Arabic newspaper: "Jewish lobby" engineered U.S. Armenian genocide vote

The B.L.E.E.D.I.N.O.B.V.I.O.U.S Examination in Basic Logic

class 1 ( 10 to11 years old )

1 ) A group of people state they want to destroy you .
Do you ..
a) cosy up to them
b) give them money
c) do everything you can to stop them destroying you

( allow yourself one minute for this question )

2 ) The animals in a certain part of the world have long been driven mad .
The tigers eat their own babies , the elephants trample on the vegetation
so they have nothing to eat .
The only creatures to make a go of things are the ants ( who the rest
of the animals have never liked )
The world notices the sad state of affairs for most of the animals and
ask them who is to blame ..
The animals have a meeting to discuss who’s going to take responsibility , but nobody is willing to accept any blame .
But they must find someone to blame .
Who do you think they blame ?

( allow yourself one minute for this question )

3 ) Use your imagination - can you imagine any situation in life where
there might be a connection between the issues
raised in questions 1) and 2 ) ?
e.g the same players / the same mentality etc. etc.

. ( allow yourself one minute 25 seconds for this question )

When is ethnic cleansing and genocide not recognized? when it's done by muslims. We still have indian muslims who maintain that the moghals who invaded did nothing wrong. I guess the millions of non muslims who died all had collective heart attacks and the women and children just lept into the arms of the muslim invaders.

An affront to their honor? islamo-zombies and their death-cult have no concept of honor. When they're not busy killing Christians and Jews they torture and kill their own -- so great is their blood-lust. This is pure vampirism and it must be destroyed.

It would be interesting to hear from the enlightened in Turkey -- for example, from Orhan Pamuk -- as to what they think Turkey should or should not do in recognizing, and in correctly analyzing, the mass-murders of Armenians in 1894-96 by both Turks and Kurds, and the even greater mass-murdering of Armenians in 1915 and the years following. To what extent would they call the basis of this "ethnic" and to what extent would they be willing to recognize these murders, and those of the Maronites in Damascus in 1860 (and the intermittent massacres of Pontic Greeks, and the September 1956 attacks on the Greek community in Istanbul, under Adnan Menderes. And let's not forget the precarious position of the Jews (though some Turks like to pride themselves on the tolerance for Jews in Turkey, and use it as a talking-point) in Turkey, especially with all the conspiracy theories about the Donme (the crypto-Jews of Turkey, descendants of the followers of Sabbatai Zevi-- see Rifat Bali's recent book on the subject) and for that matter, the indifference to the sinking of the Struma in the Black Sea and the drowning -- with no attempt to save them by anyone -- of hundreds of Jewish refugees on board that ship). And there's a lot more to examine, too, including the Varlik Vergisi, the "Identity Tax" ("Varlik" means "identity" in Turkish --see Redhouse) placed on non-Muslims, by the Turkish government, during World War II.

Ataturk systematically constrained Islam as a political and social force, using ruthless methods when necessary, and laws that were cleverly intended to deal with a great many aspects of Islam, not all of those laws having an signficance immediately obvious -- see, for example, the Hat Act banning the fez -- to non-Muslims.

But Islam did not go away. And among the primitive masses, it remained, and even among some of those who found modern life too confusing, too decadent, too unpleasant, the Return to Islam offered a simple solution to the universe.

And so Islam is back. Erbakan's student, Erdogan, who for a while tried to sugar-coat his views when he thought there was a chance of admission to the E.U. -- he now knows better, and is going for broke, trying to make alliances with the likes of Syria, and Iran, in other words trying to reinsert Turkey into the Muslim world, possibly in the hope (vain) that it can once again be the center of that world. Erdogan, Gul, and the others in the PKP fail to realize that that will not be possible, given that Turkey can hardly rule the Islamic roost when a dozen Muslim oil states, and among the "primitive desert Arabs" of Arabistan, at that, possess far greater wealth than does Turkey. Meanwhile, as the war against the secular class continues, in the army and in the judiciary (the next big target) and the universities (the rectors and some of the leading professors), Turkey will slowly sink, unless the secular class takes the measures that Ataturk, and generals in a previous period, would not have hesitated to take.

Perhaps we should let Turkey sink into history. It was an ally of convenience during the cold war but those days are gone. Without totalitarian communism threatening their existence they have no reason to turn westward. The Turks who want their country to remain secular will have to fight for it. If they won't fight for it then they will have to live with Islamism and its consequences. The choice is theirs.

the old, "blame the Jews" line yet again. yawnnnnnn

Does anyone else find it funny how the Chinese execution of 8 or so moslems was described by Turkey recently as "Genocide", yet the murders of hundreds of thousands of Armenians is not genocide?

