Geert Wilders reacts to the Amsterdam's District Court's disallowing of all but three of his witnesses. "Reaction to the decision in the pre-trial review," from his new Geert Wilders Trial website, February 3:
Geert Wilders: No fair trialThe Amsterdam District Court apparently doesn't want to hear the truth about Islam. Nor is it interested to hear the opinion of top class legal experts in the field of freedom of expression. In one swift move, the Court brushed aside fifteen of the eighteen expert-witnesses the defence had requested to be summoned.
Only Hans Jansen, Simon Admiraal and Wafa Sultan were allowed to be heard as expert-witnesses. Their testimony will be heard in a session behind closed doors. Apparently the truth about Islam must remain a secret.
Geert Wilders: "This Court is not interested in the truth. This Court doesn't want me to have a fair trial. I can't have any respect for this. This Court would not be out of place in a dictatorship".
The Court also brushed aside the preliminary objections concerning its jurisdiction and the admissibility of the Public Prosecutor.
Nevertheless, Geert Wilders remains extremely motivated to seek justice: "I'm still counting on an acquittal".
Shame on the judges of this Amsterdam court.
I hope the people of Amsterdam/Europe start a protest march against this injustice.
The judges must be asked:
Why have they disallowed so many witnesses?
Why is the trial to take place behind closed doors?
Is Geert not a full citizen? Why are his rights being denied to him in his own country?
If the trial takes place in the open court and the mainstream media reports on it without bias, it will be a great education for people who are still unaware of islamic supremacism.
Holland Needs a Revolution
“The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive.”
“I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.”
“A society that will trade a little liberty for a little order will lose both, and deserve neither”
"Every generation needs a new revolution."
--Thomas Jefferson
I saw an interesting question raised on another site: Are the three witnesses (who share a similar view of Islam as Wilders)going to be granted immunity from prosecution for their testimony, or might they also face "hate speech" charges down the road for what they might say during the trial?
Wow. Judges can do that in the Netherlands?
Thank God I live in the U.S. and no one can limit my defense in court.
How many witnesses is the prosecution allowed? Is there any limit on the state's power in court?
I used to wonder why the Pilgrims left the Netherlands for America. I'm beginning to see why they did.
might they also face "hate speech" charges down the road for what they might say during the trial?
Since it appears their testimony will be behind closed doors and, one would expect, the transcripts sealed I don't see how a witness could be charged for statements that nobody outside of the courtroom will ever hear.
However seeing on how the state seems to be able to do anything it wants I suppose it's possible. Dutch justice, what a joke.
This Court would not be out of place in a dictatorship.
But Holland already is a dictatorship, albeit a soft dictatorship run by a new elite primarily concerned with avoiding at all costs having to come to terms with the false premises upon which it bases itself.
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Nobody should be surprised at this: Holland hosts the International Court, a ring of kangaroos if there ever was one.
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Wilders' rights doesn't amount to a rat's ass in their minds. All they're concerned with is maintaining amicable relations with this bold new protected class of immigrants they've created over the last quarter century. As Moslems grow, liberties wane; this is as it has always been and as it always will be.
This is a Stalinist "Show Trial!" How can a court of law restrict the number of witnesses the defense can call? How can a court go into closed session regarding the defense's answering of the charges against him? Where is freedom of speech in the Netherlands, if this is the type of justice the court allows?
The people of the Netherlands need to stand up and protest this obvious railroading of one of their citizens, and demand that justice be heard and open!
Forgive me for reposting this. I wrote it last week but I feel the message is all the more relevant, given the courts' appalling disregard for Geert's defence.
The most troubling aspect of this case is that Geert Wilders is being prosecuted not by Muslims in a Muslim state, but by our own increasingly submissive Infidel legal system.
That European courts are now allowing themselves to be utilised as weapons in the religious war being prosecuted against us is sharply and depressingly underlined by the faces of the judges in the courtroom, which look every inch the epitome of staunch Dutch respectability.
