As always, what's standing in the way here is Muhammad's own example -- a "beautiful pattern of conduct," per Qur'an 33:21. Muhammad married Aisha when she was six, and consummated the marriage when she was nine. For this cleric, condemning child marriage would thus run the risk of implying Muhammad did something wrong, or that his example is less relevant for Muslims in modern times. In a land where churches are firebombed over the use of the word "Allah," one can imagine there being some fallout over that.
In any event, keeping the status quo on child marriage laws lets the Sharia-inclined have it both ways: there is a symbolic law on the books for the sake of appearances, but a religious loophole to get around it in practice.
"Malaysian minister rejects child marriage reform," from Agence France-Presse, March 16:
KUALA LUMPUR -- Malaysia's religion minister on Tuesday defended Islamic laws that allow girls under 16 to marry, amid a controversy over two youngsters who were married off to middle-aged men.
The issue has flared in Malaysia after reports that two girls aged 10 and 11 were wed in the conservative northern state of Kelantan last month. They have now been removed from their husbands.
Rights groups have called for the reform of Islamic laws that allow marriage under the age of 16 if religious officials give their consent. Sharia law runs in parallel with civil law in multi-ethnic Malaysia.
"There is no need to amend the law," Jamil Khir Baharom, a cabinet minister in charge of religious affairs, told reporters.
"The law already exists... marrying someone aged 16 and below requires the consent of the court. The court does not simply grant the consent," he said.
"Maturity is a subjective question. It depends on the development of the person. Maturity is not based on age solely."
But 11 years old is 11 years old.
Pressure group Sisters in Islam has called for an end to child marriages, saying the practice was "unacceptable" but continued in Malaysia because of a "belief that Muslim girls can be married off once they reach puberty".
"The minimum age of marriage for Muslim girls must be raised to 18 to be in compliance with the Child Act which defines children as those below the age of 18," it said in a statement.
Other citizens in the multicultural country -- where the population is dominated by Muslim Malays -- are not permitted to marry before the age of 18.
Malaysian authorities are investigating the case of the two girls in Kelantan, both linked to a man who is accused of leading an Islamic cult.
He is accused of marrying the 11-year-old girl and giving away his 10-year-old daughter to a family friend.
Sharia court officials told the New Straits Times Tuesday the 11-year-old's marriage was not approved in court.
But if it had been, a grown man's marriage to an eleven-year-old could have been quite alright under the law.
The girl was found outside a mosque in the nation's capital over the weekend and is now being treated in hospital.
Women, family and community development minister Shahrizat Abdul Jalil has spoken out against the practice.
"A child of that age does not have the choice or capacity to give her full consent and, as such, child marriage is viewed within the context of force and coercion," she said in a statement to AFP.
Exactly what one would expect from a belief system that views females - of whatever age - as goods and chattels to be used and abused as their owners see fit.
Any of our trolls like to crawl out of the woodwork to defend this stance by the Malaysian government? Yom al Delusional? Barcode? (Are you learning yet Barcode?) No? Thought not.
One thing that angers me as much as the story itself: the fact that the majority of people, here in the UK at any rate, will hear nothing of this, thanks to the MSM's perpetual blind eye when it comes to the real islam.
"Maturity is a subjective question. It depends on the development of the person. Maturity is not based on age solely."
Yes, your honor. The 6-year old did consent to sex. It's not statutory rape.
Muslim Commandments - Thou shall rape, marry, and divorce pre-pubescent girls, and much more with references to USC Koran
Malaysia - Truly Asia (yeah, right).
Again, one has to wonder if the devil himself had a religion how it would differ from Islam in that Islam allows child rape, child marriage, child divorce, slaves, sex slaves, domestic violence, murder for insults, theft and robbery, etc., etc. ad infinitum.
Almost above everything else I see this so-called "example of the prophet" syndrome as being the most unbelievably frustrating and mind-numbingly impossible obstacle to ever overcome. How can these "examples" ever be relegated to the dust bin of the 7th century (where they firmly belong)?? Passions amongst believers are just too high to ever allow anything of the sort, and any serious attempts to reform Islam away from such "perfect conduct examples" will only result in violence and bloodshed. If this aspect of Shariah cannot be reasonably dealt with, then Islam can never be reformed in any meaningful way. It will turn into an endlessly circular argument -- always coming back to "but Muhammad did it and he was the perfect man."
I haven't seen a troll around lately but here, I'll do my impression of my fave semi-literate troll, "DefenderOfIslam":
You say Mohammad (pbhu) is a bad men yet you and Mr. Spenser is a good men? Isalm will never dye and you haters canot say it otherwase. The fact Isalm is grewing everday bigger then Mormuns and Joos and say what you want and lauhg and lauhg and lahug all day longer, Ismal goes too 1.5 bullion peple on the world who knew! Litle girls need older, more older and older men like me too show them there way because they dont knew it! Do Christans knew there way? Do Wikuns knew there way??
