These men were not arrested or cited. They were questioned. I also have been questioned about my activities and allegiances after people have seen me in airports working on a website that prominently mentions "jihad." When CAIR and these Muslim men try to make a big deal of this, the underlying agenda is clear: they are trying to inhibit law enforcement personnel. They're trying to make sure that police and other investigators will be too intimidated and hamstrung by PC sensibilities to question young Muslim men about their actions, no matter where, no matter how suspicious.
Remember also that CAIR was involved in the attempt by six imams who were taken off an airplane after other passengers complained about their behavior to sue those passengers. If they had succeeded, people would have been afraid to report suspicious behavior by Muslims, for fear of getting sued. This is of a piece with that.
"Muslim Men Claim Henderson Police Detained Them for Praying," from LasVegasNow, March 5 (thanks to herr Oyal):
LAS VEGAS - Henderson Police are investigating some of their own officers regarding a complaint filed by a group of Muslim men who stopped to pray in a parking lot.The incident happened in December. The Muslim men were passing through Las Vegas on a road trip. They stopped at a convenience store parking lot in Henderson to perform their sunset prayer. According to documents obtained by 8 News NOW, a concerned citizen called the police, saying seven Middle Eastern males were acting suspiciously by a gray minivan with California license plates. The caller reported several of the men were kissing the ground.
Minutes later, Henderson Police officers arrived on the scene. One of the Muslim men recorded the incident with his cell phone.
Watch Cell Phone Video from the Incident
"We don't (have) you at gunpoint," one of the officers said. "We're not going to throw you down on the ground or handcuff you right now. We just want to make sure that you guys are good people."
"We are praying," one of the men replied. "You know, this is a Muslim prayer. Is that enough for you to say that this is suspicious activity?"
"Well, that's why I'm checking it out," the officer replied.
"Do you think it is," the Muslim man asked.
"I think there's somebody out there that called us and said, 'Hey check this out,'" the officer said. "Did I see you guys praying? No. Do I know what you were saying? I don't know if you guys repeat the same thing, or if you're actually over there saying, 'I hope that I kill a police officer today.' I don't know that you're not saying that."
After almost 45 minutes, the Muslim men were on their way. They were not arrested or cited. They are now vowing to fight what they consider an unlawful stop.
Cue the obligatory mainstream media CAIR reference with no hint that CAIR is an unsavory Hamas-linked group that has opposed every anti-jihad effort ever devised by man:
The Council on American-Islamic Relations, or CAIR, has filed a formal complaint with the Henderson Police Department.Read the Letter from CAIR to Henderson Police
"What the men really want to see is change within the police department and (a change in) law enforcement attitude toward people engaged in religious activity," CAIR Los Angeles Chapter staff attorney Ameena Qazi said. The Muslim travelers also want compensation for damages and emotional distress....
"We were just praying that the bomb we built would work properly!"
Also:
Just un-effing believable.
I must be living in a parallel universe.
Shame on you, America! Grow some! Boot'em out now before it's too late - as it is for "Eurabia."
The more Muslims we have, the more of this type of behaviour we can expect.
The motive is not just to prevent law enforcement personnel from questioning their activity, but to make every square inch of public space into a a reserved space for Muslim prayers. In effect, it is claiming territory.
In days gone by a British naval officer landing on the coast of some island or continent, would claim that land in the name of Her Majesty. This is type of behaviour is similar. In effect, land is being claimed for Islam and is being Islamified.
Now Muslims will claim that these are just innocent prayers, and reading ulterior objectives is Islamophobia. Take care. Islamic prayers are not like prayers as we understand. They are a method of intimidation and laying claim, just as chants of "Allahu Akhbar".
How do we stop it, as state authorities can do nothing to prevent public praying. There is a method. We can engage in innocent activity. If there is a place where Muslims start to engage in prayers, use it to de-Islamify the place by some activity that is innocent, but yet abhorrent to Muslims- take the dog out for a walk, is one.
Police Officer: "Did I see you guys praying? No. Do I know what you were saying? I don't know if you guys repeat the same thing, or if you're actually over there saying, 'I hope that I kill a police officer today.' I don't know that you're not saying that."
Wow! I love this guy. Sez it exactly like it is. We need more such clear thinkers all over.
Hmm - wasn't Las Vegas one of the last hurrahs of the 9/11 terrorists??? It would be nice if during all this the cops were able to secret a GPS or bug into their car.
How do we stop it, as state authorities can do nothing to prevent public praying?
Stop Muslim immigration should be our first line of defence.
I wonder what these supposedly devout chaps were doing in Las Vegas - the gambling capital of the world - in the first place?
Isn't gambling prohibited in Islam?
The Muslim travelers also want compensation for damages and emotional distress....
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Of course they do. A bit of Jizya, a bit of intimidation to law enforcement...
Maybe they shouldn't pray on private property unless its their own. If I owned a convenience store and saw a bunch of men loitering and 'kissing the ground' on my property, I'd complain too.
An "unlawful stop"? Is there any such animal? As far as I know, the cops in my town, at least, can stop anyone anytime they feel a concern. I've been stopped for walking alone after dark. I've been stopped while walking with my husband, after dark.
Stopping people is one of the things cops do. That's why they have badges; a symbol of their authority to do so.
Incidents like this just blow my mind.
"We are praying," one of the men replied. "You know, this is a Muslim prayer. Is that enough for you to say that this is suspicious activity?"
"Well, that's why I'm checking it out," the officer replied.
"Do you think it is," the Muslim man asked.
Seems like the muslims were trying to bait the officer into saying something they could be outraged about later.
And to think, this is only the beginning.
I suspect they have done this in several locations and finally got a bite.
Now they can demand sensitivity training for the Henderson police force. And, of course, demand an apology.
We have to alert law enforcement of their tactics as soon as we hear about one of these events.
Same here. I was once stopped for simply taking a casual stroll in a historical district after shops had closed. The officer asked to see my ID, and that was it. He went on his way and I went on mine.
Me thinks the 45 minute delay was due to the muslim men's argumentative attitude. Had they simply respected the officer and politely answered his questions, they probably would have been on their way in a few minutes.
But, we can't expect muslims to respect the kuffar, who have no authority under islamic laws.
These are acts of “opening” the world to Islam and expressing Islamic jihad in another fashion. In this particular case the removal of obstacles or hindrances to public in-your-face prayer demonstrations seems to have been the objective.