The real problem isn't about opposing Islam in debate with the Muslims themselves. There's little chance that we could ever sway more than a very few. The real challenge is in presenting our case, clearly and convincingly, to our own people, while effectively averting the inevitable negative accusations that are levelled at us along the way. Just look at Geert Wilders and Mark Steyn.
It is a salutory experience to realise how few of us there are speaking out about the global jihad threat. Even though to we few this threat is a transparently obvious, self-evident truth, we are nonetheless, little more than the sound of a voice crying in the wilderness.
The fact that there are so few of us, and that our opinions are considered so very controversial, places us firmly outside the flow of mainstream opinion in the West. Ironic then, that we are so often characterised as hawkish right-wing reactionaries or absurd Canute-like traditionalists attempting to hold back the historic tide of human growth from our thrones on the beach.
This attempt to dismiss us as retrograde defenders of the status quo is very far from the truth. The perceived wisdom of today is, after all, based firmly upon staunch political correctness and irreversible multi-culturalism. Not our kind of status quo at all. In fact it is precisely the current status quo that stands in the way of any widespread public comprehension of the real threats our nations face.
That we are so few in number and that our message is perceived to be so controversial, and so widely condemned by our governments and our media, and as a consequence, by the man in the street, means that we are an entirely different animal from our media portrayal.
We no longer represent the view of The Establishment, or of any establishment view currently displayed by any government on Earth. We are, indeed outsiders, but as such find ourselves liberated from any accusation that we represent the forces of reaction. The truth is that we as a group have become the dissenters. Ours is the voice of the agitator and the subversive.
In a very real sense we have become revolutionaries.
The mildest description we could give of ourselves might be pro-democracy activists. Yet the very fact that we might need to describe ourselves as such in our own democratic countries, and that by merely doing so we attract criticism from other democratic Westerners, is in itself a damning indictment, not so much of any evil state of play within our societies, but of how far into retreat we have allowed ourselves to be driven.
Of course, there is another word to describe a small group of people who, though widely critised and viciously attacked, persevere in the face of all odds to profess their crucial yet unwelcome message to the world. And that word is vanguard.
In years to come the world will look back on the Geerts and Roberts, the Pamelas, Hughs and Marisols, and yes, many of the folk who post their thoughts in these threads, and see them for the visionaries they really were, way back in the early 21st Century. So maybe that's how we should view ourselves and our fellow antijihadis: dissenters, subversives and revolutionaries, yes, reviled by many, yes; but also the vanguard of a new awareness that could, if we only persevere, grow and offer at least some hope for our humanity and the values of civilisation.
John the Baptist was in his time, a starving, ragged voice crying in the wildeness, yet he was the vanguard of a religious movement that swept the world and transformed empires.
And it is from such tiny acorns that mighty oaks grow.
The people of the Netherlands need to stand up and protest this...
Yeah, just like they did when that angry young Moslem activist posted his letter of protest into Theo Van Gogh's chest... with a long knife.
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Those were some massive demonstrations, with hundreds of thousands of alarmed Dutchmen taking to the street to put things right. I'm sure that, in their alerted concern, they marched from Amsterdam up to The Hague to petition the International Court to save the rest of the world after Holland put its own house in order.
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But that wasn't able to happen. However, the Wilders show trial was able to happen. Such is the will of the New Holland (and I'm not talking about the agricultural machinery manufacturer here).
Mr. Wilders,
Have the court look at this and let them decides for themselves.
If they can't understand this, there is no hope for Europe.
Say again, have them look at this.
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I don't know anything about Simon Admiraal. But Wafa Sultan and Hans Jansen will tell it like it is.
(to be sung to the tune of "Het Wilhelmus")
The triers of Geert Wilders--
Are they of true Dutch blood?
Their fatherland in peril,
They moo and chew the cud.
William of Orange goes rolling
In his grave beneath the ground;
His feckless heirs go crawling,
Lest they be "bigots" found.
It's fine to mock at Jesus,
And to Christians be a foe.
But criticize Muhammad--
Just ask Theo van Gogh.
When the modern Duke of Alva
Comes waving crescent moons
They lick his boots in submission
Like cowardly poltroons.
