Democracy? Yes, because then the Tiny Minority of Extremists in Pakistan, who actually form the overwhelming majority, will vote in a full Sharia government. "'Democracy, jihad, nukes vital,'" by Rana Latif, Jawad R. Awan, Jam Sajjad Hussain, and Khalid Malik in The Nation (Pakistan), March 8 (thanks to Twostellas):
LAHORE - Speakers at a special ceremony held in memory of late Hameed Nizami at Alhamra on Sunday were of the opinion that an independent, Islamic, democratic and welfare state was the cherished goal of the people of Pakistan and this objective was supreme in the eyes of the founders of Pakistan which needed to be emulated by us. Any deviation from this path and the Pakistan ideology would leave the country in chaos."However, to achieve these objectives, we have to break the shackles of the US domination and replace the colonial system of education with a uniform education system of our own. Also it is imperative to uphold democracy, spirit of jihad and nuclear capability to maintain political and economic freedom for the well-being of the people," they observed....
Qazi Hussain Ahmad said the worst democracy was better than the good dictatorship and this slogan was carried on the title of Nawa-i-Waqt edited by Hameed Nizami and now by Majid Nizami. This means to propound that the government should function according to the wishes of the people and that wishes were to make Quran and Sunnah supreme and ensure its enforcement in the country. A worst democracy cannot easily ignore the sentiments of the people, he added....
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/seven-held-in-ireland-over-plot-to-assassinate-cartoonist-lars-vilks-1918672.html
It's unsettling how violent followers of the religion of peace are. I wonder, how much more violent would they be if islam was a religion of violence, and "prophet mo" hadn't been such a peaceful, noble and benevolent leader?
Democracy? Yes, because then the Tiny Minority of Extremists in Pakistan, who actually form the overwhelming majority, will vote in a full Sharia government.
In fact, all authentic Muslim polities are on one level democratic. The only problem is, the demos of Muslim societies is diseased with a unique fanaticism -- a fanaticism that expresses itself through the people as a desire to have an Islamic society (which then brings in its train all sorts of other sociopathologies, psychopathologies, and assorted crimes against humanity).
Our PC MCs of the West think "everyone is the same", and so they assume that democracy must be beneficial wherever it sprouts up or wherever it is enabled. Our PC MCs cannot grasp the full catastrophe of an entire people being, through their unifying culture, diseased in such a way that any sociopolitical power they attain will be used for evil, for injustice and for endangering others.
"Of the people, by the people, and for the people" is fine and dandy when the people have been formed by sociopolitical health (with the usual caveats about human imperfection -- indeed, the recognition and acceptance of the limitations of human imperfection is one of the factors that make Western polities healthier than others); but such a democratic sentiment becomes monstrously unjust, evil and dangerous when the "people" in the equation are Muslims, with their obsessive-compulsive fanaticism for a grotesque (if not indeed Satanic) parody of Purity, Peace and Justice.
And there stands a further mental block in the PC MC mind, preventing it from seeing this tragic inaplicability of beneficent democracy to Muslims: PC MCs look at Muslims and they see an Ethnic People (or, even better, a wonderfully diverse rainbow of various Ethnic Peoples). This only makes it all the more unthinkable for PC MCs to notice, and to avow, anything substantially critical at all about Muslims.
Your reasoning makes my heart heavy, Hesperado. I see it's logic, yes. But if we want to defeat Islam we want it to be FOR something good. And no longer can only Christianity be the sole opponent of Islam, it seems to me that that has to the culture that Geert Wilders views as superior to Islamic culture, that of Enlightenment and the 5 pillars of Democracy; regular fair elections, constitutional state, autonomy of the individual, freedom of speech and separation of church and state. And if even THAT is hopelessly botched by Muslims, what can we be FOR?
Agreed with you that real peaceful Democracy is almost impossible to achieve in peace and fast in an Islamic country, but after education, freeflowing information we hope for more civilization and peace among a population which can bring about a democracy that is peaceful inside and outside too.
And the one aspect that Islam threathens in Western countries and also prevents in Islamic countries hitherto is the DEMOCRATIC SYSTEM. We can't and won't let that ever go. And we should make that clear to Muslims, it is a cause for war if they choose to uproot DEMOCRACY.
Now these Pakistani's probably only have a very vague idea of Democracy, but clearly in the Islamic world there is a lot of vagueness, unclarity, division about whether or not Democracy is compatible with Islam.
We, together with the most knowledgeable and violent Muslims consider it isn't but the Political Correct people and many Ignorant Muslims seem to think it is. Let them try their hand.
Even if we must be logical and coherent, can't we take advantage of the division, unclarity, ignorance of the Muslims worldwide? Can't we entice them to become slowly ever more educated, civilized and peaceful democratic, meanwhile together with the ignorant Democratic Muslims and the equally ignorant Political Correct people hold off the really dangerous people who want to keep and expand dictatorships?
Good post, Hesperado.
