NPR offers smooth deceptions about the Qur'an's teaching on jihad

Here we go again: more smooth lies, half-truths, detours and deceptions -- anything to keep us from looking squarely at the jihad doctrine as delineated by the Qur'an and Sunnah. It's interesting that Philip Jenkins gets a big feature on NPR for claiming that the Bible is more violent than the Qur'an -- when NPR offers the opposing view, featuring someone who says that the Qur'an is more violent than the Bible, we will know that the End Times have begun. "Is The Bible More Violent Than The Quran?," by Barbara Bradley Hagerty for NPR, March 18 (thanks to all who sent this in):

As the hijackers boarded the airplanes on Sept. 11, 2001, they had a lot on their minds. And if they were following instructions, one of those things was the Quran.

In preparation for the suicide attack, their handlers had told them to meditate on two chapters of the Quran in which God tells Muslims to "cast terror into the hearts of unbelievers."

"Slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them," Allah instructs the Prophet Muhammad (Quran, 9:5). He continues: "Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites! ... Hell shall be their home, an evil fate."

When Osama bin Laden declared war on the West in 1996, he cited the Quran's command to "strike off" the heads of unbelievers. More recently, U.S. Army Maj. Nidal Hasan lectured his colleagues about jihad, or "holy war," and the Quran's exhortation to fight unbelievers and bring them low. Hasan is accused of killing 13 people at Fort Hood, Texas, last year.

Given this violent legacy, religion historian Philip Jenkins decided to compare the brutality quotient of the Quran and the Bible.

Defense Vs. Total Annihilation

"Much to my surprise, the Islamic scriptures in the Quran were actually far less bloody and less violent than those in the Bible," Jenkins says.

Jenkins is a professor at Penn State University and author of two books dealing with the issue: the recently published Jesus Wars, and Dark Passages , which has not been published but is already drawing controversy.

Violence in the Quran, he and others say, is largely a defense against attack.

"By the standards of the time, which is the 7th century A.D., the laws of war that are laid down by the Quran are actually reasonably humane," he says. "Then we turn to the Bible, and we actually find something that is for many people a real surprise. There is a specific kind of warfare laid down in the Bible which we can only call genocide."

It is called herem, and it means total annihilation. Consider the Book of 1 Samuel, when God instructs King Saul to attack the Amalekites: "And utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them," God says through the prophet Samuel. "But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey."

When Saul failed to do that, God took away his kingdom.

"In other words," Jenkins says, "Saul has committed a dreadful sin by failing to complete genocide. And that passage echoes through Christian history. It is often used, for example, in American stories of the confrontation with Indians -- not just is it legitimate to kill Indians, but you are violating God's law if you do not."

Jenkins notes that the history of Christianity is strewn with herem. During the Crusades in the Middle Ages, the Catholic popes declared the Muslims Amalekites. In the great religious wars in the 16th, 17th and 19th centuries, Protestants and Catholics each believed the other side were the Amalekites and should be utterly destroyed.

'Holy Amnesia'

But Jenkins says, even though the Bible is violent, Christianity and Judaism today are not for the most part.

"What happens in all religions as they grow and mature and expand, they go through a process of forgetting of the original violence, and I call this a process of holy amnesia," Jenkins says.

They make the violence symbolic: Wiping out the enemy becomes wiping out one's own sins. Jenkins says that until recently, Islam had the same sort of holy amnesia, and many Muslims interpreted jihad, for example, as an internal struggle, not physical warfare....

So is it just that simple? Religious texts teach violence, and so believers commit acts of violence that they believe will please God, until they just forget that the texts that teach violence are actually in their Scriptures? And what exactly makes them do this forgetting? Setting aside the fact that the Old Testament passages Jenkins cites are specific commands for a particular times and place, not universal commands for all believers for all time to make war against unbelievers, as we see in the Qur'an, it is also true that Jenkins completely ignores the fact that it was Jewish and Christian principles involving the dignity of the human person as made in the image of God that led to the spiritualizing of violent passages in the first place. He also neglects to mention that when these passages were used in history to justify violence, this was contrary to their mainstream interpretations both before and after the periods in which the violence was committed.