"Lest we be declared bigots,
"We'll sell our children's lives
"Our country's hard-earned treasure
"to cure Bouyeri's hives.
"Theo van Gogh's murder
"Taught us nothing at all,"
These judges, whimpering and whining,
To Islam now they crawl.
When the next Duke of Alva
Comes with the crescent moon,
The triers of Geert Wilders
Will make their daughters swoon
And submit to open outrage
To prove their liberal stand,
And nod their heads approving
When thugs pillage their land.
I just hope that the American people take a lesson from this and consistently vote for either Republicans or Libertarians for the next 30 years. We simply cannot afford the combination of PeeCee-ism and socialism.
MUSLIMS WIN AND THE DUTCH LOSE.
It is that simple. We are of course all Geert Wilders' in this forum. The Dutch people only hurt themselves by suppressing free speech and in the end they are cutting their own heads off to the absolute delight of Islam.
When one looks at the Netherlands 7th Amendment to there constitution referred to as "expression" instead of freedom of speech with all its ambiguities, I then thank America's For fathers for their comparatively simple and to the point First Amendment to the US Constitution.
avraidire
Il est bon de voir que les Français sont la lecture Robert Spencer ainsi que de regarder le procès qui se passe dans les Pays-Bas avec Geert Wilders. Liberté de parole, peu importe comment désagréables qu'il mai être est essentielle à une société libre. En effet, la liberté est la seule chose que les gens ont plus de morts en défendant que toute autre chose sur le visage de la planète, bref de l'idéologie totalitaire qui est fondamental Islam
Niqabed, hijabed women, minarets at mosques, persistent silencing of our freedom of speech are all symptoms of the same phenomenon of Islamic supremacy in the West.
It starts here. They must ALL be reversed and outlawed to preserve our secular freedoms and progressive way of life. Geert Wilder's victory is a win-win for all; loss is the road to hundred year civil war to stop retro-regressive Islamic Sharia enslavement of our societies. Freedom of speech must win out against Islamic supremacy jihad. Failure is inconceivable.
Many Allied soldiers' lives were lost in the freeing of Holland and Belgium from the Nazis in WWII, freeing them from what was considered the greatest tyranny ever known at the time. There are many gravesites in those countries that testify to that fact. There are a few of that finest generation who are still around to tell that tale from first hand experience. What do they, and what would their dead comrades, say about how Holland has surrendered once again, this time willingly, to totalitarianism, without a shot being fired? Was their sacrifice in vain? Surely the country remembers what it was like to be under the Nazi thumb? But it would seem that the current generation, at least those who believe they hold the reins of power, have willingly forgotten all that.
The crime was invented in order to find Wilders guilty, because the truth that he speaks threatens too many people who are comfortable for the wrong reasons. They do not care about the price that was paid for them to simply be alive, let alone free. This man of courage puts them all to shame, and being cowards themselves, they refuse to admit it.
Make no mistake, though. Not all of the Dutch citizenry has surrendered. It is my hope and prayer that more and more of them become 'infected' as it were, with the same kind of courage and fire that Geert Wilders has displayed and continues to do so. I also pray that courage take root outside of Holland as well. All that we cherish in our Western culture is under attack, as everyone in this forum knows. Attacked from without, and from within. Soon, those sitting on the fence will have to make the choice of what side of the fence they're going to be on. Neutrality is no longer an option.
DSH
And so where are the bulk of the Dutch people on this trial? Are they following it closely? What percentage are supportive of Wilders? What percentage are disgusted by the PC/MC nonsense and the suicidal Dutch immigration policies? What percentage of the Dutch continue to cling to various exculpations of Islam being in Holland? Does this trial, regardless of outcome, make it more likely, less likely or not a factor at all that Wilders will someday become the Dutch PM? Would most appreciate an inside Dutch perspective on all this.
Yes, it is a Stalinist "Show Trial!"
But Holland is still a free country, except when its not.
So what would happen if Wilders boycotts his inquisitors and doesn't show up at all?
Will they arrest him and put him in jail?
Arraign him in chains?
