take care.

Agreed, Hesperado. Christian Soldier's heart is certainly in the right place vis-a-vis Islam, but he needs to release his preacher's transmit button and activate his listening-to-the-congregation receive button once in a while, at least long enough to read and comprehend what other posters are actually saying. If he did he would realize that there are plenty of really good people here who, while perhaps not agreeing with his view of the world down to the last theological detail, nevertheless in the large share many of his basic beliefs.

CS, I hope you understand that our criticisms are not about matters of substance, but rather of style, particularly the most effective means to communicate that don't alienate the very people you're trying to reach. I'm very mindful of your role as chaplain, as you deal with a world that we don't have to and in my mind this buys you a lot of slack. The world on these pages has its own cast of characters, dynamics, and rules of engagement that are different from what you may currently be experiencing, but I'm hopeful that as you settle in you'll find a niche that you're comfortable in, as everyone here seems to do. In any case, if or whenever you feel ready it'd be great if you could share with us a bit about your experiences as a military chaplain as relates to Islam.

"Marisol, Christian Soldier's defensiveness about the non-sectarian and nonproselytizing rules for the site has escalated into belligerence when challenged by several posters about his ignoring them,"

What has escalated is that you and Hesperado are fixated and obsessed with that fact that I have posted verses from the Holy Bible, a book that neither of you have regard nor
respect for.

In fact it irks you gentlemen that I interject the Christian faith to this forum.

As I stated before, the article that this thread is connected to has to do with "Christians".

"North Carolina: Muslim 8th-grade teacher says it was a "hate crime" that students left a Bible on her desk"

Just as the person in this story was offended by the Bible so are you.

Furthermore , your intolerance is reminiscent of the persecution that has gone on for hundreds of years and certainly continues today in the Islamic world.

The definition of proselytizing is clear. I suggest that you carefully review it.

pros·e·ly·tize (prs-l-tz)

v. pros·e·ly·tized, pros·e·ly·tiz·ing, pros·e·ly·tiz·es

1. To induce someone to convert to one's own religious faith.

2. To induce someone to join one's own political party or to espouse one's doctrine.

v.tr.
To convert (a person) from one belief, doctrine, cause, or faith to another.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/proselytize

"CS, in order to induce someone to convert to Christianity -- which by definition is what true proselytizing is -- then wouldn't you need to directly extend an invitation to posters here on JW to BECOME a Christian in order to attempt to convert them?"

The above is what constitutes TRUE "proselytizing".

Although I doubt that either of you are interested in the truth. You are determined to
continue your false allegations indefinitely.

Have you nothing better to do with your time.

" CS seems insecure in his faith, and must broadcast it to the discomfort of others in order to assure himself. The stronger Christian doesn't need to do that."

To the contrary the true Christian is not ashamed of his or her faith.

This war of Islamic Fascism whether or not you are aware, is primarily a war against
the Judeo-Christian World, especially here in the States and certainly in Europe.

There are numerous articles quite often posted at this website about the violent persecution of Christians. Christianity is right in the middle of this war against Islamic-Fascism.

Moreover, Mr. Spencer has written the following book:Religion of Peace?: Why Christianity Is and Islam Isn't. Would you consider this book a form of "proselytizing"?

In closing you should be concerned with what the followers of Islam are doing to Christians, Jews, Hindus etc. instead of preoccupying your time with this never ending fruitless debate.

"you could share with us a bit about your experiences as a military chaplain as relates to Islam."

Tomorrow is another day and I would be glad to respond to the above.

Good night gentlemen.

Champ, you are the best.

The Lord bless you with an abundance of His grace.
In Jesus name. Amen

Again, to "Jim Foster,"

Don't be too quick to tackle Darcy on that "Who the hell are you..." post. She was merely quoting my post, with a couple of postscripts in her initimable style.

I stand by my post, which you didn't deign to answer. Get over yourself...

G

Apologies, should be "inimitable."

... 199

... 200!