Somehow, I doubt the advocate of this "democracy" has representational democracy—with its minority and individual rights—in mind. More like Muslim mob rule...
PAKISTAN'S REAL ISLAMIC TERRORISM AGENDA EXPOSED!!
HEY AMERICA.......CHECK OUT HOW YOUR HARD EARNED TAX DOLLARS IN 10's OF BILLIONS POURING INTO PAKISTAN ARE BEING MISUSED TO REBEL ROUSE AND FOMENT ISLAMIC TERRORISM BY JIHADISTS, THANKS TO OUR POLITICIANS AND THE PAKISTAN LOBBY.
Here are 2 interesting Youtube videos that clearly espouse
destruction of India, Israel and other kuffar nations to free (Allah's) people - the Palestinians, which will be the honor bestowed upon Pakistan by Allah, as "foretold" by Islamic religious texts, according to the speaker.
Video Title: Wakeup Pakistan!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bD982sWVIM0&feature=PlayList&p=3343C587185FBCE0&index=18
2.09 - we will take revenge for every shahid that died fighting in '47 and '71.
2.15 - they (Obama and Singh in graphic) will start and inshallah, we will finish.
2.44 - for 1400 we have prevailed in Jihad, not by the strength of armies, but by Allah's will.
3.36 - when khalid presents his plan to attack an army 60,000 Crusaders, with 30 Jihadists, his superiors tell him
to reinforce his force, "khalid take 60 Jihadist not 30" and Lo khalid defeated 60,000 Christians, why? Allah's will of course - (yeah...sure, whatever!)
4.01 we are salaudin's blood and decendants, unlike kafirs.
4.56 This Jihad will bring Hindu kings in chains as our slaves and conquer India, then turn around to conquer and destroy Israel and free Palestinians, and it will be Pakistan's honor to be make our foreteller's from the book a reality. (wow!)
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Here, the grand plan is to establish the USI, United States of Islam, a caliphate, with its own currency and sharia as its legal system, of course after world domination. This is now in the hands of Pakistan according to this Pakistani youth Islamic fundamentalist leader who is openly espousing Islamic Jihad which will not spare India, Bhutan, Nepal, etc, etc. according to him as foretold in the Islamic religious texts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFOLhTrAPGQ&feature=PlayList&p=3343C587185FBCE0&index=20
On these sites:
http://www.panunkashmir.org/fundamentalism.html
http://ikashmir.net/atrocities/index.html
http://ikashmir.net/slides/genocide/index.html
You will find some proof samples of the kind of handiwork performed on the "little people" barcode is talking about - their enemy, the Hindu.
In fact some are so "little" they can barely walk, chosen perhaps because they can't run away from their attacker, the "larger more manly muslim soldier"(as barcode puts it above), trained in the fine art of islamic terrorism, massacre and ethnic cleansing by the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. These "larger more manly muslim soldiers" are armed with automatic weapons and explosives and trained in the fine islamic religious tradition to fire upon unarmed Hindu civilians or the "little people" in train stations, hotels and in packed restaurants as we witnessed in Mumbai. That was not enough, barcode's "larger more manly muslim soldiers" then attacked the Jewish place of worship in Mumbai, slaughtering all their jewish victims, including a pregnant woman, as they were being instructed by their Pakistani commanders, with a miracle from God, the Pakistani, "larger more manly muslim soldiers" somehow missed killing a Jewish child, saved by a "little indian person", the maid, later reunited with the victims family.
"Islam means peace", really ???
WAKE UP AMERICA !!
God bless America and the victims of Islam.
Barcode's response I am referring to is now in JW archive,
click here:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/03/tell-those-clerics-pakistanis-and-jihadis-that-you-do-not-fear-bomb-blasts-and-acts-of-terrorism.html
*we have to break the shackles of the US domination* Dpes this mean no mo US tax $$$s, heck they want to cut off ties to the US, l say lets do it now, with no more money from the west!
Thanks for the videos, pork. wish I could understand urdu better. yes, this pakistan has grandiouso designs on the whole world , and not just India and Isreal. It is important that the american people know that Pakistan is not afriend. They only act friendly to keep the jiyza and militery aid coming. Any amereican politician or business leader going there gets the 5 star treatment. The americans leave promising more financel commitments. but behind their backs the pakis laugh, they love making fools out of americans, They laugh and then go back to training terrorists, sending terrorists to india, misteating the christians and whatever hindus that are left. They use these american made arms to intimidate, and make war on India. of all the conflicts , it has been pakistan who is the culprit. Yes, the american should know that paksitan is a crocodile or a poionous snake they are nurturing. It has already bitten them once on 9/11. and it will do so again.
Wafa Sultan
Survivor Of Sharia, Wafa Sultan Now Fights Against It
From PJTV posted March 9th....clip also talks about Geert..
http://www.pjtv.com/v/3192
Hmmm spot the oddd one out: "democracy, jihad, Sharia, and nukes"