Geert Wilders: "This Court is not interested in the truth. This Court doesn't want me to have a fair trial. I can't have any respect for this. This Court would not be out of place in a dictatorship".
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One might assume that Wilders' saying "This court is not interested in the truth" is a general complaint. But it *is literally true*.
One of the prosecutors said before the trial: “It is irrelevant whether Wilders’s witnesses might prove Wilders’s observations to be correct, what’s relevant is that his observations are illegal”.
Many of the "observations" I would have on such a court are likely illegal, as well.
My Dutch friend tells me: you can do whatever you want in Holland, as long as you get permission first.
Is the judge a muslim and will not stand to have the truth revealed??? This is so screwed they need to give their head a shake and wake up....Go Geert...I hope he wins and rubs it in their face...also kinda wonder if the judge is afraid of death threats..I wonder if he has received some and has not told anyone...Hmmm you know those muslims..they all want to go out with a bang..
Our brother in arms will prevail. The stench form the stinking corpse of islam sooner or later will be noticed even by the most ardent left leaning moral relativist amongst the elites of Europe
Unbelievable. Strike that. Completely believable.
What can we do for him? How can we support him?
As a member of the "Far Right" BNP I can only conclude that in Holland our worst prognostications have come to pass. Its not inevitable that such a Stalinist show trial should come to pass in Britain. However, we should all be aware of the persecution of the BNP in Britain by the laughably named Equalities and Human Rights Commission is a forerunner of even worse things to come. Unless all anti-jihadists no matter what thier political/religious opinions stand together and speak the truth we will remain a sideshow. What is happening to Geert is truly awful and my thoughts and prayers are with him. I never thought I would see the day when a democratic government would bend the knee to a bunch of Islamist thugs and thier lackeys amongst the political elites. May God forgive them because I will not.
Hard Rain, an excellent and thoughtfull contribution. It does me good to read your missives.
Eric
Hard Rain, your comment should be reposted many times. It is a usefull description of a good part of the predicament we are in.
wakingwest
Thanks for that. I know you've read that piece before, and we chatted about it at the time.
However, I'm very aware that people must get mighty tired of seeing the same piece turning time after boring time. Makes me look like a tub-thumper, so I try to avoid reposting if I can.
To be honest, I'm sometimes uncomfortably aware that my style of writing is more that of an essayist rather than a poster. I find this slightly embarrassing, because I'm not sure that this is the right place for my stuff. I know I'm a bit long-winded and over-florid, but I'm an ex-journalist so that's just my natural style of writing.
Anyway, thanks for your kindness and to everyone who puts up with me, and can I say how much I enjoy being in the company of so many steely-eyed freedom fighters.
imnokuffar
Thank you, I'm glad you enjoy my work, and can I also say I support the right of the BNP to speak its mind.
As an avowed antijihadist I've got to support the BNP stance on immigration and Islam. It's true that they are the only party in Britain with sensible policies on these issues. However, like many others who oppose Islam, I'm also anti-racist and an unshakable supporter of the state of Israel. It's common knowledge that the BNPs political roots stretch back through John Tyndall's National Front and the British National Socialist movement. Given their long history of both racist and anti-Semitic policies, have the BNP under Nick Griffin now rejected these ideas and turned away from their murky past?
I'm willing to listen to the BNP, but I could never support any political party whose policies might harm otherwise benign sections of the British population simply because they are other-coloured or read the Torah.
These are the concerns that worry me, but you're an articulate intelligent bloke and we've chatted before, so what do you as a BNP member think about these issues?
I'm sorry to rain on any parade here, of all places, but to hear a member of the BNP moaning about freedom of speech is a shared enemy too far. The BNP is basically the British Nazi party. Because of proximity to its 'press office', our letterbox is regularly stuffed with its anachronistic anti-Jewish hate literature, trash of the lowest kind. The Shoah never happened but there's soon going to be another one, right? The Jews organised 9/11 and every other major disaster up to and including the Titanic, right? (Iceberg, Goldberg, it's all the same, ennit?). One of the problems of supporting those who understand misunderstanding Islam is the scum you find yourself on the street with (I'm off editing duty right now, so leave my grammar be). The BNP could be a major player in the upcoming/ongoing struggle against Islam, if it could just take time out from scrawling dim shite on walls and kicking over Jewish gravestones. However, its ideological similarities to Islam far outnumber and outweigh its differences from it, which are basically confined to skin colour and race. Support from the BNP is the kiss of death in any country that lost folks to the Nazis, and Holland definitely numbers amongst them. Support him, by all means, Herr Oberuntermittelfuhrer Imnokuffar, but do it quietly, from under your stone. You're an embarrassment.