Ilsam is the only way!!!!
http://newstime.co.nz/2009/daniela-santanche-italy-leader-muhammad-was-a-pedophile.html
Islam is the only way for pedohiles
http://news.faithfreedom.org/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1852&theme=Printer
"... ALLAH APPROVES OF IT
65.4 “If you divorce your (child) wife before she reaches menstruation age her idda is three months”.
According to this aya a Muslim man can marry (and have sex with) even a one day old infant girl ..."
http://schnellmann.org/A_Complete_Guide_to_Pedophile_in_Islam.pdf
“(Print) “A Complete Guide to Pedophile in Islam” (PDF 168 KB) “… We must reach the Muslim youth before the Jihadists reach them”
I tell my friends, ... in this place they are all younger than me, intelligent, going to school while working, ...
"Muhammad was a pedophile."
I get these astonished stares, along with the silent admonition, the "You really shouldn't be saying that in public" look.
Then I say, ...
"He had a 9 year old wife."
I then get a lot of embarrassed looks, smiles, and ...
... END OF DISCUSSION!
I live in California, otherwise known as "Nanny State Central".
Penetrating the liberal mind with what Islam is all about is like bouncing bb's against a brick wall ...
You make contact ...
... and nothing happens.
Islamists do indeed follow a perverted prophet...and their is not much difference between an Islamic Muslim and an Islamist.
http://justifythis.blogspot.com/2006/05/pervert-prophet_12.html
And as if being force to marry while you are but a child wasn't bad enough for Muslim females:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OCGUwZmrCM
You cannnot defend the indefensible. 11 is 11 and that is not an age at which a girl should marry; she should be enjoying her childhood and in my view a person who marries her should be charged with childhood theft.
The older man is trying to provide a service, however what sort of conversations is he going to have with her, she may be too young to have sex anyway.
I can see this could have happened 1500 years ago, but still was not a widwspread practice. Odfcourse it is possible that Aiesha may have been older than 6 and it was simply incorrectly documented; like missing a "1" infront of the 6. I don't know if there is ample evidence of her age in the hadith.
It may have been that Aiesha was 6 but was specially chosen for the muslim prophet by their lord Allah; I mean who knows, that was a long loooong time ago.
In today's time it should not be allowed and as no new prophets are allowed there should be no need for minor marriages. Whilst the law may not be able to be changed (due to political pressures) the courts should always decline the consent.
I don't see any GOAT references. What are the Rules concerning GOATS? I know that one of these wonderful countries holds a 'Most Beautiful Goat Contest, every year. Now, is there a Swimsuit Portion to this? Has there ever been any instances of any of these Goats, sleeping with the judges? Does the WINNER go out on tour? Has Tiger Woods ever been seen with any of these Goats?
Interesting.
怪不得那么多人以为斯兰教为蛮人的宗教。如果穆罕默特委完整完美的人，而强奸六岁的小妹妹，谁能批评？
他们认为穆罕默特为完正完美的先知，所以他们没办法修改们的结婚法律。
I would agree with Eleanor that any attempt to reform Islam is likely to go a full circle and lead nowhere. In questioning or criticizing Mohammed's life is just something that very few Muslims will do. I haven't seen too many Muslims in the streets or in the media denouncing aspects of the Koran, that in this modern era, are repulsive to a moral society.
Until the Koran gets shaken free of all those distasteful edicts and disgraceful practices of Mohamed, there is no hope for Muslims to be anything other than strict adherents to this antiquated book of immoral behavior.
I wonder what would be left of this book once all the hate, killing and taking what you want when you want (women) is removed?
How can you reform a mind when the mind does not belong to you. Follow the path of the great Mohamed and one doesn't have to have a mind of their own.
Talk about changing minds.......
I once threw a man out of my house because he said he would have sex with a five year old...if she was mature enough...
From Mr Barcode above...It may have been that Aiesha was 6 but was specially chosen for the muslim prophet by their lord Allah...
I don't doubt that a bit, which is why I would throw Allah and Mahound out with the other guy...
"You make contact ...
... and nothing happens."
They have to ignore you, they have no choice in the matter because to open their eyes and see reality would shake their fundamental belief that, all cultures are equal. Their whole multicultural religion is based on those three words.
four words.
Barguest,m I have been here 16 of your blooging days and I heave learnt that nothing I say will be good enough for the people here.
I denounced under-age marriage; and you completly ignore it. Istead you concentrate on the "service" and girl age concepts. In the UK you sometimes come across a 12 year old non-muslim, (I think you would say infidel or kaffir or dhimmi; is that right?) girl who has concieved.