In Islam, by contrast, there is such a sharp dichotomy between the believer and the unbeliever (cf. Qur'an 48:29, which tells the Muslim to behave mercifully to fellow believers, but harshly to unbelievers), that the spiritualizing of violent Qur'anic passages has never taken place. Jenkins claims that "until recently, Islam had the same sort of holy amnesia, and many Muslims interpreted jihad, for example, as an internal struggle, not physical warfare." In reality, the two understandings have never been considered mutually exclusive by Islamic scholars. Hasan al-Banna, founder of the Muslim Brotherhood and great proponent of violent jihad, mandated Sufi spiritual exercises for the early Brothers, so that they would not neglect the aspect of jihad as internal struggle. The Chechen jihad was long led by Sufis -- the great proponents of that internal jihad.

And it simply isn't true that until recently, the prevailing understanding among Muslims was that jihad is an internal struggle, but now that is changing. Imran Ahsan Khan Nyazee, Assistant Professor on the Faculty of Shari'ah and Law of the International Islamic University in Islamabad, his 1994 book The Methodology of Ijtihad offers a quite different explanation of why jihad may appear to be a relatively recent phenomenon. He asserts: "The primary goal of the Muslim community, in the eyes of its jurists, is to spread the word of Allah through jihad, and the option of poll-tax [jizya] is to be exercised only after subjugation" of non-Muslims. But if this is so, why hasn't the worldwide Islamic community been waging jihad on a large scale up until relatively recently? Nyazee says it is only because they have not been able to do so: "the Muslim community may be considered to be passing through a period of truce. In its present state of weakness, there is nothing much it can do about it."

Perhaps Philip Jenkins would be so kind as to explain to Imran Ahsan Khan Nyazee how he misunderstands Islam. Or perhaps Waleed El-Ansary, who is cited later on in the NPR piece, would take on the job:

That may be the popular notion of jihad, says Waleed El-Ansary, but it's the wrong one. El-Ansary, who teaches Islamic studies at the University of South Carolina, says the Quran explicitly condemns religious aggression and the killing of civilians. And it makes the distinction between jihad -- legal warfare with the proper rules of engagement -- and irjaf, or terrorism.

"All of those types of incidences -- [Sept. 11], Maj. Nidal Hasan and so forth -- those are all examples of irjaf, not jihad," he says. According to the Quran, he says, those who practice irjaf "are going to hell."

The problem with El-Ansary's slick explanation, of course, is that the Qur'an actually never "condemns religious aggression and the killing of civilians" -- if those civilians are non-Muslims. The NPR article offers no supporting citations. I invite all Muslim readers of this site (and non-Muslim Islamic apologists) to offer verses to support this assertion in the comments field below, and I will check in from time to time and examine each one that is offered in light of the mainstream and authoritative tafasir, or Muslim commentaries on the Qur'an.

So what's going on here? After all, we all have images of Muslim radicals flying planes into buildings, shooting up soldiers at Fort Hood, trying to detonate a bomb on an airplane on Christmas Day. How to reconcile a peaceful Quran with these violent acts?

El-Ansary says that in the past 30 years, there's been a perfect storm that has created a violent strain of Islam. The first is political: frustration at Western intervention in the Muslim world. The second is intellectual: the rise of Wahhabi Islam, a more fundamentalist interpretation of Islam subscribed to by Osama bin Laden. El-Ansary says fundamentalists have distorted Islam for political purposes.

"Basically what they do is they take verses out of context and then use that to justify these egregious actions," he says.

Contradiction: the word "fundamentalist," which is misapplied to Islam in the first place, usually means someone who takes the text literally. But here El-Ansary would have us understand that the "fundamentalists" in Islam are misusing the texts. So then how are they fundamentalists at all?

El-Ansary says we are seeing more religious violence from Muslims now because the Islamic world is far more religious than is the West.

Wait a minute. The Islamic world is more religious, and yet so few people seem to notice that the Islamic jihadists are taking all these Qur'anic verses out of context?