Brede
That's exactly what worries me too, though I wonder if imnokuffar has a different take on all this?
If what you say is true (and I've no reason to doubt you) then the BNP is truly unacceptable. Even more worryingly it means that Britain has not a single political party with whom anti-Islamic, anti-racist, pro-democracy, pro-Israeli voters can align. We're a constituency without representation! What the f*** is to become of us?
Anyone out there fancy forming a new political party? This is not a joke. We have nothing to lose but our deposit!
Actually that's not entirely accurate. We could lose our liberty if the government moves against us (which they will) and our lives if the jihadis do likewise (which they will).
So think hard.
I have been eagerly watching the BBC in hopes that they would give this it's fair due. Has anybody seen something Iv'e missed?
I hope people realize that this is the new Spanish inquisition! I think it is going to get worse before it gets better.
The Dutch are obviously longing to be in chains. They got liberated from the Germans (darn) so now they are lying down and giving themselves up to the Islamist takeover. Is there really no resistance to this takeover in Holland? Is Wilders really out there on his own? Shame on you Dutch people.
Instead of a Monarchy composed of Royal Blood, Europe has a new one composed of the Political Class. Years of telling and selling what was good for the People to reach such high esteem. Back in the day, the Church guided the Royals. Now we have Politicians with Islam holding sway.
Will Europe once again rid itself from the Yoke of Royalty or shall they become Serfs once more?
Too bad the collective wisdom of today's Royalty is so abysmal.
www.veteranoutrage.com
you just wait..
Very soon obama and the democrats will do the same thing
here in the good old usa..
you just wait
For obama and the democrats and liberals
will all applaud as our free speech rights
are taken away by legislative jihadism..
Then to ensure their grip on power
the democrasts will take away you rguns as well
www.veteranoutrage.com..
Just to give you guys and girls an idea about the mind set here in Holland.
The majoraty of the people here in Holland are unknown with the writings in the Koran and are of the opinion that the things Wilders sayed "he just made up or some sort".
The people here use State television as a reference to form their oppinion. And ofcourse state television is controlled by the left in total and so is pretty much all other media (like papers being subsidiced by a state financed fund).
Meaning.. As long as they keep yelling and repeating "Wilders is a croock and a have baked Nazi", "those poor moslim minoraty's" and "remember the crusades, imperialism and WOII" the majoraty will accept it as the truth and defend it without doing a background check.
It is not even the moslims at all, doing the defence of the Islam.. They dont have to.. The dutch are so devided.. They do all the work for em.
And als always.. Its very easy to say and defend the so called "morally PC/MC", but saying and doing the right thing is the hard part.
Anyways.. There is a long road ahead of us here and only time will tell us if we're beeing wrong or right.
Kuntakinte's assessment of the Dutch public sounds about right. I only have one demurrer about his description -- he makes it sound like the Dutch people are sheep who follow what the TV tells them. This is to denigrate his own people (as we do our own people, wherever we are in the West, to explain why we haven't yet seen -- nearly a decade after 911 and after all the other grotesque shit Muslims have been doing since then -- mass demonstrations (literally and figuratively in the sense of any kind of activities that demonstrate) against Islam anywhere in the West). It is more likely that a majority of Dutch people are already PC MC, and don't need the TV to tell them, though it always helps to have one's givens reinforced by the airwaves of popular culture.