Clearly then SOME girls are ready for sex at that age; whilst others are not. You read too much into my sentence.
Barguest - countless muzzies use the hadiths concerning Aisha's age as justification for sticking it to little girls.
I hear you and I am learning.
Barguest - And what's this crap about Aisha being chosen for Mohammed by 'allah'.
The "experts" who I supervise absolutely believe it, they have no problem with her age because it has a "holy" element to it. Whilst you and I may ridicule it , ultimately that does not matter, those women in the "know" wish it was them instead of Aiesha i.e. they are happy.
These include very intellegent university educated women; far cleverer than the "darcys" & the "chumps" here.
They keep it alive and nothing can be done about it except to understand that it is a complicated world.
I always think of poor Aisha, her hair falling out, from severe trauma. Grasping her dolls for comfort. Just makes me so mad, expecially that there are those out there that would defend that behavior. So tragic...and still happening all these years later to other little girls, with the old men feeling they are religiously justified. Anyone who would think that God would approve of a 50 something year old man penetrating a nine year old girl, wow, just wow. I just dont understand their mindset. And you know, I dont want to! I just want them stopped.
"A child of that age does not have the choice or capacity to give her full consent..."
Since when is a Muslim "bride's" consent a factor? No matter what her age, she is her nearest male relative's property, to be traded, sold, or given away (and maybe at a later date, murdered) at his discretion.
Child, chattel, or both, she has no rights. It's almost too depressing to think about it.
Mr Barcode,
I don't think there was a missing "1" before the "6".
Sahih Bukhari:
"Narrated Aisha: The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years)." (snip...)
" Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age."--Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234
The ahadith of Bukhari are considered to be authentic and authoritative, by the majority of Muslims.
If you want to quibble about my having snipped some of this hadith, I did so because it had no real relevance to the first and last part of Aisha's narration. The rest of this narration is available here:
http://www.uga.edu/islam/hadith.html
Mr Barcode...The "experts" who I supervise absolutely believe it, they have no problem with her age because it has a "holy" element to it. Whilst you and I may ridicule it , ultimately that does not matter, those women in the "know" wish it was them instead of Aiesha i.e. they are happy.
I don't think you are supervising them good enough...If they are more 'expert' than you are, they should be supervising you...Delusional people are often happy with their delusions, but they are still delusions...If you are supervising delusional people, you should be reminding them of reality,
because it's the only way to get an honest days work out of them....You will find an in depth study on the subject on page 12 of your supervisors manual...
Eww...Eleanor!
Your Defender of Islam impersonation is too creepy! ;-)
As I posted when the Malaysian government was last mentioned.
They have not quite gone crazy. The same people have been in power for 50 years but the rising islamist parties are a serious threat and they are trying to win their voters. Not to different from ours with sharia courts and polygamy, sorry "plural marriages" really.
I don't think we have got there yet but when 14 & 15 year old "Asian" girls turn up in British maternity hospitals there is a conspiracy of silence.
Mohammed penetrated her when she was 9, but even before that he had subjected her to three years of obscene and degrading abuse by masturbating betwen her thighs and then making her wash the semen from his clothes: http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2010/01/mufa-khathat-cleaning-mess-up.html
The practice of 'thighing' or mufa'khathat continues to the present day because 'Mohammed did it'.
Senor Barcode -
"The "experts" who I supervise absolutely believe it, they have no problem with her age because it has a "holy" element to it. Whilst you and I may ridicule it , ultimately that does not matter, those women in the "know" wish it was them instead of Aiesha i.e. they are happy."
Do these "women in the "know"" know that Mohammed (HFLG) beat Aiesha? Yep, there is a Hadith detailing the abuse.
Oh, what a silly, silly dhimmi am I! It is written in the Holy Qur'an that it is halal for a Muslim husband to beat his wife! And since Mohammed (IBMW) did it, it must be a "holy" matter.
What say you? Wife beating - halal or haram? Careful, the wrong answer could get you labeled an apostate. And you know what that means, don't you? A dirt nap.
Barcode,
You appear to denounce under-age marriage in one sentence yet your next sentence seems creepily apologetic for the males in such 'marriages'. Further, you seem to implying that it's ok for 12 years olds to be having sex just because some of them get pregnant. Yes, these young girls may be physically capable of having intercourse, but that does not make it right. Your denunciations seem equivocal at best, perhaps that's the reason why nothing you post "will be good enough for the people here".
As regards the 'experts' who you supervise I'll just say this: any woman who actually embraces a belief system that mandates her exploitation and oppression is clearly delusional, and in need of urgent de-programming.
In fact, I think I'd be delighted if one of these "very intellegent university educated women" would join us here for the debate. I'd love to hear their explanation of why the rape and beating and murder institutionalised in their 'religion' is a good thing for women.