Muslim scholar Bassam Tibi explains:
At its core, Islam is a religious mission to all humanity. Muslims are religiously obliged to disseminate the Islamic faith throughout the world. ”We have sent you forth to all mankind” (Q. 34:28). If non-Muslims submit to conversion or subjugation, this call (dawa) can be pursued peacefully. If they do not, Muslims are obliged to wage war against them. In Islam, peace requires that non-Muslims submit to the call of Islam, either by converting or by accepting the status of a religious minority (dhimmi) and paying the imposed poll tax, jizya. World peace, the final stage of the dawa, is reached only with the conversion or submission of all mankind to Islam. Muslims believe that expansion through war is not aggression but a fulfillment of the Quranic command to spread Islam as a way to peace. The resort to force to disseminate Islam is not war (harb), a word that is used only to describe the use of force by non-Muslims. Islamic wars are not hurub (the plural of harb) but rather futuhat, acts of “opening” the world to Islam and expressing Islamic jihad. Relations between dar al-Islam, the home of peace, and dar al-harb, the world of unbelievers, nevertheless take place in a state of war, according to the Quran and to the authoritative commentaries of Islamic jurists. Unbelievers who stand in the way, creating obstacles for the dawa, are blamed for this state of war, for the dawa can be pursued peacefully if others submit to it. In other words, those who resist Islam cause wars and are responsible for them. Only when Muslim power is weak is temporary truce (hudna) allowed (Islamic jurists differ on the definition of temporary).
If I ever see anything like this, I hope I'll have the figurative balls to stop, kneel in front of whomever is kissing the ground, and recite the Lord's prayer, until they have finished.
It may sound cynical to think of using prayer in this way, but I'm not so sure it is. Prayer is one of the weapons God has given us.
I've already countered the muezzin's call to prayer with "Amazing Grace" at the top of my lungs. It wasn't pretty--I can't carry a tune in a bucket--but it was a rush! (Good thing I didn't attempt the Star-Spangled Banner; that would have been ugly, indeed.)
The ostentatious public prayer displays of Muslims do not impress me at all, in fact they sicken me. It is not so much them truly attempting to communicate with their god (Allah/Satan), instead it is a public display of force rather like a group of soldiers standing in formation meant to intimidate. The problem is that if you tried to outlaw it then "all" religions would be affected. The presence of Muslims in a [currently] free society ruins even the notion of public prayer. What was once the rare case of a group of committed believers joining hands in public and praying for this or that concern is now an organized subversive process that threatens the ability of anyone to pray in public.
You got that right! Clear headed thinking defeats 'em every time.
Note how the musselman starts in with the taqquiya talking about he is offended he has to be searched! The Officer was dead on and caught the sly slip of intention to cause mischief in the future, "NOT searched!" But busted! haha.
This was an intentional display with CAIR backing them up and looking for the jizya. It is incumbent for them to be consistently be beaten in court until they've proven to all what butt-wipes they really are.
They were on private property.
Who called the police?
Maybe the convenience store owner or worker called the police. They would have had a perfectly good reason to call the police.
The moslems have NO right to park, walk, poop or pray on somebody else's property WITHOUT the owners consent. PERIOD!
If it were my property I would have called the police and told the police to get the SCUM of my land!
IF They were not stopping to SHOP at my store, get OFF!
MY OWNER'S RIGHTS WOULD trump the moslem's right to anything!
A police officers is required in his training to investigate suspicious activities. This is what police officers do every hour of the day or night.
Responding to a call by a witness or an informant cannot be ignored, it must be investigated since the caller is determined to be what is defined as a "reliable, or reasonable source" for the investigation of suspicious activity.
Courts in the past have ruled that officers should not detain an individual for more than thirty minutes as a general rule if it is determined that no crime has been committed. In this case there were several detainees investigated and the officers where in there right to fully investigate what they where doing. A failure to do so would have been a violation of their oath as officers of the law.
As I write this hundreds if not thousands of Americans across the country are being investigated for suspicious activity by police officers,deputy sheriffs,FBI,DEA agents Etc. It is within their full duty and responsibility to do so under the law of the land as well as the laws of search and seizure no matter how innocent the party(s)may turn out to be.
Haha. That was a good one. Here in S.D., I make the sign of the Cross in front of the older Somali musselmen who glare at me. Always gets their goat too...
"What the men really want to see is change within the police department and (a change in) law enforcement attitude toward people engaged in religious activity," CAIR Los Angeles Chapter staff attorney Ameena Qazi said. The Muslim travelers also want compensation for damages and emotional distress....
Uuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh,then why didn't we hear a THING last month when an orthodox Jew took put on teffillin to pray on an airplane???Other passengers were worried/concerned about this and made a big stink ,thinking "hijacker"(or some such".But on the other hand I haven't seen yards of newsprint about Anti-semitism or "Jewophobia" b/c of that incident.If CAIR(those phonies)meant what they said ,they'd stick up fot ALL religious rights,not just Islamic...I hate blatant hypocrisy.Why don't they just admit they want jizya from the dirty infidels for daring to question their perfect Islamic selves?!??
thanx,kittbootz
True statement and good point, but someone forgot to tell the Saudis that you "can do nothing to stop public praying."
In California at least, a store open to the public is not considered 'private' during business hours...Since these guys were praying in the parking lot, they may be creating a hazard, for themselves and drivers in the lot...
My experience with parking lots is that most drivers suspend the rules while in parking lots, making them almost as dangerous as the roads...It would be entirely possible for a
unaware driver, not expecting men praying, could plow right into them...They were endangering themselves and the public...The police had every right and duty to check them out...No compensation for anything...They suffered no damages, and if their feelings were hurt...too bad...
"What the men really want to see is change within the police department and (a change in) law enforcement attitude toward people engaged in religious activity," CAIR Los Angeles Chapter staff attorney Ameena Qazi said.
Exploding bombs and spraying civilians with assault rifles is also "religious activity."
And that doesn't even include non-lethal activities such as intimidation and assault.
Guess the police shouldn't investigate any of those things.
ThinkTrice, you are right on the money. They employ this cultural judo to turn our best intentions, rights, privileges and institutions against us. They're gaming us. To protect themselves, they want to force us to act against ourselves; they want to turn freedom inside-out and throw it in our faces. Planting the seeds of freedom's destruction, that's exactly their intent! In islam's hall-of-mirrors, all that is good is bad, all that is bad is good. And, as ImNoDhimmi said above, this is just the beginning. Islam distorts and ruins everything it touches...
'If I ever see anything like this, I hope I'll have the figurative balls to stop, kneel in front of whomever is kissing the ground, and recite the Lord's prayer, until they have finished.'
I recommend a few rousing choruses of 'Onward Christian Soldiers'. Persuade anyone else around to join in with you, too.
Some years ago I used to get stopped regularly when returning to (military) base on my motorbike. I never complained, as it was usually about 03:00! Anyone doing anything unusual in public should expect to attract notice from the police - it's part of their job.
GO HOME AND PRAY
Pious Punks!!
Prayer and a visit to a strip club almost always precedes terror attacks in the U.S. NV has many such clubs.
Why couldn't they just park the van facing Mecca and pray inside? Making a public spectacle of praying sounds provacative.
In either case, the cops were wise to check this out.