Still, Jenkins says Judeo-Christian cultures shouldn't be smug. The Bible has plenty of violence.

"The scriptures are still there, dormant, but not dead," he says, "and they can be resurrected at any time. Witness the white supremacists who cite the murderous Phineas when calling for racial purity, or an anti-abortion activist when shooting a doctor who performs abortions....

15,000 Islamic jihad attacks, about half a dozen murders of abortionists in the last thirty years, and they're equivalent. Right.

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As bad as this was, they did include a comment from Andrew Bostom in the full story which played over the air.

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Andrew Bostom calls this analysis "preposterous." Bostom, editor of The Legacy of Jihad, says there's a major difference between the Bible, which describes the destruction of an enemy at a point in time, and the Quran, which urges an ongoing struggle to defeat unbelievers.

"It's an aggressive doctrine," he says. "The idea is to impose Islamic law on the globe."

Take suicide attacks, he says — a tactic that Muslim radicals have used to great effect in the U.S., Iraq, Afghanistan and the Middle East. It's true that suicide from depression is forbidden in Islam — but Bostom says the Quran and the Hadith, or the sayings of Muhammad, do allow self-destruction for religious reasons.

"The notion of jihad martyrdom is extolled in the Quran, Quran verse 9:1-11. And then in the Hadith, it's even more explicit. This is the highest form of jihad — to kill and to be killed in acts of jihad."
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Then they go to another scholar who says the exact opposite.

What is frustrating about articles like these is not so much because of idiots like Philip Jenkins, but because idiots like him are given nearly all the floor time.

The Koran cannot be understood except in the original Arabic.
So "Slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them" is really a 7th Arabic century colloquialism meaning "Help old ladies cross busy streets, remember to feed the birds in winter and invite the local vicar and rabbi round for tea".

Phil Jenkins again?....I remember him from about one year ago....on the same subject...Qur'anic violence vs Violence in the Bible...
take the time to ...as they say...read it all..

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/03/bible-and-quran-equally-violent.html

I can not accept, Nor will I tolerate, anymore deceptive stories and explanations about Islam.

There isn't anyone on this planet that should accept this article for what it is.

It is pure deception.

People such as Mr. Jenkins are inbued with the very dangerous presumption that Islam will 'mellow' with time,because other religions have.
So, based on this wrong presumption, which ignores the historical evidence of Islam's massive aggression against non-Muslims (and fellow Muslims) over 14 centuries, Mr. Jenkins advises us against the dangers of Judaism and Christianity! Of course, he ignores the blatantly obvious: that Jews and Christians have been, and still are, the victims of such Islamic aggression, as evidenced on this site daily. His message: 'let's delude ourselves, and pretend that Islam is not as it is'.

I take it Jenkins actually believes the nonsense he spouts. Better that he does. After all, it's preferable to be foolish rather than wicked even if fools sometimes do more harm than the wicked. Hopefully any harm Jenkins does with these ill-conceived ideas of his respecting Islam and other religions will be minimal.

I do believe this site is under concentrated asault by Obama moonies, in addition to the usual muslim tools.

Interesting, and rather disturbing.

How may Christians has this dope seen, quoting the Bible and pronouncing 'slay the unbelievers' ? Really, one would have to disconnect themselves from current and past events to find any equivalence what so ever here.

Not only that but the Koran is so subtle and transcendent that it takes a superior spiritual soul to even be able to comprehend the wonder and beauty of it! When some low Westerner reads the Koran they entirely miss the whole point since they are not worthy! But anyone can understand the whole wondrous miraculous splendor of it, all you have to do is become a Muslim, then at that point it will all make perfect sense!

the Quran explicitly condemns religious aggression and the killing of civilians. And it makes the distinction between jihad -- legal warfare with the proper rules of engagement -- and irjaf, or terrorism.

This is not the statement of religion, it is the statement of hostile government...Religions are not supposed to have 'proper rules of engagement'...Nor declare or conduct warfare...Islam is a government with no main office, hiding behind religion...
In the US it should be declared not a religion, but a hostile government, and lose it's tax exempt status...