Regards
Barguest
The girl was found outside a mosque in the nation's capital over the weekend and is now being treated in hospital.
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What an appallingly evocative line this is. Little girls, all over Dar-al-Islam, in the very shadow of the Mosque, and in desperate need of medical care following their "marriage" to some middle-aged man.
All in the name of Islam. I will never cease being sickened by this.
"Mr. Barcode" wrote:
The older man is trying to provide a service, however what sort of conversations is he going to have with her, she may be too young to have sex anyway.
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Why would the older man need to 'have a conversation' with his rape victim? Just what sort of "service" is the older man trying to provide to his little school-aged victim?
more from "Mr. Barcode":
Odfcourse (sic) it is possible that Aiesha may have been older than 6 and it was simply incorrectly documented; like missing a "1" infront of the 6. I don't know if there is ample evidence of her age in the hadith.
...................
Does "Mr. Barcode" believe that we think that 7th-century Arabic used a tens-based numerical system, where such mistakes would even be possible? Also, comparatively few 16-year-olds—and even fewer 19-year-olds—still play with dolls and swings, as Aisha is reported to have done when she caught the baleful eye of "the Prophet".
more:
It may have been that Aiesha was 6 but was specially chosen for the muslim prophet by their lord Allah; I mean who knows, that was a long loooong time ago.
In today's time it should not be allowed and as no new prophets are allowed there should be no need for minor marriages.
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Does anyone doubt at this point that the odious and meretricious "Mr. Barcode" is a devout Mohammedan himself?
More crap from "Mr. Barcode":
In the UK you sometimes come across a 12 year old non-muslim, (I think you would say infidel or kaffir or dhimmi; is that right?) girl who has concieved (sic).
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In the UK, there was a case in 1972 where a girl of 11 years, 10 months gave birth at Royal Buckinghamshire Hospital in Aylesbury, England. The father was the young girl's stepbrother.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_youngest_birth_mothers
The only cases in England I have found since then was this one, from 2006 (from The Sun):
"A MAN aged 37 has been arrested after an 11-year-old girl gave birth to a baby boy"
...The man and the girl are thought to be visitors to the UK from Africa, possibly from Somalia.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article47792.ece
The article makes reference to a story from the 1990s, where a 12-year-old gave birth in Poole, Dorset.
The 12-year-old mother who was `just experimenting'
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/the-12yearold-mother-who-was-just-experimenting-1248968.html
You will—doubtless—notice two things here. One, that "Mr. Barcode's" claim that he runs across pregnant 12-year-olds in England on a regular basis seems a bit suspect.
The other is that—despite "Mr. Barcode's" protestations to the contrary, the last of these cases did not involve an "infidel or kaffir", but a young *Somali* girl and her likely 37-year-old rapist. This little girl was almost certainly Muslim, and her rapist likely her "husband".
Kepha | March 17, 2010 4:12 AM | Reply
怪不得那么多人以为斯兰教为蛮人的宗教。如果穆罕默特委完整完美的人，而强奸六岁的小妹妹，谁能批评？
Kepha | March 17, 2010 4:14 AM | Reply
他们认为穆罕默特为完正完美的先知，所以他们没办法修改们的结婚法律。
Nope, Kepha, you are still an idiot.
Maturity is a subjective question. It depends on the development of the person. Maturity is not based on age solely.
Where does this esteemed Islamic Jurist come down on the question of thighing? My thought is that the widespread practice of thighing derives from 33:21, and the legend of what Mohammed did those 3 yrs from his marriage to Aisha up to her explosive 9th birthday.
*** 33:21 ***
And poor Osama bin Laden. Word has it that he cried like a baby when he was forced to leave his 10 yr old wife behind as he departed for Afghan to take up the Jihad war.
That where the Christian Western world is wrong in try to ram down they culture and belief on other people. There was than christian knight who was marraige to than 5 year old girl who own alots of lands and wealth. There are underage girls in american who want to have sex with men an they lie about they age and carry fake id better know as jailhouse bait,these girls are over 12 year old. My mother marry my fater when she was 16 year old in 1946 today that would be illegal.
Barcode:
If what you state is true, then you have a responsibility to deliver a winged warning to the women you supervise regarding their prophet muhammad. Immediately read Robert's book -- The Truth About Muhammad, because doing so will better equip you in spreading the word forthwith.
And it's refreshing to read that you do not care whether or not certain posters maintain a civil tongue -- jolly good!
So get off of your lazy duff and get with the program; first by reading Robert's book, and then exercise due diligence in warning your employees and others as well. Educating yourself on this fundamental issue would benefit us ALL.
Now buy the book, already.