Muslim customs, Muslim laws, Muslim attitudes, Muslim everything, contradict, in ways little and big, the legal and political institutions, the laws and customs, the social arrangements and understandings, of advanced Western non-Muslim societies. Why should we change our ways, our customs, our laws, our understandings, our legal and political institutions? There are a dozen reasons why a group of men crouching together on the pavement of a parking lot are going to disrupt the public and, of course, nowadays -- for reasons Muslims have only themselves to blame, and their perceived behavior all around the world, including, just the other day, that bloody business in Nigeria, where 500 inoffensive Christians, mostly women and children, were hacked to death by Muslims -- also frighten a good many people.
Such public displays of serried ranks of Believers all bowing as one Mecca-wards, declaring physically their allegiance to Arabia and the customs of seventh-century Arabs, are disturbing. The ostentatious display, in our public spaces, five times a day, of allegiance to one particular seventh-century Arab who Muslims are taught to regard as the Perfect Man, al-insan al-kamil, despite accounts of his life which we non-Muslims can now read, and many have read, and -- not being Muslims -- have found to be not edifying but horrifying -- is not an act of private worship but an act of mental aggression, an act which says: We are Muslims, we pray where we want, we do what we want. Infidel laws and customs and understandings are of no consequence to us, and we don't care what you think. The world belongs to Allah. Soon enough you will come to understand that.
I am not the only one, I know from talking to many other people, who find the spectacle of those serried ranks of males bowing deeply down in unison to be reminiscent not of what goes on in churches and chapels, but rather, of something else. What is that something else? Well, in the collectivism of this display, always aggressively male and, the sort of gathering that a Christian or Jew or Hindu might choose to steer well clear of, not only because we have horrifying accounts of what has happened when non-Muslims in Muslim-ruled lands (e.g., Bangladesh) happen to be passing near mosques just after Friday Prayers let out, because after the khutba or sermon people are whipped up, and what they are whipped up about is Islam, and the kuffar, the Unbelievers, who alway and everywhere seem to be offering either the whisperings of shaytan or otherwise,defying the will of Allah and of Muslims.
When I see thousands of people in a mosque, I am put in mind not of a gathering at St. Peter's, but rather, of a Nuremberg Rally, a horizontal collective affair, rather than vertical, with the prostration itself performing, or signifying, blind obedience of the kind that, at the real Nuremberg, is signified by the heil-hitlering salute of thousands, yelling in unison, and saluting, and re-saluting.
This was done to provoke this reaction. More court-room jihad.
Do muslims always carry video cams while praying? Strange coincidence, eh? O, and the muslim photographer was ready with his questions and he even LIED to the officer by stating that he was "searched", but the officer quickly corrected him; and his questions were obviously designed to try and trick the officer into making incriminating statements.
muslims lie, plain and simple, and their unholy book the CreepOn instructs them to lie. islam was founded on one LIE after another. Period.
Could someone point me in the direction of an English or interlinear translation of the rote prayers recited by Muslims? Thanks in advance.
" 'What the men really want to see is change within the police department and (a change in) law enforcement attitude toward people engaged in religious activity,' CAIR Los Angeles Chapter staff attorney Ameena Qazi said."
The first thing that hit me when reading this statement was the recent news from Pakistan of the jailing of Christians for 25 years for touching the Quran with "dirty hands" and the picture in my minds eye from the internet of Coptic Christians' blood splattered on the steps of their cathedral in January, the day of Coptic Christmas celebrations becoming a day of mourning thanks to Muslim killers. I never heard one peep out of CAIR about hoping that Pakistani courts or Egyptian law enforcement would change THEIR attitudes!
Police departments need to be warned of the deliberate attempt by Muslims to get police to say, or do, something that can then be held against them. In this case the officer acted perfectly, and if there is not yet a Slapp Suit way to deal with those who, like the Muslims now absurdly bringing suit, or threatening too (with or without the connivance of CAIR), then get the legislation passed that will make sure that systematic waging of what is now called "lawfare" by organized Muslim groups (or for that matter, individuals) can be handled properly, and a cost imposed on those waging such obvious lawfare. We don't have to be patsies. We don't have to get to the situation that so many in Western Europe, to their own deep chagrin and anguish, now -- a little late -- find themselves in.
Stormwarning:
I don't think you sound cynical. Prayer, true devout prayer, is a weapon in our arsenal. The radical secularists (as in atheists such as Dawkins) may think they will triumph without the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE but it is HE who will triumph because this is a war not only of flesh but of spirits. Let's just say I have no doubt who was in the cave with Mohammed masquerading as Angel Gabriel. I wouldn't not think we could go up against the Lie he has spawned without Faith, Hope and Love and TRUTH!
Hugh, good comparison between the Nuremberg rallies and Moslem mass prayers. It might be nice to see someone put together a photo-montage alternating between the two: first a frame of the massed Nazis giving the stiff-arm salute and shouting "Sieg Heil", then the massed Moslems knocking heads on the ground, shouting "Allah Akbar"; repeated back and forth several times, perhaps interspersed with a few sequences of Hitler ranting, and an imam or ayatollah doing likewise.
I forwarded all this information; PDF's Etc. to a friend of mine who works at a large Law enforcement training academy.
I am asking him to see if he can get a peer review going of this incident among his colleagues as it applies to the law and the US Constitutional process of said laws.
Courts have always held such field investigations to be fully legal. Law enforcement agencies have had these cases come forward 100's of times every year from people who feel they have been unfairly investigated. It is an expensive process for these cities every time someone sees dollars signs and decides to hire a trial lawyer.
The laws of "search and seizure" are continuously being re-interpreted for the slightest of variances and thus law enforcement personal should not be intimidated by them as joe blow Vs. Texas Etc. changes all the time.
Unfortunately it is a world of the trial lawyers and their outrageous cases that we are all aware of in our American society that have a profound effect on the American people. It is that profound effect that has created the ugly perversion that is weakening the safety net of our society---namely POLITICAL CORRECTNESS!
Once upon a time in America, the cops had no right just to stop someone on the street and ask for i.d. If they did, one had the right to tell them to get lost.
When and if cases like this reach the courts, attorneys go through a long and individual process of each individual involved in the case.
Trial lawyers are even given the right to question officers in the presence of the police officers attorneys prior to a jury trial. Lawyers will bring in experts on law as it applies to particular incident to present to a jury. Historic precedent plays a strong role in the defense of police officers in these cases for the justification of the actions they may take.
I'm not a lawyer but:
We surely could stop them from putting down a prayer rug on public property - Christians can no longer put up creches on public proerty.
Every private property owner could put up a sign stating no display of public praying on this property or you will be towed away!!
Similar to the no parking except for this store only signs.
"We are praying," one of the men replied. "You know, this is a Muslim prayer. Is that enough for you to say that this is suspicious activity?"