George, why do you insist on harping on negative old trash that everyone else has gotten over?

I did not "deign" to answer your rude and offensive rant because, frankly, I didn't notice it; and had I noticed it, I would have dismiised it as the childishly whining rant that it is.

i thought...it would be kinda cool to be the 200the post on this thread...never seen one go this far. Nah...that would be childish of me. Well...maybe I will anyway...nah...

Then you do that....

Clearly I'm not the only kid here. ;)

I think there was one with 250 or so back in the IntenseDebate days, where it was easy to keep track of comments on multiple threads instead of having manually to go back and forth and find comments, etc. ID could also be set up to send out an email to a gmail account any time a reply was made to one of your comments, which meant that you never missed one. When you clicked on the link in the message in your mailbox it would take you not only to the page where the reply was, but also directly to the reply itself. Also, you could click back and forth between a linear layout, like we have now, and a tree structure layout for the comments/replies. In the tree structure the comments and replies were kept together instead of being scattered around. Plus, the editing feature alone, where you could edit typos after submission, not to mention deleting posts if you had second thoughts, more than offset whatever other minor hassles you had to deal with. I wouldn't mind if JW went back to that system. Kinda miss the thumbs up/down dealy, too. It was kinda cool to see how many trolls were pegged at minus 100, which was flagged in bright red, and to see who among our stellar posters had exceeded plus 100.

I wonder if there might be enough sentiment to go back to ID to make an appeal to Robert?

Yea, I'm still a kid at heart. Guess you must be, too, huh? ;-)

This is post 203.

Hi Jim. Not to nitpick, but I think your post is actually 204, and this one is 205.

About the IntenseDebate commenting system that I mentioned in my last post - would you have an opinion about that?

Yep. I remember Intense Debate. It was kinda fun. I went to comment at another site and they were using it. Funny thing...my high rating gave me clout when I posted. Perhaps undeserved, but it was kinda interesting.
As I recall there were a lot of bugs. It got hard to post...I think was the problem. It was definitely messed up.

I'm 53 and... Yeah...definitely still a kid. I still have my Vette nearly 30 years later. I have a Yamaha Vmax that gets to 80 in 3 seconds. My old 23' Fiberform Cabin Cruiser does about 75 wide open with the Chevy 350 I put in it. High rise, Holley 650...lotsa chrome, stripped it of enough stuff to get it to sit about 5 inches higher in the water. This means I can be at my favorite fishin' spot in Resurrection Bay 50 miles out of Seward in less than an hour.
If I get in a rowboat I have to see how fast it will go.
Hmmm....I go fishin' for Silvers all the time by myself on that big ass boat. You fish?

Just my view, which I know is not the majority here.

++++++++++++++

It probably is the majority view but most posters would stay away from further escalation of any argument if the thread descends into offensiveness.

Its right that you take it in jest because to do otherwise would only lead to a confrontation. She probably doesn't mean any disrespect, but is just trying to prove a point.
Here, in India, Ganesha is everyone's favourite God :)

As someone who is familiar with naval chaplains who serve the USMC, I know that chaplains are required to serve ALL faith communities. A rabbi in the chaplain corps, for instance, would be required to perform mass or serve the individual needs of a marine or sailor in as unbiased a manner as possible, not allowing his personal and private religious views to impinge upon his duties; the same is true of Catholic or Protestant chaplains, who would provide for the religious needs of non-Christian service personel and their dependents. Displays of dogmatic partisanship, proselytism, etc. subject the chaplain to immediate censure or non-renewal and even revocation of commission.

That being said, I know that those rules don't necessarily apply here. But don't they? Our shared belief here is that we have a common enemy in Islamic supremacism. That should be the glue that binds us. Fruitless religous squabbles should, in my view, not be allowed to impinge upon that truth. What constitutes "frutless" is, of course, subject to indibidual bias.

In my reading of the Gospels, I seem to recall an incident in which Jesus ordered his disciples to leave any place where their message was not received.