DefenderofIslam...There are underage girls in american who want to have sex with men an they lie about they age and carry fake id better know as jailhouse bait,these girls are over 12 year old.
How did you find out about that? Do you check their ID's?
What school yards and play grounds have you been frequenting DefenderofIslam?
DefenderofIslam says:
"There was than christian knight who was marraige to than 5 year old girl". Citation please, and evidence of the girl's age when said knight actually got around to consummating the marriage (assuming he ever did, many such marriages in the middle ages were entered into for the purposes of acquiring land, rather than for fiddling with little girls).
And like duh_swami I'd love to know where you get your info about all these little lolitas who are absolutely gagging for it. Assuming these girls are actually more than just a fantasy in your twisted mohammedan mind.
The allah is the devil/satan and Mohammad is his messenger.
google - obstetric fistula and underage girls
MUST READ:
http://futurechoices.net/articles/obfist/Brighter%20Future%20-%20RestorgDignity2WomenwObstFistula.pdf
http://www.iwhc.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3487&Itemid=629
Child Marriage: Girls 14 and Younger At Risk
Because their bodies (bone structure, pelvis, reproductive organs) are not yet fully developed, girls ages 14 and younger run a very high risk of complications in pregnancy and childbirth compared with older adolescents.
Prolonged and obstructed labor, which is common among pregnant young adolescents, can lead to hemorrhage, severe infection, and maternal death. This is especially true for girls who experience additional pregnancy-related complications such as eclampsia. Those who survive may suffer from obstetric fistula,a debilitating condition that causes chronic incontinence and results in shame and social isolation.
Girls' physiological vulnerability due to the small size, inelasticity, and lack of lubrication of the vagina and cervix is compounded by their exposure to frequent, unprotected, and sometimes forced sexual intercourse within marriage; lack of information about STIs, including HIV; and inability to negotiate their own protection.
"DefenderofIslam" wrote:
That where the Christian Western world is wrong in try to ram down they culture and belief on other people.
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No—clearly it's much better when middle-aged men "ram down they culture" on defenseless little girls. sarc/off
By the way, I think I liked Eleanor's grimly hilarious take on "DefenderofIslam's" likely response better than the real thing.
Can you spell and use correct grammar, or what? You illiterate Mohammedan.
darcy - what's the matter; a little too spirited now because the truth got to you, a bit close to home eh.
What's that? - Lost your voice because of your shouting and screaming.
Here we are people, never mind me - see for yourself;
Where is darcy's contribution in the swearing and the shouting to my calm rational questioning about her conduct.
I have NOT set her up, she simply has NO control; Do YOU people want to read this darcy garbage on what WAS a very important topic of child marriage.
Is this all the manners your mother managed to teach you?
That's a very important question, don't you dare duck it girl? You are a sorry example of an "educated" western woman; and yes the muslim women at the tills may not be able to spell F*uck like you do; but let me tell you they are worth 10 of you.
darcy; girl you need help,
I hope the administrators here take a look at this thread and see that I have not set you up, but that they actively help by banning you for your total complete submission to your helpless anger.
You shouldn't be allowed to get away with your gross conduct thread after thread.
Barcode spews....
"the muslim women at the tills may not be able to spell F*uck like you do; but let me tell you they are worth 10 of you."
Again Barcode shows his grimy little greasy hand...
Now let me see...what's the value of an Infidel compared to a muslim according to sharia law?
Here's the deal barcode..
There was a poster here from CAIR. A punk that called himself abdullah mikhail. He regularly referred to me as "Mr.Shitface" because I allow my dogs to lick my face. Freaked the guy out bad. I didn't seek his removal from the site. I just called him, "Mr.Nobody" as he had a really bad reaction to being called that by one of the posters here.
So you little pussy...if you caint stand the heat, get the hell out o' the kitchen.
Hell, I want you here so I can show my friends what a pussy muslim apologists are. How much they whine and bitch instead of standing up for themselves via rebuttal. The thing is you can't defend islam. At least not successfully. You can try and tell me that muslims do not sodomize babies or have sex with animals, even in the face of overwhelming evidence. That does not change the fact that they do. It just shows you to be a flat earther type that cannot handle the Truth...refuses to accept the Truth because you have your head so far up islams ass that the vast majority of your grey matter has died of ass phyxiation. (heh...) and the few brain cells you have left are depressed and lonely, incapable of reason.
islam is a lie and
Truth is killing it.
Alskan, I saw your post, read it and filed it.
I am not a muslim, so your effort was wasted, sorry!
Punks I believe were a 1980s cult of white western boys who dyed their hair yellow and green and banged their heads to some noise they called music. I never joined up to that crap, so I'm not a punk.
As for not liking me; that's a shame Ithought we could become good cyber friends.