FIRST salvo against the Law Enforcement Unit in Vegas. I think we are going to see many such organized by CAIR events in the coming years till people in the White House come to realize that it is a real INTERNAL STRUGGLE against the infidels - J I H A D. That may take a while unless Mr. Wilders takes a next flight and becomes the next President. There is a fat chance of that!
US, we have a real problem from very serious and dangerous folks who aint gonne respect our laws till we accommodate Sharia amendments. This is a very serious situation for the entire Western World.
"...aint gonne respect our laws till we accommodate Sharia amendments"
Actually they wouldn't respect our laws even if we did accommodate sharia amendments. The end game for them is the replacement of our laws with sharia. And even then any so-called "laws" that are supposed to protect or benefit the infidels in any way are routinely ignored with authorities looking the other way. No good can come from allowing Islam in the West.
The muslim was caught on tape LYING to the officer following his evening prayer. Hmm.
Yeah the muslim prayer warrior said he was "searched", when he wasn't. Good thing the officer quickly set the record straight.
Mathew 6:6
But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you
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Muslims pray in public to show they are religious
all show no real depth
Yea, what Hugh said.
And the reply that cop gave is priceless... and correct.
"I understand there's a conception"
So the moslem understands there is a conception, because almost all terrorist acts of late have been perpetrated by devout moslems, yet he fails to understand why as a moslem he should be subjected to closer scrutiny
The moslems were doing their job well, fortunately the cop was sharp enough to understand that he was dealing with a class of professional victims and being set up for lawfare Jihad. I tip my hat to the cop.
According to the incident report this incident took place on Sunday, December 20th, 2009 and the time stamp indicates 5:17:12pm Henderson, Nevada time. It would be interesting to see
as well as
The seven Muslim males were supposedly traveling. Are they related to each other? If not, where were they going as a group? Where were they traveling from as a group?
This whole thing appears contrived as an exercise in "Jihad for Henderson's dollars".
New command for suspicious officer:
"Just kneel where you are, and put your hands behind your back.
(lock up the whole lot of them and airlift them to mecca)
Can a muslim be a good American?
Geographically, no. His allegiance is to Arabia to which he prays five times a day
Religiously, no. He accepts no other religion as valid.
Socially,no. He is forbidden to take non-muhammadans as friends, advisors, guides, taskmasters.
Domestically, no. He is instructed to beat his wife if she is disobedient. to practice polygamy is he is able, to oppress and disenfranchise his wife/wives and daughters and other female relatives.
Politically, no. He is opposed to the US Constitution and wants it replaced with Shariah law.
Good point, mawskrat ...yet another Piety Alert!
" 'What the men really want to see is change within the police department and (a change in) law enforcement attitude toward people engaged in religious activity,' CAIR Los Angeles Chapter staff attorney Ameena Qazi said."
What CAIR really wants to see is a change within the police department so that nothing any Muslim ever does will be noticed by any police officer and if they do they will be severely punished, humiliated, called racists and threatened with the loss of their jobs and pensions. Do we as Americans really want to subject our police officers to this sort of unnecessary abuse and in turn, subject ourselves to it? What better way for Muslims to assert their delusional superiority over the rest of us than to all but ensure that they will never be held accountable for anything they do and make sure that the rest of us are always held accountable, and punished.
I think it's time for every red blooded American citizen to look for ways to undermine and subvert any and every kind of Muslim activity in their vicinity. I'm not saying be destructive but rather, find ways to throw a wrench in these ridiculous activities that Muslims keep trying to provoke us with.
Lorfalcon is onto something. This is OUR country and we have a right to demand equality and adherence to OUR laws and we have a right to practice OUR traditions and OUR religious beliefs. Just because we are pretty darn polite and accomodating is no reason for us to give in to the demands of barbarians in our midst.
When you see a head bangers ball prayer exhibit going on, walk in front of these folks, say your prayers, make the sign of the cross or do something that is provocative. Or better yet pray out loud for the conversion of the Muslims in front of you.
And perhaps its time to engage in conversation with those chicks who insist on standing out by wearing the niqab and demanding their rights to not be noticed. (Uh-huh.) Perhaps we should ask them a lot of questions like:
Why do you wear that thing?
Isn't hot in there?
Do you have trouble breathing?
I s this some sort of religious thing you're doing and if not is it just to garner attention?
If it is a religious thing then how come all Muslim women don't wear it?
Make yourself a real pest and maybe, just maybe these girls won't be so eager to wear these things outside since it will become too much of a pain in the butt.
Mumble 'allah-akbar' under your breath. Loud enough for the muhammadan to hear, but no one else.
When they look daggers at you, smile and make the peace sign.
"islam means peace, right dude?"
(or if you want confrontation, replace the peace sign with the hitler salute)
islam out of America PERIOD.
islam is at war with us
I'm at war with isalm, even if obama say's it is'nt so
The Muslim travelers also want compensation for damages and emotional distress....
this qualifies for a one way ticked out of dar-al-harb to dar-al-salam, with no possibility of return. Compensated? Salaam-aleikom, jihad scum.
Battle, how about a good ass kicking instead?
Yankel, I like it!
Oh and one more thing, don't buy kabobs. I love em but I will not support the ummah. Sorry. : (
Thought you'd enjoy this twisted thing from the world of Dar al Islam. And this is very important as to how one's god perceives the validity of one's worship, remember.
No wonder the Las Vegas crew was upset. They lost their place and now they have to start over.
http://moonsighting.com/faq_pt.html
More than two months after the event, which took place on December 20, 2009, apparently CAIR decided to have one of its lawyers send a most aggressive letter to the police department of Henderson, Nevada. If the men whose actrivities were the subject of the most mild form of police inquiry – no handcuffs, no guns, no personal searches, and only, by CAIR’s own admission, the most “cursory search” of the car -- were all so very indignant, why did it take more than two months for that indignation to be expressed? Or was CAIR first determined to make sure they would all be willing to be used by CAIR (perhaps one or two held out for a while – we don’t know), but also wanted to wait a little bit longer, given the effect on public opinion of other, well-publiciized cases of domestic terrorism.
