Short-sighted dhimmi realpolitik is not solely the province of the West. John VI Cantacuzenes Alert: "Putin vexes US over Iran nuclear power," by Daniel Dombey and Isabel Gorst in the Financial Times, March 18:
Vladimir Putin, Russia's prime minister, promised on Thursday that Moscow would help Iran complete a civil nuclear power station by this summer, drawing criticism from Hillary Clinton, US secretary of state.His remarks highlighted the continuing differences between the two powers over how to contain Iran's nuclear ambitions. Mrs Clinton was visiting Moscow on a trip partly designed to increase the pressure on Tehran by showing America's unity with Russia.
But Mr Putin told a meeting held in Volgodonsk, southern Russia, that work to complete the Bushehr plant on Iran's Gulf coast would soon be complete. "The first block of the Iranian atomic power station must be launched this summer," he said.
Asked about Mr Putin's remarks, Mrs Clinton said it "would be premature to go forward with any project at this time, because we want to send an unequivocal message to the Iranians".
However, she added: "We have consistently said that Iran is entitled to civil nuclear power. It is a nuclear weapons programme that it is not entitled to."...
And she seems to think that will be an easy distinction to draw and maintain.
@Robert
I wonder how many times you have condemned US when it has provided Israel with advanced weapon systems like F-16 , hellfire missiles and UAV-s.
I wonder how many times you have condemned the US when Israel has butchered the Palestinian and Lebanese innocent children in places like Gaza and Lebanon with US supplied advanced weapons.
I know that the lives of innocent Palestinians does not matter to you as much the lives of Israelis.
This makes you a hypocrite to me.
Debanjan Banerjee
I smell you from far away now tell us smart a##....tell us about the palistines who killied christians in lebanon and are occupying lebanon wich they are hezbolla.
Tell us why jordan kicked those low lifes from jordan.
Now tell us why they use there kids and human shields and blow them selfs up tell us hypocrite were is the human rights for the child abuse and women rights and gay rights in palistine huh???
Debanjan,
Clean up in aisle 7.
robert,buddy,put down the bong for a few minutes.what country in the world would tolerate shelling from its neighbor no matter how primitive the devices? what do you propose:the jews fight with one arm behind their back because to make the fight with hamas more fair? as for civilian casualties,it is well know that hamas fights amongst and behind women and children in the hopes civilians are injured or killed.this tactic is guaranteed to generate the outcry from liberal media and the united nations against israel.if the palestinians are tired of civilian casualties,i suggest that take the necessary steps to keep their land from serving as a launch pad for rockets aimed at israel by booting the groups launching the ordinance out. civilians die in war,particularly when an an opposing force hides behind them. lets be honest here. if you lived on the mexico border and you lost your family to a rocket fired from mexico,you would not be the least bit concerned if our nation used f-16s or uavs to eliminate the threat not to mention get even for your loss.but when it comes to israel responding to the same set of circumstances,it is an abuse of power in your eyes. pick up the bong again so you don't choke on your hypocrisy
Putin,
You moron.
When you are dealing with Islam ...
The enemy of you and your enemy,
IS STILL YOUR ENEMY.
World war coming.
robert,one other thing: when has israel threatened the annililation of another country with weapons of mass destruction? your right,they haven't.but the goat herders in iran do so regularily.how is our providing uavs or f-16s to israel comparable to the russian giving assistence to iran which will hasten the day when iran gets the bomb?
hill 300,
It is you, I fear, that needs to put the bong down.
You are totally misunderstanding Robert's polemic.
Putin is your typical Russian authoritarian type who is never to be trusted, though one might have to deal with him from time to time. Always remember that the Russians are a brave people with a great intellectual and artistic legacy but they're absolute dopes where freedom is concerned. It is their great character flaw and Putin is demonstrative of this.
As for hill 300 and Debanjan Banerjee, they've both missed virtually everything but in entirely different ways. Quite amusing actually because Spencer can't win one way or the other betwen these two turkeys. Just goes to show that a certain percentage of mankind will rarely, if ever, get things straight.
hill 300 wrote:
robert,buddy,put down the bong for a few minutes.what country in the world would tolerate shelling from its neighbor no matter how primitive the devices...
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hill, you mistook the vicious assertions of poster Debanjan Banerjee for those of Robert Spencer—probably because he began his diatribe with
"@Robert"
This is online shorthand for *responding to*. Banerjee was *responding to* Robert Spencer's views—albeit in an ugly and meretricious manner.
Mr. Spencer very much believes that Israel has the right to defend herself against those that are not "seeking a state", but who want to see her utterly destroyed. And he fully acknowledges that Israel *never* targets "Palestinian" civilians.
hill 300, I suggest you read back through the archives to get a better sense of what Jihad Watch is all about. It is an extremely valuable tool in the fight against Jihad.