Alaskan - Rhythmic thumps of American bodies hitting the roof"... Your 9/11 conspiracy theory, your refusal to accept the fact that thighing is common in islamic nations,
The Rhythmic thumps of American bodies, whilst not subtle was true; it happened, that was their unfortunate destiny;
I absolutely condemned the thighing and the child marriages; but still don't believe that it is widespread practice as you have not offered enough statistical proof and I cannot find it on the internet, simply being in a green book is not proof in itself.
Alaskan - your attacks on long time, best loved posters here.
What attacks? What attacks? I have barely joined the forum, I am not knowledgable on Islam, but I observe, I don't attack.
If YOU had the ability to observe like me; you would see that I am the one who has been under constant attack; and if "darcy" is one of your best loved posters; even the lord Jesus H. Christ cannot help you.
"What attacks? What attacks? I have barely joined the forum, I am not knowledgable (sic) on Islam, but I observe, I don't attack."
You don't attack? What? You attacked me numerous times on this thread, you lying Muslim hypocrite. And also attacked champ. You lying Muslim hypocrite.
And if you can't see that, then even the Lord Jesus cannot help you. You're hopeless. So, when will you be joining your false prophet Warlord down in the Infernal regions? Don't bother packing a jacket - it's mighty warm there already!
Thanks again, AI.
I absolutely condemned the thighing and the child marriages; but still don't believe that it is widespread practice as you have not offered enough statistical proof and I cannot find it on the internet, simply being in a green book is not proof in itself.
Not "a green book" you moron...Ayatollah Khomeinis Little Green Book of islamic jurisprudence with the questions and answers made clear. The question came from...oh what's the use. The earth is flat...right?
Scumbag. The proof I offered was irrefutable. You choose to ignore it and ask for more.
Like I said...flat earther.
Again, you superior attitude and condescending tone reveal you for what you are...punk.
Jesus has a middle name that starts with H? Anyone aware of this? Or is the Borecode boy just going off of what he hears in bars?
What attacks? you are just too funny for words...punk. I have to go kill some cockroaches or I'd copy and paste some of your attacks...punk.
Not knowledgeable about islam...
Barcode wrote on his first post...
"A most intriguing picture, but I wonder whether it is a setup. The subject matter (focal point) is the one in the middle with the Arabic writing whilst others around have shades of pink and green which may not be allowed."
I had no idea that shades of pink and green might not be allowed...yet you did. Interesting.
Barcode continues...
None of the women have their hands up in the dawa pose; I am inclined to say that this is designed to show muslims women in the worst frame of reference; I'm sorry but I think it is a put up.
You don't know shit about islam yet you know about the "dawa" pose?...on your first post? And with "no knowledge of islam", you choose to find that the pic is a setup. Do you still think so? (Not that it matters.)
Liar. Poser. Troll. Mange merde...
islam is a lie and
Truth is killing it.
ATTENTION!!
People please there is a very serious health issue when wedding off young girls
OBSTETRICAL FISTULA
MUST READ:
http://futurechoices.net/articles/obfist/Brighter%20Future%20-%20RestorgDignity2WomenwObstFistula.pdf
http://www.iwhc.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3487&Itemid=629
Child Marriage: Girls 14 and Younger At Risk
Because their bodies (bone structure, pelvis, reproductive organs) are not yet fully developed, girls ages 14 and younger run a very high risk of complications in pregnancy and childbirth compared with older adolescents.
Prolonged and obstructed labor, which is common among pregnant young adolescents, can lead to hemorrhage, severe infection, and maternal death. This is especially true for girls who experience additional pregnancy-related complications such as eclampsia. Those who survive may suffer from obstetric fistula,a debilitating condition that causes chronic incontinence and results in shame and social isolation.
Girls' physiological vulnerability due to the small size, inelasticity, and lack of lubrication of the vagina and cervix is compounded by their exposure to frequent, unprotected, and sometimes forced sexual intercourse within marriage; lack of information about STIs, including HIV; and inability to negotiate their own protection.
darcy - whilst I could get into name calling & swearing I refuse to do so because it's such an uneducated thing to do.
It would make me synonomus with yours and champ's "cultured" upbringing and I think I am better than that.
You can call me "Mohammedian this and Mohammedian that"; I just don't care. I am not muslim and I have a passing interest in Islam and am here to learn.
I don't pray 5 times day, infact I don't pray at all really, I have no prayer rug, I have no agenda; so you go for it girl; set up a ladder & climb onto your roof & shout, SCREAM, from tha top of your horrible little voice "Barcode is a muslim"; but I'm not and you cannot make it true by shouting.
Equally you are no christian; your sorry attitude says you are more muslim than christian.
Barcode boy...
You are a punk. I did not say punk rocker...
here ya go...