Adherents of a faith that uncompromisingly insists on Muslim supremacism, and in lands where Muslims rule, never think of granting non-Muslims genuinely equal treatment before the law (whether or not those countries model their legal code explicitly on the Shari'a), save possibly in Kemalist Turkey, or in some of the Central Asian stans where the effect of Soviet rule was to eradicate any vestige of the Shari’a, one would think might, at least if they have any sense of irony, a bit of embarrassment as they try to use the rights enshrined in the American Constitution, or in the codes of other Western states, in order to further their own ends. They know, even if they have not read Antoine Fattal's invaluable legal guide to the treatment of non-Muslims in Muslim societies, "Le status legal des non-Musulmanes en pays d'Islam,” how non-Muslims are treated. And thus it is particularly ironic to read a Muslim lawyer invoking, without the slightest irony, the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, as against the states (and by incorporation through the Due Process clause of the Fifth Amendment as against the Federal government). It’s such a very un-Islamic idea, treating groups equally, and so too is the Free Exercise clause which is impliedly invoked when it is claimed that there was interference with their exercise of their religious rights. But there was no such interference. The officers who came out to investigate came out precisely to investigate, to find out what was going on. They did so, according to the very tape made by one of the Muslims, politely, calmly, answering every question, and not rising to the bait when their actions were being deliberately, and provocatively, mis-described. They apparently took 35-40 minutes to run checks on all the people involved. That’s not exactly a long time. I have been kept sitting in a car for longer than that, on the very few occasions when I have been stopped for speeding, and only speeding by a very little. And no doubt many others have too.
And in the letter, Amina Qazi, Esq. claims that
“Officers also commented that Complainants might have been saying during their prayer, “I hope that I kill a police officer today.” That is not true. Listen to the last few seconds of the tape, beginning at about 2:05. You will hear, quite clearly, the officer explain that he did not know that they were engaged in prayer, that for all he knew they might have been sitting over there saying “I hope that I kill a police officer today.” Amina Qazi no doubt listened to that tape many times, and she must have heard him explain this. He did NOT say that such a remark may have been made”during their prayer.” He quite clearly explained he did not know they had been praying, and the hypothetical he gave – can she not recognize a hypothetical? – was not ascribing this statement as possibly being made as part of their prayer, or during their prayer, but as an example of what someone might be saying if that someone was not at prayer, because the police officer did not know, when he arrived, that the people involved had been praying and in any case, he had a solemn duty to check them all out. And I think Amina Qadi, and the people involved, and CAIR itself, all know exactly why he had a duty to perform his investigation with perfectly appropriate thoroughness. She, Amina Qazi, in her letter attempted to describe what the police officer said someone might have been saying as what it clearly was not -- as an assertion about what they might have been saying at prayer. Anyone listening again, and again, to the tape will see that that is true. Perhaps Amina Qazi will wish to amend her letter, or apologize to the police officer, and to the Police Department of Henderson, Nevada, and to many others as well. But I doubt it.
Not her first language. Tough to understand cultural references like "hypothetical". Remember, Allah knows best, so there is no hypothetical.
Why couldn't these savages stop in a rural area, spread their filthy prayer rugs, and grovel to allah in private? Why did they choose the parking lot of a private business, a public place where non-muslims would be forced to witness their disgusting ritual? They did it deliberately, hoping to attract attention and complaints from the "islamophobic" public for their pious, innocent supplication. How appropriate that they chose the outskirts of Las Vegas.
Islamic prayers are pagan rituals and the public should not be forcibly subjected to them, certainly not in parking lots or other public spaces. Airports, parking lots, and city streets are not appropriate venues for islamic group prayer. Next they'll want a muezzin in every public building and public area so they can stop in their tracks to pray. Can't you see people tripping over shoes in airports as they race to catch their flights? Muslims are inveterate provocateurs who eagerly invite and bask in the contempt and resentment they generate.
This tawdry sideshow was a contrived event and it culminated precisely as planned. Another victory for our enemies.
Yankel,
I was thinking of another "salute..."
G
What a silly, petty, god it must be who would require these actions and feel slighted if they weren't performed....
Wholly agree, Susanp ...great post.
I had an experience kinda-sorta like this once, I think it was in 2006. In the office building I used to work in there was a restaurant on the first floor with parking levels below it, and level P1 regularly filled up each evening with the vehicles of restaurant patrons. Also, we smokers took our breaks on P1. One early evening as I was having my break, this SUV with out of state plates pulled in and five ME guys got out, carefully laid out their prayer rugs just so, and rather noisily got down to the business of worshiping (I heard the term Allahu several times). Patrons arriving or leaving at the same time, I could tell, were horrified- as was I- at this very bizarre spectacle. The cops were not called in this case and the men soon got up and went into the restaurant, but I can tell you (by looks exchanged) that everyone walking through the garage at that time was absolutely freaked out by this "devotional display." I saw at least one arriving couple hurriedly get back into their car and leave. It was very intimidating, and I'm sure those guys didn't at all mind it being so.
"More than two months after the event, which took place on December 20, 2009, apparently CAIR decided to have one of its lawyers send a most aggressive letter to the police department of Henderson, Nevada."-
Excellent point Hugh. Probably they would have rushed that case before Christmas, then there was that NIgerian 'Ali' caught attempting to blow-up the Detroit bound airline during the same week. I guess they had to wrap their little scheme up till people forgot about it a bit. This internal struggle appears to be really calculated maneuvers by the SOBs in CAIR's offices. CAIR (Central Aid for Islamic Rule) is serious threat to the US Constitution - it looks like they have several people on their pay-role inside the White House.
"CAIR (Central Aid for Islamic Rule) is a serious threat to the US Constitution - it looks like they have several people on their pay-role inside the White House."
Right. Hussein, our Muslim "president," and his servile slaves-to-Islam minions, Axelrod and Holder.
Traitors, all.
Aardvark: I recommend a few rousing choruses of 'Onward Christian Soldiers'
Absolutely! And just so there is no confusion in their minds about the meaning of this song, here are a few reminders.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9DHgnKeAxo&
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tj2kC13sgrw
OT: Just for Wellington (re extreme historical revisionism, a previous conversation - O'Neill seems to have company, but these are even more extreme.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umpfjhhkWTA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDfn4PevTAw
In their points system, they get more points for praying together, the more the better as far as Allah is concerned. I wonder if they get more points still if they do their prayers in this provocative way? I wouldn't be surprised. It would be in keeping with Allah's character, the vain, self-obsessed "entity" that he is.
From what I can tell prayer is not about a time or a place, it is about belief.
The belief here was that these people would have liked to be elsewhere to do a prayer in private (who doesn't want to pray in private) but circumstances dictated that prayer was done there as time to pray had arrived.
If people are understanding about this, there is no hassle.
I am not a muslim yet I do understand their dilemma. We all need to get better at this; American born muslims aren't going anywhere, so why not (try to)understand their needs.
What about Christians in Mecca?
What if there were enough Christians willing to go in groups to Mecca to pray publicly to the Christian/Jewish God? They would be arrested but maybe since there was a large group they would be allowed to leave the country unharmed. If done enough times perhaps it would raise awareness of the absurdity of granting rights to Muslims in the West.
barcode: you arn't a muslim, perhaps but you do come off as an apollogist who doesn't seem to understand the evils of Islam.
Tell me, do you see Islam as a "religion of peace" or "just as violent" as christanity, Judeuism, Hinduism etc?