"15,000 Islamic jihad attacks" since 9/11

The ROP tally hit 15k on Monday the 15th (the ides of March...hah!)
At 5k there was about 1000 attacks per year, now it's double.

Islam is a government with no main office, hiding behind religion...

Thank you, DS. Now that's clarity.

National Propaganda Radio offers dribble like this all the time. NPR loves the Arts and story telling is their favorite form. Fiction at it's finest with a pinch of reality to sell their Novel. People pay good money to them too. The comfort of their Prose is just too hard to live without.

"The scriptures are still there, dormant, but not dead," he says, "and they can be resurrected at any time." -- headline

Can be resurrected at any time? Oh brother! ...talk about phantom-fearmongering.

In addition to the specific time and place argument, the Book of Samuel was believed to be written anywhere from 700 to 900 years before the birth of Christ, in other words, before Christianity began. It hardly seems sporting to attribute it as a Christian verse. Setting that aside, if we who are Christian are to be allowed the same concept of abrogation that Islam uses, we may say that the peaceful New Testament Christian verses abrogate the violent pre-Christian ones of the Old Testament, exactly the opposite of the case with Islam where the violent verses abrogate the peaceful ones. So where Jenkins quotes the pre-Christian Old Testament violent verses of Samuel, they have been abrogated by New Testament verses such as "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" (John 8:7).

I'm sure Mr. Jenkins, a professor at Penn State University and author of two books dealing with the issue, realizes this, but just conveniently ignores it.

There is no need for abrogation in the Bible. It is not a "how to" book where every verse is supposed to be some sort of command to robots to act. It is the history of the Jewish people, WARTS AND ALL, the good, the bad and the ugly. This is why those who claim that it is all manmade need to think - why would stories of people doing bad things be included? Are they an example? Yes, for what NOT to do! If someone is too moronic, too idiotic, too spit dribbling stupid to figure out which people and or actions in the bible they are supposed to emulate and those they are not then they deserve the fate they will get.

Ya know, people get all hissied up about the poor Amalekites without knowing much about why they were to be exterminated. A number of years ago there was a journal article about some archaeological digs in that part of the world that brought to the surface a mess of pottery and such from the Amalekites.

The problem was that the imagery on the pottery and other objects was so pornographic and violent that professional scientific journals refused to show the pictures.

So the next time someone starts crying a river for the Amalekites just start asking them how much they know about them.

Palamas, could you give me a bibliographic reference on the article you read, or a web page that might discuss the evidence? I'm rather surprised that archaeologists in this rather liberated day and age would hide such things.

Pulsar 182 wrote:

Phil Jenkins again?....I remember him from about one year ago....on the same subject...Qur'anic violence vs Violence in the Bible...
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Good catch, Pulsar! In that article—from almost exactly a year ago—he was on about Joshua rather than Samuel. Apart from that, the twaddle is much the same.

I bet Jenkins is your typical western hating liberal since his view on the Bible is quite common among this set. Heck just go over to Dkos or Huffpost when they have a article about religion and you'll find the same sort of Bible bashing going on.

The only good thing about this situation with Jenkins is that NPR listenership is already quite liberal and small.

Follow the money.

Check his travels.

Check with whom he hangs out and it will all fall in place.

Philip Jenkins' moral equivalence gets much worse.

He wrote a book called "Images of terror: what we can and can't know about terrorism".

Here he is, describing the horrific 2002 attack on a bus in Israel by Hamas suicide-bomber Muhammad al-Ghoul, which killed 19 Jewish civilians, including a little 11-year-old girl:

"Even in a case that seems to be simply and undeniably terrorism, many diverse views are possible."

"Many *diverse views*"?

It seems there is no real "good" and "evil", because everything is open to interpretation.

He then suggests that since you cannot really know anything about terrorism—including whether or not it should be called "terrorism"—that you can't really respond to it in any way.