Main Entry: 1punk
Pronunciation: \ˈpəŋk\
Function: noun
Etymology: origin unknown
Date: 1596
1 archaic : prostitute
2 [probably partly from 3punk] : nonsense, foolishness
3 a : a young inexperienced person : beginner, novice; especially : a young man b : a usually petty gangster, hoodlum, or ruffian c slang : a young man used as a homosexual partner especially in a prison.
I do bleeb that any one of those descriptions is accurate.
You are a punk barcode...dyed in the wool....
islam is a lie and
Truth is killing it.
"...I don't attack."
BWWAAAA!!!!!!
Liar.
Yes you do.
And you're a muslim, too.
Makes you a 2-timing liar ....
"As always, what's standing in the way here is Muhammad's own example -- a "beautiful pattern of conduct," per Qur'an 33:21. Muhammad married Aisha when she was six, and consummated the marriage when she was nine. For this cleric, condemning child marriage would thus run the risk of implying Muhammad did something wrong, or that his example is less relevant for Muslims in modern times." -- headline
muhammad was a sexual pervert and deplorable SofA ...so it's good to know that he's rotting in hell right now where he belongs. Good riddance to bad rubbish, eh?
Hey People - "Barcode" can't stop attacking me!
Watch - you'll see! Go ahead, Barcreep - we're waiting for all your insults against darcy! Spew away! We're waiting! Come on with your horrible hideous evil insults!
A request: Let's keep it civil, and please, let's keep the thread about the plight of child brides, and not about Barcode.
At last sense prevails, thank you for agreeing with me to remain on topic.
And while I'm at it, watch your language, or risk deletion.
Barcode --
Are you aware that darcy has been singled out for critizism by the Muslim Brotherhood?
What do you think of that fact?
pvb wrote:
People please there is a very serious health issue when wedding off young girls
OBSTETRICAL FISTULA
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Yes—fistula is a horrifying condition where the fetus—during labor—punches through the vagina into the rectum. Often there is damage to the bladder as well. Many women who survive initially later succumb to death from infection.
Many surviving women with fistula become incontinent. Large numbers are abandoned by their husbands, which is the kiss of death in a Muslim society.
Fistulas do occur in healthy women in their 20s, 30s, and 40s, but they are astonishingly rare. The reason fistulas are so common in the Muslim world is either because of infibulation—the most extreme for of female genital mutilation—where the vagina is sewn shut, or because of child impregnation, as pvb notes.
There are a system of fistula hospitals, all in countries with large Muslim populations. These hospitals are run entirely by Infidels, so far as I have ever seen. Here is the Fistula Foundation, run by the American Friends Society (Quakers):
http://www.fistulafoundation.org/
The famous Addis Ababa Fistula Hospital was founded in 1974 by an Australian obstetrician, Dr. Catherine Hamlin and her husband.
Odd, that it seems Infidels are the only ones who care about these Muslim girls...or maybe not...
Imagine waking up tomorrow and there is no ISLAM. Oh would'nt it be lovely and a lot of little girls would be spared religious rape.
Livingengine- Are you aware that darcy has been singled out for critizism by the Muslim Brotherhood?
What do you think of that fact?
I am not going to get into another slinging match, and this is going to be my last comment on it regardless of whether darcy decides to come back on it or not.
To me it looks like darcy is an established long time postee who certainly enjoyed lots of cyber support. They were like a girls support group going to the toilet together.
darcy however, I think got drunk on this "cyber power", becoming the leader, the alpha-female if you will.
She tried to scythe any opposition to her views (and they are extreme)by swearing, schemeing, screaming playing the victim and encouraging her "troupe" to pile in and attack, attack attack and ofcourse they followed her lead. When she attracted opposition, she played on her "woman's status" and her vision of powerful western women.
She saw off all before her, and in the process got a number of people banned I'm sure.
I refuse to be bullied by her and her troupe and sir I reject to accept your unjust critcism.
Her attacks today on me were viceferios in the extreme, she would have gouged my eyes out if she could, her troupe dived in like screaming witches and warlocks, it was shameful.
She was going to stand her ground and grind me down, but I stood tall and firm without swearing.
Finally the administrator stepped in and I'll bet for the 1st time in her life she had her wings clipped and suffered deletions to her biased , racist and bullying comments.
Frankly she was a disgrace, and I think she knows she got off lightly by her comments being deleted and she not getting the red card.
So no sir, I reject your accusations, I am not part of any muzzislm brigade, I am new here; darcy had it coming and she brought it upon herself; her pedestal is busted and with good reason;
and with that sir, I bid you good day on this thread.
"Are you aware that darcy has been singled out for critizism by the Muslim Brotherhood?"
I'm so jealous.