Do you think Muslims should be aforded special rights in terms of security and scrutinity for what they do?
if you answered "yes" to either of the frist two questions, then I'd further ask you explain the betrayal by mohammad of the medinan Jews, the verse that proclaims that in the last day (future tense) rocks and trees will call for the death of Jews, the descrimination and subjegation of non muslims as commanded in the koran and practiced by muslims in muslim countries. And that's just my short list.
"American born muslims aren't going anywhere,"
Except for to Somolia to wage jihad.
So Mr. Barcode, what you're saying is that all the "understanding" should come from non-muslims? Sounds like it. You're saying that if we non-muslims spot what we deem to be suspicious activity (or prominent public praying in odd locations), or hear something strange or see muslims (or anyone for that matter) doing ANYTHING AT ALL that our senses tell us is suspicious or strange, we should just ignore it and and understand that these people are in some kind of "dilemma?"
That's just perfect. "If people are understanding about this, there is no hassle."
Riiiiiiiiiigghht. What you REALLY mean is "If people act proplerly subservient to we superior muslims, there is no problem."
And thanks for reminding us once again that you muslims are here to stay. Oh I'm sorry, that's right, you're not muslim!
And I'm the tooth fairy.
What I think of when I read of such in-your-face displays of the Islamization of our country -- in Las Vegas AKA Sin City, no less -- is a dog marking its territory. Are they claiming the land and "purifying" it for their god?
This kind of show tactic removes the spiritual component of prayer - it truly is a turf war.
"I am not a muslim"
Yes you are ...
You aren't fooling anyone with your schtick, so quit with the charade.
You may come across all sweet 'n innocent, but we know better. And you pretend that you're here to "learn" about islam, when in fact you're here to teach. But your cover has been blown, pal, so I'm afraid that you've been exposed.
Cover your eyes everyone, Mr Barcode has been caught with his pants down -- again! ...yeah it's like watching the town fool casually walking through the streets naked saying, "Hey, I am not naked, I am not naked" ...over, and over again.
O, please ...we can all see that you're a muslim for crying out loud.
"From what I can tell prayer is not about a time or a place, it is about belief." That is true for non-Muslims who pray in their heart, often silently, often with only God himself knowing they are praying. But for Islam that is not what prayer is. Prayer, particularly the loud public call to prayer at set times, is all about regimenting the society, forcing everyone to conform to the Islamic way. They don't even pray "normal" prayers, such as please help my sick neighbor or please help our president do the right thing, whatever, they just repeat rote text as part of a mindless ritual.
"The belief here was that these people would have liked to be elsewhere to do a prayer in private (who doesn't want to pray in private) but circumstances dictated that prayer was done there as time to pray had arrived."
The times for their prayer ritual are preset for every day from now until the end of Islam. They knew when they woke up in the morning what times they would be. So they were not in that place and all of a sudden surprised to find that it was the time that they are FORCED to pray. That if they waited half an hour their god would not accept their rote actions.
"If people are understanding about this, there is no hassle." There is not reason to let them get away with being so moronic that they can't plan their day better so that they are in a private place when the time for their forced prayer ritual arrives. It is an "appointment" that they have to make and they need to make sure they are somewhere that they will not bother even one single infidel who does not want to see or hear their satanic prayer ritual.
"I am not a muslim yet I do understand their dilemma. We all need to get better at this; American born muslims aren't going anywhere, so why not (try to)understand their needs."
Muslims as individuals don't have to go anywhere, but what does have to happen is the outlawing of the practice of Islam in public, the outlawing of all calls for sharia. If the "muslim" rejects Islam then they can stay anywhere they want. If they keep their faith private then they can do whatever they want. Islam as an ideology must be recognized formally in the constitutions of free states as being subversive to freedom and democracy and therefore not accorded the rights given to normal religions.
@miira - here's a link to a site that gives you prayer times where ever you are: http://www.islamicfinder.org/
For Dec 20, 2009 the prayer times in Las Vegas, NV were:
20 Sat 5:33 6:44 12:48 4:16 6:53 8:04
@miira - here's a link to a site that gives you prayer times where ever you are: http://www.islamicfinder.org/
For Dec 20, 2009 the prayer times in Las Vegas, NV were:
Dec 20 Sat: 5:33, 6:44, 12:48, 4:16, 6:53, 8:04
Can an American be a good muslim?
No. Not unless that muslim chooses to be a traitor. Either to his religion, or his country.
islam is a lie and
Truth is killing it.
Someone was asking what they say during prayers.
A link showing how to pray and what they say (allegedly):
http://www.islamicfinder.org/prayer/index.html
Wonder if those guys did their wudu?
So were they doing this show early for a reason, MrsJ? This is all so new to me. They couldn't have been confused about the time zone; in that case they would have been 45 minutes late, no?
I found this site, Lorem [love your handle! ; nowadays something in English is used in MS Word]: this is pretty dense reading, but the prayers seem to be there, both in Arabic and in English translation, and, occasionally in English transliteration as well:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salah
Muslims don't allow Christians to openly pray in Muslim lands...
I've always wondered what it's like to live under a bridge and subsist exclusively on passing goats. Yes...I'm "Troll curious".
How's that workin' out for ya? Much fun?
islam is a lie and
Truth is killing it.
islam is not a religion. It is a form of totalitarian government in the guise of a religion. Period.
islam is a lie and
Truth is killing it.
muslim don't allow Christians to openly live in muslim lands...
"I am not a muslim yet I do understand their dilemma."
There is no dilemma here. There are no victims, no citizens in need of recompense. But there is a rule of law that was created to ensure the equality of all citizens in the United States and Muslims are subject to that law just like everybody else. The do not believe themselves so. Perhaps we need to teach them.
You can start Mr. Barcode, by teaching all your Muslim gals to obey our laws and have consideration for other peoples' rights to peaceful enjoyment of their property and of public areas too.
You're not from around here so you probably wouldn't know this but as Americans we don't see any value in killing yourself and others for gain. We don't value public displays of terrorism, like buildings exploding or women getting caned or shot through the head in a soccer stadium while the throngs look on. We don't allow folks of any religion to shut down streets or government buildings to say their prayers so we're not going to roll over everytime a Muslim sees a good opportunity to promote the ummah and set up a a seen so they can claim aggrieved status and help CAIR set up shop in ANOTHER American police department.
We Americans aren't going anywhere so you'll have to get used to behaving. But what we are is getting more and more P.O.'d when Muslims lie and go the "much a ado about nothing" route. And while I understand that you are here as an agent provocateur you don't understand that Americans fought a war about 230 years ago to dislodge the yoke of tyranny that was upon us and that now that people are finally waking up and catching your gals little act we will be demanding, (just like you,) that Muslims obey our laws, or else. You aren't the only ones who can be subversive, ya' know.