You can read a long excerpt of Jenkins' appalling book here:

http://books.google.com/books?id=dU-FETuxey8C&printsec=frontcover&dq=Philip+Jenkins+%2B+terrorism&source=bl&ots=O2mD0WvMW_&sig=n0B-NXOXynnWWrNFviEqLpdN4aw&hl=en&ei=g4KlS_OcGYvUtgO2ppi9BA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CA0Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=&f=false

It occurs to me that I should clarify what I wrote above. If a writer points out that Muslims often justify acts of Jihad terror, and does so in order to enlighten Infidel readers as to the nature of Jihad, *in order for them to oppose it in a more knowledgeable manner*, then I am all for it. That is what Robert Spencer and JihadWatch does.

But if a writer notes Muslim approval of Jihad terror, and presents it as a valid viewpoint—equal in every way to opposition to Jihad terror—then that writer is the very worst sort of apologist for evil, and a defacto supporter of it.

I like NPR for their music & arts information, but for news and stories like this, they drive me nuts. I am glad I did not see this while I was on their site because I would not have been able to refrain from sending them a way-too-long, scathing email. I can't even read this entire post here because it makes me so angry.

I am so sick and tired of the false comparisons between the Bible and the Koran. I'd bet money that the people who say such things have never read either one in full. Anyone who does that can clearly see the difference!

Goodness gracious, Dorothy!

All these naughty old people who misunderstand Islam! J

ee willikers! There must be several tens of thousands now.

Since 9-11, there have been 3 deadly jihad attacks EVERY SINGLE DAY. Wowee!

I don't know about you, but Phillip Jenkins must think 3 deadly jihad attacks per day is alright!

Everyone, calm down. Forget Jihad Jane, Mullah Awlaki, Nidal Hasan. Forget the Islamic conquests, slavery, 270 millions killed by jihads, oppression of women, no free speech.

Benign old Islam.

He's dangerous. All the more so because he has the ear of the Evangelicals at 'Christianity Today' and of the conservative Catholics who run 'First Things'.

Just read this article, about 'religious tensions' in Nigeria ('religious tensions' being a media weasel-word we encounter frequently in reports of what Muslim mobs are doing to Christians in Pakistan, Egypt, Nigeria, etc.):

http://www.theglobalist.com/StoryId.aspx?StoryId=2874

Note the final two paragraphs:

"In view of the post-September 11 global tensions between Muslims and Christians — not to mention between Muslims and Jews — the world should watch the developments in Nigeria closely.

"One way or another, they might provide important lessons for how to resolve such tensions. Hopefully, the example will be a positive one."

Observe the equivalencing implicit in the phrase 'tensions BETWEEN Muslims and Christians', 'BETWEEN Muslims and Jews'. Rather than, say, come straight out and face facts by saying something like "continuous and unprovoked Muslim aggression AGAINST, or, ATTACKS UPON Christians and Jews...(and everybody else who isn't a Muslim, e.g. Buddhists in Thailand and Hindus in Bangladesh and Pakistan).

Between the lines, I have a nasty suspicion that he would be perfectly content for Christians and Jews worldwide to 'resolve' these 'tensions' not by resisting Jihad, but by submitting to dhimmitude.

I'd like to see him invited to debate face to face with Patrick Sookhdeo and Robert Spencer.

A living room, three chairs, a camera crew, and an hour to go at it, no holds barred.

It seems to me in my more rational moments that there is a very simple answer to the NPR nonsense. Don't argue with them.

Simply state, the problem with Muslims is here today and must be addressed now. If and when Christians start abiding by any vicious passages such as you think exist in the Bible we can deal with them, too.

Dealing with a phantom prospective problem when faced with a difficult real problem is a guaranteed way to be a loser.

{^_^}

I believe that MANKIND becomes less violent and more benign over the years, yes. But not Islam.

The progress mankind makes must be fought for, for progress there must be much education, curiosity, honesty, insight through experience & study & debate and people must speak about what they perceive as wrong, to be improved.

Now apparently mankind is going to take on Islam, in the 21st century to overcome its obsolete and inhibiting, often even lethal tenets and teachings somehow.