The situation in Europe is extremely alarming to me. As an American it looks to me like GB & most of Europe (political elites) are going out of their way to slit their own wrists. FREEDOM OF SPEECH is the key to the fight. They can put one Geert in jail but not 100,000. The word must be spread and the people must RISE UP. When the politicians fear YOU more than they fear ISLAM, things will change! FIGHT. FIGHT. FIGHT. Where is Winston CHurchill when you need him?
Are there enough of you who are 'awake' to have a permanent presence (in relays, so that no individual has to take time off work, etc.) outside that court, day and night, while the trial is happening?
The sins of the fathers should not be attributed to thier children. No doubt you have said of others many things that you now think faulty; if you have not then you are as perfect as I am. All that I can see is a looming crisis that requires immediate rectifaction. No ifs or buts. In response to your question as to the position of the BNP on Israel and Jews. We explicitly state we support the Jewish state as one of the bastions of democracy, law and civilisation. My Wife and Daughter are Jewish. The BNP are not racists, but we seek to have a democratic mandate that is being denied by the state for the moment. You pose many questions, all of which I am comfortable with and are well answered in our Website. At least we do not shut down discussion and declare ourselves perfect as our opponents do.
ATB
Eric
You are probably not even worth responding to. I'm sorry to rain on any parade here, of all places, but to hear a member of the BNP moaning about freedom of speech is a shared enemy too far. The BNP is basically the British Nazi party. Because of proximity to its 'press office', our letterbox is regularly stuffed with its anachronistic anti-Jewish hate literature, trash of the lowest kind. The Shoah never happened but there's soon going to be another one, right? The Jews organised 9/11 and every other major disaster up to and including the Titanic, right? (Iceberg, Goldberg, it's all the same, ennit?). One of the problems of supporting those who understand misunderstanding Islam is the scum you find yourself on the street with (I'm off editing duty right now, so leave my grammar be). The BNP could be a major player in the upcoming/ongoing struggle against Islam, if it could just take time out from scrawling dim shite on walls and kicking over Jewish gravestones. However, its ideological similarities to Islam far outnumber and outweigh its differences from it, which are basically confined to skin colour and race. Support from the BNP is the kiss of death in any country that lost folks to the Nazis, and Holland definitely numbers amongst them. Support him, by all means, Herr Oberuntermittelfuhrer Imnokuffar, but do it quietly, from under your stone. You're an embarrassment.
Its really hard to respond to someone who is obviously crazy. Are you seriously contending that you have had your letterbox stuffed by legions of Pro BNP supporters or members and who to are, boot who are anti-semitic. Obviously this would be impossible Perhaps you can report this offence to Trevor Philips no doubt he needs buddies like you. By the way I could not give a damn about you skin colour and I do not need any explication of the fate of the Jews from you are risibly ignorant and stupid. I apologise if my mastery of the English language is derisory to you. However, if you are an example of what it has come to then god help us all. Do yourself a favour get some sort of an education. Or in your case idutcation.
"Mohammed B. will not be allowed to testify in the case against Geert Wilders, leader of the populist PVV party, an Amsterdam court has ruled."
"Mohammed Bouyeri is convicted of murdering filmmaker Theo van Gogh in 2004. He shot the outspoken Islam critic in the street and cut his throat. ."
http://www.nrc.nl/international/article2475574.ece/Van_Goghs_killer_rejected_as_Wilders_witness
Why shouldn't the court hear whar Mohammed B has to say. Just because he is a killer doesn't mean that he will be 100% dishonest about his motivations. Well he is Muslim, so he probably will try to be dishonest by creed, http://www.meforum.org/2538/taqiyya-islam-rules-of-war ... boy this would open a whole can of worms wouldn't it. Brilliant, the court is damned if they let him talk, and damned if they won't. Killing artists is a sign that your society is very, very sick in all cases.
imnokuffar
Thanks for getting back to me. I don't write-off anyone because of an imperfect past - or I'd be the first one in the dustbin!
I'll keep an open mind and look into it further. And please don't get into a ruck with Brede. Don't aid the enemy by arguing amongst ourselves.
Cheers and regards to your family.