Las Vegas separates tourists from transients and keep the transients moving. If you got a backpack expect to be hassled in Las Vegas a homeless guy told me. He said he was having a smoke and a bike cop approached him "what are you doing here?" "getting the morning sun" he was told to "get it somewhere else" they are always looking to write up tickets.
(reply also to interestinconundrum) Correct. The officer was obviously being baited into saying something that could be leveraged into charges of racism or bigotry or religious persecution that could be used in a lawsuit. And as champ asks, do Muslims always carry camcorders with them when they pray? From the fact that the camcorder operator was recording from a skewed angle, it would appear that the recording was made surreptitiously without the officer's knowledge. They were obviously attempting a sort of sting operation and prepared in advance for what they hoped would be a confrontation.
The two month delay in filing a complaint was probably because even the Muslims realized their "evidence" was weak, and they acted only after being urged by those who view "any" opportunity to harass the infidels, no matter how seemingly pointless, should be taken advantage of. I'll bet an aya or two was even proffered as support for this as being what Allah wants. So the suit went forward.
If the judge before whom this case comes has a brain, the suit will be summarily thrown out of court amidst gales of laughter. Wait, wouldn't this be grounds for filing another suit, this time against the judge, for insulting their religion and hurting their feelings? Perhaps, but this would provide an opportunity to turn up the volume of the laugh track.
"Maybe they shouldn't pray on private property unless its their own. If I owned a convenience store and saw a bunch of men loitering and 'kissing the ground' on my property, I'd complain too."
Good - but if they try that on my property, I'll take care of it myself. No police needed.
:-)
"Emotional distress"?
Of course they are: they're weaklings who cry like babies when they don't get their way although, the only difference is that because they are adult and worship Islam, they're willing to intimidate and kill to get their way, just like Mohammed did.
I find it interesting in reading your comments, that it made me recall my feelings when, as a schoolboy I saw the pictures of thousands encircling the Kaaba. Usually these textbook pictures were in chapters about the "world's major religions" and were meant to inspire the reader with such a massive display of faith. Instead, they always gave me the creeps, in the same way footage of the Nuremberg rallies did. Mindless submission and sheep-like acceptance were what I saw in common between the Nazi and Islamic crowds. And, by the way, congratulations for coming to the attention of Ibrahim!
You see, Isabella, when you are on-message, you are very effective.
As I cannot use Jewish prayers as an outdoor weapon, I am thinking of getting a few "Mohammed Cartoon" tee-shirts. I will get a bunch of friends to peaceably assemble in front of the neighborhood mosque, on the sidewalk, of course. The purpose is to defend the First Amendment by practicing it--militantly.
More generally, I think such displays really are an effective weapon against Islam. There is, alas, no easy way to change the Constitution to exclude Islam, and the courts are just not going to rule that Islam is a cult that does not qualify for religious protections. But freedom of speech and assembly are our friends.
I agree that scenes of the islamic world are often extremely creepy. Another one that I always notice is the "arriving ambulance" scene in "Palestine". Have you ever noticed the total chaos, people wearing all different sorts of clothes pawing the victims or somehow "helping" move the injured? It is just unreal. It is almost as if their society is so disorganized, so out of control, that they don't even have normal "rescue" workers who are left to do their jobs. Whoever is nearby just joins in. To be in the midst of that would be horrifying.
"I agree that scenes of the islamic world are often extremely creepy. Another one that I always notice is the "arriving ambulance" scene in "Palestine". Have you ever noticed the total chaos, people wearing all different sorts of clothes pawing the victims or somehow "helping" move the injured? It is just unreal."
Dude, what you see IS unreal. This is the kind of Pallywood footage that is used to great effect. If you are not familiar with Pallywood, just Google it. There is a website that is dedicated to it: http://www.seconddraft.org/
"There is, alas, no easy way to change the Constitution to exclude Islam, and the courts are just not going to rule that Islam is a cult that does not qualify for religious protections."
No easy way but that is ultimately going to have to happen if America is to survive. What will be necessary is to approach the issue from the standpoint of the political aspects of Islam, the sharia goals, and how they are simply, factually, without doubt, incompatible in every way with the Constitution and therefore can not be protected by the Constitution. The Constitution can not protect that which would destroy it in the first place. Since sharia is so intertwined with Islam, they cannot be separated, islam is sharia, sharia is islam, it becomes semantics but outlawing sharia essentially outlaws islam. The only islam that would be allowed would be the toothless sort of "Eastern mysticism" that college students experiment with but it would not be true islam/sharia which would not have the protections afforded normal religions. As long as someone keeps it a private matter they can pretend to be a muslim but there can be no group activity since that is ultimately subversive and an existential threat to the West.
Some sort of amendment to the constitutions of all western democracies will be necessary to address the problem of islam.
I know they stage things for the media but honestly that can't be every time. Just take note the next time and see if you don't notice the chaos in their regular news reporting videos. If they were staged they would make it look normal wouldn't they?
"No easy way but that is ultimately going to have to happen if America is to survive. What will be necessary is to approach the issue from the standpoint of the political aspects of Islam, the sharia goals, and how they are simply, factually, without doubt, incompatible in every way with the Constitution and therefore can not be protected by the Constitution. The Constitution can not protect that which would destroy it in the first place. Since sharia is so intertwined with Islam, they cannot be separated, islam is sharia, sharia is islam, it becomes semantics but outlawing sharia essentially outlaws islam."
In fact I agree with you that we will also have to take this kind of direction. This is sort of a Wilders-esque approach. Typically, Islam is protected because the politics is cloaked in the religion. So, we can think in terms of judo, focusing on the political content of sharia to make the religion impracticable.
Kip -
I know exactly what you mean.
Take a look at the picture you'll find if you click on this link.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/06/16/2599857.htm
It's a painting of Muslims on hajj.
"26-year-old Victorian artist has taken out a $40,000 national prize for his artwork depicting thousands of bowing Muslims at the annual Mecca pilgrimage.
Jackson Slattery's work, titled Our Plastic Everything Is Broken, beat more than 200 entries to win the Metro Art Gallery Award.
The award is the richest prize for Australian painters under 35.
Slattery says he was inspired by a magazine image of pilgrims facing Mecca in prayer."
As far as I'm concerned, it's a candidate for the prize for 'Most Creepy Picture Evah'.
Ah! But to make it "normal" would make it less effective as agitprop. You are expected to see all the wailing, the agitation, etc. Ask yourself why there is always a camera to capture this stuff, and usually a pretty good camera at that. The "extras" are recruited to make the scene.
Do I know that every single scene has been orchestrated? No. But I tell you, I have seen so much of this footage, that, to me, it all looks staged. I suspect that the reason you find it so creepy is that you are unsympathetic to the narrative being developed.