Don't let the pro-Jihad comments of posters like Debanjan Banerjee put you off. They are usually promptly challenged by other posters here.
smellington: if you have finished your polemic,why don't address the substance of our views . our weapons are not used to intentionally slaughter noncombatants. they are used ,as indeed you would expect them to be used if your family was subject to rocket attacks. if,on the other hand,you believe anyone may kill or injure your loved ones under because of perceived victim hood,your reply makes sense. but i know that is not how you feel.as you tuck yourself into bed tonight,you should remember the words of george orwell:"we sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm" i think the people of israel are aware of this.you,on the other hand ,expect the protection but cannot bring yourself to acknowledge the comfort it gives you.i do not want civilians killed under any circumstances.but civilians die when combatants launch strikes from their midst in spite of the best efforts of professional soldiers to avoid harming civilians as they try to get at those whose tried and true tactic is to hide amongst them. to adopt your language,a certain percentage of mankind will,rarely, if ever get this reality straight and invariably,they have never been shot at by anyone or shot at anyone in the confused terrifying environment of combat. you should try it some time.it would enhance your insight into my observations.
gravenimage: thank you for the help. my remarks were indeed directed to banerjee's remarks.i read jihad watch all the time and fully support spencer.banerjee,my remarks are directed to you and your sickening hypocrisy.thank you for helping me out. and banerjee,if you want to reduce civilian casualties,tell your people to be civilians
and wellington,i owe you an apology
"I know that the lives of innocent Palestinians does not matter to you as much the lives of Israelis."
What a lie.
Aim your contemptible comments at your Arab brethren, debanjan, for they are the ones that do not care about their own. Arabs will USE and abuse Palestinians in an attempt to further their agenda. You're attacking the wrong enemy, meathead, so grow a brain and target the real one.
Always knew Putin was nothing but a thug.
'advanced weapon systems like F-16'
Debanjan, that system is not so advanced anymore. During the First Intifada when it was, those 'innocent Palestinians' came up with a response for it. Calling suicide attacks the "F-16" of the Palestinian people.
No problem. Glad to know we're on the same side.
Now "Little Stalin" (Putin) is spitting in our face, and we can count on more of the same. Thank you, Barack HUSSEIN Obama. When you kiss the rings of your enemies, abandon your friends and refuse to face-up to real threats, people start smelling blood on the water.
Not just an historical accident, this man is a national disgrace and an international laughing-stock...
Debanjan,
I agree,
Most people who post here always apply double standards.It's of course Israel that is the invader, the Israelis are continually stealing land from the defenceless Palestinians,naturally the Palestinians object and retaliate.However brutalized and diminished,they have survived,which is of course very inconvenient for Israel and very annoying for armchair Zionists around the world.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2006/09/the-force-of-reason-against-jihad-ideology.html
From that article:
"a common thread runs through some of Oriana Fallaci’s 1970s interviews with world leaders:
'Golda Meir: “I think the war in the Middle East will go on for many, many years....
'Because of the indifference with which the Arab leaders send their people off to die, because of the low estimate in which they hold human life, because of the inability of the Arab people to rebel and say ‘enough.’”
'What was the cause of that indifference, that low estimate and that inability?
- Yasir Arafat: “No! We don’t want peace. We want war, victory. Peace for us means the destruction of Israel and nothing else.”
'Whence his unwillingness to negotiate or compromise?
- Zulfikar Ali Bhutto: “[Muslims and Hindus] are not brothers. We never have been.... We’ve never arrived at a harmonious relationship.”
'Why not?
'By her own account in her new book, "The Force of Reason", it was years before Fallaci herself discovered the answer to these questions.
'She explains that George Habash, the Marxist leader of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, explained it to her in 1972, but she did not grasp the full import of his words.
“Our revolution is a part of the world revolution. It is not confined to the reconquest of Palestine,” Habash told her, *but he wasn’t spouting Marxist dogma* {my emphasis - dda}.
“*Palestinians are part of the Arab nation* {my emphasis - dda},” he continued.
“Therefore, the entire Arab nation must go to war against Europe and America. It must unleash a war against the West. And it will. America and Europe don’t know that we Arabs are just at the beginning of the beginning. That the best is yet to come. That from now on there will be no peace for the West ... To advance step by step. Decade after decade. Determined, stubborn, patient. This is our strategy. *A strategy that we shall expand throughout the whole planet* {my emphasis - dda}.”
'In The Force of Reason, Fallaci chronicles how fantastically successful that strategy has been—so successful that before this century is out the Mediterranean Sea could become an Islamic lake, with countries on the Northern side joining those of the South in the global Islamic umma.
'She writes with verve and passion about short-sighted Europeans who are more concerned about violating multiculturalist sensibilities than fighting for their own survival—and who decline even to acknowledge that what they are in is indeed a fight for their survival.
'"The Force of Reason" reads as an explanatory postscript to the remarks of those leaders of the 1970s.
'Why did the Arab leaders value life so cheaply, as Meir noted?
'Because of the Islamic notion that Paradise awaits those who “kill and are killed” for Allah (Koran 9:111).
'Why did Arafat reject all hope for peace and call openly for Israel’s destruction (at least in the days before he learned how far he could go by dissembling on this point)?
'*Because of the Islamic idea that infidels must not rule in any land that has once been ruled by Muslims* {my emphasis - dda; and that is why Muslim irredentism envisages the reconquest, not only of Israel but of Spain and of India, and the reduction not only of Jews but of western Christians and secularists, and of Hindus, to the status of subhumans, near-slaves, with the Muslim boot firmly stamping down upon their faces}.
'Why did Bhutto dismiss any possibility of Hindus’ and Muslims’ living in peace with as much finality as Arafat did when speaking of Israelis and Arabs?
'*Because of that same jihad ideology that has no place for Muslims and non-Muslims to live together in peace on an indefinite basis as equals*
{my emphasis - dda}
END QUOTE.
And THAT last sentence explains why the much-ballyhooed 'two-state solution' to the Arab Muslim war on the Jews of Israel, is a snare and a delusion, just as the partition of India into Hindu-majority India, Muslim Pakistan and Muslim Bangladesh, was also a snare and a delusion, for it did not end and could not end the Jihad that the Muslims continue to wage against India both from within and from without.