Reps write to Obama: "We therefore ask that the Administration undertake all such actions it deems necessary to protect the Iraqi Christian community"

Even evangelist, Jesus-saved-me Bush would not lift a finger to protect the poor Christians of Iraq, remnants of the Assyrians and Babylonians. worst yet, the hundreds of thousands of un-vetted Iraqi refugees that his military commanders shipped over here were Muslims indistinguishable from those killing Americans. The Christians were refused refugee status by the dumb or pro-Muslims his administration put in charge. In short, the Christians of Iraq were wiped out by the great US of A. If I still believed in a higher power, I would have hoped that Bush ends in the lowest circle of hell for what he done to the US (thank you for Obama Bushie you P.O.S.), the American military and the poor Christians of Iraq.

I have been busy gathering notes for an upcomming book. One of my side interests has been in wondering where Muhams get their war plans. I have noticed some similarities in Sun Tzu's The Art of War. I have also stumbled upon Sura 59 which deals with driving people of the book from their homes and consuming the loot and booty. Muhams have used terror tactics to drive non-Muhams from their homes for a long time and currently all over the world. It is definitely time to start reversing this worldwide trend by returning these parasites to isolation while intensifying the deprogramming of muhammaden's suicidal/homicidal cult of war.

59:2 It was He that drove the unbelievers among the People of the Book out of their dwellings into the first exile. You did not think that they would go; and they, for their part, fancied that their strongholds would protect them from Allah. But Allah’s scourge fell upon them whence they did not expect it, casting such terror into their hearts that their dwellings were destroyed by their own hands as well as by the faithful. Learn from their examples, you that have eyes.
Had Allah not decreed exile for them, He would have surely punished them in this world. But in the world to come the Fire shall be their scourge because they have set themselves against Allah and His apostle, and he that sets himself against Allah should know that Allah is stern in retribution.
It was Allah who gave you leave to cut down or spare their palm trees, so that He might humiliate the evildoers. As for those spoils of theirs, which Allah has assigned to his apostle, you spurred neither horse nor camel to capture them: but Allah gives His apostles authority over whom He will. Allah has power over all things.
The spoils taken from the town-dwellers and assigned by Allah to His apostle shall belong to Allah, to the Apostle and his kinsfolk, to orphans, to the poor and to the traveler in need; they shall not become the property of the rich among you. Whatever the Apostle gives you, accept it; and whatever he forbids you, forbear from it. Have fear of Allah; Allah is stern in retribution.
A share of the spoils shall also fall to the poor among the muhajirin who have been driven from their homes and their possessions, who seek Allah’s grace and bounty and who help Allah and His apostle. These are the true believers.
The men who stayed in their own city and embraced the Faith before them love those who have sought refuge with them; they do not covet what they are given, but rather prize them above themselves, though they are in want. Those that preserve themselves from their own greed shall surely prosper.
Those that came after them say: ‘Forgive us, Lord, and forgive our brothers who embraced the Faith before us. Do not put in our hearts any malice towards the faithful. Lord, You are compassionate and merciful.’
Have you not considered the hypocrites? They say to their fellow unbelievers among the People of the Book: ‘If they drive you out, we will go with you. We will never obey any one who seeks to harm you. If you are attacked, we will certainly help you.’
Allah bears witness that they are lying. If they are driven out they will not go with them, nor, if they are attacked, will they help them. Indeed, if they do go to their help, they will turn their backs in flight in flight and leave them in the lurch.
Their dread of you is more intense in their hearts than their fear of Allah: so devoid are they of understanding.
They will never fight against you in a body except in fortified cities and from behind walls. Great is their valor among themselves; you think of them as on band, yet their hearts are divided. They are surely lacking in judgment.

That is a letter that all members of Congress should be clamoring to sign. And if they are not, their constituents should ask them why not.

Good Luck with that!

Since Hussein is not a Christian, he won't care. Hussein cares only about Muslims. I believe that's clear to everyone now.

Oh, and to the first poster - bug off, and Hussein sucks.