There comes a point when holding the line in stating an opinion becomes counter productive.

Did I just hit any nails on their heads?

Jim,

Please stop taking the Dear Chaplain's inventory. I imagine him to be a man that not only loves his enemies, but prays for them as well. Perhaps he has even prayed for you ...I don't know.

And I noticed that you were the first one to take a brutal shot at him earlier on in this thread, and now here you are again seemingly attempting to have the last word. Can you at least be a bit more kind to him?

Maybe it's time to take your own inventory? And I will do the same. Thank you.

Regards,
champ :)

"In my reading of the Gospels, I seem to recall an incident in which Jesus ordered his disciples to leave any place where their message was not received."

The same day went Jesus out of the house, and sat by the sea side.

And great multitudes were gathered together unto him, so that he went into a ship, and sat; and the whole multitude stood on the shore.

And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow;

And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:

Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:

And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.

And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:

But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.

Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

Matthew 13 : 1-12

Hi, Hesp,

You make some very good points. I completely agree that we are mere guests in JW's house, and that proselytizing is not welcome here; so it would be up to staff in determining what's acceptable, or not. They do support free speech, but they are, of course, entitled to holding certain policies as well.

And healthy debate and dialogue, even by those that disagree on this site, is normal and expected; but demanding that a poster go somewhere else is just plain RUDE -- which is what started the mud slide on this thread.

Take care! :)

Christian Soldier, thank you for sharing this with us, and we appreciate your service to those serving in the Armed Forces. As a veteran myself (1965-1969) I am familiar with the effects of warfare on soldiers, having lost many friends, classmates and comrades in that war, as well as observing how it ruined the lives of many, many more. And FWIW, I have a nephew who was an Army chaplain, and who in 1983 parachuted into Granada with the 82nd Airborne during Operation Urgent Fury. He always was, and still is, a very gentle man, and after retiring has continued to devote his life to service in military hospitals and rehabilitation centers.

No problem at all with the closing verse from John 14:27. It's a good one that eminently fits the moment.

It's not an inventory, just an observation of what is considered acceptable practice for military chaplains; and it is surely no more an "inventory" than the constant harping about proselytism being conducted by fellow posters for hours after I wrote this.

Calling someone an "enemy of God" is not an appropriate response to a poster in a secular room just because the poster questioned the need to paste dozens of Bible verses(when one or two would suffice) day after day.

Asking someone to go somewhere else for pasting all the Bible citations might not have been polite, and I apologized for that.

"Chimp/chump, you and Desperate-turdo can both take your tag harassment shtick and go to hell."

Oh yeah, well maybe you should apologize for stating this to me and Hesperado on this thread:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/02/malaysian-women-say-caning-for-adultery-was-good-for-them.html#comments

"Asking someone to go somewhere else for pasting all the Bible citations might not have been polite, and I apologized for that."

Where? That is not true.

You made a general apology, but you never apologized directly to Christian Soldier for asking him to go somewhere else.

LOL Sorry, guy, I'm done playing your game of "Spray-the-gasoline-on-the-bonfire" and character assassination.

I apologized for my mistakes.

The petiness is ending here and now.

Regards

I hate that intense debate disappeared. I loved commenting before. I just got my iPod like a year or more ago and it was actually fun. Then it disappeared but I'm back hahahahahaha thanks to Twitter. Lol. Anyway so off topic sorry. Uhm. That teacher is so in trouble.

You apologized for your mistakes? ...yeah, but you keep making new ones that you don't apologize for. You are only here to play games and apologize for islam. That is obvious.

No pettiness from me. I am only interested in getting at the Truth, and one thing is clear, you are very desperate to hide the Truth from other posters as to why you are here on JW.

Jim Foster is an apologist for islam, but tries to cleverly portray himself as someone that isn't.

Read today's exchange with other posters here:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/02/pakistan-taliban-behead-3-sikhs-for-refusing-to-convert-to-islam.html#comments