National Pallestinian Radio strikes again without giving the other side equal time. NPR listeners are quick to criticize "Right Wing Radio" but will tell you that stuff like this is ballanced and reasonable. Why is it that I can recognize propaganda from both sides but the Islamo- sympathizers can't? Now that Fox has gone soft on Jihad where are we to turn?

Sounder, I hear you loud and clear.

However, even though I freely admit to being an out-and-out Christian fundamentalist, I get a little worried about some people in the Christian Reconstructionist movement and Identity groups. But, then again, my theology does not say that being a Christian automatically exempts one from making mistakes.

Sounder, I hear you loud and clear.

However, even though I freely admit to being an out-and-out Christian fundamentalist, I get a little worried about some people in the Christian Reconstructionist movement and Identity groups. But, then again, my theology does not say that being a Christian automatically exempts one from making mistakes.

This is not the statement of religion, it is the statement of hostile government...Religions are not supposed to have 'proper rules of engagement'...Nor declare or conduct warfare...Islam is a government with no main office, hiding behind religion... (my bold)

This is so true, that it is not the domain of religion to dictate how war is to be conducted, anymore than Machiavelli's "The Prince" is a religious dissertation on how war should be conducted, such as described in "the Koran". Religion and government have two very distinct and separate roles, something totally lost on Mohammedans. This is perhaps the main reason why they and their Sharia cannot abide by a separation of "religion and state" as mandated in our Constitution, because they cannot in their thick heads separate that these are two very different and separate things.

NPR just doesn't get it. Jihad as war is part and parcel of Islamic religious theocratic governance, the two inseparable, which means that "Islam is war", by definition. The greatest lie perpetrated on humanity is the hyperbolic oxymoron that "Islam is peace". Sick!! Takiyya sick.

Just read this article, about 'religious tensions' in Nigeria ('religious tensions' being a media weasel-word we encounter frequently in reports of what Muslim mobs are doing to Christians in Pakistan, Egypt, Nigeria, etc.)
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Thanks for posting this, Dumbledore's Army. If you read the whole article, you will find that he refers to the bloody imposition of Shari'ah as a "reform".

This Jenkins story in The Globalist was adapted from his book, "The Next Christendom: The Coming of Global Christianity".

Here is a passage from a review from Library Journal on Amazon:

"[Christianity] will be able to overwhelm the present political secular nation- and city-states and replace them with theocracies, similar to the Islamic Arab nations."

This, in turn, will bring about "a new age of Christian crusades", as Christian zealots attack Muslims.

Insanity. Christians have shown no indications of wanting to set up "theocracies" along the lines of Muslim Shari'ah states.

From the review by Booklist:

"As he makes his case, Jenkins dispels some fashionable myths about historic Christianity; about historic Christian-Islamic relations; and about the nature of presumably pacific Hinduism..."

So, it sounds as though Jenkins not only posits that Islam will be under attack from crazed Christians, but from crazed Hindus, as well.

The review ends with this:

"...the problems of the Islamic and Christian global south will affect the global north, requiring genuine charity of the rich and genuine discernment of their leaders."

In other words, the West should be ponying up more money for what used to be known as "the Third World"—most especially the *Muslim Third World*.

This is entirely grotesque. Jenkins takes the genuine threat of Islamic Jihad and Shari'ah, and parodies it with the supposed threat posed by a resurgent Christianity to both Islam and the Western separation of church and state.

I normally do read things before commenting, but I've seen this sort of nonsense so many times that I couldn't stomach reading it again. Here's the comment I left on the site:


The Bible doesn't have any open-ended commands for believers to commit violence against unbelievers. The Koran does.

Neither are there any Christian or Jewish believers committing terrorist acts on a regular basis all around the world, in obedience to their religious texts. Muslims are doing so.

It really is as simple as that.

Thanks for that extra information. Like I said, this man is dangerous.