Careful with that 'forced into prostitution' line, mate, even if true. It was Saddam's favourite justification for invading Kuwait...

Hi all Jihad watchers ,

I guess that most of the US christians do not even know that there are Christians who pre-date Islam are present in the middle east.

Another point , I believe most of the US evangelists do not even consider Chistian people in the rest of the world , as proper Christians worthy of notice.

Another important point , I think Philip Jenkins mentioned that in the beginning of 20-th Century the percentage of Cristian popuation among the overall Western population was about 30-35 % if not more.

Now at the beginning of 21-st century that number stands at less than 5%.

I wonder whether this was the time when West lost faith in the Christian God and just wanted to move on.

Only four congressmen signed the letter.

Elrond to Gandalf:
"I was there the day the strength of Men failed."

"Ethnography and ecclesiastical history are generally considered examples of "useless" knowledge to the very, very, very practical lawyers, professional administrators, and occasional technicians and businesspeople who run America."
-- from "Kepha" above

The study of history, and of geography, have both fallen out of the curriculum. And those who are so busy-busy-busy climbing the greasy careerist pole, often "well-degreed" (meaning they have degrees from schools whose very names are supposed to impress, and you are not to inquire too deeply into whether or not the recipients of those degrees have actually been properly educated in the things that most matter) are well represented in those who in Washington, in both dismal administrations -- that of Bush and that of Obama - are "taking a leadership role."

Bush famously did not know of the difference between Sunni and Shi'a Muslims, nor why it might matter. Paul Wolfowitz, according to Richard Pipes (in an interview he gave to the Boston Globe a half-dozen years ago), may have been a brilliant weapons-systems analyst (I'm not sure if the word "brilliant" should apply to such a skill), but he did not understand the importance of "culture" -- by which Pipes (Richard not Daniel) meant that men were not the same the whole world over, that such things as Islam mattered, while Wolfowitz, who was much taken with Ahmad Chalabi, and also learned so much, or so he thought, from his Arab divorcee girlfriend, who of course was eager to inveigle the Americans into invading Iraq and "bringing freedom" to "ordinary moms and dads" (as Bush promised), for like so many Arabs in exile, she recognized that nothing could happen without outside intervention, but she was not willing to recognize that, in the end, what held the Arabs back was Islam itself -- this is a subject she became angrily defensive about (as when she attended a lecture by Andrew Bostom in Washington and became visibly furious at what, for sensible non-Muslims, were his unremarkable remarks on Islam).

If education is misunderstood as vocational training, if students in every test show greater and greater ignorance, if some of those students then go to, say, Harvard and Yale Law Schools, or the Woodrow Wilson or Fletcher Schools, and are well-satisfied with themselves, and then go off to Capitol Hill, or to the Old Executive Office Building, or the Pentagon, or the C.I.A., or anywhere in official Washington, and slowly or rapidly rise through the ranks, still not educated, nor having acquired the habit of reading and study comme il faut, then what do you expect? This is what you get -- in any and all administrations. Folly. Squandering. Idiotic policies, where everyone thinks what one another thinks.

Hugh,

Couple of trends have been taking place since Iraq war.

1. The minorities in the Muslim world are suddenly getting lesser and lesser in numbers. No one in the West is talking about them now a days.The only thing Bush and his neo-cons probably achieved in Iraq was the complete annihilation of the country's minorities.

2. The people in the western world are getting more and more familiar about Islam.Before Iraq War people in the US hardly knew or cared about Islam now a days everyone is talking about Islam. The number of Muslims on the other hand in the West is increasing also.

I would love to know your views about the above mentioned points.