A couple of years back (before I was banned by ynetnews for sending emails to the editor questioning whether Islamic life should be protected -- it was an interesting exchange), I used to hang out there and join a group of detectives identifying the stagecraft of photos and videos that this dhimmi "news service" "reported" on. We got really good at it. Sure enough, it turned out that the Big Stories were cooked.
BTW, I thought to Google some of the coverage of a typical staged story on ynetnews. Take a look at the article and the talkbacks. You can also click links and go to the original story. I'm "sk, USA", in case you're interested.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3262198,00.html
"Hugh, good comparison between the Nuremberg rallies and Moslem mass prayers. "
Hugh, pace Ibe Hooper, didn't even go far enough. The mass Borg-like group-think (or "group-pray") of Muslims is far, far worse and portends far deadlier intentions even than the rallies of Nazi Germany. The latter were galvanized within two or three decades, with no real historical precedent, based upon an ideology cobbled together by a temporary demagogue. The former have been going on for some 1300 years and have a much richer, broader, deeper history and sociological hold on far more people than the Nazis could ever in their wildest imaginations dream of.
Barcode:
Eleanor wrote to you:
"So Mr. Barcode, what you're saying is that all the "understanding" should come from non-muslims? Sounds like it."
So what about it, Barcode? What if Western couples, visiting the United Arab Emirates, or Saudi Arabia, or Pakistan, or Egypt, decide, following their own cultural ways, to frolic on the beach wearing bikinis, speedos, perhaps even topless? Why shouldn't, under you logic, Muslim countries allow that? But they don't you see. They expect us Westerners to comport to their ways when we are in their culture, and when the sandals are reversed and they are in our culture, they do not play fair. They still expect us to comport to their ways.
And this doesn't merely have to do with modern Western secular customs (such as wearing a bikini on the beach and playing happy, haram music on the cd player) -- it also extends to Christians in certain Muslim lands having restrictions placed on their Christian behavior and carrying Bibles, etc.
Hahahah. Cair must be sweating bullets now. Look at the comments in youtube. The tide is against them. If the best of the cell phone video is this example, they are SSSSSSOOOOOO gonna lose in court.
But I think they're deleting some comments too! I replied to a so-called "manifest-one" that there was 1 masjid in Henderson and 2 mosques in Las Vegas. I asked, "Poor planning? Show of intimidation? Or a ploy for Jizya?" Then I added at the end: "Isn't a stop at Las Vegas "de rigeur" before a terrorist attack? Why shouldn't an average citizen be concerned and call it in?"
And Voila! Poof! Gone...
Speaking of creepy-remember the funeral of Khomenei? The head slapping chaos as Khomeini's body actually gets dumped on the ground?
Dumbledoresarmy-You're right- I felt the creepiness come back all over again looking at the painting. The artist may have been inspired, but who knows what he was smoking?
Muslims need to pray at home and stop imposing their obsessive-compulsive ritualistic behaviors on the civilized people here in the USA.
I just can't stand that in---your---face attitude.
If this ever happens in front of me I'll remove my shirt and bra and preform an impromptu Pagan ritual right in front of them calling the Old Gods to wake up and destroy Islam once and for all.
Isabella - "You can start Mr. Barcode, by teaching all your Muslim gals to obey our laws and have consideration for other peoples' rights to peaceful enjoyment of their property and of public areas too".
Isabella, I work with muslim ladies but they are not my gals, I supervise them (and other mostly non-muslim workers) to keep the supermarket till operation smooth.
As for obeying the law - absolutely. Nothing and no-one can be above the law, no complaints on that score. I NEVER asked for the law to be broken, just for joe American to show a bit of understanding towards muslims.
I view them being under constant pressure in almost all countries and all walks of life. They have a good if somewhat regimented life, but they get discriminated against (overtly and covertly)if they choose to keep a long beard or if they wear a headscarf; why should that be, the law must be applied fairly in all circumstances and in all cases?
They choose to live by their code and are good people(from my limited experience anyway).
Lots can be achieved by communication without resorting to the law; that's all I'm saying. If these people BREAK the law then by all means; chuck them in jail.
The problems here is that EVERY muslim activity is now seen as suspicious; now surely that is wrong isn't it. If the officer knew that it was prayer time and he KNEW about islamic culture; perhaps he could have just kept an eye on them, let them complete their prayer and then move them on. He may in the process have made a few friends and learned (as I am trying to here) of Islam a little bit.
He could have asked why the video in a friendly manner too.
As to the people who ask about the inability to pray in muslim countries; certainly you got me, that's what I am here to learn about. In my view they should be allowed if they are not interfereing or breaking the law. I'm doubt if anything would happen if someone did pray there; we are all humans and understanding of our connection to God.
If they want to pray, let them do what we"infidels" do- pray either in the privacy of their own homes or in a place of worship!
Terry
If they want to pray, then let them do what we"kuffars" do- pray either in the privacy of their own homes or in a place of worship!
Terry
If they want to pray, then let them do either at home or in ta place of worship!!!
Terry
Muslims as individuals don't have to go anywhere, but what does have to happen is the outlawing of the practice of Islam in public, the outlawing of all calls for sharia. If the "muslim" rejects Islam then they can stay anywhere they want. If they keep their faith private then they can do whatever they want. Islam as an ideology must be recognized formally in the constitutions of free states as being subversive to freedom and democracy and therefore not accorded the rights given to normal religions.
Exactly. Muslims are always angling for 'special treatment' in infidel lands. So they should be accorded as much. Write special laws that restrict-Muslims-only in their public, socially noxious activities, those that threaten others and are a general public nuissance, such as open public prostrations to their evil cult, moon-god Allah.
Islam is NOT a normal religion. Therefore, our Constitution should be applied to Islam as a subversive hostile ideology which needs to be suppressed legally, and criminal activity repressed, its violators deported, and mosques guilty of abetting sharia closed down. Then we can once again call Islam a 'religion of peace', because contradictory to its inherent nature, we made it that way by force. Public-Islam, as opposed to 'private', is henceforth defined a Cult. Shut it down.
Agreed, Battle_of_Tours ..hear, hear!
"Mr. Barcode": "I'm doubt if anything would
happen if someone did pray
there..."
I have a sure-fire way to enhance your learning-experience, Mr. Bc. You say you're not a muslim, right? (of course, you have been known to lie, haven't you?) But never mind.
Why don't you give it a try? Saudi Arabia would be good! Arrive wearing a Crucifix.
Walk down the street in Jeddah with a Bible!
Just for fun, say a couple of Christian prayers, loud enough to be heard. Then, let us know how that works-out for ya', OK? This is your chance to experiment in the real-world!
Hands-on learning! Happy landings!
This is why I always have a pig's ear in the trunk of my car at all times. (you can buy them at a pet store that sells dog treats).
It could accidentally fall from my pocket while walking past them during one of their public prayer meetings.
Barcode: you didn't answer my questions. You say you're not a Muslim, but I'd like to hear what you think about Islam.