"Her attacks today on me were viceferios in the extreme, she would have gouged my eyes out if she could, her troupe dived in like screaming witches and warlocks, it was shameful"
Bwahahahahaha
What a drama Queen.
Islam forbids homosexuality too. Countries like Iran say there are no homosexuals among them - yeah. Why then, in Oman, is it that the first sexual experience for a male is with another male. This just goes to show what repression and weird rules regarding proximity to females leads to. These rules regarding mingling with the opposite sex is a breeding ground for deviants. Sheep, goats and your best mate are all fair go when there is nothing else. Oh, you may go cruising and see a face under an abaya - or even an ankle and get aroused. But alas, is there an outlet for these sexual feelings? No, that is why rape, incest and sodomy are common in Muslim countries.
What a sick religion....
"What a drama Queen."
Exactly ...and now Barcode is using the same whiny manipulation and lies that muslims are famous for, and his ending comment sets it in stone. Not only did he start this mud slide by insulting both darcy AND me, but now he's sitting on his high horse and acting as if hes done nothing wrong. What a liar. Amazing, he started the whole thing, and now hes exaggerating and lying about what happened. Whatta liar and a loser. How typical, eh?
I want to read, hear and see evidence of this religion of peace. Nearly every trouble spot in the world is one where Islam rules. Tolerance is not a word in the vocabulary of a Muslim. If it were, then there would be a website dedicated to the reformation of this archaic religion, and not just the usual defenders of everything that is written in the Koran. If it is not open to discussion or question then there is no hope in this world that Islam will ever be seen by rational people as anything other than a barbaric practice.
Why is it that those who find good in Islam are not vocally and aggressively amending its teachings to reflect such good?
Denouncing all that is wrong in the Koran is the only indication that there is any good in Islam. This goes for any religion. Criticism is not on the agenda in Islam. Criticism of their religion, leaders/rulers and society is forbidden - except toward their wives of course. Men make the rules and women follow them. Submit or I divorce you as quick as I can say, "I divorce you" three times.
Marisol | March 17, 2010 3:15 PM | Reply
And while I'm at it, watch your language, or risk deletion.
Yeah, whatever Marisol said. ...
So Mr Barcode, why don't you shine your brilliance on some "friendly" spanking sites, or go back to your career as bag boy at the local supermarket, if you can find that official title anywhere anymore.
Just remember we have not thought it time to play cowboys and muzzies yet.
Citizen K, respectfully, and All out here, really, ...
Game playing is over.
Who has the longer hose, in his backyard, is not viable.
Who sports the bigger set of (beach) balls is macht nichts (obviously German here, Kepha, you got German wing dings, you idiot?)
THE GRAVITY OF THE SITUATION IS THAT IRAN NEEDS A BOMB DELIVERED TO THEIR PEACEFUL NUCLEAR POWER PLANT IN THE WORST WAY
LISTEN, Listen, Listen to the tortured explanations of John Bolton about how close Iran may be to "the bomb".
ALL AND I MEAN ALL of Bolton's talking head presentations for the last year have had this rubber stamp caveat at the end ...
"Of course this fill-in-the-blanks timeframe" we have left ASSUMES we have an accurate fix on EXACTLY how close Iran is to getting the nuclear or "dirty" bomb."
Ok, Citizen K, looks like the evil Mr Bar Code is infesting elsewhere, probably morphing into some form of Mary and her little lamb.
Ok ... games ...
How about a quick game of nukes and ladders, Truman style, and the target is that peaceful Iranian nuclear facility?
Barcode:
please go here and answer my questions (rather than further putting this thread off-topic):
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/03/associated-press-laments-provocation-of-muslims-in-europe.html
I'm not a Muslim yet, but I'm studying the Quran
There's nothing wrong about Child Marriage if you are a true Muslim and follow the words of the Quran.
Mary had Jesus when she was 12 was god a pedophile?
Vatican City the age of consent is 12, the same as the Philippines. So I guess Catholic's are pedophiles too.
What is wrong a man having sex with a man, Priests having sex with boys, women have sex with women.
I hear talk about child right's, yet the right for a girl to marry, and explore her sexuality with her husband you say is so wrong, but we give the right's for a man to marry a man now that's truly wrong, in all religions I know.
Muslim's are very devote and religious people. Just because you think its wrong does not make it wrong. We are a world where the freedom to practice your religion has to be upheld for us all to live together and it is not your place to judge another’s religion.
They’re more child prostitutes in the USA than any country in the world. Worry about your backyard before you talk about your neighbours.
Muslims that have a problem with Child Marriage then if you don't want to follow Muhammad (PBUH) then don't, but do not judge true Muslims that do.
I think men marrying men is the most sick thing in the world and they should be put to death, but if you want to do so go to the US or some other country that accepts it, but if you are Muslim and you want to marry a young girl may Allah bless you.