The Bush Administration should have figured out, well in advance, what the removal of Saddam Hussein was likely to mean. It meant, for the Christians, the rise of those they call "the turbans." The "turbans" are the Shi'a Arabs -- not Shi'a Arabs like Iyad Allawi or Ahmad Chalabi, that is secular Shi'a, but the real Shi'a, the ones who weep at Muharram. Many Christians got used to the idea that Saddam Hussein t, since he was most worried about those who were his most powerful enemies, the Shi'a, was also their protector. And he was. He could trust him. They were his drivers, his household wait-staff, his cleaners, hus praegustatores. The same staff was inherited, by the way, by the powerful Americans who replaced Saddam -- same Christians, hoping that somehow the Americans would understand, without too much public prodding, their plight. But neither the American government, nor the military men, paid much attention to the fearful condition of the Christians and they still don't, some out of ignorance, some out of inattention, some out of fear of offending the Muslims -- a crazy fear, at least during the six years when American military ruled the Iraqi roost, and could have armed the Christians, moved them into northern enclaves, and for that matter, agreed to station troops to permanently defend them.

Of course all Christians are, in Muslim-dominated lands, not the powerful enemies of anyone, but instead lie low, being careful to echo the usual Muslim line on Israel and America (the "Palestinian" islamochristians continue to do the work of the Muslims, while abroad, Copts and Assyrians and Maronites, aware of their own non-Arab identity, feel much freer to tell the truth about Islam and cease to parrot the Arab Muslim line that, back in the Middle East, they felt compelled to). The Christians run perpetually scared, just like Hindus and Sikhs in Pakistan do, and as Hindus and Buddhists do in Bangladesh. They just hope not to attract Muslim attention, because Muslim attention always spells trouble.

Yes, first all the Jews left the Arab lands at the time of the pogroms that in the late 1940s, as a reaction to the establishment of Israel, became even more widespread and ferocious than the usual attacks that the Jews had always suffered from intermittently -- not to mention the miserable treatment they received almost everywhere save in a few places where the sustained presence of a European power had allowed them to prosper (as in Baghdad in the 1920s, or Cairo and Alexandria in the same period and still later). Now it appears to be the turn of the Christians. It was pusillanimous of the French not to stand by the Maronites and help preserve Lebanon as a place where the Christians could continue to withstand the forces of Islam, and the French behavior did not help France in any way. It's unbelievable to think that just fifty years ago Lebanon's claim on the world was embodied in the person of that great man Charles Malik (Greek Orthodox by birth, but Maronite in his understanding of things); now the most famous Lebanese is Nasrallah. What a falling-off there was.

It is the duty of Maronites, Copts, Assyrians, Chaldeans in the West to enlighten Westerners as to how non-Muslims suffer under Islam. They need to discover, however, their own history, and it is best captured in "The Dhimmi" and in "The Decline of Eastern Christianity Under Islam" -- both by Bat Ye'or.

They need to make sure that the countries to which they flee, in North America and Western Europe and Australia and New Zealand, do not in turn succumb to too powerful a Muslim presence, dangerous as that is for all non-Muslims, and forever.

The ignorance of the Bush Adminitration was that merely of foolish and arrogant people who had the craziest schemes, and even though just before this election all kinds of people are busily declaring that "I was wrong, the Iraq venture was a success after all" I haven't any idea what they are talking about. It is not a success from the viewpoint of American, and Infidel, interests. It will only be a success when the Americans pull out completely, as I devoutly hope they will, and allow the country to become what Muslim countries naturally become, because of the way that most people will, having been raised on Islam, tend to behave: with aggression, violence, and an unwillingness to compromise. Victor and Vanquished are the two categories known. Yes, I know that there are extraordinary people in Iraq, such as Mithal al-Alusi, and if there were ten thousand such people it would be enough to control a country of 27 million. But there aren't ten thousand. There may be twenty, or fifty. And I know that the "secular Shi'a" candidates, whose "secular" nature signals that they understand the retrograde nature of Islam but cannot speak openly about it -- no Ataturks here -- are far better than the other kind, but again, it's a question of numbers. Most people, everywhere, are primitive, so one wants the ruling ideology to be decent or semi-decent, and not to stunt moral and mental growth. Islam does that.