I wonder what Mr Jenkins would say if some Christians - having brushed up on the classic Christian 'just war' doctrines - were to tell him point blank that if the Christians of Africa - specially those in the Sudan and Nigeria, but most likely also those in the Central African Republic, Uganda, Kenya, Tanzania, and Ghana - do not wish to meet the same dreadful end as the Christians of the Christian kingdom of Nubia did (there are NO Nubian Christians today, their society was annihilated, Arabised and Islamised in the high middle ages) and as the Christians and Jews and pagans of North Africa, then...they will have to FIGHT, and Christians (and for that mater, any other sane non-Muslims) in the rest of the world will have to help them do so, yes, even by giving them modern up-to-date weaponry. And knowing what I do, about what Muslims did historically to Buddhists and Hindus in India - the pillage, the mass enslavements, the rapes, the mass murders by the scores of millions - I would have no hesitation , were *I* in a position of authority in my country, in giving substantial material assistance also to the Indians and the Thais in their struggle against the Muslims. As also to the Filipino non-Muslim nation, majority Catholic, in its weary struggle against the subversive, violent and cruel Muslims in the south of their country.

Mr Jenkins needs to be asked how exactly it was that the Ethiopian Christians (about whom he does have some knowledge) managed to sustain themselves as an independent society for centuries in the midst of a Muslim sea...basically, they occupied a splendidly militarily defensible position, a natural fortress, and at intervals in their history they fought like hell. Not as a 'Crusade' but in sheer desperate self-defence against a monstrous enemy. On one memorable occasion, the Portuguese Christians gave them a hand at it.

Had the Armenians been given a good deal more concrete, physical assistance by 'Christian' nations of the West, the genocide might not have taken place.

Mr Jenkins needs to be asked whether he approves or disapproves of the successful military rebellions which the Christians in Greece, Serbia, Bulgaria, Macedonia, Romania and Southern Hungary mounted against their monstrously cruel and exploitative Muslim imperial overlords. Does he think the liberation of Greece was a good thing? Something to be rejoiced over (as I, for one, rejoice)? Or does he think they should have meekly remained subordinate to the Turkish Muslims in perpetuity?

gravenimage,

Describing Jenkins' use of moral relativism to comment on the terrorist attack on a bus of civilians, you wrote:

"It seems there is no real "good" and "evil", because everything is open to interpretation."

Leftists like Jenkins are not really moral relativists; they are in fact absolutists. The absolute truth they believe is that Israel (and the West) is evil, and that Muslims (and non-Westerners in general) are good (though of course flawed in relatively minor ways). They use relativism selectively, in order to condemn the West and to exculpate Muslims. Were they truly relativists, they would never exculpate Muslims; but they do so unfailingly, and if here and there they might surprise us by seeming not to exculpate Muslims in certain particular instances -- as when they cannot avoid noticing some mass atrocity perpetrated by Muslims -- they make up for it by finding some way ultimately to blame the West for it.

We have a New Covenant through Christ Jesus. Let these critics find quotes from the Gospel about genocide.

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Chris Gaubatz, Muslim Mafia

“Armed with facts and fearlessness, Spencer stands up for Western civilization.”
Michelle Malkin

“Widely read in conservative foreign policy circles.”
New York Times

“Widely read in many quarters in Washington.”
Washington Post

“A canny operative who likely has the inside track on the State Department’s Middle East affairs desk should the tea party win the White House.”
New York Magazine

“A hero of the American right.”
Karen Armstrong

"The leading anti-Islamic intellectual in the United States....The go-to Islam expert for the right wing."
Salon Magazine

“Robert Spencer is an Edward Said turned upside down.”
Stephen Suleyman Schwartz

“One of the nation's most notorious Islamophobes.”
Hamas-linked CAIR

"Geller and Spencer are probably the most important propagandizing Islamophobes in the world. These people's voices speak very loudly — not just here in the United States but overseas."
Heidi Beirach, Southern Poverty Law Center

“Satanic ignoramus.”
Khaleel Mohammed

“The Likud anti-Christ.”
Dar al-Hayat newspaper (Saudi Arabia)

“Zionist Crusader, missionary of hate, counter-Islam consultant.”
Al-Qaeda’s Adam Gadahn, “Azzam the American”



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