The ability of moslems to lack integrity never ceases to amaze me. (I think washing 5 times a day doesn't just make them feel clean it washes away sense and honesty too)

"The decision of the Foreign Affairs Committee will not hurt Turkey, but it will greatly harm bilateral relations, interests and vision. Turkey will not be the one who loses," said Erdogan
"For Washington Turkey today has become a geopolitical pivot state depending on how it develops key energy pipelines. Eurasian power is changing towards Washington or significantly away from it. If Turkey cooperates with the United States and manages to reach a stable treaty with Armenia under US auspices, the Russian position in the Caucasus is weakened and an alternative route for natural gas to Europe opens up, decreasing Russian leverage against Europe. If Ankara decides to collaborate more closely with Russia, Georgia's position is precarious and Azerbaijan's natural gas pipeline route to Europe, the so-called Nabucco Pipeline, is blocked.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=13171

The U.S. and Russia are to close to a new nuclear arms reduction treaty. The Russians are pushing hard for Obama throw in the farm and let them 'share' in missile defense. Turkey doesn't seem to figure in that planning either. (new interceptors are going to Romania instead of Poland and Czech Rep.)
When it comes to Turkey, not giving a quack is so common I hope they don't get shocked into a fight with Isreal.

Hi Jihad Watchers,

None of you Americans have a moral right to condemn Turkey on the question of Armenian-genocide. You people have butchered native-Americans in millions to create what is now called United States of America.

I guess it is time now for the Turkish parliament to pass a resolution condemning the genocide being perpetrated upon the native-Americans by your white anglo-saxon , protestant forefathers.

Observe our latest Mohammedan boggart.

Simple question to demolish his tu quoque.

Which lot in life would any sane person choose, if they had to choose between the following two?

1. To be a Christian or Jewish or Hindu or Buddhist or animist or Bahaii OR APOSTATE FROM ISLAM resident today within *any* Muslim-ruled country, anywhere in the world?

Or...2. To be a First Nations person, born in the USA and most definitely counted as a citizen of same, with full voting rights and civil rights legally recognised?

Hugh, I'm sorry I read your comment again, I realized I misunderstood it and my comment is a little bit irrelevant. But what I'm trying to say is, Turkey will not become another Iran.

Although I'm not a muslim, I can say, Islam was not the only motivation for killings and forced assimilation of minorities. Nationalism is still strong in Turkey, a legacy of "Young Turks" in Ottoman Empire. Ataturk was a nationalist too but he didn't mix it with Islam.

If there really is a "Jewish Lobby" and it really did promote the Armenian Genocide resolution, I wish it all the luck in the world and salute it.

Turkish nationalism developed as the Ottoman Empire was disintegrating, and increased pari passu with that disintegration. Ataturk was a Turkish patriot who understood that Islam was a force holding Turkey back. He also understood that Islam could not be assaulted directly, but only slowly, obliquely, cunningly, and he did what he could, in the time he had -- roughly fifteen years from the end of the Caliphate until his death -- to systematically constrain Islam.

But the primitive masses required a replacement theology, and that theology centered on Ataturk himself. Now it was Ataturk who was the Perfect Man, rather than Muhammad, and Ataturk whose grave was the place that foreign visitors were always taken to view. And instead of Muslims being "the best of peoples" now it was the Turks, and a different cult, that centering on "the Sun People," that is the Turks, or "The Turk," made inroads.

The people in Turkey about whom one thinks the most are those who are not Muslim nor too nationialist, but skeptical, bemused, worried, in short, Western men who happen to have been born into, and raised within, a Muslim society, albeit one where Islam has been sufficiently constrained to allow the creation of a class of people who do not inhabit a different mental and moral universe, people who have had, and have properly taken advantage of, the mental freedom that Ataturk made possible. . Some of those Turks have left Turkey for the West but for all I know still have ties based on filial piety. Others, those who have remained in Turkey, must no doubt be alarmed at how Erdogan is undoing what he can, and they must wonder how far he will get, and whether the army will be or has been infiltrated from within by supporters of Erdogan. I feel sorry for such people. They no doubt would like to have others who are not Muslim share the burden of the Muslims with whom they must live, and so they are eager to have Turkey admitted to the E.U. They can't see it quite from the point of view of Europeans, who may sympathize with the plight of the truly secular Turks but are unwilling to further endanger their own countries and societies in order to lessen the burden on Turkish secularists.

In today's New York Times Book Review Joseph O'Neill, reviewing Christopher de Bellaigue's book about a Turkish-Kurdish (formerly Armenian) town called Varto, describes “Turkey itself…buried in a thick ethnographic and historical cloud that is only deepened by its various inhabitants, who, in this regard, are helpess particles of fog. The people of Varto are smothered by the official narratives of the Turkish state, credulous of[sic] family and tribal lore and guerrilla propaganda, subdued by censorship and hypersensitized by inherited and actual grievances. Their sense of themselves and their neighbors is built on vaguenss, prejudice, misconceptions, hearsay and, above all, fear. Fear is general all over Turkey.”