People like Brede are ill-educated narcistic morons who make up the truth as they go along. I could NEVER support a party that is anti-semitic. I have no doubt that there are anti semites in the party just as there are anti-semites in any political grouping - particularly in the British established political elites and just as plausibly amongst some contributors to this Blog. I did not insult Brede he (or it) insulted me. You are quite correct that we should not argue amongst ourselves. Sometimes you have to say your piece. Thankyou for your reply and regards to your family also.
Eric
Of course Mr Wilders.The court can't allow the truth to be heard.Could you imagine the court allowing all witnesses,including the killer of Theo Van Gogh and all
the rabid imams?
Mostly in Holland it seems that speaking about the trial is taboo, from my (Rotterdam) perspective. I am all for Freedom of Speech and the distinction Geert Wilders and even the District Attorney's office made; that criticizing a religion is different from insulting a whole group of people (namely the believers in that religion) and that it should be allowed. But others (anti-discrimination-service, Moroccan advocate and politician, more) pressed on with the charges of insulting and discrimination and hatemongering of and against the Islamic part of the Dutch population.
Both my sister and a co-worker (both Christian, whereas I am Darwinist), keep harping, to my disgust, on "not insulting the Muslims", treating them with respect, saying that we only should debate reasonably and civilized with them. Of course I say, only then they almost take much notice!
In politics, the 2 socialist parties and Democrats'66, and even the ChristianDemocrats are all Political Correct and opposing Wilders (as he vehemently opposes them). Hell, now there is even a political movement "Stop Wilders Now" in The Haque, and it is allowed by a Dutch Court. Peter R. de Vries, a well-known and popular journalist-crimefighter (him of Aruba-Nathalie-Holloway-fame) has publicly said that "Wilders is a demagogue and a dangerous man. In case he wins the elections, he could well establish some "tyranny" with unspeakable crimes committed by the state". He sees a small cloud in the West and not the dark rain-clouds in the East it seems to me.
The arguments of my sister and many others go about that the rest of Mr. Wilders' programme is not worth much (and OK, that IS Mr. Wilders'party's weak spot), that he would damage both Holland's economy and image abroad disastrously were he to be PM.
But most of all; it revolves about not insulting Muslims with most Dutch. Many Christians love Jesus more than themselves and understand that Muslims love Mohammad more than themselves and consequently they compare insulting him with insulting Jesus or one's mother as a whore. Whereas Darwinists don't care at all if Darwin or Dawkins or Einstein etc are insulted.
Also, very prevalent among Dutch people is the assessment that: Democracy is well entrenched and invulnerable to outside attacks by Islam. Strangely it is often regarded very vulnerable to attacks by extreme-right (and Wilders is alleged to be that often).
And although many young Muslims are unemployed and criminal, many more are sympathetic and charming and have regular jobs and they go along well with the other Dutch. I confirm by the way that I work with some very nice people that are Muslim).
But most Muslims and many Dutch too, especially many people in social work (who in part earn their living helping Muslims) regard Wilders persona non grata, and speaking ANY Islam-criticism as racist (regardless if it is true or not), so speaking about these are very much a taboo, bad for your reputation.
The most prevailing idea is that "All cultures have bad people and big problems, in roughly equal measure". So people like me are not really allowed to speak their mind. And are stigmatized when they do. It seems to me to be about not touching the "hot potatoe" a lot.
Oh, I only can give you a personal, incomplete, glimpse, but this trial moves my heart and I love to give expression to my thoughts.
Correction: Muslims take almost no effective notice when you only try to spead reasonably to them.
It will be Joseph Stalin and Adolph Hitler, presiding judges. There will be free swastikas for all!. The judges preach race and hate and make the Klan look good!
When the Jihadists finally turn on the judges and their families, I wonder what they will say.
Surely these cowardly judges know their fates when their new masters take complete charge? The Koran is clear. These Benedict Arnolds will certainly be executed as kuffars!
When Wilder's party forms the next government, they will need to purge these PC weakling cowards as enemies of the state.
I am getting sick of such evil. All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men like Wilder to do nothing.
The US should send Charles Manson over as an Ambassador, these judges definitely would approve him as one of their own.