As to your second point - yes, people are now much more concerned with what Islam actually teaches, and they are becoming impatient with the clear nonsense that their leaders feed them. They can read the Qur'an, Hadith, and Sira. They can read the books of Wafa Sultan, Nonie Darwish, Ibn Warraq, Ali Sina, Magdi Allam, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, and others. They can find out how non-Muslims -- Christians, Jews, Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, Confucians, Baha'i, freethinkers of every level of doubt, are treated in societies where Islam dominates and Muslims rule. The news may be deliberately downplayed by the media, and not given nearly the attention it deserves, but it just keeps coming and coming. It is the actions and the words of Muslims themselves, and not of anyone else, that is forcing the world's non-Muslims to do the kind of investigation not only of the texts and tenets of Islam, but of all the wiles and guiles by which Muslims attempt to continue to fool or distract the unwary Infidels; it's not working as it once did. There are just too many people finding out, reading, thinking for themselves, and becoming disgusted, on this point, both here and in Europe, with those who, presuming to instruct and protect others, show that they have a very imperfect understanding of Islam, are not paying attention to the history of Islamic conquest and subjugation of non-Muslims, and are squandering resources on cockamamie schemes to separate the "moderates" (a shape-shifting, mostly useless and certainly dangerous term) Muslims (and again and again being disappointed and surprised by the real views, and deep hostility toward Infidels, of those "moderates") from the "violent extremists" - a term that is as ridiculous as all the other such terms designed to avoid talking about the ideology of Islam. But the ideology of Islam must be talked about, whether or not Bush, a sentimentalist about anything called, sloppily, a "religion," and Obama, a naif about Islam, but one who is not quite a neutral naif, a naif whose instincts on this matter are completely, hideously wrong, and he has allowed some very dangerous people to be part of his Administration, people who in their taking the side of Islam know exactly what they are doing.

have_mercy, another thing I notice is that the plight of the Christians get airplay only when it can be used to bash GWB. It seems that the only ones in power who care about the Assyrians are the Pope, that Lady in the House of Lords and an Anglican bishop.

Hugh,

Thank you very much for your answers.

But some more concerns should be raised here.

If you look at the West in last century , the appeal of Christianity and Judaism seems to be lessening day in and day out. This includes both US and Europe.

Sometimes when I take a look at the policies of the west towards the Christian minorities in places like Iraq sometimes I wonder whether the West really cares about these people or not.

Has the West passed the stage when it used to be concerned about the plight of the Christians worldwide ?

When I look at the modern Western world it reminds me about the situation of the roman empire when Constantine was baptized.

Is US going to be the Constantine and Islam is going to be the latest of ideologies influencing the West , like it's predecessors in Judaism and Christianity ?

Hugh,

Thank you very much for your answers.

But some more concerns should be raised here.

If you look at the West in last century , the appeal of Christianity and Judaism seems to be lessening day in and day out. This includes both US and Europe.

Sometimes when I take a look at the policies of the west towards the Christian minorities in places like Iraq sometimes I wonder whether the West really cares about these people or not.

Has the West passed the stage when it used to be concerned about the plight of the Christians worldwide ?

When I look at the modern Western world it reminds me about the situation of the roman empire when Constantine was baptized.

Is US going to be the Constantine and Islam is going to be the latest of ideologies influencing the West , like it's predecessors in Judaism and Christianity ?

Kindly answer me Hugh. I am really concerned.

Hugh,

Thank you very much for your answers.

But some more concerns should be raised here.

If you look at the West in last century , the appeal of Christianity and Judaism seems to be lessening day in and day out. This includes both US and Europe.

Sometimes when I take a look at the policies of the west towards the Christian minorities in places like Iraq sometimes I wonder whether the West really cares about these people or not.

Has the West passed the stage when it used to be concerned about the plight of the Christians worldwide ?

When I look at the modern Western world it reminds me about the situation of the roman empire when Constantine was baptized.

Is US going to be the Constantine and Islam is going to be the latest of ideologies influencing the West , like it's predecessors in Judaism and Christianity ?

Kindly answer me Hugh. I am really concerned.